picrel is Zac Efron in Baywatch. He was 5'8 and weighed 170 lbs max during filming. This is a BMI of 25.8 after months of hardcore dieting, exercising, and steroids, which only barely places him over the overweight mark. But people with a BMI of 34 or whatever will unironically say they are not fat, and instead claim they're strong.
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Because he’d still be healthy at 190-200.
He has no muscle and yet already invalidates BMI. Are you moronic or something?
170 lb 11% bf 5’8 is OBJECTIVELY not a lot of muscle. Still used steroids because he’s an actor, not a bodybuilder.
>He has no muscle
post body
I’m bigger + leaner than him. 195 5’11 11% bf. I lift 2/3/4/5, he barely dies 1/2/3/4 for reps. 240mg test a week.
Want another one that’s going to blow your mind? I used to model when I was a DYEL. If I’m real are you going to suck my penis right now?
post body
Dude, stop larping on an anonymous board it's really pathetic.
lol now post your body thats better looking than zac effrons winstrol bod bro
Larping on the internet you da pusi
>I’m bigger + leaner than him. 195 5’11 11% bf
Zac is less than 11% here. Probably 8%
Online sources say he got to 5% but I doubt it was that low.
Post your 11% body because I doubt your leaner than him
Lmfao that's not ottermode.
He's 170lbs, 5'8" and about 8% body fat.
His FFMI is over 24 which is not obtainable naturally
Looking at pictures is not a sufficient test for body fat percentage. You gotta get out those calipers or do one of the other tests to actually find out what it would be.
>His FFMI is over 24 which is not obtainable naturally
>24
The meme is FFMI can't go over 25 naturally. There is no reason to believe that FFMI above 25 necessarily means someone is taking anabolic drugs. It should raise suspicion as it's abnormal. But it's not a sure sign as some people may actually peak at above 25 FFMI.
>FFMI is over 24 which is not obtainable naturally
FFMI is an absolute joke. Observe pic rel:
>5'9"
>283 lbs
>41% body fat (dexa scan)
>FFMI = 25
Try it yourself.
bobby gets hella pussy tho
> 41% bf on the dexa
That's like morbid levels of obesity. Why would you ever want to do this to yourself, wasn't that a wakeup to cut? At that point dangerous fat tissue will cover and start interferring with organ functions.
Unironically he has daddy issues and wants to beat his daddy's max squat. Funny part is his pappy quarter repped at like 220 lbs and he wants to full rep no matter his bodyweight
>His FFMI is over 24 which is not obtainable naturally
Grimek was over 25 in the 1940s. He wasn’t single digit body fat though.
I’m bigger + leaner than you. 205 6'3 3% bf. I lift 3/4/5/6, 320 mg test a week.
Want another one that’s going to blow your mind? I used to frick your mother when I was a DYEL. I’m real she sucked my penis
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post body, lean mean machine.
Daily reminder morons will always talk shit and NEVER post body
>If I’m real are you going to suck my penis right now?
Knowing where we are, yeah he probably would
>170 lb 11% bf 5’8 is OBJECTIVELY not a lot of muscle.
lol. what having a bodybuilding mindset makes u think.
What the frick are you talking about 170lbs at 11% bf and only 5'8 is an absurd amount of lean muscle mass. you beginner morons have literally no idea how small you actually are if you dieted to 10%
> 170 lb 11% bf 5’8 is OBJECTIVELY not a lot of muscle.
This is only better than 99.9% of all the guys out there. That's it.
He's on roids and that's why he can sustain that live of lean muscle mass while being that low body fat.
>In 2022, Efron opened up about his struggles with mental illnesses including insomnia, agoraphobia, and depression.
>He developed insomnia and depression after taking diuretics for a long period to prepare for his role in Baywatch.[58][59]
Actors are roiders
Because some actor doing roids or whatever doesn't change the fact BMI only considers height and weight as a factor which is moronic.
lmao 170 lbs my ass that little niglet is 5ft6 and lean
did he seriously roid for this?
I mean he looks good but not great, he's just ottermode
if I'm going to roid, I wanna look like chris hemsworth
That's more than ottermode u fricking homosexual Brad Pitt in troy is otter Zac is at least enhanced otter
Yes. There's people in your gym roiding that are fat af and look dyel. Simply taking roids doesn't turn you into Hemsworth and there's a genetic factor to it plus it matters what gear you take, doses, training, diet, and many other variables.
FFMI is only relevant at lean weights. Being morbidly obese and having a 25FFMI doesn't mean much as cutting down to 7% bodyfat would leave the FFMI at like 20
So FFMI is designed because BMI is insufficient to address health yet FFMI in inaccurate because BMI overrides it. Such a stupid metric.
Because normies want to compare themselves to bodybuilders and NFL players. Without realizing that both of those types of guys end up having obese health issues such as bodybuilders with sleep apnea
Bad example pic, but...
It's because they don't want to admit that they are failures, and seeing the number so high makes them cope, seethe, mald. What they don't realize is that they DO NOT fall into the exception category of BMI (High Muscle Mass from being incredibly active) and try applying this exception logic onto themselves and everyone as a whole, then claim "BMI DOESN"T WORK!!!!11!1!!1!1"
It works perfectly fine for the average person (95% of people), and in fact, under report fat composition.
tl:dr - Normies are fricking moronic, don't want to be held accountable to a quantifiable number, and think they are the exception when they aren't.
BMI is an accurate indicator of health 100% of the time. It just makes fat powerlifters and roided out freaks seethe
Consider a guy who is a genetic freak reaches their peak at 200 lbs. They're 5'8" and have 12% body fat. Their BMI is 30. The chart considers them to be obese when they're not. Same way it considers people who have 10-15% body fat at 170-199 lbs to be "overweight" even though their body composition is far superior to some who is at 30-40% bodyfat. Pic related is an "overweight" man at 175 lbs. BMI only applies to dyels.
Just say you’re fat dude
You are just low IQ dude if you can't understand why applying an artificial metric like BMI to individuals when it was intended for populations is wrong.
5'8 peaking at 200? Natural? Bruh AthleanX is about 180 at that height and he def roids, you are telling me that someone can put 20 more pounds and stay at 12%bf? Get fricking real, if you are 5'8 200lbs you are either a roider or a fatty, either way it's unhealthy.
BMI is actually a very good metric of how somebody should weight to be healthy, not necessarily "hot" (even though it's actually pretty good at that too).
Whst also matters, which isn't included in BMI, is your bodyfat %. You can have a BMI of 23, but if you don't lift, you'll just look like an average skinny-fat. If you have a BMI of 30 and don't lift, you just look straight up fat.
Height is also factored in, because the taller you are the harder your heart has to work to pump blood to all of your vital organs, which is why being super fat, or having a high BMI, especially for tall people, is very bad.
Here's is the conclusion I have come to:
- A man that wants to be healthy and have a weight and bodyfat % that is maintainable should have a BMI of 23 - 25 and a bodyfat % of 14% - 16%.
- A woman that wants to be healthy and have a weight and bodyfat % that is maintainable should have a BMI of 20 - 22 and have a bodyfat % of 20% - 22%.
This is the ideal and is maintainable for most people if they can manage to go to the gym 4 times a week. I recommend the vast majority of people just do an upper/lower program and do cardio 25 - 30 minutes 4 times a week.
If you want to know what this actually looks like, just use a BMI calculator online, type in a height and weight that falls between 23 - 25 BMI and then look up gym-goers that sane size. It looks very healthy.
For example, a healthy 6'3" man should be 185 - 200 pounds and have a bodyfat % of 14% - 16%. You might think that's "super skinny" but the fact is Americans ate just used to everyone being an unhealthy obese frick, that they don't know what people are actually supposed to look like.
No it's not, and you have that idiotic chud (gay moronic frog posting aside) smugness too. You don't lift and so should have the humility not to comment on such matters.
>ad hominem
Alot of the guys at the gym that used to be competing powerlifters are fricked up. Yes, they were insanely strong, but they were also unhealthy and incredibly overweight. One guy at my gym is 5'8" and was 240 pounds when he benched 415 pounds. My own father was 5'11" 235 and benched 345. Ya, they were strong, but the amount of food they were eating and the amount of weight they were pushing was not good for their body in the long-run.
IST has been brainwashed by celebrities and Instagram roiders about what is actually maintainable, or healthy for the average person.
Even OP's Pic. Ya, Zac Efron is a fricking actor. He can go to the gym 7 days a week, he has a personal trainer, he has a dietician planning his meals and he can sleep 8 - 9 hours a night. Normal people can't do that.
>He can go to the gym 7 days a week
So can you. Turn off the fricking TV/phone/computer.
>he has a personal trainer
There are a legion of free resources for programs based off what you want.
>he has a dietician planning his meals
So? It takes less than an hour to plan out your meals for the week. Even less if you limit your menu to basically the same thing daily.
>and he can sleep 8 - 9 hours a night.
Maybe it’s possible you’re that homosexual who posted some horseshit about working 100 hours a week like it was this major own. But assuming you’re not (you’re not) yes, you can get 8 hours. Refer to the first point.
willing to bet that you’re fat, and that you won’t post body to prove otherwise
not interested in your coping or excuses, i won’t respond to anything other than time-stamped body pic
bye bye now
Not how it works newbie. You want a body post, you go first. “Post body” without posting own is a b***h move. Respond or don’t, or no longer matters. You have proven yourself unworthy, get off my board.
yep, that’s what I thought.
fatty cope from another fatty claiming that BMI is wrong and they’re not fat.
NTA, but here are the scenarios.
>he posts body
He gets called some combination of DYEL, fat and/or a roid troony if he actually has gains. If unlucky some schizo saved it and reposts the picture for a couple of months. You slink back into the shadows of your discord server, and don't post body back.
>he doesn't post body
You say the same things you would have anyway, but minus the other stuff.
There is no incentive on this cesspit of crabs to ever post body in an argument.
If you're going to make a claim that can be fact checked with your body, you should post body.
If I said BMI is bullshit, I'm 30 BMI with an 8 pack, then posting body is the way to prove it.
If someone said, flat bench is garbage I have a huge chest doing incline only, then posting body is the way to prove it.
Too many anons make bullshit claims, without posting body and that is an obvious way to tell when an anon is talking out of their ass
so what you’re saying is that anyone over 25 BMI (and not on steroids) actually is fat. including every single person in this thread over 25 BMI.
i already knew that. that was my point.
number of counter-examples posted so far: 0.
point: made.
if your BMI is over 25, you’re fat.
That was a defence of that you should post body first if you want to go down the chad hominem route. Somehow you both missed this.
You know it doesn't help that you have a notorious fat frick /plg/ anons name as a part of your username
I made a shitpost in that general and forgot to remove the trip, it happens
nta and not any of those posters, but this is me at 23.7 BMI and decently muscular.
i’m in the healthy weight category. if you added the extra 10lbs of fat to get me to a 25 BMI i’d be fat. regular old fat.
now you’re going to post your body at 30 BMI with low bodyfat… right anon? it’s your turn now. we’ll need a timestamp given the extraordinary claim you’re making.
So far we have two dedicated natural lifters with lots of muscle mass.
Both are in the “normal weight” category according to BMI, and would only be able to reach the “overweight” category by getting fatter.
I dunno, seems like BMI works perfectly to me… Still waiting on a single counter-example.
>decently muscular
you just have low delt insertions
>decently muscular
lol, lmao even. fatties get the rope, but if there is any leftover then twinks are next
So far this thread has 106 posts and zero people in the “overweight” or “obese” BMI category why are not fat.
Will you be the first one to post body or can we add you to the list of 105 other delusional fatties coping about BMI.
BMI is used in medicine to determine if a person's weight is healthy or not, if someone claims it's bullshit then the burden of proof is on you, so either post your healthy natty 30 BMI body pic or STFU, tubby.
Not how it works newbie.
Keep saying not how it works but I can smell your dorito fingers from here so it is how it works
Except I’m absolutely correct. That is not how it works. And you are a newbie. And I would shatter your tiny dyel body in a way that would make Bane say “frick dude, calm down!” You are done. You will leave now. Any further response from you is meaningless.
Sorry to burst your bubble, chubsters, but you're fat. Not builtfat of strong fat, just fat.
>someone posts body
>fatty troll claiming to be fit at 30 BMI suddenly disappears
Yep. What a surprise.
Who claimed to be fit at 30 bmi?
See all these delusional fatties:
And I have a suspicion you’re one of them.
No body yet I see. Still don’t get how it works, do you newbie?
right here:
where’s yours?
LOL, LMAO!! You demand a timestamp and then post some rando without?? OHNONONONO!! You definitely do not understand this shit newbie! Get the frick out of here, and I mean NOW!
Well, I don’t know about anyone on your list there, but I’m fat because every time I frick your mom, she makes me a very small sandwich.
Nice argument, now post body.
people really dont understand how much fricking stress it is bulking up to ridiculous weights than squatting ungodly amounts. Do this for over a 15 years and basically you are paralyzed as is the case with me currently. Dont get overweight and don't go crazy in the gym man youll be a cripple and wont be able to enjoy life for the rest of your years.
Sounds about right.
I'm sitting around 25 BMI with 190cm and while it isn't fat or overweight it also shouldn't be more.
>A man that wants to be healthy and have a weight and bodyfat % that is maintainable should have a BMI of 23 - 25 and a bodyfat % of 14% - 16%
That’s super DYEL though. Why can’t someone have a BMI of 23-25 and be 10-12% bodyfat? Is there a reason why it has to be exactly 14-16%?
We are taking health here, he posted an attainable example for an average person, if you want to go harder and get a better natural body that nobody is stopping you.
He should have just said 10-18% then.
Because he's like 7% bodyfat there. At a more normal bodyfat percentage he'd be borderline obese if not obese. That said "months of hardcore exercising and steroids" doesn't do much. It's years. Also, you're unlikely to hit obese bmi territory at a decent bodyfat percentage natty. But yeah BMI is a shit metric. Waist to height ratio is far superior for measuring how fat someone is.
>That said "months of hardcore exercising and steroids" doesn't do much. It's years.
Steroids shorten the timeline which is why most actors take them. You need to have a good base level for it to be optimal, ie. Starting skinny. But it doesn't take years with gear, but you do need to do everything right.
If you gain even 5-10kg of lean tissue, you're now going to BTFO the BMI system at any body fat percentage that isn't very, very lean. A normal 15-20% and you're pushing 30BMI.
I've never seen a single anon who said BMI doesn't work for them, post body, and not be a fat frick
I've seen 3 anons say BMI doesn't work for them, post their fat body, and prove BMI is accurate
yes and you also will unironically call someone that is 16-18% bf fat, because your brain is melted on instagram posters
16 to 18% bf is fat. Wtf? That's the "I can barely see an outline of my abs in the morning under perfect lighting" bodyfat
>16 to 18% bf is fat
Thanks for proving my point. You are objectively wrong, and your usage of the word "fat" is incorrect in every single context outside of professional bodybuilding or athletic performance in sports where any increase in body weight is a detriment.
Not everyone is obsessed with posting angle and lighting frauded photos on social media, they just like lifting.
You won't post body because you don't have a good body. Any body that doesn't have abs is fat. Health at every size is for women. Not for men.
And you'll never post body because this is just a LARP to you. See
and try to give a real response and not just post "haha ur fat" behind anonymity for the 20th time.
I'm not the one trying to discredit something as tried and true as BMI or claiming that 18% bf is somehow not fat.
You're the one making all these illogical claims. If you have this so called miracle body, then you're the one who needs to post body. Not me.
>Posts chart of what is considered a normal body fat percentage from medical literature
>Correctly point out that your body dysmorphia figures are completely out of line with actual definitions
>"You're the one making all these illogical claims"
We are done here. I'm not one of the anons that claimed anything about BMI, or started the usual shit-flinging contest with nothing of substance actually being posted.
You know your chart lists 25% as healthy. So obviously it is not the most credible source on aesthetics.
>You know your chart lists 25% as healthy
Good job displaying that you can't read a simple colour coded chart.
It says anything above 20% is considered overfat for ages 20-39. 25% is the upper limit for ages 60+, which is obviously not relevant for us.
>source on aesthetics
It's not about aesthetics. How many times do I have to point out that
>being too fat in the context of health and performance
is NOT the same as
>being too fat to go on stage in a bodybuilding context or make good photos for your social media accounts
What is difficult about this?
NTA, but I'm 18% bf right now and I know I am fat. This is stupid, testosterone levels as low as 250 are considered in the "healthy range". These ranges don't mean much irl, 15 or below is what is truly healthy, anything above 15 is fat for a male.
For people who go to the gym and eat right, that is fat. If you have a decent amount of muscle mass and self control, 15% is a healthy and easily maintainable level of body fat.
Fatty cope. Most people aren’t too muscular to have accurate results, they’re just fat.
I lift 2/3/4/5 at 29ish bmi.
Big surprise - I look fat and don't have abs. This ain't rocket surgery boys.
>Lean enough to see pec striations
>Still overweight
It's unironically a cope for fat people, nothing more, nothing less.
>Your BMI is 40 you should go on a diet and exercise more to lose weight
>Actually BMI isn't accurate or useful and you need to consider numerous health signifiers to determine obesity
BMI is great for judging normies, but whenever muscle/strength training comes into play it becomes invalidated. Pic related is me during a cut, +- 96 kg at 196 cm, almost considered overweight. I am +- 108 kg at my current bulk and borderline obese according to my BMI
You're not natty so it's all invalid for you, and that's the point. If you're natty. BMI works for you.
But even you will still face obese health issues if you have obese BMI.
I am flattered my anglemaxxing makes you think i am not natty, trust me when i say that when i have a regular longsleeve on during my cuts you would not hink of me as a particulary big guy (except in height ofc)
No you said you weigh 211lbs in that picture so that's why you're frauding
There is a difference in being 25 and 30 BMI even though they are both in the same "overweight" category. 24,9 is "normal", just because your BMI increased by 0,1 doesnt suddenly make it terrible. The scale is fricking huge, there is a crazy difference in being 180cm and 80kg and then 85kg. And even 85kg would put you into 26 while 5kg is an absurd amount of lean muscle mass, border not even possible natty that difference. And its literally impossible to be ~90kg which would still be just in the 27's.
And also, do you even understand what overweight is? Your heart doesnt care if its muscle or fat. Or actually it does, its fricking WORSE if its muscle because that puts even greater stress on your organs than just fat. Bodybuilders are fricking grossly sick and unhealthy because of their size. Sure the steroids are terrible too but its the size that is unhealthy. Just because they have 6% bodyfat doesnt mean that they arent fricking overweight. Overweight = fat. Overweight = overweight. You weigh too much for your body.
It’s interesting that you’re “not obese” at current BMI, but you didn’t post a picture of your current body.
Instead you chose a picture from when your BMI was “normal weight”
Hmm,
I wonder why that is…
I feel fricking disgusted with myself whenever i bulk ofcourse. Youll see me post body again when i dropped down to 100 kg again.
Also post own bod
Also jelly
>dropped down to 100 kg again.
Tf
150 max no way that little fricker weighs 170.... 5'7" 170 is near NFL WR BMI
one hit from a pro bowl linebacker and he wouldnt little turn into pink mist
wes welker 5'9" 185
go back to the playpen zac
>Why do so many normies say BMI never works?
because they're coping.
>But people with a BMI of 34 or whatever will unironically say they are not fat, and instead claim they're strong.
yeah, they're just fat.
if you're not very muscled, a bmi of >25 means you're fat. and even if you're muscular a bmi >30 still means you're fat.
bmi is still not great though, because many people have a bmi between 20-25 and still are unhealthy and have visceral (organ) fat.
A grown man ought to weight 200 lbs.
t. Amerifatty
at the average American height of 5’9, you are LITERALLY obese if you weigh more than 200lbs.