Why don’t roiders ever think about the negative consequences of their drug use and only think about the positives?
You’ll find within steroid groups talking about anything negative associated with steroids in terms of health issues gets brushed off and beaten down, it’s like the entire steroid community digs their head into the sand and will attack anyone who questions the negative health side effects, so you basically cannot have that conversation with steroid users
Why is it like that? It really does have a lot in common with other drug user communities
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if you're roiding without making money with it in some way you're fricking moronic, period.
the money from being a successful pro athlete or bodybuilder will more than take care of the consequences of steroid abuse. nobody in pro sports of any kind isn't currently roiding - likewise all of them are spending 6 digit figures on bleeding edge sports medicine procedures and training, figures they wouldnt have access to if they weren't professional athletes and thus, roiding.
this is the equivalent of asking why people work at a job they hate til theyre 60 so they can retire wealthy. i don't agree with it at all and no amount of money can buy back your wasted youth but this is simply how most adults view success in life.
That doesn’t answer my question, I get all what you said. I understand professional athletes all take some form of PEDs, but they don’t do bodybuilder shit, and as you said they get paid and can cover health issues, but also many pro athletes die young, but I’d say that’s more so due to pushing their body to extremes all the time, they more so take specific PED for their specific requirement.
But again that’s another topic, here I want to talk about why steroid users when it comes to be negative health effects, sperg the frick out and don’t want to have that discussion.
Everybody knows that cigarettes can cause cancer yet people keep smoking them.
Everybody knows that alcohol is bad for you yet people keep drinking it.
Everybody knows that committing crime has consequences yet criminals still exist.
People will do what they want; i'm sorry you're too moronic to understand that
You missed the point
I am asking why steroid users are incapable of discussing negative health side effects
They dig their head into the sand / sperg out if you ever dare mention it
So steroid user communities bully anyone who tries to discuss it out of their communities so you end up with nobody ever discussing it because everyone is too afraid to get judged / bullied / pushed out of the community
U da pusi
See what I mean. The roider brain malfunctions instantly at health discussion.
Kind of reminds me of when Joe Rogan became completely unhinged at one of his guests that said they don’t think weed is good for you.
Because it's a concession everyone has already made when they decided it was worth it and 99% of the time it's someone who doesn't even understand what they're are talking about. They're just riding some alarmist wave they saw on youtube and can't even discuss dosage related side effects on even 1 specific steroid or if it can be mitigated or replaced entirely. Their stance is always total abstinence because they don't know any other way.
because your just spouting made up bullshit.
Steriod discussion forums are mostly about dealing with side effects:
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/grapefruit-vs-hematocrit.134422296/
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/bloodwork-6-week-into-test-and-primo-low-shgb.134422304/
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hair-loss.134297248/
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hdl-fight.134403216/
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/skin-face-body-always-flush.134421832/
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/trestolone-ment-significantly-increases-my-hematocrit-levels.179215/
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/friends-please-be-careful.179562/
https://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/threads/high-estrogen-on-500mg-test-cyp-using-arimidex.148230/
https://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/threads/sensitive-nips.148355/
anything else you want to run your mouth about natty homosexual?
And the /fraud/ threads here are full of newbs asking about their gyno and hairloss.
And r/steroids is literally nothing but people asking for help with side effects
>And the /fraud/ threads here are full of newbs asking about their gyno and hairloss.
No look, it's like 3 guys trying to defend against the objective claim that 19nors are really bad for you
>And r/steroids is literally nothing but people asking for help with side effects
/r/steroids is so weird, they seem to go in cycles about pushing toxic shit and overcorrecting by saying anything except testosterone is terrible for you. The last time I checked them out, they were freaking out about how all oral steroids weren't worth the risks and that anavar was too dangerous to recommend to anyone.
>No look, it's like 3 guys trying to defend against the objective claim that 19nors are really bad for you
not sure what you're spouting on about but any honest roider will tell you all steroids are objectively bad for you
I'm telling you to look at the current /fraud/ thread lol
50% of the posts are arguing about deca
>roiders talking about a roid in a roid thread
and? no one there is saying deca, or any roid is good for you.
That's a surprisingly good take for such a shit board. But I'd say there's a lot more consequence free PEDs these days that don't need supervision as well. Obviously they're not as potent as the stuff pros are mainlining but in terms of gaining a little size or coming out the other side of a cut with more muscle they're okay.
Let’s be real here the average gym bro is getting bathtub Chinese shit, because it’s the easiest and cheapest way to roid
>b-but I buy off a premium dealer bro!!
Yeah who sells you bathtub Chinese shit at a 10X mark up
Typical natty cope
Testosterone is Testosterone there's no lacing type behavior like with heroin or cocaine and shit u fricking homosexual
kek typical israelite cope
>testosterone is testosterone
lmao
tell that to armstrong who was mainlining 13yr old boy blood into his body daily. he was bush league. ur tv shows kek at you during blood transfusions. paid donors huh imagine being as dumb as u keklmaolololol just get gear bruh iz not laced iz all the same liquid
ur fkn broke bruh
I don't know what the typical gymbro is taking anymore besides contextual use of tren/dbol but even that is dropping off in popularity.
To be honest over the past say 5 years or so there was a big explosion in the recognition of roids and the more widespread understanding of what they actually do. Lots of normalisation on mainstream YouTube channels etc. People used to be clueless but now on normie sites anytime someone roids the comments are exclusively about that like it takes a genius to spot it. There was a big boom of zoomoids going off on sarms and some on gear and I think we are just at the point some years down the line where people are growing up and realising you can have some moronic god body, but you still look stupid with a little zoomer peanut head on top of it. the people that fell in the trap are now starting to see consequence for it. It seems from my perspective that young people went through a short cultural stint where roiding seemed like a good idea and it's kind of dropping off
Have you tried pinning short esthers all the time for out of competition testing? If you get tested out of comp I'd say natty is better. The benefit you get out of them would be minor while the effort to dose correctly and pin all the time is huge. And even then you'd fail a proper bloodtest for anabolics.
Most athletes don't require anabolics though, but amphetamines for endurance are highly sought after. They also don't require long term treatments after taking which any anabolic does do. Crashing your hormone spiral is very negative for sports performance so you need to know you can pass the test either while on them or when coming down from them and having non detectable levels through the tu/e test.
Afaik just test only increases estrogen and fricks with free test data and all that shit but barely noticeably. And that depends on how your body responds to it anyways.
You can refuse the out of comp test up to three times, and thats assuming wada even knows where you are. You can just go somewhere off the grid and never be tested.
I am convinced that health and life span is directly related to high muscle mass image is a israeli meme
which is why roidtrannies keep dropping dead in 30s lmao
It's pretty scary when you actually engage in long talks with roiders about this. They basically boil it down to 'well, life is over at 28 anyway, so I may as well do it!'.
They really do not understand how short youth is and how the bulk of their life is going to be in a time period where they are suffering the consequences of their drug abuse.
I honestly think it increases vitality unless you're using the crazy shit in high ass doses that will get you north of 300lbs rather lean.
>It's pretty scary when you actually engage in long talks with roiders about this.
you never talked to a roider about roids tho.
Why would a roider waste his time talking about steriods to a dipshit natty dyel?
Natties will never look impressive
roiding a moderate amount of test and a light anabolic at 40+ makes sense, but roids arnt worth losing your hair and aging 2x as fast
it's called addiction anon, you dont sit around with other heroin addicts or potheads and talk about how bad drugs are for you
Roid user here. Most of us are well aware of the risks associated with use. Few take measurements to keep health in check, I'm not one of them.
Honestly I know I'm paying a price, nothing in life comes for free but it's been a good ride so far. If it happens it happens, no reason to keep beating a dead horse over the negative facts. Plenty of people tell you that if you absolutely want to abuse steroids stay on lower doses and avoid the really harmful substances.
>Honestly I know I'm paying a price, nothing in life comes for free but it's been a good ride so far. If it happens it happens, no reason to keep beating a dead horse over the negative facts.
why does every roider shave their forearm hair? Looks so weird
He has dysmorphia
I’ve been on 500mg Test-E for 2 years and I’m upfront with everyone that it’s a bad idea to get on.
>why did you start?
Peer pressure got to me when my best mate/training partner from day one started using test-E. Obviously, I didn't want to feel left out, so I got on it too. This was during COVID when all the gyms were closed, so I thought I could preserve my gains that way too.
I was 22 y/o and could already hit 1/2/3/4 for reps natty, and I thought it could help me book more acting/modelling work with my agency so there was a financial gain to be had.
>what about your health?
I'm not interested in trying other compounds other than Test-E, as the added side effects aren't worth it in my eyes. I don't get any sides from Test-E, and I've never needed an AI either. But even with all of that considered, it's still really bad for your body/brain health especially if you’re young. It’s probably just as bad as being an alcoholic but at least I get compliments and sometimes paid for my body being on gear.
I actually met my current GF (of 3 years) because of my physique. She’s a sculptor and we met because I was her model lol
This is my plan aswell, just stay on 500mg test E and cruise at 150 while cutting.
Really happy to see people on here being honest and open about their drug use experiences. Shame that because so many morons on IST will curse you guys out that the community suffers because of the lack of transparency.
Everyone would benefit if we all actually sat down and had a conversation about this shit.
Here's my theory - It's like pornography. Nobody on steroids has a "good background". In most cases, and I mean 95%+, it's usually due to a combination of - peer pressure/conformity, poor self image, lack of values (I myself have considered doping because I have been down bad to the point where I'd absolutely have sold my soul for a quick gain), lack of judgement regarding long term consequences, and lack of self-preservation. The other 5% is due to performance enhancing effects. I believe most pro athletes are on some sort of juice, but they're on dosages specifically designed to max performance in their sport, rather than just bodybuild.
However, this doesn't mean we should fricking beat users down. Some roiders will hop off and be fine. Others will die young. And everything in-between. The best case scenario - we fricking talk and have an open discussion about it. That way there's more information available and the people who DO choose to hop on have more info to go off off, and those who don't would have been persuaded by better information.
That's a really good idea actually. I don't have personal experience using, but as a start, we could also collect people who famously roid/roided.
Schwarzenegger and Hulk Hogan still alive and kicking, but people like Zyzz, Randy Savage and Piana died pretty young.
Other than that, are there any studies worth shit, both supporting / opposing use?
Arnold had a shit ton of surgeries on his cardiovascular system and knees.
In general, people who roid in the usa live longer. But that's because of them doing sports and because how inhealthy the rest of population is. Roided inbicile who eats clean will be healthier than some landwhale who eats goyslop and smokes.
But the healthiest are the ones who do sports in moderation and don't cope with their psychological issues and insecurities by roiding
>Arnold had a shit ton of surgeries on his cardiovascular system
He literally has a genetic heart condition that killed his mom and grandmother in their 60s. This isn't a Zyzz style cope
All the dead ones used party drugs like coke which is terrible for your heart, it actually causes similar growth in the heart and disfunction. You can tell a roider on heart scans because the bypass ratio of their heart valve is fricked which is likely permanent.
But most of the deaths are party drugs or diaretic related really. The gamble is will you survive for another 20 years when we have new drugs and treatments. Possibly even robotic hearts which would mean you could roid basically indefinitly. The best predictor is likely if you get gyno/ acne on cycle you have shit genetics
I agree. I mean arnold and vince mcmahon is on roids and still kicking
>Schwarzenegger and Hulk Hogan still alive and kicking, but people like Zyzz, Randy Savage and Piana died pretty young.
Zyzz and Piana were taking a lot of shit they shouldn't have. Roiding is fine but going bodybuilder mode is just plain stupid. Randy Savage more likely died from the wrestling lifestyle as opposed to roids itself.
Zyzz is a case study in what not to do
>roiding as a teenager
>doing multiple blasts in quick succession (no time for the body to even start recovering before going back into the wringer)
>took large doses of deca/tren
>took clen the entire time (gotta stay lean brah)
>did party drugs 24/7
>didn't do cardio
>etc.
he took DNP which is most likely what killed him. There was a message board post with his username asking about it before he was famous and people were telling him it was a dumb idea. He was saying he "wanted to push the limits".
>She’s a sculptor and we met because I was her model lol
that's fricking sick
the egoist in me would want a marble statue of myself in my best form
>I’ve been on 500mg Test-E for 2 years
This is so dumb. You'd be making both better gains and putting less strain on your body if you did blasts (20 weeks 500 test) and cruises (20 weeks 125-150 test)
Of course I cruise on a lower dose, i’m not constantly blasting the whole time.
Ok never mind then, I assumed that you were permablasting.
People say to wait until 25 when the frontal lobe is done developing but a college senior/new grad shouldn't be a big deal and it's not like you're taking tren so it shouldn't affect your brain much at all.
TL;DR:
You're fine, the only serious risk is that your natural testosterone production might be impacted in the future.
I’ve been lifting at the same gym since the 2000s. I see guys now in their 40s and 50s who roided in their 20s and 30s and they all look super defeated. They were huge roiders back when I was first staring in 2005 and seeing them now 20 years later, I’ve gained slowly over time and kept all my size, but the roiders have all shrunken down to literally to state of DYEL, they never learned how to train/eat naturally and they were likely forced off roids due to health issues, so they just look like shit now. Their hormones being all over the place are probably what’s causing them to be so sloppy looking and incapable of even having decent natural gains.
Kind is sad tbh. But I’m glad I stayed natural, 20 years almost and I still look as good as my peak shape, it’s rare that roided guys can do that because life forces them off the steroids eventually and as I said they never learned how to make gains naturally / hormone issues after coming off long term gear use fries their body and ability to succeed naturally
larp
You ever look at the old people on trt it doesn't seem to make them weaker.
Just stay away from cardiotoxic/neurotoxic/etc. steroids and use a sensible dose.
Golden Age bodybuilders were on less than 500mg of gear and didn't take stuff like tren and they're still kicking
let them do drugs if they want to.
stop peeping into others problems
Name one downside and do it without sounding like you’re crying
>crying
Roid rage
:'(
Dying early
Earlier than what?
Thank you for proving my point
And also small balls
There's zero negative consequences of my past 2 cycles of just testosterone.
newbies usually don't think about side effects due majority of them being moronic and starting to learn about it after 2nd or 3rd cycle or just by straight up quitting due to fricking chest pain lol
Because some people legitimately have lower natural test and have trouble building muscle.
There are no side effects with responsible steroid use. This is the fact that naturals literally shit their pants and refuse to acknowledge.
Being overweight is more harmful to your health than using 200mg of test, being lean, and doing cardio
The same exact arguments can be made for cigarettes, alcohol, and driving fast. The truth? The bell curve meme with the idiot and the genius having the same opinion (that steroid use can be responsible/safe) applies 100% here. The midwit at the middle of the bell curve believes what OP thinks. There is no logical or objective reason to not use steroids if it improves your quality of life significantly, and does not negatively affect your health.
200mg test a week, or any “enhanced TRT” is what 70% of guys are doing. It IS “steroids”. The true reality is that 80 IQ apes are the ones who push so hard for the OPs argument. No different that luddites who refuse to accept the automobile, penicillin, or the airplane. Deep down their objectives are moral and emotional based. Tell a natural that moderate doses have no negative health effects and watch them shrivel in discomfort
But is the 200 boost worth never being able to come off without hormonal changes?
Is it worth driving a car if you have to fill up your gas tank?
Is it worth flying in an airplane if you have to carry luggage?
Is it worth driving an expensive car if maintenance is high?
Is it worth owning a large home if property taxes are high?
Is it worth having babies if you have to clean their shit for years?
Is it worth getting married if you have to maintain the relationship?
Is it worth getting a mortgage if it means you have to work the rest of your life?
Do you know how moronic you sound now?
If any of that was supposed to be a convincing analogy maybe roiders really are moronic
The analogy is that every modern innovation or technology requires some form of maintenance, regiment, or ritual. Using a needle once a week for more muscle, less fat, higher libido, better mood, more energy, and a longer active live is no different.
I can’t believe I had to actually explain that. Naturals once again prove they are literally 84 IQ subhumans. In future replies I’ll make sure to keep my vocabulary under a 10th grade level
So many words. You could have just said I believe external enhancement is acceptable and a logical choice in todays society. I wasnt even criticizing it was just a question. If we were to use you analogy about a car. If I ran out of gas my car would be useless. I think I would rather not have my body on similar terms. At the same time, I have considered it. The upkeep sounds annoying. Like what if I lose access to the ability to administer?
How do the people who genuinely care about you and love you feel about you roiding? Your mom, your siblings, if you have a good relationship. Did you ever talk to them about it, and what did they say? Honest question.
Steroid use also forms more vascular pathways in the body, in other words, more veins. The more you have, the harder work for the heart to do a full circulation of blood around the body, and these pathways newly created will remain forever.
If you are making it your job, and are turning over mass income, sure, why not.
If you're some nobody who does it to "mogg" others, you're pretty much the village idiot.
Of course just like the image it enlarges all muscles, including the heart.
Steroid users clearly have body dysphoria though, their mental state makes them ignore all this. They are the other side of the coin to the 500lbs obese, who are unable to stop wheat they're doing to their body.
Why do natty homosexuals care so much about roids? Are you a pure healthy man? No caffeine, no weed,no nicotine, no alcohol, no goyslop food. I'm betting my shrinked balls you're not.
Life is short, I want to get the body I want before I die or be old with regrets.
A natty will never get the body they want or will take them at least 10 years for a mid body.
Life is short, live life as you want. Let others do what they want.
>Why do normal people care so much about having drug addicts around?
Well we aren't going anywhere, better get used to it, dyel normie.
You natty Black folk are the biggest copium inhalers I've ever seen, you judge roiders everyday, but you're trying every way to increase your babby test levels
>muh shitty indian herbs tongkat ali, fodagia, ashwangdha
>muh no fap to increase test
>muh boron, muh zinc
Anything to avoid pinnin real test
Body dismorphia is a horrible precursor for this
If you see a roidgay just give a pssive aggressive and sarcastic "small arms my guy"
And you will see how shitty they start feeling
Much like fentanyl being in all street drugs steroids being bad for you at moderate doses is a lie perpetrated by the government.
>It really does have a lot in common with other drug user communities
Because it´s a drug and its users are drug addicts. People think all steroids do is get you jacked, but no; testosterone has a mind-altering effect. People feel great while on it, and getting off means feeling like garbage for months until your test levels get back to baseline (if they even do at all).
I don`t understand why even ask this question when drug addiction and rampant self-indulgence is rampant in our society. People are weak, have unfulfilling lives, and look for any escape that takes the least effort.
>testosterone has a mind-altering effect. People feel great while on it,
no it doesnt
I've run 1000mg/week and doesnt feel like anything. Just high blood pressure and huge gainz
>getting off means feeling like garbage for months until your test levels get back to baseline
although this part can be true
because the negatives are overblown to shit just like every drug.
>don’t smoke weed it’ll make you stupid
>don’t do heroin/meth you’ll get addicted after one try
>don’t do cocaine you’ll end up with a hole in your nose
>don’t do steroids it’ll make your heart explode
>don’t do psychedelics you’ll go crazy
you fricking zoomer gays need to frick off. this board used to be pro gear until you fricking Black folk showed up
>>don’t do heroin/meth you’ll get addicted after one try
why would you do poorgay drugs ever
heroin is popular in rich people circles
99% of rich people aren't doing heroin, the only non-homeless people doing heroin are washed up hollywood/rock stars doing speedballs and dying
99% of rich people aren’t even doing drugs. Calling any drug below another because it costs less is fricking moronic. People still do heroin. You’re just strengthening my argument that drugs are perceived as overly negative
>99% of rich people aren’t even doing drugs.
Completely false. I can tell you're not upper class
you can just say you get all your drug knowledge from media. it’s ok
pretty much the case for normies and steroids
>rich people don’t do drugs
Are you joking? Lmao. Hahahahahah…
Yeah a lot of rich people are coke using degens. Doesnt mean theyre happy.
>don’t smoke weed it’ll make you stupid
but it does
>don’t do heroin/meth you’ll get addicted after one try
yeah o.k. not rue, but come on bro, thats just posion if your to pussy to end your waste of a life but to inapt to turn it over
>don’t do cocaine you’ll end up with a hole in your nose
never heard that one
>don’t do steroids it’ll make your heart explode
and it also makes your dick go limp
>don’t do psychedelics you’ll go crazy
if you are inclined torwards mental illnes it can happen, google the mk ultra project for further detail
Why does the picture stop at the waist?
also I can't find pic-rel video anymore. Is it gone forever?
I think heroin was a rich people thing back in the 90s?
If you are rich you can hire a specialist and essentially take the drugs fairly safely. Safe enough to live a normal life span. Otherwise you really shouldn't mess around with the stuff.