That was the joke. What is an airport doing building infrastructure that requires cables (unless we're talking electricity, but even then you can have backup generators)?
Anything "life critical" is probably radio operated.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What does that radio originate from
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hopefully not a single fibre line if that's what you're getting at. If you can take down air traffic control by cutting a single cable then something has gone horribly wrong somewhere, either the designers failed to account for that or it's just shear incompetence.
how not? you're not running all those communication and coordination systems over the air in an environment that is already dense with radio signals dedicated to making sure planes know their position to the extent that consumer wifi can constitute a legitimate concern
The communications servers can be run on local intranet. Of course they could just choose not to do that and use Discord for everything like fricking idiots, but that's a decision not a foregone conclusion.
>cuts a bunch of wires >everything depending on them gets wrecked, security, commercial shippings, orders, transactions, web services etc. >billions of dollars lost causing economic turmoil
You won't survive a week without internet, even less without electricity
>security, commercial shippings, orders, transactions
none of this ultimately depends on remote real time confirmations, you couldn't do a lot of damage without cutting A LOT more wires
Ted described this, higher efficiency of complex systems comes with higher fragility. That's because the more components a system is made of, the more vulnerable it is, because each of these parts are vulnerable to a wide range of threats while relying on each others.
Yeah, maybe we should go back to the days when doctors thought draining blood would cure diseases. Ted was a fricking fed stooge and anyone following him is even dumber.
I'm sorry, we have this thing you Europeans might not be familiar with: it's called landmass. sorry if we can't connect every bum frick barn to a nanny state sponsored fiber pole. why don't you ask Australia how easy it is to connect remote places over large distances
OP's story happened in Sacramento. Load up a map of California, I'd like to explain some distances to you since despite it being a decently-sized city and the state capital you probably don't know it exists and how much fricking space we have just in this state alone >Los Angeles is 380 miles (6 hour drive) away on the fastest path and assuming no traffic once you get over the grapevine >San Franciso is 90 miles (1.5 hour drive) away >The Oregon state line is 280 miles (4 hour drive) away >Everything else is sparsely populated farms, forest, mountains, and desert or unpopulated national parks, some of which are larger than a few of your countries
This is one state out of 50. Want to guess how much fiber you'd need to connect anything other than the largest metro areas? I don't. It's a lot. There's a reason it hasn't happened
>hurr durr 'mericca BIG
Shut the frick up. Landmass is not an excuse when government grants paid for fiber installation across the whole country in the fricking 90's, and paid even more since then. The only reason that America has shit infrastructure is because useful idiots like you would rather die on a hill of excuses than ever admit for even a moment that Americans need to take responsibility for their own frick ups.
OP's story happened in Sacramento. Load up a map of California, I'd like to explain some distances to you since despite it being a decently-sized city and the state capital you probably don't know it exists and how much fricking space we have just in this state alone >Los Angeles is 380 miles (6 hour drive) away on the fastest path and assuming no traffic once you get over the grapevine >San Franciso is 90 miles (1.5 hour drive) away >The Oregon state line is 280 miles (4 hour drive) away >Everything else is sparsely populated farms, forest, mountains, and desert or unpopulated national parks, some of which are larger than a few of your countries
This is one state out of 50. Want to guess how much fiber you'd need to connect anything other than the largest metro areas? I don't. It's a lot. There's a reason it hasn't happened
It's about infrastructure. If you're building a railroad or a highway, laying down a fibre cable is basically free bonus. >muh landmass
isn't a sufficient explanation, look at all the highways and roads that were build in the 50s and 60s. The US just lost the ability to build shit like that. Funny anecdote, some French railroad guys went to California to help with some railway project and ended up having their "it's all so tiresome" moment, saying that it was easier to build shit in Africa than this.
>europoor doesn't understand how two things are not the same >starts screeching about americans when this is pointed out
[...] >hurr durr 'mericca BIG
Shut the frick up. Landmass is not an excuse when government grants paid for fiber installation across the whole country in the fricking 90's, and paid even more since then. The only reason that America has shit infrastructure is because useful idiots like you would rather die on a hill of excuses than ever admit for even a moment that Americans need to take responsibility for their own frick ups.
It's about infrastructure. If you're building a railroad or a highway, laying down a fibre cable is basically free bonus. >muh landmass
isn't a sufficient explanation, look at all the highways and roads that were build in the 50s and 60s. The US just lost the ability to build shit like that. Funny anecdote, some French railroad guys went to California to help with some railway project and ended up having their "it's all so tiresome" moment, saying that it was easier to build shit in Africa than this.
America is bigger than your entire continent. There are thousands of kilometers of empty space dotted by tiny towns and farmlands. Explain how and why there would be fiber lines spanning all those thousands of kilometers, and how it would be funded and maintained. You won't, because you can't, because you can't fathom anything more than a dozen kilometers' travel meaning you're in another state.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and how it would be funded
It IS funded. Just the results somehow failed to materialize.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Explain how and why there would be fiber lines spanning all those thousands of kilometers, and how it would be funded
IT WAS ALREADY FUNDED 30 FRICKING YEARS AGO YOU NO BRAIN Black person GORILLA MONKEY
I LITERALLY JUST FRICKING SAID IT WAS
I AM A FRICKING AMERICAN AND GODDAMN moronS LIKE YOU WHO DESPERATELY TRY TO IGNORE REALITY ARE THE REASON I DON'T HAVE FIBER DESPITE THE FACT THAT
IT
HAS
ALREADY
BEEN
PAID
FOR
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Prove it, b***h. Throwing a baby boomer all caps tantrum doesn't mean dick. Saying a thing also doesn't mean dick, on a site full of people who fabricate things in real time to farm reactions.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Linking a post from a few days ago since people don't read and still don't understand why the USA has shit internet
[...]
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
[...] >hurr durr 'mericca BIG
Shut the frick up. Landmass is not an excuse when government grants paid for fiber installation across the whole country in the fricking 90's, and paid even more since then. The only reason that America has shit infrastructure is because useful idiots like you would rather die on a hill of excuses than ever admit for even a moment that Americans need to take responsibility for their own frick ups.
Don't bother. For whatever reason, Americans absolutely refuse to admit that our infrastructure could be a tiny bit better and that there might be the slimmest possibility that other countries do it more efficiently these days. Nope. We have no choice but to let traffic get worse and worse, no choice but to let bridges collapse, no choice but to let powerlines be taken down in storms, no choice but to commute an hour to work and back, no choice at all because we're perfect and no one does anything better than us and we have the ideal system in every way. Improvement is not humanly possible.
t. american who argues with these tards frequently.
Our infrastructure security is still stuck in the high-trust society days. A couple thousand Black folk looking to steal copper wire would bring this country to its knees overnight
In order: >those fancy ovens the Germans came up with about 80 years ago >a repeal of every immigration, citizenship, and voting rights law passed after the year 1800 >a lot of airplanes
There's an ocean between us and Liberia and wherever else they're from. Would you prefer boats instead?
[...] >hurr durr 'mericca BIG
Shut the frick up. Landmass is not an excuse when government grants paid for fiber installation across the whole country in the fricking 90's, and paid even more since then. The only reason that America has shit infrastructure is because useful idiots like you would rather die on a hill of excuses than ever admit for even a moment that Americans need to take responsibility for their own frick ups.
I recently drove from the SF gay area to Eureka and back. 250 miles of hills and old growth redwoods (I can't be fricked to convert this to commie units, do that on your own time). In terms of populated areas, there's Ukiah, which is the big city with a Costco AND WalMart, and a few under-400-population towns. There's nothing else on the entire highway but the trees. Go ahead and tell me how it makes sense to lay fiber there
>Explain how and why there would be fiber lines spanning all those thousands of kilometers, and how it would be funded
IT WAS ALREADY FUNDED 30 FRICKING YEARS AGO YOU NO BRAIN Black person GORILLA MONKEY
I LITERALLY JUST FRICKING SAID IT WAS
I AM A FRICKING AMERICAN AND GODDAMN moronS LIKE YOU WHO DESPERATELY TRY TO IGNORE REALITY ARE THE REASON I DON'T HAVE FIBER DESPITE THE FACT THAT
IT
HAS
ALREADY
BEEN
PAID
FOR
yeah and the utility conglomerates just pocketed the money because nobody actually put enforcable constraints on how it was supposed to be spent. That's called a kickback, not funding a project. Same thing is happening with the high speed rail shit here
>Things that were already paid for shouldn't exist because I say so
Nope, try again. Feel free to directly cite all the government documents that proposed and backed the infrastructure expansion you're claiming "doesn't make sense" and clearly state your counter arguments if you'd like to argue against them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What state are you from and are you familiar with the high speed rail championed by governor Brown? I want to assess your ability to distinguish "we paid for it" from "it makes sense to exist" from "it exists"
>return US back to a high-trust society? >return
We've never even been there, and it is not a question that can be answered by tech but by genociding all current politicians and fixing all the systemic issues all throughout US society, infrastructure, management, and politics.
Shit like this has been long overdue, all it takes is one dude sending a car into a transformer to knock out half the country's electricity, our shit is so fragile and whenever schizos get caught doing it, it gets swept under the rug and forgotten.
fentanyl addicts looking for copper cable to steal and sell for scrap. they open up any telecom cabinet and try to cut any cable they see. sometimes they open up fiber backhaul cabinet and knock out comms for the entire city.
i always wonder how often state actors are performing.. "missions" on behalf of their governments. was this a high-level heist of some sort, government sabotage, or just a crackhead who was instructed to cut the cable by the voices in his head
A rise of one incident? What narrative are you trying to build, pidor?
Because people know it's an easy way to cause problems? Also
1 > 0
So yes, that would be a rise.
>1 > 0
proofs?
chinese sabotage
>import your enemies
>antagonise their homeland
>???
>profit
2 goes before 1
more like a concurrent operation
>be modern industrial complex
>collapse because a kid is running with scissors
luddite bros, we can't stop winning.
>lives of hundreds of people at any given point depend on someone not cutting just one (1) cable and that's le good!
Maybe Ted was right...
pretty sure internet service is not a life-preserving function at an airport
>airport
>communication system
>not life preserving
I'm sure all those planes have a lot of fibre in the sky.
planes have wifi
That was the joke. What is an airport doing building infrastructure that requires cables (unless we're talking electricity, but even then you can have backup generators)?
Anything "life critical" is probably radio operated.
What does that radio originate from
Hopefully not a single fibre line if that's what you're getting at. If you can take down air traffic control by cutting a single cable then something has gone horribly wrong somewhere, either the designers failed to account for that or it's just shear incompetence.
>shear incompetence
Pun intended?
how not? you're not running all those communication and coordination systems over the air in an environment that is already dense with radio signals dedicated to making sure planes know their position to the extent that consumer wifi can constitute a legitimate concern
>you're not running all those communication and coordination systems over the air
afaik that's exactly what happens
t. watched a lot of mentour pilot
The communications servers can be run on local intranet. Of course they could just choose not to do that and use Discord for everything like fricking idiots, but that's a decision not a foregone conclusion.
>cuts a bunch of wires
>everything depending on them gets wrecked, security, commercial shippings, orders, transactions, web services etc.
>billions of dollars lost causing economic turmoil
You won't survive a week without internet, even less without electricity
i would survive, maybe sois like you would die out quickly
but that's natural selection
Ok homeless Black person.
ok bugman
>security, commercial shippings, orders, transactions
none of this ultimately depends on remote real time confirmations, you couldn't do a lot of damage without cutting A LOT more wires
Ted described this, higher efficiency of complex systems comes with higher fragility. That's because the more components a system is made of, the more vulnerable it is, because each of these parts are vulnerable to a wide range of threats while relying on each others.
chuds are never right
You will never be a woman, trooncel
Yeah, maybe we should go back to the days when doctors thought draining blood would cure diseases. Ted was a fricking fed stooge and anyone following him is even dumber.
I'm amazed they have any fibre to cut in the first place. I keep getting told your Internet is shit.
I'm sorry, we have this thing you Europeans might not be familiar with: it's called landmass. sorry if we can't connect every bum frick barn to a nanny state sponsored fiber pole. why don't you ask Australia how easy it is to connect remote places over large distances
>hurr durr 'mericca BIG
Shut the frick up. Landmass is not an excuse when government grants paid for fiber installation across the whole country in the fricking 90's, and paid even more since then. The only reason that America has shit infrastructure is because useful idiots like you would rather die on a hill of excuses than ever admit for even a moment that Americans need to take responsibility for their own frick ups.
RENT FREE
well that shit internet has to get to people somehow
OP's story happened in Sacramento. Load up a map of California, I'd like to explain some distances to you since despite it being a decently-sized city and the state capital you probably don't know it exists and how much fricking space we have just in this state alone
>Los Angeles is 380 miles (6 hour drive) away on the fastest path and assuming no traffic once you get over the grapevine
>San Franciso is 90 miles (1.5 hour drive) away
>The Oregon state line is 280 miles (4 hour drive) away
>Everything else is sparsely populated farms, forest, mountains, and desert or unpopulated national parks, some of which are larger than a few of your countries
This is one state out of 50. Want to guess how much fiber you'd need to connect anything other than the largest metro areas? I don't. It's a lot. There's a reason it hasn't happened
It's about infrastructure. If you're building a railroad or a highway, laying down a fibre cable is basically free bonus.
>muh landmass
isn't a sufficient explanation, look at all the highways and roads that were build in the 50s and 60s. The US just lost the ability to build shit like that. Funny anecdote, some French railroad guys went to California to help with some railway project and ended up having their "it's all so tiresome" moment, saying that it was easier to build shit in Africa than this.
>he thinks flattening terrain and paving asphalt is the same as laying communication wires
Behold , average USian's reading comprehension. No wonder they're struggling to maintain what they have, let alone build anything new.
>europoor doesn't understand how two things are not the same
>starts screeching about americans when this is pointed out
America is bigger than your entire continent. There are thousands of kilometers of empty space dotted by tiny towns and farmlands. Explain how and why there would be fiber lines spanning all those thousands of kilometers, and how it would be funded and maintained. You won't, because you can't, because you can't fathom anything more than a dozen kilometers' travel meaning you're in another state.
>and how it would be funded
It IS funded. Just the results somehow failed to materialize.
>Explain how and why there would be fiber lines spanning all those thousands of kilometers, and how it would be funded
IT WAS ALREADY FUNDED 30 FRICKING YEARS AGO YOU NO BRAIN Black person GORILLA MONKEY
I LITERALLY JUST FRICKING SAID IT WAS
I AM A FRICKING AMERICAN AND GODDAMN moronS LIKE YOU WHO DESPERATELY TRY TO IGNORE REALITY ARE THE REASON I DON'T HAVE FIBER DESPITE THE FACT THAT
IT
HAS
ALREADY
BEEN
PAID
FOR
Prove it, b***h. Throwing a baby boomer all caps tantrum doesn't mean dick. Saying a thing also doesn't mean dick, on a site full of people who fabricate things in real time to farm reactions.
Don't bother. For whatever reason, Americans absolutely refuse to admit that our infrastructure could be a tiny bit better and that there might be the slimmest possibility that other countries do it more efficiently these days. Nope. We have no choice but to let traffic get worse and worse, no choice but to let bridges collapse, no choice but to let powerlines be taken down in storms, no choice but to commute an hour to work and back, no choice at all because we're perfect and no one does anything better than us and we have the ideal system in every way. Improvement is not humanly possible.
t. american who argues with these tards frequently.
lol construction contractors do more cable damage than this OP
Chinese testing how fragile the US's communications and electrical infrastructure is.
Our infrastructure security is still stuck in the high-trust society days. A couple thousand Black folk looking to steal copper wire would bring this country to its knees overnight
What technology can return US back to a high-trust society?
A Holocaust, probably.
548 guillotines
In order:
>those fancy ovens the Germans came up with about 80 years ago
>a repeal of every immigration, citizenship, and voting rights law passed after the year 1800
>a lot of airplanes
what are the airplanes for?
There's an ocean between us and Liberia and wherever else they're from. Would you prefer boats instead?
I recently drove from the SF gay area to Eureka and back. 250 miles of hills and old growth redwoods (I can't be fricked to convert this to commie units, do that on your own time). In terms of populated areas, there's Ukiah, which is the big city with a Costco AND WalMart, and a few under-400-population towns. There's nothing else on the entire highway but the trees. Go ahead and tell me how it makes sense to lay fiber there
yeah and the utility conglomerates just pocketed the money because nobody actually put enforcable constraints on how it was supposed to be spent. That's called a kickback, not funding a project. Same thing is happening with the high speed rail shit here
>Things that were already paid for shouldn't exist because I say so
Nope, try again. Feel free to directly cite all the government documents that proposed and backed the infrastructure expansion you're claiming "doesn't make sense" and clearly state your counter arguments if you'd like to argue against them.
What state are you from and are you familiar with the high speed rail championed by governor Brown? I want to assess your ability to distinguish "we paid for it" from "it makes sense to exist" from "it exists"
>return US back to a high-trust society?
>return
We've never even been there, and it is not a question that can be answered by tech but by genociding all current politicians and fixing all the systemic issues all throughout US society, infrastructure, management, and politics.
because it's funny.
>millions of dollars of airport
VS
>one snippy boi
To catch bitcoins with a net perhaps?
Linking a post from a few days ago since people don't read and still don't understand why the USA has shit internet
Shit like this has been long overdue, all it takes is one dude sending a car into a transformer to knock out half the country's electricity, our shit is so fragile and whenever schizos get caught doing it, it gets swept under the rug and forgotten.
fentanyl addicts looking for copper cable to steal and sell for scrap. they open up any telecom cabinet and try to cut any cable they see. sometimes they open up fiber backhaul cabinet and knock out comms for the entire city.
Crime is like a virus. The more its known, the more its repeated.
>no backup
skill iss- erm, *management issue, the higher ups are clearly incompetent (as usual)
i always wonder how often state actors are performing.. "missions" on behalf of their governments. was this a high-level heist of some sort, government sabotage, or just a crackhead who was instructed to cut the cable by the voices in his head
Literally none of the posts you replied to have reddit typing. You're trying too hard to fit in. Kinda embarrassing.
do you are have stupid?
fricking moronic redditor