Why is escaping the skinnyfat curse natty after age 25 such a nightmare?
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Why is escaping the skinnyfat curse natty after age 25 such a nightmare?
>curse
Are you implying it’s not your fault?
not entirely, no. skinnyfat is also a symptom of bad genetics / being inactive as a kid
*opens fridge* and this is where I store my bad genetics and being inactive as a child
cope however you want, you were previlidged to have paretns who forced you to be active as a kid. nice 2011 meme, btw. much dank
i didn't state that once, it would be cool if you learnt reading comprehension
I'm 31, it's been just fine for me. If anything I'm the healthiest I ever was and I'm basically indistinguishable from someone in their twenties. Come up with a diet and create a meal plan and stick to it, it's the only way to lose weight.
hey now you respect that oldgay! People like him and I were here since back when caturday was a thing and Bill was allowed 2 weiners. I even survived the great chemo bombardment when people kept reposting that photo of the baby being shit on to get newbies to leave... Good times. Except for the baby, I hope it's ok.
Even if your parents didn’t make you do physical activity you can’t keep blaming them for how your physique is now. You’re aware you have a problem and you have the resources and capability to do something about it now
unironically kys
have a nice day, my parents did NOT force me to be active i did that by myself, because i did not like being a fricking fat slob. Stop complaining and blaming others for your fricking mistakes, go and kiss a shotgun.
Active children will crave certain foods and develop gut biomes which are attracted to healthier diets.
Nice body hair big shoots. You look like a 12 year old Dutch girl
I put on almost 20 pounds of fat and become skinnyfat one winter as a kid through both inactivity and eating box after box of yodels. If you exercise enough you can outpace a bad diet but if you sit around and go a few hundred calories over your bmr each day you’ll put on weight, not that complicated.
Yea being inactive as a child is a curse for life what’s your point?
>being inactive as a kid
How would this not be your fault?
helicopter parents/schizo parents obviously
Mostly the latter, very little of the former. If your a couch potato, you’re going to be skinny fat or fat, period.
>As a kid
So what were you doing from the ages 18-25?
Weak mindset, ngmi
it literally can start in the womb when your mom eats slop when pregnant with you and basically lt's like injecting estrogen into you which cause you to have feminine wide hips, bone structure , fat distribution and fricked up genetics and hormones from birth. now add to that modern life style and diet, which most non skinnyfat people can tolerate and not be fat/skinnyfat until they are 28 or something but with skinnyfat people it usually start at birth
sure you can combat it and stuff and look relatively good and healthy so not excusing fatness or say you shouldn't try to be healthier but this is something you will have to fight really hard for the rest of your life, you will always have this underlining condition of fricked up hormones and body that is just there, people who are just skinny or even fat/chubby (not super fat/obese) with some muscle mass don't know how good they have it, having muscle even when fat is like having a shield/protection armor for your body to still be relatively functioning adult, skinnyfats don't have it and usually have alot of other issues with their bodies and gaining muscle and losing fat whether it's with cutting or bulking is extra hard for skinnyfats
You mean Indians?
You can invite a curse upon yourself, it can still be your own fault
it's not, you're just lazy
Because you're a dumbass thinking you can undo a lifetime of bad choices in only a few months.
you absolutely can lmao
>run a suicide cut (2 months)
>now you're just skinny and the world is your oyster
This.
>3 days fast, eat nothing and drink only mineral water (mineral- part is important for electrolytes)
>After that, eat a one kg package of yoghurt (no, not some yoghurt-based substance filled with processed sugar and additives) every day with a multivitamin. Keep the mineral water part. Nothing more, nothing less.
Keep going until your bodyfat is low enough. Simple as.
Why yoghurt?
Not that anon but I'm guessing it's about maintaining as pure protein a diet as you can while still getting high quality. I might try it myself.
diary lowers test tho
I mean, I guess. It's only for a few weeks at most though.
Not the OP but, how stupid/bad idea would it be to only eat:
> breakfast: coffee + some milk
> lunch: chicken legs from Costco
> dinner: oatmeal (some butter, sugar and cinnamon for flavor)
during a 4-6 month cut for mon-fri ? (the lunch or dinner changes on the weekend tho)
I also supplement Zinc+Magnesium and vitamin D3.
Anon... this is just a regular day of eating
I'd put some protein powder in the oatmeal at the very least thought
qrd on suicide cut? looked it up now a crisis response team is on the way to my place.
qrd on this homosexual program? I'm not paying.
>not one body posted itt
hmmm
Cause you're addicted to dopamine. Go spend a year in a monastery, or hiking the Appalachian trail, or some other detox. Or try a hero dose of shrooms and see if you can rewire your brain, if you're willing to take the gamble on not being one of the unlucky few who lose their sanity after trying psychedelics.
Or, you know, just stop eating, and lift the fricking weights.
Just OMAD and workout 5-6 days a week until goal weight. It's not rocket science. Crying genetics is the most loser shit.
You’d have a nice day in a week in my body
Humble yourself
Lmao no shot that's OP. In the case that it is dude you have massive goyslop issues if you have man breasts that bad and look like pear. I find that fasting also helps my soul and resets my dopamine. Only enemy is yourself.
Hello there sugar plum.
Run Meadows' baby groot program. If you're not thrilled with the results, do
and try again.
My brother in christ you need to get tested for Klinefelter's, hop on TRT regardless of the answer, and eat nothing but chicken breast and nutritional supplements for two months.
nta but why do you think he has klines?
he just looks fat af
The wide hips, narrow shoulders, lack of chest hair, and fat distribution. It could simply be an unfortunate bone structure combined with absurdly low testosterone/high estrogen, but if I looked like that I would definitely get tested for it.
>Klinefelter syndrome is a common genetic condition
>common
what the frick
>this fricking cat again
stop posting it
>he doesnt know
this is XXY/ or kliens
don't listen to anyone else itt and just inject trt until you die
You've been posting here for years mate, if you put the same effort into lifting your body would be different. Perfect? Nah, but do you want to be a gay for pay bodybuilder? If that's the case then you have much bigger issues than looking soft.
>posting for years
What? I started posting late december
You are obviously suffering from low T, high E. Look at those hips, breasts, and all the overall proportions and fat distribution. Unironically go to a doctor and see if you can get TRT.
Klinefelter's, ladies and gentlemen.
those aren’t your hips, you fricking homosexual
that is your disgusting fat spilling out in every direction.
sage.
>trying to sage my 150+ thread
have a nice day
this can not be normal you look dysgenic
Proper response. I think immediate reactions to Pearbrah are the new litmus test for whether someone should be taken seriously or dismissed entirely.
>It's not rocket science. Crying genetics is the most loser shit.
it's just the truth and most people on IST acknowledge this truth when talking about other races, IQ differences and Black folk, but for some reason there is nothing to it when talking about skinnyfats? not saying people shouldn't try to improve but it is a very different struggle compared to some skinny person who wants to gain muscle or some fat who wants to lose weight, most people don't understand how fricked skinnyfats are, they need to work twice as hard to get half the results of non-skinnyfats
>they need to work twice as hard to get half the results of non-skinnyfats
Why do they (we) need to work twice as hard? Just cut, then bulk. That's what I'm doing.
Look up set theory. I don't think skinny fat is an actual subset of any race (real separate sets). Its an excuse to blame everything but yourself for not having the will to power. Even if your parents fed you goyslop and you didn't have enough money to play sports clearly you are self aware enough to type that slop out so exert your will to power to overcome and emerge or wither you bum.
I (
) played sports from age 5-18 and have always had the same body composition (skinnyfat). You have to get past the idea that it's a will issue when I likely put more effort into this than anyone else itt.
Lmao you can play a sport and ride the bench, be fat and do well (football golems), be a goalkeeper where you jerk off in one spot the whole time. Just because you played a sport doesn't mean it's a cure all for fitness ineptitude. It's the same as university, you can go to class and be a good goy but if you don't network and abuse social connections / be an opportunist you can flash your perfect grades all you want, still a loser.
nta but whats your point? he replied to anon who said it's just will issue and a result of inactive life style while he refuted it. also most people have inactive lifestyles while they drink and smoke and eat a bunch of shit and they still don't have fricked up bodies like skinnyfats, skinnyfats usually don't do something special compared to most people that cause their fricked up bodies, you are born with feminine hormones, bone structure and high estrogen levels, skinnyfatness is the symptom not the cause or a result of inactive life style, most people drink, smoke, do drugs, eat shit and live inactive life style and still have better bodies than skinnyfats who don't do any of this shit, again, not saying you shouldn't strive for better but the skinnyfatness isn't the result of the just the "simple inactive life style" shit because if that was the case everybody was skinnyfat, it's basically a birth defect and not saying you should give up or try to improve with what you can but people really don't understand the skinnyfat condition. it's like, no bro I don't have hormones, body, bones structure, fat distribution of a women since basically birth because I wasn't gymcelling hard enough since being in my mom's womb, if it was the case then every men would be a skinnyfat
Christ you homosexuals are worse than fat people justifying why they're fat freaks. No you don't have a hormone problem. Do the fricking work and stop making excuses.
You seriously think someone like
doesn't have a hormonal problem? How do you explain the gyno, hips, and feminine fat distribution?
you don't understand he just wasn't gymcelling and counting his macros enough unlike the 99% of the males since the dawn of time
Yeah absolute morons telling that guy just to cut
I ate shitter + barely life’s all my teens and was 95kg fatass, shorter than that PearBoy and still looked a lot better than him
It’s more than just being fat… he has breast tissue and breeding hips
it's literally a genetic defect, not saying you shouldn't try to improve it's just twice harder for half the results, non-skinnyfats just can't relate
source on that research?
Skinnyfat hell = not wanting to give up your 15-inch fatceps in exchange of your love handles.
If it's hell, it's a hell of your own making. You dug your grave, made it your home and now refuse to crawl out of it.
It hurts because it's true, go frick yourself anon
Skinnyfats have 15 inch arms?
not counting manlets
its not youre just getting lazier and fatter.
If women can re-comp, you can too
Why is IST so resistant to hard facts and planning? Post height and weight. Post your estimated body fat percentage. Post your routine. Post your meal plan.
this me (op)
5'11" / 75kg ish,
idk bf%. never measured, rough guess over 25%
Routine: none but i fast and walk a lot
>Routine: none but i fast and walk a lot
you must not be doing it consistently and/or your diet is so terrible that it negates it all.
Either way just search how to get rid of skinnyfat on youtube and completely abide by it. Dont think of it as a diet or temporary thing, accept it as your new lifestyle
>I don't do shit aside from walking, why am I still skinnyfat?
bruh
Skinnyfat is lack of muscle at healthy bmi. The only way to escape it is by working out.
You fricking idiot you aren't even lifting weights and you can't figure out your lack of progress this is the dumbest shit I've ever seen
>hurrr you can only gain muscle with weight lifting!
google calisthnetics you brain dead trogladyte zoomer
Well there we have the problem. As others pointed out you have to build muscle mass for you body composition to improve. If we were to assume that you're currently sitting at 30% you'd have 52,5 kg of lean mass which would mean you'd need to cut to 61 kg to be at 15%.
You should start weight training two to three times a week, up your protein intake to 160g a day (don't forget to drink plenty of water for kidney health) and slowly cut. Your current TDEE is at 2100 calories. Just eat at maintenance, train and walk on the days you're not training. Do that for the first month. Then observe if you're losing weight or not. Weight yourself daily and take the average over the week. This measurement will tell you at what rate you're losing and then you can adjust your daily caloric intake accordingly.
The slower you go the more likely your are to build muscle mass which will improve your body composition and therefore how you look.
On another note you did not talk about your diet. I'd recommend to start cooking for yourself, since it gives you control over how many calories you're eating exactly.
if i done all of this, will it ever be over?
Yes. A kg of fat is about 7700 cal. With a deficit of 500 cal daily you lose a bit less than half a kg per week. So about 2 kg per month.
If you were to cut down to 15% while keeping your current lean mass you would cut down to about 61,5 kg. That's 13,5 kg overall or about 6 months and 23 days.
NTA but since February 3rd I have been very consistent with tracking calories (started tracking macros also some weeks ago), work out + walk at least an hour 5 days a week, casual biking around the city, just overall been very consistent. I'm 185 cm, started around 71 kg, set my TDEE at 2700 calories, aim for 2200 per day. Today I weighed in at 69.5 kg. I feel like I expected to have lost more by this time, but is it realistic muscles makes up for it? My estimated 1RM for bench press is ~78.4 kg if that's any indication.
>20 BMI
>wants to keep cutting
Are you holodomormaxxing? If you look like doodoo it's because you lack muscle, not because of your slight pouch.
Pushing strength goes to shit during a deficit. If that's your actual 1RM (doubt, estimations suck, specially for beginners) you can probably get 3-4 reps on maintenance. I'd strive to hit 80kg x 8 good reps before any serious attempt at cutting. Back equivalent would be 8 quality chinups. For OHP it's 40-45kg x 8. I can't give you a standard for core development since I do calisthenics (isos+leg raises) and those are technique dependant, but spamming abs is important.
At your height, those numbers will give you a body like this
after running a minicut to trim any excessive lower back fat. If you have an unsightly pouch after hitting those lifts @ 70kg, then yes you're lowkey cursed and need to cut down to 12% BF or focus on gymceling and hope the gainz give some shape and tightness to the fat.
t. 188cmgay
I haven't considered my BMI once, I'm mostly interested in a lower body fat. My aim is around 12 % to start with, then go on a slight calorie surplus of ~200 calories as a bulk. I don't think my body looks like doodoo in the mirror, but face fat seems to be the last to go. Especially my chin am I dissatisfied with.
I haven't tried 1RM yet but I bench press 67.5 kg for 6 reps. So far (I started lifting and tracking since start January, but I didn't start weighing myself until February) I've been able to put on weight most sessions, but I do definitely feel like I'm hitting a limit here (bench press specifically), even with ~150 g of proteins every day.
What do you mean unsightly pouch? I look pretty similar to the right except a little less defined + slight pectus + tiny bit more gyno, which I hope disappears at lower BF. Lower part of belly is almost identical.
Do you mean pull-ups instead of chin-ups for back? I'd estimate I could do 6-8, but haven't done them specifically on this program.
>face fat seems to be the last to go. Especially my chin am I dissatisfied with.
That's genetics for you. Some people can get legit shredded and still have chubby cheeks. I look "normal" @ 20% and skelly @ 14% BF.
>What do you mean unsightly pouch?
Flabby, non-flat tummy.
>gyno
Most likey just fat.
If you're unhappy with your face but okay with your body then yeah, losing fat is the only solution.
And no, I meant chinups. Newbies often have shit lat recruitment from poor technique/MMC so chinups or neutral grip are a better metric until their technique catches up.
what would you estimate is your bodyfatpercentage right now?
>set my TDEE at 2700 calories, aim for 2200 per day
Without training your TDEE would be 2100 calories per day. For 2200 cal to be fat loss territoy you would need to work out daily. Do you do that?
>what would you estimate is your bodyfatpercentage right now?
I don't know. Being conservative around 18 %. Sort of picrel on the left.
>For 2200 cal to be fat loss territoy you would need to work out daily. Do you do that?
Yes, at the minimum I do:
Lift weights 5x a week at gym
Walk at least 5 hours a week (to and from gym which is 30 minutes each trip = 1 hour daily).
Then all the auxiliary stuff such as going for a random walk, walk to the grocery store, biking around town to appointments, might do 10 minutes of StairMaster at gym while waiting for equipment, etc.
I put everything I could think of into GPT-4 to have it estimate my TDEE and it's pretty consistently spits out 2700, so that's what I based my TDEE on. That was at ~72 kg, I doubt my BMR is much different at 69.5 kg.
What I find odd is that you have such a bench while just having a kg of lean mass on me (if your estimation of 18% is correct) and I am a skeleton.
Post your full routine please. Including the progression scheme
The 18 % is based on that people seem to underestimate the amount of fat they carry. I don't know if you consider the guy on left to be 18 %, but he's definitely nowhere the 12 % I aim for. Pretend I look like him.
Here is my routine copy/pasted from my spreadsheet from the book "Bigger Leaner Stronger" (you can find the program somewhere online). I go every day Monday–Friday. Everything is 3 sets, the numbers on the right is rep range. I eat 150 g of proteins and ~2200 calories a day on average so am on a cut. I don't care too much about carbs and fat ratio:
Barbell Bench Press 4-6
Incline Barbell Bench Press 4-6
Dumbbell Bench Press 4-6
Cable Triceps Pushdown 6-8
Barbell Deadlift 4-6
One-Arm Dumbbell Row 4-6
Lat Pulldown 6-8
Alternating Dumbbell Curl 6-8
Seated Dumbbell Press 4-6
Dumbbell Side Lateral Raise 6-8
Dumbbell Rear Lateral Raise (Seated) 6-8
Dumbbell Triceps Press 6-8
Barbell Squat 4-6
Leg Curl 6-8
Leg Press 4-6
Dumbbell Lunge 6-8
Close-Grip Bench Press 4-6
Chin-up 4-6
Seated Cable Row (Close Grip) 6-8
Barbell Curl 6-8
Supposed to do it 4-8 weeks, I'll probably do 12 weeks since I enjoy it so far. I think he has other workouts after week 8.
Forgot the progression scheme, but it's literally just increase by 2.5-5 kg whenever I hit the max end of range on all sets. So if I do 6 6 6 reps of bench press, I increase next week.
In the book he says if you hit 6 on the first set, increase it the next set. I don't do that personally because it'll make my spreadsheet needlessly more complicated IMO.
>I enjoy it so far
Good, this is necessary. You just sticking to double progression and not rushing by upping the weight during the second set is also good.
Since you're saying that you lost 1,5kg in those 12 weeks and only lost 1,5 kg I would assume that your TDEE just is not that high and that paired with recomping made your weight loss stall.
I wouldn't stop with what you're doing right now until your progression stalls which will take a while with double progression.
If you are training for the first time ever you might be as you said underestimating how much fat you have and might be making some serious gains right now. Cutting would only make a spooky skeleton out of you.
Do you see changes in the mirror?
>Since you're saying that you lost 1,5kg in those 12 weeks
It was worded a bit badly to simplify. The 1.5 kg is since February 3rd when I bought the weight and weighed myself at 71 kg. I started cutting/lifting back in January but I didn't weigh myself so no idea what my true start weight is since 11 weeks ago, I'd say around 73 kg. So the 1.5 kg net weight loss is 6-7 weeks (with one week being vacation where I gained 0.5 kg).
>If you are training for the first time ever
Not first time ever but I have been extremely inconsistent though. Been hitting it from time to time over the years. Back in 2021 I went full ham with PHUL for the summer for three months and got some compliments on size. Last year I managed to squeeze in ~5 months of workouts spread across the year. Hopefully that gave me some muscle memory.
>Do you see changes in the mirror?
I do which is the most important thing at the end of the day. The weight thing is more of a guidance to figure out calorie intake. It just seems a bit brutal if I have to go down to 2000 from 2200, but maybe is necessary to make it to summer.
>make it to summer
summer is long depending on where you live. Could just try to reach it mid summer.
Stand proud anon. You're making it.
>summer is long depending on where you live
I live in Denmark so we practically have 2 weeks of summer (if lucky) in July. March might be the most depressing month here so glad we're soon out of it.
>Stand proud anon. You're making it.
Thanks brah, I really want to make it this year.
>idk bf%. never measured, rough guess over 25%
What's your waist (at navel) circumference?
6'6, 285 lbs, between 25 and 30% body fat I'd guess, but it's hard to estimate because nearly all of it is in my abdomen.
For the past two years I've eaten almost the exact same thing every day, which comes out to. Prior to those two years, I ate less than this and had the same or worse outcomes:
2140 calories
184.45g protein
168.25g carbs
96.65g fat
This includes zero processed or fast food, and is basically as clean as it can be. Without running through every meal that I eat in a day individually, it's all comprised of Greek yogurt, dates or citrus, eggs, milk, carrots, chicken or beef, and rice or potatoes. This should be less than my BMR demands, let alone my TDEE, yet I've never lost weight, and have actually gained ~25 lbs, mostly around stressful events in my life (which, because my diet is consistent, can't be caused by "stress eating").
Exercise wise, I always follow breakfast with a two mile walk in hilly terrain, then do some kind of HIIT cardio - these two should amount to 45 minutes total. Later in the day I try to do some kind of resistance workout, either with free weights/machines at the gym or more crossfit style at home. Emphasis on "try" because it's kind of a crapshoot how my workouts will go over the span of months. Sometimes, I have a tendency to not make any progress and "crash" when I try to force it day after day. By "crash," I mean that I'll start sleeping poorly, develop brain fog, not recover, become weaker, etc, not just be sore and unmotivated.
Any help is appreciated, because I've been trying to fix this for years and judging by the amount of seemingly visceral fat that I have, it's clearly doing long-term damage to my health. My only lead is that I've been thinking I might need to eat more to fuel better workouts and actually retain muscle mass, which might lead to a better hormone profile and have a kind of cascading effect.
Too many calories and too few and half assed exercises. No wonder youre a pathetic skinnyfat.
Stop b***hing and start putting more effort. Fast for a week at least and walk at least 8 miles a day.
When youre not on a fast, go hard at the gym, doing progessive overload, not your shitty half assed bullshit
You're moronic. 2100 calories is lower than my theoretical BMR should burn, and my overtraining problems would be much worse/often on lower calories. I have tried long term fasts and they led to me losing every ounce of muscle and my hair falling out. I've also walked 10 miles per day long term snd nothing changed. You need to update your programming from "eat less exercise more" because it doesn't make any sense here.
I do all of this and I think it did help, but it alone hasn't brought me over the finish line.
You should theoretically lose weight so something has to be off. Either your tracking is wrong, you're in starvation mode (probably not), or something else. Remember this:
> The nutrition facts label on foods allows for a 20% margin of error.
I don't know your TDEE but 2100 sounds like a too big deficit. Aim for 500 calories instead. Also have a day a week where you eat at maintenance.
I don't know the specific biology behind "starvation mode," but I do have metabolic dysfunction. Whether it was caused by or the cause of undereating, gyno, and lipodystrophy is what I don't know.
>I don't know your TDEE but 2100 sounds like a too big deficit. Aim for 500 calories instead. Also have a day a week where you eat at maintenance.
Like I mentioned at the end of my other post, this is what I'm trying to do now. Any TDEE calculator is seemingly useless if my BMR can get downregulated to under 2100 calories, so it's just a game of trial and error. I'm around 2350 as of this last week, but I'm working toward 2800 long term.
>2100 calories is lower than my theoretical BMR should burn
no it fricking isnt lol clearly. 2100 is way too high for someone trying to lose fat, even if theyre 6'5" basketball player.
Lower it to about 1500.
>and my overtraining problems would be much worse/often on lower calories.
you barely even fricking train. 45 minutes of activity a day is literally sedentary
>I have tried long term fasts and they led to me losing every ounce of muscle and my hair falling out
you already have no muscle, the hair flling one is an excuse. The hair falling from physical stress is temporary too.
>I've also walked 10 miles per day long term snd nothing changed.
How long? 2 weeks? Thats fricking laughable. try months or an year.
Every single one of your excuse is a vague response with zero tracking, meaning zero effort. How many moronic excuses to not put in any effort and whine do you have left?
These are all obese tier responses. Youre never gonna be not skinnyfat. And its not because of your body, its because of your shitty mindset. Youre absolutely a failure in every other aspect of life too.
>no it fricking isnt lol clearly. 2100 is way too high for someone trying to lose fat, even if theyre 6'5" basketball player.
>Lower it to about 1500.
You are mentally moronic ESL (pic rel)
>you barely even fricking train. 45 minutes of activity a day is literally sedentary
Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit - my morning walk and cardio are 45 minutes. My resistance training later in the day is 1-1.5 hours.
>you already have no muscle, the hair flling one is an excuse. The hair falling from physical stress is temporary too.
Being skinnyfat does not mean you have literally zero muscle.
>How long? 2 weeks? Thats fricking laughable. try months or an year.
18 months
>Every single one of your excuse is a vague response with zero tracking, meaning zero effort. How many moronic excuses to not put in any effort and whine do you have left?
I've posted very detailed responses like
a number of times.
>These are all obese tier responses. Youre never gonna be not skinnyfat. And its not because of your body, its because of your shitty mindset. Youre absolutely a failure in every other aspect of life too.
It's funny you'd say that, because my career is why I can't afford to just go on a week long fast or cut to 1500 calories. I imagine not being able to sleep well or think clearly doesn't matter for a turd world janitor like yourself.
>Lmao you can play a sport and ride the bench
>Just because you played a sport doesn't mean it's a cure all for fitness ineptitude
Completely irrelevant. We're not talking about athleticism - we're talking about muscle growth and a lowering of bf% that should accompany diet and exercise. A majority of the work in a sport comes in practice, and if I'm doing the exact same things as my teammates in practice/weight room and not seeing the same results, then something is off.
This homie is literally Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh and would rather type all this sulk nonsense trying to validate his existence instead of autistically commiting to a strict OMAD PPLPPLX cut. Abandoning thread because it's now more evident than ever that fat people are literally like pigs, at one point you realize wrestling it in its own shit just amuses the pig and you gotta just step away.
>can't even reply properly
>using ebonics
>missed the part where I said I did PPLPPLX
Oh my swarthy coal. You are literally too brown and low IQ to comprehend what I've posted and respond accordingly
You have lied and shifted the goal posts too many times in the thread for me to beleive that you were doing 10 miles a day for 18 months in the 2 years you've been trying to lose weight. Post proof, a tracking app data of any sort with which you tracked your 10 mile hikes.
You also didnt read my post, for someone trying to LOSE WEIGHT, 2100 is way too high
Neither did you at any point give your 'resistance training' numbers.
And of course I was right on the money on your life situation, a no effort whiner will never amount to anything.
>You have lied and shifted the goal posts too many times
Where have I lied? Where were the goalposts shifted from and to?
>you were doing 10 miles a day for 18 months in the 2 years you've been trying to lose weight
I've been trying to lose weight for far longer than two years - what I've done for the last two years is be completely consistent in diet and exercise.
>Post proof, a tracking app data of any sort with which you tracked your 10 mile hikes.
Why in the world would I track my walking routes?
>You also didnt read my post, for someone trying to LOSE WEIGHT, 2100 is way too high
You must not understand how BMR and TDEE work. What are you basing this belief on, exactly? Did you look at the image?
>Neither did you at any point give your 'resistance training' numbers.
Because how much I lift is completely irrelevant to me not losing body fat when I have posted my diet and macros and they're below my BMR, let alone my TDEE.
>And of course I was right on the money on your life situation, a no effort whiner will never amount to anything.
I don't think you understood my point there either. I am successful and people rely on my mental performance, so I need to keep it in mind when making diet and exercise plans. That's why, for example, I can't do fasted lifting in the morning, however much I'd like to - it makes me nauseous and unable to concentrate/think clearly for the rest of the day.
Anyone who has ever tried to lose fat has tracked their cardio and weightlifting routines meticulously. Its not even possible to know you have moved 10 miles for even a day unless you track it.
Your unwillingness to post any of that simply means you have not done anything.
I dont even need to reply to the rest of your moronic post, you're not worth talking to seriously. I will reply when you post your data.
>Anyone who has ever tried to lose fat has tracked their cardio and weightlifting routines meticulously.
I never said I didn't. You just haven't "unlocked" that from me because you can't intelligently respond to the BMR/TDEE problem
>Its not even possible to know you have moved 10 miles for even a day unless you track it.
Because it's a five mile loop that I walked twice per day. Me knowing that distance and having some kind of app to track my movements are separate things.
>I dont even need to reply to the rest of your moronic post, you're not worth talking to seriously. I will reply when you post your data.
That's fine. You failed to comprehend anything I said and certainly didn't contribute anything of value. All you and 50 other people itt have shown is that you can ape muh "eat less and exercise more" even when I eat cleaner than you and exercise more than you while having worse outcomes.
fat people who keep getting fatter are liars. you're leaving something out
is that your ideal, once in a while diet? or literally every single day?
is that your actual regular daily workout regimen, or you did all that in one day at one point last year?
is that your actual average daily caloric intake? or is that what you calculated one time at some point a while back?
are you leaving out liquid calories? you drink alcohol?
Something about your calorie macros doesn't sound right to me either, unless you are eating insanely clean. >184g of protein from egg whites is 1000 calories
>168g carbs from white rice is 700 calories
how does 100g of fat fit into that?
I'm inclined to believe you're lying, to yourself and to us. You even point out part of it as "trying". In other words, you know that you're sharing information with us that is invalid because it is not consistent. Inside your own post, you are blaming factors that cannot be measured like brain fog.
>is that your ideal, once in a while diet? or literally every single day?
I've eaten more or less the exact same thing every day for two years, with slight variations (rice OR potatoes, beef OR chicken, dates OR citrus, etc). Prior to that, I ate even less.
>is that your actual regular daily workout regimen, or you did all that in one day at one point last year?
The morning routine is the same every day and has been for the same time period as my diet. The afternoon (resistance) portion has changed in line with changes in my programming, mostly with different rest day intervals for PPL. There have also been periods when I'd walk another five miles at night or do some kind of light exercise before bed.
>is that your actual average daily caloric intake? or is that what you calculated one time at some point a while back?
See my first reply.
>are you leaving out liquid calories? you drink alcohol?
Any liquid with calories is included in my calorie/macro count. I only drink water, coffee, and milk. No alcohol.
>Something about your calorie macros doesn't sound right to me either, unless you are eating insanely clean. >184g of protein from egg whites is 1000 calories
>how does 100g of fat fit into that?
I can give you a breakdown of calories and macros for any of these meals/snacks if you'd like, but here's what I eat:
Breakfast: Greek yogurt, honey, coconut oil
Snack: Dates and cashews
Lunch: ~1/2 lb ground beef, potatoes, onions
Snack: Beef gelatin, sardines
Dinner: Chicken and rice
Before bed: Milk, casein, beef gelatin
>I'm inclined to believe you're lying, to yourself and to us. You even point out part of it as "trying".
I elaborated on what I meant by "trying" in other posts
If this is ACTUALLY 100% true then i’d see a Dr. but I bet it isnt. I would bet you are so mired down in the sunk cost of having set up the “just right” routine to follow every day that youve become complacent and arent trying that hard anymore because youre demotivated.
You can also hire a personal trainer nutritinist type who will literally just make you their Sim for 4 months and i guarantee you would get results. Im not talking about a planet fitness guy but an independent one with clients at lifetime and has an active ig account and some genuine certifications
It's 100% true, and as I mentioned earlier in this thread, my doctor's approach would be to put me on TRT and thyroid hormones, but I don't want to become dependent on exogenous hormones for the rest of my life. However much they're claimed to be reversible, I don't think it's smart if your eye is toward longevity.
My point in being present in this thread at all was to see if anyone could think critically about the fact that "eat less and exercise more" is not sound advice for someone like me or
.
Post your body then. If you've been eating clean, hitting your calorie target, eating tons of protein, and exercising consistently for over 2 years, you're either
>a good slab of muscle with some extra belly fat
>someone with a legitimate thyroid condition, rare
or the most likely scenario
>a fat liar
Already addressed that here:
What do I have to gain by lying about this, and especially from responding in detail to every question? The point was to find advice beyond the common protocol, because it hasn't worked for me.
is seemingly the only one who passed this IQ test (saying something other than just aping "eat less and exercise more")
Honestly you have an answer for everything here and your body seems to be defying the laws of physics and biology.
You’re fricking trolling, obviously, or you’re a genetic dead end.
Even 90 year olds gain muscle when resistance training. How are you incapable of that?
I’m this guy.
Stats: 180cm 74kg
Been eating just under 1700kc a day, lifting 4x a week. Body shape won’t budge.
At some point in 2022 I was eating as low as 1400 cals. I lost 15 lbs still retained the pear shape.
I do not consume any fizzy drink or alcohol or fast food (I can’t anyway with my SSRIs)
I never eat over 2000kj a day at 5’11”. I have been doing ppl since September
And YET
My body stays the same high E Low T phenotype. I probably eat less than most here yet I still look like a woman
What day you CICo friends?
>I have been doing ppl since September
Post your routine.
>My body stays the same high E Low T phenotype
Get a hormone panel
>SSRIs
Talk to your psych about tapering down your dose
>i don't want to
Then fail, like countless others before you.
You have unique challenges, some or all of which are not your fault, but they are your responsibility.
Things will be hard for you until they get easier, so hold your nose and jump into the cold water of effort.
Either eat less or exercise more. Reduce carbs to like 120-130g. Add like 20-30 more grams of protein.
I don't think I could eat any less, calories-wise, but I could try messing with the macro ratios. Whey tends to spike my insulin a lot, so I stick to casein drank before bed, but I'm not sure where I'd fit in more casein during the day because of how long it takes to digest/absorb. Any suggestions for what I could fit in and when?
>your body seems to be defying the laws of physics and biology
You only see it this way because you don't understand the role that metabolism and sex hormones/endogenous steroids play in regulating body fat and muscle. "Genetic dead end" is an empty term - if I have kids, then I guess you were wrong, and if I don't, then you were right!
>because you don't understand the role that metabolism and sex hormones/endogenous steroids play in regulating body fat and muscle
Yes I do. That’s why I referenced literal geriatrics who should theoretically have a worse metabolic and endocrine profile than you.
Post your body. And also post your routine.
I don't think geriatrics have a better hormone profile than me on average, but that's irrelevant. Not posting body so I don't become a meme. I've also already posted my diet and exercise regiment itt.
>Insulin is good, shuttles glucose to your muscles
It also shuttles fat to your muscles, and your organs, which is doubly bad as skinnyfats have a tendency toward accumulating visceral fat in their abdomen.
>Whey tends to spike my insulin a lot,
Are you diabetic? This shouldn’t be that important to you. Insulin is good, shuttles glucose to your muscles . That’s why body builders inject the shit. Not that casein is bad but having some whey in the morning or immediately after lifting is pretty easy.
What’s your blood glucose in the morning?
You could be not eating enough, also, and I doubt you’re over training.
>6'6" 285lb
>maintaining with 2140 calories
There is 0% chance you are measuring your caloric intake correctly, I'm sorry but you're straight moronic bro
I posted my exact diet later in the thread (
), and I'll extend the same offer to you of posting the exact weights per portion and their corresponding macros/calories.
Have you had your thyroid checked?
You got the skinnyfat body from rotting in your room too much, bad sleeping habits, and spiking your insulin with sugar and salty fast food. In no other time in history would this happen. Solutions? Do any sort of physical activity, fix sleep, and get your micros in while watching your sugar intake
>b-b-but muh genetics
Cope.
giga cope, Teenaged david laid didn't do much different from me and played lol during his youth and occasionally worked out and he's been lean well into his 20s
bluepill fgt you know nothing
lol
teenaged david laid did more hard work and heavy lifting than you did in your entire life, lying gay
If it's that easy, then explain my ()
situation
meant
For all you skinnyfat anons, no you don't have a disease that's preventing you from losing weight.
You need to go on a diet and exercise like a fat person.
Everyone comes in here and repeats this yet zero people have responded to
which seemingly refutes it.
you probably need to work more. forget programs just go in the gym and find stuff to do for an hour every workout (unless youre injuring yourself then stop and build up to an hour). your body is capable of more work than the average lifter.
ideally do different exercises rather than just more sets. 3-4 chest exercises with 3 sets each will take like 25-30 min. and then you can do arms and back, multiple exercises.
I've tried a variety of different routines in the gym, and they all lead to the same few things: I don't put on muscle mass, I don't lose fat, and I ultimately have a "crash" like I described, that leaves me even worse than when I started.
then inject test
Yeah, obviously TRT + thyroid hormones would help me, but I don't want to become reliant on something like that for the rest of my life.
You can always hop off. Furthermore, there’s ancillaries your doc can prescribe you to keep your HPTA on or turn it back on after you feel like you want to hop off.
I have hope that I can overcome this through lifestyle changes, but if all else fails I will try that out. Thank you
Trust me I went through the same lifestyle changes (le animal based, adding Mag+D3+Boron). Get your bloods checked no matter what. For all you now, it could be an iron over or underload problem.
Can you post body dude? Censor face or something I don’t wanna give you generic just cut bro advice but bit hard without anything to go on
The risk of becoming a meme is too high. I look bad - just imagine someone skinnyfat with gyno and narrow shoulders. I've been in and out of weight rooms since I was 14 so I know what routines work for other people - what to do in the gym is not my concern right now. Like I mentioned here
I obviously need to lose fat and gain muscle, but eating clean and lifting hasn't worked.
This happened to me.
idk if it helps to hear but I've just been cutting myself hard to 1600 cals daily with some vitamins and now it's melting off. (shitton of egg whites, rice, chicken, beans)
16lbs in a month, about 30lbs overweight still.
I'll regain my muscle mass when i get to a body fat level that isn't turbo shit, if I try to do both at the same time I just crash hard. I might just be a moron but I feel like I set myself up for failure when I try to do it all at once.
Good luck - I hope it continues to work out well for you and you're able to keep off the fat while putting on muscle in the future.
>Skinny
To escape skinny one must bulk.
>Fat
Visceral fat is very hard to lose even on a severe cut, conflicts with escaping skinny.
Saving this sorry excuse for a thread
>omg anyone asking for help is le Incel!
Stop shilling your own posts too, I know it’s guts you short frick
Looking at left you were obviously sedentary or did something very cardio-heavy while not having very high test, and your diet wasn't good. This advice is completely useless for someone who looks like
Why won’t it work for him? His body is extremely similar to my left but he has 4” on me
You have zero gyno and your fat distribution is appropriate for an (out of shape) man. Neither of those things are true for him, and he's also much older than you were in your pic (i.e. you're comparing a sedentary young man in the midst of puberty with a presumably mid 20s man with some kind of endocrine problems).
I’m the guy you’re talking about and you’re correct, I’m 27, and gutsanon never had gyno or massive b***h breasts
Also, I’m “only” 74kg in that photo yet have horrendous body fat storage
>yet have horrendous body fat storage
then get rid of all this excess fat you moron
"only" 74kg with no muscle is not a lot compared to people who shop at walmart, not to normal people
You are the moron, the point of the post is I store fat like a woman and have high estrogen / low T. Normal fat guys don’t have birthing hips and b cup breasts with narrow shoulders, dense c**t
Agreed. Have you had a pretty stressful life? Maybe a lot of things didn't turn out as well as you'd hoped? I have a body comp similar to yours, albeit not quite as bad, and I've often thought it was related to stress and my inability to deal with it.
Angle fraud chatgpt crab roider cope
None of these words are in the bible
To anyone who actually did escape skinnyfat, how long did it take you? I'm at the 1.25 year mark and while I definitely look better than at the start, it still looks like I've got a long way to go.
Here's a 6 months for me, I haven't escaped but this is what you can expect with minimal effort . If you push very hard you can look a lot better
You look good but you don't seem to have much visceral fat. OP is struggling with it.
what did you do brother
Eat less and lift
The real brutal redpill is that it’s basically the same difficulty. You simply just are now discovering what it’s like to be active and eat calories that non skinny fats did all along
It's hard cause cinnamon buns are so delicious with morning coffee.
5 minutes of good mouth taste is not worth the calories have some self control you fat frick
Skinny fats have the problem with of being scared to bulk. Their issue is that they have zero muscle which they desperately need. They always cut weight to end up even more pathetic looking when they need to lift heavy, eat until they're just fat and then cut.
>ITT: people helping OP and crabs in a bucket mad OP has the gall to fix their problem at all
Project harder fatties OP is working to fix their problem and you're not
Because you destroyed your hormones
I can’t sympathize. I’ve been builtfat for pretty much my whole life. I had more lean body mass than most people who had been lifting for years before I ever started lifting and building that muscle has always been insanely easy. A year of serious focus and I’m big as hell and putting up much bigger numbers. My problem has always been losing fat and staying injury free. I walk 10 miles every single day just to stay active enough to not get any bigger. Must run in the family because my dad and uncle are both big as frick too.
>nightmare
It's just cardio and cutting, bro. Ain't that hard.
Lift some weights, do cardio and eat less habibi
Sardines + grass fed liver + fatty meat + cartilage and skin + citrus fruit + super sour homemade yogurt + organic/local/raw milk + meditate on hatred towards the world
=ez test
If you’re tall (taller than 5’8) you can do anything : )
>Why is escaping the skinnyfat curse natty after age 25 such a nightmare?
Pre-diabetes or some similar issue with blood sugar regulation that causes lots of secondary issues like test and hgh decline.
Stop making excuses.
I (
) have a cleaner diet than you, exercise more consistently, and have worse outcomes. Explain that.
Everyone's body is different. Move more, eat less. Eventually you'll get results.
The point is that I cannot move more and eat less than I do now without causing something like exertional rhabdomyolysis, which I've had several episodes of.
You've had rhabdo MULTIPLE times? that's insane
Cbf giving you holistic advice, but you should definitely present your training history to a doctor and get a full suite of blood tests
Being not very muscular and having a base of cardo yet getting rhabdo is VERY concerning. At the very least get a hormone panel done privately, you may need TRT or have a thyroid issue. Good luck.
>You've had rhabdo MULTIPLE times? that's insane
Yes, three times, though one was significantly worse than the others.
>Being not very muscular and having a base of cardo yet getting rhabdo is VERY concerning.
True - I didn't even know it was possible until it happened to me. I had "exertional rhabdomyolysis" which I believe is most common as a result of resistance exercises in particular. I've never had much of a problem with cardio; the most I've ever dealt with is vomiting, lightheadedness, and hyperventilation which, imo, is normal for difficult cardio. In contrast, I get what I call "the shakes" basically every time I do decent resistance training. They last for at least the rest of the day and are some kind of CNS overstimulation.
>you may need TRT or have a thyroid issue
I have problems with both. I'm trying to do everything I can to overcome it without exogenous hormones, and I think I'm getting closer to a solution.
Because you're not willing to put the effort in. Cut and lift. The fat will be replaced with muscle.
try Berberine
escaping skinnyfat is easy.
i’m 32 and it took me like 12 weeks, tops.
stfu
loser
I'm was skinny fat and I'm doing nothing but back and shoulder exercises + cardio.
So I can turn into that >shoulders are everything meme
Because you have no muscle mass and cutting to just skin and bones is painful for a grown man.
why don't you just starve yourself? it's fun and cures fatness
When you're 25 you've probably settled on a lifestyle that is deceptively unhealthy. You move less than you used to as a teenager because now you drive a car every where. You somehow got the idea that having Starbucks everyday is normal. You're an adult but still crave a snack and think it's perfectly normal to smash a Snickers or a donut in the afternoon. You probably have more visceral fat than you think, so when you do cut your silhouette will still be fricked despite actually losing fat.
Dozens of people have posted this exact message and only one person in the entire thread has given a productive reply to my situation:
celebrating the fact that you've changed nothing in 2 years and have somehow gotten fatter is not some iq challenge to us that we are failing to pass. the iq test is in the mirror and you're failing it everyday.
frick off you pudgy weakling. here are two surefire fixes for you:
>do not ingest calories until you no longer have fat reserves around your girlish hips
>shoot testosterone into your ass
You surely would have roped in my situation because your reasoning betrays your inability to adapt to new information. Your life has been very easy but your naivety leads you to believe that you have an iron will. As for me, I'll continue to learn and adapt until I succeed.
When I figure out how to escape, I'll let you know the protocol. I do believe there's a way out.
Don’t bother dude
Absolute brain dead CICo morons who don’t understand what it’s like to be stuck in the skinnyfat limbo
>just eat less bro
>just train harder bro
They don’t get it, don’t bother. Likely you just have shit genetics like myself or a hormone issue, I don’t doubt you’ve tried to escape though
y’all need to stop whining and just get your diet and training in order
Frick off progress spammer, don’t ever post in my threads again
>12 months for this
Yeah, you look like you stood up Str8 bro. Get out
building muscle while staying natty and relatively lean are time consuming.
losing the weight is the easiest thing in the world. this part only took me 11-12 weeks.
P.S. i’m one of the few posters here who has actually escaped skinnyfat, so it’s pretty rich that you’re not willing to listen. keep up that attitude and it’s never going to get better for you.
You’re still skinnyfat. No 6 pack in optimal lighting
I’m not listening to you, you live here and brag about having “side hoes” and driving a Tesla. You spam here constantly, you may have escaped sf but you are mentally ill. Enjoy your Tesla
lmao at this point I’m assuming you’re the troll posing as me and posting about Teslas and side hoes, because I have neither.
anyway it’s clear you can’t be helped. enjoy the bottom of that bucket. seems like you’re nice and cozy down there with your other skinnyfat friends.
best of luck!
>mask comes off
Yep, we already know you got called out moron. Enjoy your while 12 months of lifting for barely visible 4pack abs in optimal lighting kek.
You’re talking to him as if you’re above him, you’re still skinnyfat— just a lower levelled one. Don’t brag about you’re body my guy you don’t have visible abs shirtless without flexing
That guy isn’t worth acknowledging anon, he posted all day on Xmas arguing with trolls and spams like a mf despite being 32 and married. Just ignore his shit.
Yeah kek, I’ve seen frenzy dunk on him so I figured it’s not worth my time, I’ve only seen his moronic shitposts about owning a Tesla and other autistic shit. Sad he’s doing this at his age tbh
Show me a progress pic where the before looks like
and I'll be impressed. It's more shameful that you ever let yourself look like the left pic while being totally healthy and capable of looking like the right.
literally anyone can look like the right here:
including you. and it shouldn’t even take long if you’re actually trying.
your problem is your diet, training, and attitude.
if it’s shameful I let myself look like the left, how shameful does that make you?
seriously. lmao.
The point wasn't that the right is impressive - it's that, just like
, you pat yourself on the back while having the cards stacked in your favor. It's very obvious that neither of you ever had bodies like
- you being skinnyfat was nothing more than a lifestyle decision.
You're also responding to me like I'm PearBrah - I'm not. I just think you're all moronic for pretending that someone who looks like him, obviously suffering from endocrine dysfunction and potentially Cushing's syndrome, will benefit from simple CICO advice. You're too stupid to realize that you were basically 90% of the way there even in your before pics.
sorry bud, you can’t have it both ways.
either:
is “shameful that you ever let yourself look like the left pic” or “90% of the way there even in your before pics.”
can’t be both now, can it?
also, everything written here:
is cope.
>You're also responding to me like I'm PearBrah - I'm not.
This post says otherwise:
but if that wasn’t you, you’re still the one in this thread who has admitted to never lifting a single weight, right?
>Routine: none but i fast and walk a lot
gee i wonder what the problem is…
lmao
as for that picture. he doesn’t have endocrine dysfunction. he doesn’t have Cushing’s. he has fat butt disease. he has been sitting on his fat NEET butt for a decade. he just needs to download a calorie tracker and hit the weight room for 12 months. just like you.
but sure, keep the excuses coming. that’s been working for you so far, right?
>sorry bud, you can’t have it both ways.
Those two things aren't antithetical you absolute moron - they're complimentary. The difference between left and right is 10%, therefore it's shameful that you ever looked like the left when it was quite easy to look like the right.
Pic rel will clear up who's who
This guy gets it.
I’m not pear brah, but his body is BEYOND skinnyfat
Do you morons comprehend that?
>hurr any fat guy looks like that
No. They don’t use your brain, he has female fat storage and breasts. Not a single anon here has looked like pearbro and ascended.
Stop using guts as an example, he is not genetically fricked like the Pear
Show me one (1) person who has a similar body to the Pear anf changed it and I’ll stand corrected
Everyone posted in here has a 200% better starting point than Pearbrah
If you think he’s “just skinnyfat” you are room temp iq.
Only man ITT with an IQ in the triple digits
Cope. Stop demotivating that homosexual. He can still strife to become the best version of himself. You're the worst kind of person.
>”escaped” skinnyfat
> no full 6pack in the most optimal lighting
Anon..
Did you cut or recomp first?
Also: weight on left and right?
166 lbs on the left. 175 lbs on the right. i’ve been bulking all winter and i’ve only cut a few pounds so far - this is about as fat as i let myself get on a bulk.
the first thing I did was cut aggressively for 12 weeks until most of the fat was gone:
then i bulked pretty carelessly to pick up noob gains. then cut back down for summer of 2023. since then, i try to lean bulk until i hit about 15% bodyfat, then cut back down to 11-12%.
i’ll be repeating that for probably another 1.5 to 2 years before i get even remotely big (while lean at the same time).
if you’re natty and skinnyfat, you can get rid of the fat in a matter of a few months. but it’s going to take years to get big and lean. 2-3 years, easy.
that’s eleven schizoposts. keep running up the tab, bucko. lmao.
>he’s still here
>he still posts in a thread where people dislike him
>he is 33
Absolutely brutal , imagine doing this at 23 let alone 33. Keep bumping my thread, baldy
Sorry I’m a bit slow, when you say “this is how fat I let myself get” which pic you referring too?
And do you think cutting first worked better than a straight recomp?
Thanks for answering btw I’m a skinnyfat but not tiring to make excuses like these 2 dudes
>when you say “this is how fat I let myself get” which pic you referring too?
On the right, here:
that’s right about at the end of a bulk. I’m cutting now.
personally I’m glad I cut first. the fat melted off quickly and my face/jaw improved SO much in just the first 12 weeks. it felt great to see progress so quickly and to know that i had 100% control over my situation and that i never had to carry too much fat again. ever.
i’m deeply skeptical of recomp, and i’m always either eating at a surplus or a deficit with a goal in mind.
if you recomp, it’s going to take forever to see any progress in the mirror. you’re probably going to be six months in, looking in the mirror and wondering if anything has even changed.
Appreciate. You’re one of the only guys I’ve seen on here whose escaped skinnyfat (and at a “later” age) lotta dudes seem to say recomp first so glad to see someone who cut first and it worked. Mirin hard
Nice, now post a picture of you’re 6pack in non optimal lighting without flexing boyo
I’ll wait 🙂
Get a trip so I can filter you, baldy. Do it now
This guys trying to help you and you’re being a c**t dude. Settle down
You can change your life overnight with the right mindset, but you’re set on blaming everyone else.
Stay stuck and seething homosexual, Sage.
But anon, nothing is ever his fault. There is nothing he can do besides complain on IST.
So true he should just stay the same and cope about it forever
It seems like he is
I gave a very detailed breakdown of my situation, what I've done about it, and made it clear that I'm going to continue trying until I figure it out.
Keep patting yourselves on the back for playing on easy mode.
Based fellow skinnyfat
Listening to these morons tru to empathise with our situation is classic
They’d rope on out shoes not even a month in
Pat on the back for having good genetics gays
are there any anons here who got fit while being neets and living with parents? I was making progress for some time but then I relapsed got back to where I started, so many food temptations and distractions and parents pressure me to eat all the time or just do stuff that annoy me and make me less focused, I guess I really need to move out to get my health shit together
Moving out on my own was like a breath of fresh air, I immediately cleaned up my diet and got on a regular training schedule because I was no longer thinking about anybody but myself.
It's not. I was a frickin' ham planet into my 20s, skinny fat up until 29. Visible abs at 31. Just work hard and stop crying.
Op of the thread here
Absolute CICo brainlets and morons; if anyone who looks like the pear brah can show me a proper transformation I’ll eat my words. A proper skinnyfat, estrogen soaked body like him. Until then, all you have is people who started from a much better position. Cope on brainlets
Seconded. For all of the CICO spammers aping the point, not one has posted a transformation from a Pearbrah-esque physique to one that's respectable, and they post their own like it's supposed to be sufficient.
Explain to me what’s so special and snowflakey about the Pearbrah” then anon
You and that other sperg keep holding him up to some light like he’s in fixable. He’s literally just fat, and he has the unfortunate genetics to store it like a woman. He could never be a fitness model, I agree but he would look 10009x time better if he recomped
>he has the unfortunate genetics to store it like a woman
Have you ever considered what this means and what it might imply? Are you under the impression that there is a "Give a man breasts and feminine hips" gene with zero implications for other elements of his biology? Why do boys and girls look relatively similar physiologically until puberty? When you understand what I'm implying, you'll see that his path isn't mere recomp. He'll need to get his hormone profile in order before he'll make any progress in losing weight or putting on muscle.
Nope. He just needs to:
- Download a calorie tracker, get a minimum of 150g of protein and a maximum of 2,000 calories per day.
- Exercise every day. Alternating daily between heavy barbell lifts and cardio.
Just like everyone else.
If you haven't done the required reading:
then do not reply to me like your opinion is to be taken seriously.
Stop complaining and stick to a program.
Your problem is you’re not trying hard enough.
Boo hoo “brain fog” yeah I bet. Just stick to a fricking program.
Filtered. Brain fog matters for people who are expected to perform - it doesn't matter when someone like you fails to properly craft a Subway sandwich.
I guess you’re stuck being a fat piece of shit for life then, aren’t you?
If that’s the excuse you’ve chosen to cling to
You're showing that you didn't comprehend the reading if that was your takeaway. The more pressing concern should be: what will YOU do when I successfully lose weight by eating more, stabilizing my hormones, and then shedding body fat, thus refuting your precious CICO?
You ignore everyone’s advice and as all your excuses get knocked away, you come up with more and more ludicrous one that are less and less provable.
Look. The reality is that your diet is perfect, your exercise routine is perfect, and the only reason you pause your workouts is due to the totally unprovable “brain fog”
The reality is that no one here is going to diagnose you with the medical issue causing brain fog. You need to see a doctor.
But we both know that’s just an excuse, don’t we?
>what will YOU do when I successfully lose weight
You won’t. The past is the best predictor of the future and in two years of “trying hard” you haven’t been able to do shit.
>the only reason you pause your workouts is due to the totally unprovable “brain fog”
My goodness you people are stupid - the brain fog itself is the least of my worries. It's called exertional rhabdomyolysis.
>The reality is that no one here is going to diagnose you with the medical issue causing brain fog. You need to see a doctor.
I did, which is why I mentioned that the "proper" protocol would be for me to go on TRT and Armour Thyroid (
)
This is the hundredth instance itt of someone living life on easy mode thinking they're insightful for aping CICO.
So what you’re saying is that you have a diagnosable and treatable medical condition.
That is completely preventing you from working out.
And you’re not willing to take the meds.
And you want IST to do what exactly?
Fricking have a nice day, homosexual.
>diagnosable and treatable medical condition
Taking exogenous hormones for the rest of your life is hardly treatment, and cool it with the mammy-speak, homosexual.
>That is completely preventing you from working out.
It's not, as I mentioned. No doubt it is making it harder.
>And you’re not willing to take the meds.
See my first reply. I believe there are alternatives.
>And you want IST to do what exactly?
Realize that someone who looks like Pearbrah is in a similar position.
The easy-mode CICO-cels show their true visage, crumbling in the face of a desire to overcome real adversity, "Shut up and take the medicine!" You're all pathetic.
Oh you’re the weirdo that chases progressgay around this website.
What motivates you after all this time?
Not me. This is the first time I've ever made more than one post in a thread, because it's something near and dear to my heart.
So you talk just like this guy:
And you’re in the same thread as him.
But you’re not him?
If you think we post at all alike then you must have some kind of textual tone-deafness. I even figure I'm one of the "2 dudes" who he's criticizing here
Catch up, slow poke. There are three people advocating against your brain dead CICo advice. I’ll help you out
The 6’6 anon who hasn’t posted body, he’s the one you’re replying to
Pear brah (the skinnyfat unfortunate genetics Anon posted above)
And the OP (me)
Keep Up
No one “stalks” ProgressBlack person, he larps as his own haters. This is common knowledge by now, newhomosexual
Thanks to my lifting routine, I am no longer a skinnyfat. I'm just fat..
>everyone is one person
>he’s still doing the “my stalkers but”
If I’m doing this at 32 just kms
You’re 32 and posting on a board for zoomers lmao
Like go away old ahh
>progress cuck has been lifting 1.5 years and still doesn’t have 6pack when flexed
Absolutely brutal
Former skinnyfat that took until 28 to fix that shit
Literally just stop eating and lift harder
JUST STOP EATING AND LIFT HARDER
NOOOO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE JUST GIVE UP AND CRY ON IST
It takes some time no matter ur age. You're just less patient in your mid 20s because you actually realize that you wont be young forever. Your standards are probably higher too, 16 year olds who start lifting just want to look like adult men.
Why the frick is this homosexual seething so hard. People tell him to lose weight and work and he complains. People show progress from skinnyfat to somewhat fit and he complains that they didn't do shit when they clearly improved themslves immensely. What's the fricking deal with him?
Are you people really so moronic that you can't see how little help saying "CICO" to someone like Pearbrah is?
He wants excuses for why he can't lose weight. No different from a fat person claiming their genetics prevent them from exercising and dieting.
Last time I’m saying this
If you cicotards want to talk big, you gotta back it up. Show me one (1) guy who started from a position as fricked as the Pearbrah (he posted above) and we can talk
That’s it. Show one guy who went from high E skinnyfat phenotype to normal / ripped and I’ll take your word
Other guys posted are nowhere near as doomed as him. That’s all you gotta do.
“Eat less” and “CICo” don’t do shit for someone with his hormonal profile.
It’s really basic shit and you don’t even need to read the millions of studies backing it up to know it works. Literally every single professional body builder follows CICO for cutting before a show.
Ok
>again
Are CICo tards brwindead? NONE of those guys had hormone disorders. Progressboy was just some skinnyfat stemcel, gutsanon was just an out of shape Manlet
NONE of them have b cup breasts, high E wide hips and feminine hips. Brainlets
>show me!
>shows you
>no, I don't accept that!
>shows second example
>I don't accept that either! You're all braindead!
Leave the mental gymnastics to the women, they're better at them.
>an out of shape guy here looks exactly like this high E, wide hipped xxy looking lanklet!
Kys
So no more arguments from you? Glad we sorted that out then. Take the L and try to do better next time. Hugs and kisses
You don’t have wide hips. You have lots of fat.
Notice how it looked like
had wide hips, but they magically disappeared whe he lost the weight?
The exact same thing would happen to you if you would just fricking quit whining and do the work.
But we all know you won’t. So go start another thread and come up with another 100+ excuses
>muh hormones
>muh metabolism
Oh yeah? You had those tested!
Go ahead and respond to his post with the phrase CICotard. That’ll really show us.
>progress anon speaking in third person again
Yawn, also you’re 42. Go to your job or some shut lol
so you can’t provide one photo evidence of someone who had high E low T like pear ? Not ONE in a thread or almost 300 replies?
Damn. I’m yet to be proven correct. You’d think CICo chuds could show One guy among thousands. Guess not
Xox
Not responding to anyone without a photo looking similar to pear man
Peace
>cater to my highly specific demands or you're a chud and I am very intelligent
You've been proven wrong plenty ITT, you're just too stupid to admit it. Whatever makes you sleep at night, sweetie.
>CICo
why do you keep spelling it this way?
This is you LARPing as a third person
>you had those tested!?
I’m.. yes moron. That’s how xxy is diagnosed, I’ve explained multiple times I eat 1600 and it does shit. For the slow ones like yourself.. I have been DIAGNOSED with xxy. They can’t gain muscle
Any more questions, Einstein?
Also progress man, you have a ALOT of free time for a married 32 year old man. Like, almost more than me and I’m part time student. Everything ok at home?
You’re responding to yourself in 3rd person again
Don’t post on my threads again thx
Cause they tend to have the lowest test
Hey if you are 6’6 you probably have some hormonal issue relating to your height. To get that tall involves a lot of estrogen during puberty. That often doesn’t go away for extremely tall men like yourself. Look up Marfan syndrome and other diseases in relation to extremely tall stature. Look into EDS too. My husband is as tall as you and struggles with similar issues. I think he might have something like marfans. He’s probably always going to be stuck as skinnyfat because of how tall he is. His body is genuinely so different from most men. Not different in a bad way at all.. just different! There are just some extremely tall men who can’t gain muscle in the same way average height men can. I genuinely think it’s just a body type some very tall men have because of hormonal issues. Are you taller than both of your parents? That’s a clue as to having a hormonal issue as a very tall man. Don’t let people here get you down if this is the case. I love my husband and think he is beautiful and extremely handsome. You sound like you take care of your body and eat very well. I hope you keep that up and live long so you can be with your future spouse a very long time. Keep your heart healthy since you are at risk as a very tall man. Keep going on those walks.
I also wanted to say that you shouldn’t give into taking hormones. You already have a risk of reduced lifespan because of how tall you are. Please do not take them! You might see some small results of fat loss in stubborn areas with extremely low carb diet. That’s what women have to do to lose. Forget gaining muscle like average and below 6’4 men though. I don’t think it’s going to happen for you. Your issues sound just like my husbands and he’s either been extremely thin his whole life or skinny fat despite being extremely active and using his body weight for extreme sports. He just can’t gain muscle like average men can. You are way outside the realm of having the typical male body due to your height, so your body needs different things. You should probably only be getting advice from other extremely tall men who also have some sort of hormone thing going on. The guys here probably can’t help you at all. Though I think you will be okay and have the potential for a wonderful life. Muscles are not everything. Plenty of women appreciate the body type on a tall guy that you describe. Just take care of your health like you have been doing and don’t let the muscle thing get to your head.
Rest assured that I agree about the hormones - I just think they'll do more harm than good long term, and would probably lead to something catastrophic health-wise if I ever had to stop taking them. Even if it will never be perfect, I'm going to keep trying new things to improve my health. Thank you again.
Thank you for your insight and encouragement. I've often thought about the same thing (elevated estrogen and height), because I continued to grow until at least age 20, and I am significantly taller than both of my parents.
I'm sorry to hear that your husband struggles with some of the same things that I do - hopefully neither of us have Marfan syndrome or EDS. If it's any help to him, I found that eating more - especially a lot of protein - made me more energetic and healthier overall (especially in the joints, which can be a problem for taller guys), and didn't lead me to put on any more body fat. Good luck and good health to you both!
Thanks for the tip about protein! His joints have actually been hurting recently. I’ll be sure to make him more meats this week. He is much taller than both of his parents just like you! So there is probably something going on there. One thing that really helps his body and overall health has been skateboarding. No muscle gain from that but it really slims him down when consistent with it, especially did in the past before we got old. He will probably never be as thin as he was before 20yo though, but it seems to help a bit! Maybe try that out. Do your feet hurt a lot when standing? He has pain standing for more than 10 mins at a time and we don’t really know why. Ever since he was a kid.
I also skateboarded when I was younger - such good and fun exercise - but those falls get brutal as you get bigger and older! As far as joint health goes, gelatinous proteins, as well as beef gelatin on its own, when coupled with Vitamin C (like from citrus fruits) really helps to make strong joints and tendons/ligaments.
I've found that shoes with wide toe boxes and "zero drop" (i.e. the outsole is flat so the heel and toe are at the same level) really help. "Toe spacers" really encourage your feet to assume a more natural posture so that they can better distribute force. My current "active" shoes are Altra Escalantes, and they've been a Godsend for my feet, though if he does a lot of exercise/movement on concrete, I'd recommend something from Altra's lineup with a thicker outsole.
I’ll be looking into those shoes thanks! Do you have any other high E symptoms, like acne?
I've never had acne as a teen or adult, oddly enough.
when I am on cut I become a light weight drinker. Can't have that. But I also want to be skinny.
>muh alcohol
wow anon, you're so manly! I bet women just throw themselves at you because you can drink loads of beer!
it took me 3 months at 30. intermittent fasting plus lifting every day
>Why is escaping the skinnyfat curse natty after age 25 such a nightmare?
Unironically the answer is low testosterone. You've made your body worse in every way from your muscles to your brain to your hormones to your mentalities to your bones to your habits and instincts and so forth.
It takes years to actually recover from living like a piece of shit.
>300 hits
>not a single body that ascended with pear anon as a base
CICo bros..
>289 hits
>not a single person starting from pearbrahs base can provide photographic evidence
Yup, it’s another cicochud delusion
G night folks!
Literally me, I do 40 push ups and 40 squats when I wake up and watch what I eat, but the belly seems to have found a permanent home.
>40 push ups and 40 squats
less calories burned than a 30 minute walk
>watch what I eat
everyone watches what they eat
don't turn into the schizo in this thread who types 100,000 words about why the world is wrong and he's not to blame for being a pudgy weakling. just diet harder and lose weight you fricking worthless excuse-making tub of shit
>the belly
it's your fricking body, don't turn your lard into a fricking cartoon character that exists separate from you. stop feeding "the belly" and "the belly" will cease to exist.
>autistic seething
Thanks for the advice, good luck working on your anger issues.
at least i'm not fat
You can be both. I believe. I'll shed the lard you shed the trauma, wagmi.
ITT: Fastingtards whose bodies ate all of their muscle and left them an unhealthy mess, still at 30% BF LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I've been spamming burpees every day and it's making me look lean and mean finally. Hundreds of reps every day.
did 100 burpees after being motivated by this post. What percentile of IST am I today?
>tfw live in an apartment
If you have a belly you are fat, not skinnyfat.
Skinnyfat is slim but untrained. OP is a moron like all fatties.
Are you moronic?
Being skinny and untrained is just called being skinny.
Why do you think it is called skinnyFAT?
Because you have skinny arms and legs while still having a belly.
You are both skinny and fat at the same time.
How is skinnyfat even a thing? Just pick a direction. Either lift and become builtfat or cut and become thin. How is this hard?
>tfw I have legenarily deep hip dips
How do I get rid of them bros
>i’m 25-30% bodyfat
>i look like shit
Yeah, you don’t say. Your specific “issues” are a function of being fat. Nobody cares until you cut down to 10-12% bodyfat. If you still have problems at that point, happy to discuss.
Okay I am fat right now but I was skinny most of my life and I've always had them. So let's talk.
Lookin like the Halo CE flood combat form
I did it after 25. Literally lift. There’s no great mystery to it. If you’re on the fat side of skinny fat have a small deficit. If you’re on the skinny side of skinny fat have a slight surplus. But lift like your life depends on it, because “skinny fat” is just a lack of muscle mass and you’re not going to build mass without an appropriate training stimulus.
how do I know if I'm skinny fat?
Got my first trial training at the gym next week
i never worked out and my BMI seems quite normal at 21
Look at image. Does it look like you?
i don't really have that side wards protruding belly
but if I grab, I can grab like a 3cm big skin / fat roll
and my belly has a slight outwards curve when I'm standing
but it feels quite big / fatty when I'm sitting
giving up before starting, are we?
maybe you should have a nice day now so you won't have to do it later.
Heckin awesome contribution homosexual I loved the part where you ignored the previous 300 replies and just added a gay little retort it was frickin sick
Shut up and get in the gym. If I can escape skinnyfat at age 38 after never having been in the gym (42 now), you can do it.
This is me a year ago
This is me now at 26. You can escape skinny fat mode in a year with dumbbells and a pull up bar.
Forgot pic
Weight and height, please. Also, what would you call your current mode? Built fat? I'm something like this, probably slightly less muscles, but I keep calling myself skinny fat.
did you eat at maintenance or surplus?
I am 180cm and stayed at about 82kg the whole time. Did not track my calories but cut out sugar, fried stuff and halved by beer consumption. I am still a bit fluffy, my goal was to look respectable, not ripped.
Brother in a YEAR you could bulked and gotten immensely more muscles