Why has Cole moved away from promoting fasting? He is only pushing weird fad diets like keto, and OMAD now, when fasting is the way better protocol for fat loss.
Why has Cole moved away from promoting fasting?
Why has Cole moved away from promoting fasting? He is only pushing weird fad diets like keto, and OMAD now, when fasting is the way better protocol for fat loss.
Omad is fasting
23 hour fasting is not fasting.
It’s a form of fasting dumb cuck
For weight loss purposes yeah you get insulin sensitivity and growth hormone. You don't get autophagy or stem cell shit though
Holy shit, why the frick would you want autophagy unless you were literally dying of cancer?
Longevity and general health? It's hormesis Black person
You literally get the same amount of autophagy eating at a calorie deficit as you do fasting as long as weekly calories consumed match up.
Fasting is a meme.
Patently untrue. You have no idea what autophagy is?
You're a fricking moron. I love fasting and think it has lots of benefits but you are a total mouthbreathing fricktard for thinking that you can modulate ubiquitous cellular processes like autophagy by...not eating.
It's bullshit. You cannot change autophagy with fasting. The people who think they've read literature that indicates this don't know how to interpret scientific literature, do not know about biostatistics, and definitely do not know what the H-Index the authors of the "Fasting for Autophagy" literature have
I love fasting, but as someone who works in drug discovery, you have to be fricking moronic to think autophagy can be modulated
Nobody cares what a pharma israelite thinks, mate
While autophagy is an on-going process. Fasting for more than 72 hours increases the rate of autophagy but as the other anon said so does doing a calorie deficit and so does exercise. Actually, obese people have a higher rate of baseline autophagy compared to healthy weight people.
>I’ll just lie
You’re an idiot. Autophagy is increased during fasting because your body is forced to recycle old tissues to repair itself. When you eat your body has no reason to recycle old parts. That’s why people accumulate glycated proteins in their brain, but can remove them with fasting.
> I'll just lie
LOL Fasting schizos/grifters like you have no problem lying about all the supposed benefits of fasting.
> When you eat your body has no reason to recycle old parts
No. So you're either ignorant or lying. I think it's the former. Since fasting schizos tend to just lie a lot and believe in spiritual woo woo bullshit.
No one has done that because it is extremely hard. There is this 39 year old boomer IIRC on IST who lost 100+ lbs in 3 months doing OMAD with unlimited refeeds and walking 15,000 steps. I have done a month of back to back 72s with walking and I can tell you from experience you eventually just become worn out and rebound hard.
One hour of 50 to 60 percent vo2 max cardio induces as big an increase in autophagy as fasting 72 hours. Fasting 36 hours before that cardio did not reduce the amount that autophagy increased from cardio. They are entirely separated levers when it comes to autophagy outcomes, and both of them are useful. Fasting seems like it should be part of a long term health plan but used sparingly. Cardio should be part of everyone's long term health plan and while doing a marathon a day probably won't be good for long term health, only lifting and skipping any cardio will clearly also be worth for health outcomes than including sensible cardio regularly.
*worse
1- OMAD is fasting
2- keto and fasting work in the same way, lowering insulin levels and decreasing insulin resistance.
>23hr fasting is not fasting
>23hr fasting
>not fasting
>fasting is not fasting
lol, okay, true scotsman.
Fasting starts the precise moment your body no longer has access to nutritional energy and must instead rely on internal systems for the majority of its energy. DAT SIMPLE
> Why has Cole moved away from promoting fasting?
Because it's a meme. Prolonged fasts just result in binge eating.
> He is only pushing weird fad diets like keto
Not a fad if it's been around for a long time and has many positive results. It works because you get to eat while losing weight unlike fasting and it keeps your appetite down.
> and OMAD now
An effective tool to limit how often you eat so you eat less overall on the day and speed up weight loss.
> when fasting is the way better protocol for fat loss
Not true. You are moronic.
No it's not. It's time restricted eating. Intermittent fasting just caught on because it has massive grift potential and morons fall for it.
meanwhile, you can drop 100 lbs in 3 months by doing 72/48 hr fasts mixed with refeed days.
>Intermittent fasting just caught on because it has massive grift potential
oh yes the massive grift potential of telling people to not consume anything for a window of time
Hahaha another grifter line. No dickhead, the grifters are selling themselves and their Youtube channels, and of course the supplements and coaching they got on the side.
how does one coach not eating?
lol don't be dense you chud piece of shit
> le pufas are le bad
That's basic b***h Peat lying shit
>That's basic b***h Peat lying shit
And your response to the article I posted
is...?
>weird fad diets
>now
huh boi where to even begin
he has moved from OMAD to 24/7 KETOSIS, because 24/7 ketosis is more consistant for cutting fat rapidly as you eat consistant calories if you stick to 20 / 80 macros.
somebody who only needs to cut 20lb probably doesnt need to do 20 / 80, though they could... where as somebody who needs to lose 50 or 100lbs will get better and more consistant results and wont be prone to relapse if they stick to 20 / 80 ketosis.
i think he also wanted to prove a point that somebody who already has a ton of muscle can cut protein down as low as 100g a day, cut 10-15lbs of fat in like 30 days and lose neglibible muscle mass and rapidly reduce bodyfat percentage from like 15% - 10% very quickly. cole is right, keeping protein sub 20% of calories when cutting seems to be optimal if you dont want to fast at all and get the most effective fat burning without killing performance or reducing calories a significant amount.
all the memes about drinking salty water and piss is basically because you need the sodium/potassium in the water to keep your electrolytes topped up because as your body burns the fat as you are in 24/7 ketosis you dump a ton of water that was stored in the slurry in the fat cells, thus you are going to lose a frickload of salts as the water is flushed and its real bad if you frick that up, so you need to keep the salts high, and let your kidneys do their job of balancing it, if you consume the right amounts.
he hasn’t moved away from fasting, he’s just offering other options for fatties
what should I eat on 20/80? just fry up bacon?
bacon, spam, high fat pork sausages, olives, brazil nuts, spinach, onions, 95% dark chocolate, egg yolks only, double cream, full fart greek yogurt, butter, avocado, olive oil, coconut oil.. just calculate the protein isnt over 20% of the calories by weight, 1g pro = 4 cal, 1g fat = 9 cal, obviously you want trace carbs only, some vegetables you can have but you want ones where the fibre is high, so the carbs are undigested.
you will die within a few months of that diet, pork is insanely unhealthy
Its not really meant to be a long term solution, its just the ideal cutting diet to cut / burn fat very efficiently without losing muscle or actually starving yourself, coles done it before and dropped like 15lb of fat in a month and only lost like 0.5lb of muscle, he did all the dex scans and everything.
seems like the ideal way to drop like that last 5-10% of body fat if you want to lean up without IF/cal deficits. The thing is even if your regular BMR/TDE is like 2500 cals eating higher carbs and higher protein, you can eat like 3000 on 20/80 and still drop weight like a couple of lb a week its crazy. adipose tissue isnt 100% fat, its like a water fat slurry, so when you burn body fat stores you dump the water too, so i suppose instead of every kg of fat being like 9000cal burned, its more like 6000cal because the rest of the weight is water, the lower body fat you are the more concentrated the fat stores i guess.
This is why like 500lb people can lose 30lb in two weeks. The problem with being in deep ketosis as a weightloss/fat cutting strategy is when your body burns your fat stores to make up the cal def, it dumps the water in the fat tissue which flushes your electrolytes with it, so you need to up the salt intake like crazy to stop your electrolytes getting imbalanced.
lmao are you moronic
Pork has some of the highest polyunsaturated fat content of any meat and this is grossly exacerbated by the diets of the vast majority of commercially raised pigs, who are not only fed all manner of rancid grains but eat a ton of plastic as well which will absolutely find its way into their tissues. There's a reason why so many religions and cultures forbid eating pork.
If you're eating meat from anything except ruminants then you're fricking up.
> Pork has some of the highest polyunsaturated fat
Ah okay you're a schizo.
You have no idea what you're talking about because your entire understanding of human health and nutrition is based on the confused ramblings of fad-chasing morons like the guy in OP. But, as always, I'll cast some pearls before you swine.
>Kummerow was best known as an opponent of the use of artificial trans fats in processed foods, carrying out a 50-year campaign for a federal ban on the use of the substance in processed foods. He was one of the pioneers in establishing the connection between trans fats and heart disease, and he helped to cement the inclusion of trans fats into the Nurses' Health Study. He also helped discover that it is oxidized cholesterol, rather than the cholesterol, that causes heart disease.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/health/a-lifelong-fight-against-trans-fat.html
>In the past two years, he has published four papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals, two of them devoted to another major culprit he has singled out as responsible for atherosclerosis, or the hardening of the arteries: an excess of polyunsaturated vegetable oils
>“Cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease, except if it’s oxidized,” Dr. Kummerow said. Oxidation is a chemical process that happens widely in the body, contributing to aging and the development of degenerative and chronic diseases. Dr. Kummerow contends that the high temperatures used in commercial frying cause inherently unstable polyunsaturated oils to oxidize, and that these oxidized fatty acids become a destructive part of LDL particles. Even when not oxidized by frying, basedbean and corn oils can oxidize inside the body.
You're a Ray Peat chud
The information I posted has absolutely no relation to Peat but as I said, pearls before swine.
Oxidation within the body is something that happens mainly with polyunsaturated fats, because they're just that unstable. This is why there are no safe kinds of polyunsaturated fats. Obviously food fried in vegetable oil is going to be terrible for you because the fats have been oxidized by the high temperatures, but some people will cope by claiming that other kinds of polyunsaturated fats are healthy.
Omega-3s are a type of polyunsaturated fat, for instance. But even in the absolute best case scenario where you eat raw salmon immediately after pulling it out of the water, these fats are so unstable that the digestive process itself is sufficient to cause them to oxidize, at which point they're going to be contributing to a wide variety of damaging processes inside the body. All PUFAs are bad.
Fish oil is a massive scam, pure marketing to sell pills to gullible boomers, similar to the shit you hear about olive oil. You won't hear this unless you actually spend time reading research articles yourself, though.
What is the posited flaw in studies which demonstrate benefits to health for fish consumption or fish oil supplements? I'm looking for something that explains the positive outcomes of those studies in light of this notion that all pufas oxidize in digestion, leading to harmful LDL in the blood that increases atherosclerosis (if I am understanding correctly)?
Nutrition studies are not as hard science as supplement companies make them out to be. If you look up the studies that claim positive benefits to omega-3 consumption, you'll find a wide range of flawed or dishonest methodologies.
A common one, which you'll also see in pro-olive oil studies, is comparing omega-3s against the more damaging omega-6s. They will talk about optimal omega 3:6 ratios and show, correctly, that you can see a lot of benefits by skewing this ratio in favor of omega 3. If you trade seed oils for fish oil, you will indeed see positive changes. And they'll leave it at that - eat more fish oil and you'll be healthier! These are the studies that are cited as "evidence" of the benefits of omega-3s. They structure these studies in a way that their product is being compared against something even worse while the truth is that the optimal scenario is not eating either one.
When you stop looking at PUFA ratios and just study what happens when you stop eating them altogether, it turns out that none at all is even better than trading the worst ones for the slightly better ones. But of course, studies like that don't make headlines and they certainly don't get plastered all over the packaging of fish oil pills.
This makes sense to me. What about all the brain function benefits fish oil?
There is a role for some pufa and mufa. Oleic acid, being the primary lipid in olive oil, is actually synthesized by the body. Further, many of the oils in fish are also found in the human brain. Sure the digestive process involves oxidation of some oils but that is not a disordered event. Oxidation of free lipids and triglycerides in the bloodstream is disordered. All fats are metabolized using oxygen but its the accidental oxidation or mass ingestion of already oxidized oils (like super cooked egg yolk) that causes an ulset stomach.majority of diet should be mono or un sauteated fat but sone fish oil will also do you some good.
do cholesterol from an egg for example oxidize in the body? too stupid to undertstand your greentext
nta but the argument for saturated fats being healthy is because the available attachments to the carbon chains of saturated fats are full of hydrogen atoms so oxygen atoms can't attach to the lipid (fat) molecule. This oxidation is what is being argued as harmful. Polyunsaturated fatty acids however are not full of hydrogen atoms and allows other atoms or molecules (free radicals) to attach to the lipid molecule which could eventually cause damage to the body. To answer your question eggs contain saturated fats and not unsaturated fats like sneed oils ect.
I get this basic chemistry
Does anyone say all pufas are bad? How do they square that with the large body of evidence indicating consumption of fish oil is good for long term health and cardiovascular outcomes?
Nucleophilecells will never understand this. Companies legit hydrogenated pufa to make them shelf stable aka rancidify slower aka not oxidize. But if it was that simple then we could eat candle wax and cellulose. Also btw eggs have pufa in them. Why is it liquid at room temp? It isnt just emulsifiers in the yolk my friend.
I read the article and I think I can answer my own question.
If you hold oxidation of LDL constant because of other bad dietary choices and lifestyle choices, replacing the saturated triglycerides with pufas makes the LDL more squishy and slippery. So if you have n particles of LDL stuck to inflamed epithelial cells in arteries, they'll less completely block the lumen because blood pressure can squish it more or it's lower volume to begin with. But kummerow,
Weston price might say eating a much higher proportion of sat fat and much lower proportion of pufas would lead to accumulating far less than n LDL particles on the interior of arteries in the first place. That sound accurate?
> pork is insanely unhealthy
Just stop being a chud for a second and offering your opinion on things you have no idea what you're talking about.
That too but because it's terrible advice and just leads to rebound weight gain and depression.
No. No you would not die in a months on that diet lol
What happens when you don't have enough bile and enzymes to break all this shit down though
Then you become disgusted of the idea of eating and end up eating less. Thats a really underappreciated mechanism for how keto causes weight loss. Usually peope's fat hunger is the lowest, and their disgust upon thinking about eating more is the highest. Coupled with fat being the slowest macro to digest, means if you eat low carb the right way and pig out, you could easily do 36hr fasts. But you would just become physically and mentally taxed over time and either bump up protein or carb as a saving throw.
He was doing 20/80 before you ever heard what keto was. He used to say get that fat in ya instead of stop fricking eating. Plus why the frick do you care? He rotates between a couple of diets that all work and promotes them. Probably in the hopes that people who get benefit will leave and the ones who failed on it will work with the next one he shares. Do what works not what youve done before just for the sake of pride. Oh and try to gain muscle on a 4 day fast moron.
HEY FATTY!
Is this the secret /fast/ thread?
>be alcoholic with AFLD
>don't quit like a moron after pancreatitis scare and other AFLD inflammation syndromes
>finally get the fricking message after I have liver / shoulder pains from drinking a bunch after NFL gameday and eating dogshit pizzas
>stop drinking every day
>started doing 20 hr rolling fasts (so OMAD basically)
>now on my first ever 24 hr+ fast (currently at maybe 36ish hours?)
>went from 193 lbs o 178 lbs over 6 months since i *cut back* on drinking
>but still am overweight for my height at 5'11
>once I QUIT (not just "cut back") drinking two sundays ago and started doing longer, stricter fasts, i went from 178 lbs to 168.5 lbs
>shoulder / ribcage / stomach pains from alcoholic fatty liver disease have died down a lot now that Im on my 36+ hour fast
I'm pretty happy with the results so far, both for liver / pancreas pain issues and also with weight loss.
My whole reason to fast was not because of weight loss but to unfrick and heal my organs from alcohol abuse. But a huge latent outcome of this fasting routine (and quitting alcohol) is that I'm losing weight so fricking quick. I can feel those bones on my waist line coming through. You know, the Adonis V shape lines that cutgays really have.
I still have a bit of a belly from all the alcohol abuse and shit food, so I'm not stopping until I get to 150 lbs.
Did you get blood work done? I'm curious about the effect of fasting on liver enzymes.
>Why has Cole moved away from promoting fasting?
because he realised it's a waste of time for people that are serious about being fit and healthy?
fricking moron
Why did the content creator started to diversify his topics after he milked everything there was to say about a topic?
How many videos do you need about fasting anyway?
Electrolyte powder from GNC is expensive. 30 bucks for 30 servings that aren't really suitable for fasting.
hello, i'm months worth of potassium for a few bucks. combine me with regular salt for your electrolytes.
>He is only pushing weird fad diets
He's doing this because you homosexuals are the women of the fitness space and you only care about what's new and interesting. You need to have a new fad diet every year or two to keep your interest. Don't worry, this time next year you'll all be obsessed with some new moronic bullshit that all your favorite e-celebs are shilling.
Who and why should I care
I'm sure he just wanted to eat normally again. Cico and keto work.
He isn't fasting. He's well-FED
>omad
I eat once a day for years and years. am I the only one. feels natural to me