Why do people take drugs chronically for hair loss when they may be able to reverse it while also improving their health systemically via energy metabolism optimization?
Hair shows how fit your body is on an energetic level, seriously.
>The signaling of energy abundance (body fat, insulin sensitivity, thyroid hormone, adequate protein, individualized meeting of carbohydrate needs, good management of psychosocial stress, supporting neuroendocrine signaling with copper, vitamin C, zinc, and glycine, and supporting thyroid function with iodine and selenium). >The biochemical infrastructure of energy production (all the B vitamins, iron, copper, sulfur, magnesium, potassium, and managing genetic idiosyncrasies impacting energy metabolism). >Antioxidant protection (protein, vitamin C, vitamin E, zinc, copper, selenium, iron, and manganese).
Quote from Chris Masterjohn.
This man developed male-pattern baldness (MPB) because he didn't have enough fatty acids to support hair growth. Solving the problem systemically would've been much better because you not only support hair function, you support the function of every part that needs those fatty acids. Suboptimal energy metabolism certainly has something to do with MPB and hair loss in general at least in some cases. This doesn't mean *scalp* DHT isn't involved, it certainly is, hence why drugs that reduce it there *can* work.
> dogshit case study from india
Why do you guys latch onto shit like this? Indians produce volumes of garbage research that will never replicate > Suboptimal energy metabolism certainly has something to do with MPB and hair loss in general at least in some case
This is one of those things where you think you're saying something profoundly revelatory but you're actually saying nothing.
Yes, there deranged energy metabolism is probably involved with MPB, just as it is with any other disease, including cancer. It does not however follow that you can fix it by eating a certain way, such as increasing fatty acids in the diet. Im getting the feeling you're a Ray Peat follower, and if that's the case ill just take this opportunity to remind you that Haidut is both fat AND bald despite all his drugs, all his diet proscriptions and all the cherry picking research. Danny Roddy has never produced evidence of even just one client reversing their hair loss, despite allegedly helping hundreds of people over the years.
>Indians produce volumes of garbage research that will never replicate
The point of that n=1 single study is to show in a clear way HOW energy metabolism is involved in MPB. The man partially and significantly reversed his MPB using lard, that's undeniable, and it's also true that treatment won't work except for a very tiny portion of men. >but you're actually saying nothing.
I mean, in a sense that's true but in the sense that practically all laymen and even the vast majority of pertinent experts aren't aware of how incredibly important it is, I'm not. >It does not however follow that you can fix it by eating a certain way, such as increasing fatty acids in the diet.
You absolutely can fix it and by that I mean improve it good enough, which can be done efficiently via addressing the weakest link(s) in the system. This is why in the case of grey hair, pantothenic acid in *some* leads to reversal. Now, in that man's case, that does not mean that consuming the necessary fatty acids will necessarily solve the problem systemically, addressing the root cause of the impairment definitely will but that could be because of dozens of reasons. >Im getting the feeling you're a Ray Peat follower
No, all I know about him is he thought there's no essential fatty acid requirement, which is dumb.
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>that's undeniable
Guess again
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Okay, I took it too far; I should've said that's evident.
Lack of blood flow is indeed involved but I don't see how hats can restrict it, not even helmets, considering blood can flow through the soles of our feet even though they're constantly supporting us. Minoxidil works, or at least it's possible that it does, because of blood flow improvement.
My hairline is starting to recede and I have a lot of grey hair but I'm not taking any drug to counter it. I will just shave my head when it gets worse.
Why even take hair loss medications when cutting out estrogens, lowering cortisol, and stopping rubbing your head with solvents and acids will stop hair loss for 90% of men.
Why do people even?
I don’t remember exactly but I remember RU58841 having pretty serious side effects.
cus finasteride has 30 years of proven efficacy when ru58841 is a research chemical you're buying gray market and has no long term studies
Why do people post about hair loss on a fitness board?
Why do people take drugs chronically for hair loss when they may be able to reverse it while also improving their health systemically via energy metabolism optimization?
Hair shows how fit your body is on an energetic level, seriously.
>energy metabolism optimization?
Qrd? You mean just eating healthy?
Not just that, it means optimizing:
>The signaling of energy abundance (body fat, insulin sensitivity, thyroid hormone, adequate protein, individualized meeting of carbohydrate needs, good management of psychosocial stress, supporting neuroendocrine signaling with copper, vitamin C, zinc, and glycine, and supporting thyroid function with iodine and selenium).
>The biochemical infrastructure of energy production (all the B vitamins, iron, copper, sulfur, magnesium, potassium, and managing genetic idiosyncrasies impacting energy metabolism).
>Antioxidant protection (protein, vitamin C, vitamin E, zinc, copper, selenium, iron, and manganese).
Quote from Chris Masterjohn.
This man developed male-pattern baldness (MPB) because he didn't have enough fatty acids to support hair growth. Solving the problem systemically would've been much better because you not only support hair function, you support the function of every part that needs those fatty acids. Suboptimal energy metabolism certainly has something to do with MPB and hair loss in general at least in some cases. This doesn't mean *scalp* DHT isn't involved, it certainly is, hence why drugs that reduce it there *can* work.
> dogshit case study from india
Why do you guys latch onto shit like this? Indians produce volumes of garbage research that will never replicate
> Suboptimal energy metabolism certainly has something to do with MPB and hair loss in general at least in some case
This is one of those things where you think you're saying something profoundly revelatory but you're actually saying nothing.
Yes, there deranged energy metabolism is probably involved with MPB, just as it is with any other disease, including cancer. It does not however follow that you can fix it by eating a certain way, such as increasing fatty acids in the diet. Im getting the feeling you're a Ray Peat follower, and if that's the case ill just take this opportunity to remind you that Haidut is both fat AND bald despite all his drugs, all his diet proscriptions and all the cherry picking research. Danny Roddy has never produced evidence of even just one client reversing their hair loss, despite allegedly helping hundreds of people over the years.
>Indians produce volumes of garbage research that will never replicate
The point of that n=1 single study is to show in a clear way HOW energy metabolism is involved in MPB. The man partially and significantly reversed his MPB using lard, that's undeniable, and it's also true that treatment won't work except for a very tiny portion of men.
>but you're actually saying nothing.
I mean, in a sense that's true but in the sense that practically all laymen and even the vast majority of pertinent experts aren't aware of how incredibly important it is, I'm not.
>It does not however follow that you can fix it by eating a certain way, such as increasing fatty acids in the diet.
You absolutely can fix it and by that I mean improve it good enough, which can be done efficiently via addressing the weakest link(s) in the system. This is why in the case of grey hair, pantothenic acid in *some* leads to reversal. Now, in that man's case, that does not mean that consuming the necessary fatty acids will necessarily solve the problem systemically, addressing the root cause of the impairment definitely will but that could be because of dozens of reasons.
>Im getting the feeling you're a Ray Peat follower
No, all I know about him is he thought there's no essential fatty acid requirement, which is dumb.
>that's undeniable
Guess again
Okay, I took it too far; I should've said that's evident.
Poo in loo
ive heard its a blood flow issue too.
from hats
Lack of blood flow is indeed involved but I don't see how hats can restrict it, not even helmets, considering blood can flow through the soles of our feet even though they're constantly supporting us. Minoxidil works, or at least it's possible that it does, because of blood flow improvement.
Do you have hair on the soles of you feet?
Could it be that hair follicles need more blood than skin cells?
Fair enough but I'll counter by saying that people that sleep on their sides don't lose hair there.
its actually only gay people who go bald
hair fitness, yeah you can bench 3pl8 but are your hairs IST?
because finasteride/dutasteride actually work and are cheaper
RU is way more expensive
Just get hair transplant
Why?
>invented by fr*nch
no thanks, I hate them
Fin works for 95% of people. RU58841 isn’t necessary unless you’re on steroids
Why do people take RU-58841 and pyrilutamide when spironolactone exists?
My hairline is starting to recede and I have a lot of grey hair but I'm not taking any drug to counter it. I will just shave my head when it gets worse.
Why even take hair loss medications when cutting out estrogens, lowering cortisol, and stopping rubbing your head with solvents and acids will stop hair loss for 90% of men.