Why do vegans argue that animals don't want to be eaten but when I tell them onion also don't want to be eaten they get butthurt?
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Why do vegans argue that animals don't want to be eaten but when I tell them onion also don't want to be eaten they get butthurt?
Veganism is moronic.
animals clearly have will in a manner that is similar to human, meaning that we can relate to their thinking
whereas plants dont. while they can communicate—the fresh grass clipping smell being a signal to other grasses, etc—the idea of pain or will cannot exist in the same way
also, what is wrong with reducing how much unethical consumption you participate in
It’s not unethical pussy, not an argument.
>not unethical
>rape a cow for milk
>kill something for meat
why do this when you dont have to
Cow breeding isn't rape, and farm animals will die regardless. The goal of life isn't to drag it out as long as possible
>cow breeding isnt rape
let me fist your ass and see if you still feel that way
>Cow breeding isn't rape
I'm hardly a vegan but you clearly don't know how farm animals are bred
Let's say that the standards birds and bees don't quite apply
I'm aware. Still isn't rape.
Humans have more purpose than survival. Typical vegan pilpul
>The goal of life isn't to drag it out as long as possible
Right guess that makes killing humans okay. "the human will die regardless lol" Christ you're stupid.
Ethics is a human concept manufactured by humans. Ants enslave without a care, most predators eat their prey alive and often in the most brutal fashion possible, birds destroy other birds nests and force the birds to raise their babies. Quit using manufactured guilt to explain why it is bad that humans are the best at being violent animals when the natural world is what made us this way.
The Fish and Bird wouldn't think twice about swallowing you whole or pecking you to pieces. If you were a small monkey the Chimpanzees would not think twice about stabbing you with a stick.
Why are either of those things bad.I am Still not finding any arguments in your posts homo.
>what is wrong with reducing how much unethical consumption you participate in
because its a never ending masochistic and virtue signalling death spiral where the end goal is being a breatharian
>le slippery slope
you must have not met many vegans in your life
they are masochistic and virtue signalling morons
and there are levels even to vegans
reducing even the fricking plants you eat because there are ethical plants and unethical plants
they're also almost always antinatalists which is fricking pathethic
>noo dont do anything, nooo dont live, noo dont have children, noooo dont eat that, nooo dont move that rock, noooooo stop existing we are cancer!!!!!
>you must have not met many vegans in your life
brother, im vegan
its simple as
>dont eat animals
>dont eat animal products
thats it
>peppers are spicy ergo dont eat them
take your pills schizo
>peppers are spicy ergo dont eat them
Literally yes?
>has a defence mechanism
>wants to be eaten
pick one homosexual, you can't say you don't want cause harm to things you eat when you clearly eat things that want to stay alive and not be eaten.
if you read the thread, i clearly wrote
unethical consumption
if i wanted to not harm anything ever i would kill myself
>le appeal to tradition
>le le posting
and veganism is literally just
>le appeal to emotion
you homosexual
>veganism is appeal to emotion
>you can live without killing animals is emotional and not factual
???
veganism isnt luxury. do you know how many millions of people lived off of beans and rice for the majority of their lives?
>>you can live without killing animals is emotional and not factual
why would I want to?
you said "kiling" because you are trying to appeal to emotions
like in your earlier posts
how do you eat an animal without killing them, moron
>reduction of unethical consumption is inconsistent
what is the consistent approach to life if im attempting to reduce unethical consumption, other moron?
>how do you eat an animal without killing them, moron
nice deflection moron, keep ignoring my questions
now explain how veganism isn't just
>le appeal to emotion
because you are unable to move past one point, let me help you
here is the full statement, because the transitive process eludes you
statement: you can live a normal life without eating animals.
this is an appeal to emotion, how? that, in order to eat animals, you have to kill them, is somehow an emotional statement, when it is factual. is it more factual to say "butcher," when that is a word used specifically for food? does that mean calling "poultry" "chicken" is an appeal to emotion as well?
doesnt answer my question, what would make it consistent?
for the umpteenth time, the goal is a reduction of unethical consumption. i take the bus as much as i can, i dont kill people, i reuse bags, etc. part of unethical consumption is animal products
>chickens lay eggs for the purpose of your breakfast
statement: you can live a normal life eating animals.
animals are healthy and tasty
what now homosexual?
sure, but you dont have to
because you're a pedant, let me be clear
while some people might say "you must go vegan," i am not saying "you must go vegan"
i am saying that veganism, by and large, trends towards reduction of unethical consumption, and that eating animals is not an ethical action
>but what about plants
yes, back on topic, this is why its about reduction
there can be no ethical consumption in a capitalist society (which all of the world is), ergo, reduction
>sure, but you dont have to
you also dont have to give up meat and animal products
because they are tasty and healthy
let me guess, you still buy sneakers, smarthphones, anything with a battery in it, despite knowing how much human suffering went into it in the 3rd world
how is this any different?
you are actually probably causing a lot more suffering to human beings by being someone who lives in the first world and consumes all the shit people usually do, especially electronics
where is your moral high ground here?
or do you only care about homosexual animals?
>noooo they are toooo hard to give up i...i cant....
>let me guess, you still buy sneakers, smarthphones, anything with a battery in it, despite knowing how much human suffering went into it in the 3rd world
>how is this any different?
did you miss when i said that there is no ethical consumption in a capitalist society? of course i have those things, and i still try to minimize. last computer i bought was used off of fb marketplace
Christ you have such a loser mindset
>Well can't end all suffering so we might as well give up and not do anything
not him, but promoting veganism makes the world actively worse. especially for children and pregnant women.
Not really
Leading health organizations — such as the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, the European Society for Paediatric Gastroenterology, Hepatology, and Nutrition (ESPGHAN), and the NHS in the UK — advise that appropriately planned vegan diets are safe, healthy, and support normal growth and development in children.
Health professionals used to shill cigs as totally harmless as long as you smoke the approved brand and don't do it too much not that long ago. That's not to mention all the other nutritional moronation from the same era like the shit takes about sugar and fat. Nutritional science has NEVER been trustworthy, it's constant flipflopping because we have too many varying factors to establish any reliable causation for entire populations, we just come up with grade school tier correlations and pretend it's good science.
Why would you assume we suddenly figured out nutrition? We can't even explain why a mostly vegetarian population (India) is at a higher risk of cardiovascular diseases and obesity than non-vegetarian populations. We have no actual explanations for the french and israeli paradoxes either, just wild guesses in a desperate attempt to make them fit into what is most likely a flawed model. Nutritional science is fricked.
>ignoring major issues and doing heavily unethical things is alright as long as you compensate by caring about much smaller issues
So child rapists are immune to critique as long as they donate to charity, got it.
>inb4 I literally can't live without [modern piece of technology]
You can, you just don't care enough to give up the convenience. Like meat eaters.
what the hell does the first half of this post mean
Animal agriculture isn't a small issue. Everything you're complaining about applies to animal agriculture as well. Migrant and the poor tend to work in it just like how they do with technology and suffer life lasting psychological damages as a result. Not to mention the disease that spreads like bird flu, mad cow, swine flu. The environmental impact of defrosting to feed livestock. Humans suffer much more as a result of animal agriculture than they do as a result of technology, and even if they don't who gives a frick. Humans can speak for themselves. Animals can't.
>vegan homosexual is also a marxist
HOLY FRICKING KEK
First off, kys commie. Second, maligning an omnivore for eating meat / animal products is ridiculous.
>i am saying that veganism, by and large, trends towards reduction of unethical consumption,
Not really.
A lot of animals eat eggs, not just humans. Even other birds will eat eggs.
>what is the consistent approach to life if im attempting to reduce unethical consumption, other moron?
Doesn't change the fact that if you eat plants that clearly have a defense mechanism like Onions and Peppers then you're still eating something that fights to stay alive and doesn't want to be consumed, homosexual.
>>dont eat animals
>>dont eat animal products
i will because thats what my ancestors ate
veganism is a post modern autistic luxury based on false ethical questions and its unhealthy as frick
>When peppers are consumed by mammals such as humans, capsaicin binds with pain receptors in the mouth and throat, potentially evoking pain via spinal relays to the brainstem and thalamus where heat and discomfort are perceived.[25] However, birds are unable to perceive the hotness and so they can eat some of the hottest peppers.
>if i wanted to not harm anything ever i would kill myself
You ideology is very inconsistent
>animal suffering
>not okay
>plant suffering
>okay
More of a give an inch and they'll take a mile situation. Their goals are clear. The more agreeable people become to eat less meat, the more they'll be cumming in their pants and lobbying to have meat banned outright.
Same shit with gun rights. Plenty of people that don't even own semi-automatic high capacity rifles will argue for it because they know once that's illegal they'll be after shotguns, pistols, etc. until all you can get is fricking BB guns and single shot hunting rifles. So the move is to shut the frick up and eat less meat if you think that's good for the environment, your health, wallet, whatever, but tell homosexual vegans you'll eat as much goddamn meat as you want and they'll have to pry it from your cold dead hands as your official stance. Welcome to American politics.
>whereas plants dont.
>Freshly cut onions often cause a stinging sensation in the eyes of people nearby, and often uncontrollable tears. This is caused by the release of a volatile liquid, syn-propanethial-S-oxide and its aerosol, which stimulates nerves in the eye.[7] This gas is produced by a chain of reactions which serve as a defence mechanism: chopping an onion causes damage to cells which releases enzymes called alliinases.
Don't care the Onion doesn't want to be eaten.
Onion killer.
>the idea of pain or will cannot exist in the same way
That goes the same for eggs or milk and other animal byproducts. Your ethics are fake and based on delusion.
>animals clearly have will in a manner that is similar to human
The inverse applies as well.
A hungry animal would not hesitate to eat me, therefore I do not see why I should hesitate to eat it when I am hungry.
Either animals are like humans, in which case the inverse is also true and same rules apply, or they are not, in which case humans should not care.
I would also eat humans, if given the chance. I'd do it with a full fridge, too.
>animals clearly have will in a manner that is similar to human
They don't have a will. They only behave according to instinct like many humans such as yourself. It has also been a contention among philosophers whether or not humans have a will in the first place. Nietzsche in particular stated that the human mind was a collection of contending wills competing for expression.
>the idea of pain
Not a factor worth considering outside of the fact that it increases adrenaline in the animal's bloodstream which makes their meat tougher and taste bad.
>unethical consumption
Sounds like WEF and communist nonsense.
>>rape a cow for milk
>rape
Rape is how arguably many cases of reproduction occur in nature it was going to happen anyways. However, rape requires sex and artificial insemination (what you're likely referring to) does not involve sex, hence is not rape. When an animal owner wants an animal, say like a horse, to reproduce then they typically use artificial insemination because it is often safer for both the mother and the sire.
>>kill something for meat
Yes. That is the only way to get meat.
>when you dont have to
Meat is a natural part of the human diet and is needed for optimal human health. Moreover it has always been and will always be required for agriculture. Proper agriculture has always been a combination of rotational agriculture involving both pastoralists and plant growers as manure was required to fertilize the fields and the soil had to be periodically restored by running animals on them. The dependence on limited artificial fertilizers is a modern problem and easily fixed by a traditionally oriented agricultural reform while ignoring the modernists and vegan/climate misanthropists.
The push for veganism is entirely motivated by misanthropic hypocrites who hate human beings yet have failed to remove themselves in accordance with their beliefs. If you really want to kys, remove yourself swiftly and don't waste any more time.
I'm sure those pastoralists were very strong till their arteries blocked up with plaque in their 30's.
they wouldnt have coronary artery disease they didnt eat seed oils or industrial trans fats
And eating saturated fat every meal of every day is better?
nearly every food contains some saturated. it doesnt matter
>he still believes a scam from the 60's
Yeah I'm clearly an unwitting shill for the potato industry or something
tremendous bait
eating plants kills way more animals. im being much more ethical eating nothing but beef and eggs
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/130620-circadian-rhythm-cabbage-vegetable-food-crop-science
Fruits and veggies are living beings
This isn't fitness related you fricking moron.
Most plants want you to eat them because seed dispersal is how they reproduce in nature.
fruit not plants
we breed animals because we want to eat more too
>hit car with a baseball bat
>car alarm goes off
>"WOW cars are totally alive and sentient!"
Thats how stupid you sound.
I know it's hard to understand but one is literally an object and the other one a living thing.
A car doesn't die when you don't fill it with gasoline, it just doesn't drive.
Muh central nervous system
You're expecting someone who lacks the b12 for neurological function to understand an argument Anon.
Please just enjoy your life : )
Plants can feel pain. That is a straight up fact.
the ethics hinges on sentience, hence oysters are vegan
>The main argument why oysters are vegan-friendly is that they don’t feel pain since they have a very simple nervous system and no brain. Therefore, it’s believed that they cannot process or feel pain in the same way that other animals can.
Vegans use the same argument to justify eating plants. So it’s viewed as hypocritical when we say oysters and other bivalves are off the table.
Oh no no no no no
>be pepper
>don't wanna be eaten
>evolve capsaicinoids as self defense
Clearly the peppers do not consent.
are carnicucks really this moronic? plants have no brain nor pain receptors unlike animals, and even if they would have those, to feed all the livestock you need 10 lbs of plant matter to produce 1 lbs of meat. So eating plants directly is best.