Why is exercise science still so lacking? Like what have these dipshits been doing the past 50 years?
Why is exercise science still so lacking? Like what have these dipshits been doing the past 50 years?
Why is exercise science still so lacking? Like what have these dipshits been doing the past 50 years?
All the good stuff is trade secrets, just look at how olympic athletes continue to push the boundaries of human performance and set new records. The knowledge is there, it's just private.
>continue to push the boundaries of human performance
yeah, because they find new ways to dope themselves up with shit
I would argue a lot of that is genetics. Lot of these people are thoroughbreds. Their parents were runners who had kids with other runners and rapidly we see emergent breed suited for a task. Then doping comes in on top of that. It's why the winter Olympics is so much better.
t. cumbrain
The effects of roids haven't improved anywhere near as much as the tests to detect them since the '70s.
t. ranny
>implying you know what's available and what's not by being a basement dwelling dyel working a minimum wage
This, but it's really not even that private.
morons here would just rather follow shit they found on youtube or a random forum than looking at how actual athletes train. Even state/national level junior athletes have better training knowledge than 99.9% of people here or at the gym.
It's different with hypertrophy, because the ones who are elite at it are all on steroids, and sometimes train like fricking morons because they have the best drugs and genetics for it to work, or their volume is way too high for naturals. So you'd have to look at the greats from the 50s and 60s, and take what you can learn from all kinds of other sports, an armwrestler training to build forearms for instance. This is why bodybuilding is an art, no one's workout and goals are going to be exactly the same.
>their volume is way too high for naturals
This is not a thing.
sure it is
Fine, but it's irrelevant for 99.9% of people.
You can be almost certain that anyone claiming they can't do more volume because of their natty status is just lazy and moronic.
I agree. But if a novice looked at CBum's routine and just copied it, it would be way too much. And if you're advanced enough to where you can add way more volume, you problably already know what you're doing to where you can make your own routine and experiment.
Okay yeah, I see where you're coming from.
>t. moron that hasn't looked at an olympia competitor's training schedule and program
post a routine they do
Methods of training are gatekept in order to keep making money.
There's a reason juniors fall off if they don't become part of their clique in the national team.
Because it's expensive as shit to get a bunch of people together and actually have them exercise or eat in a certain way for a length of time.
Like just imagine what it would cost to find even 30 people to do X or Y workout for 3 months.
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So basically we're never going to have a good body of scientific knowledge on this topic in our lifetimes? Frick
We have huge understanding of knowledge when it comes to training. You just don't know how to find it
Ok then tell me what's better - high reps or low reps?
What amount of protein for maximum muscle gain?
Does timing of protein intake matter?
These are basic questions exercise science has failed to answer. Dont reply without citations
>Dont reply without citations
>Spoonfeed me and do all my research for me
We already know the answers to these questions and I'm not going to share them with you because you're clearly a massive homosexual.
>Dont reply without citations
Kys Black person. Admit that you just want excuses for why you look like shit.
You're a huge gay. Citation: this entire thread.
Yeah that wouldn't be hard at all lol. sciencelet.
Because there are too many diet fads, nu-exercises and blatant lies. Fitness Wellness industry is just a big scam and the good stuff is buried deep down.
Post body
Still waiting for body op. Clearly you must have a 10/10 physique if the current body of knowledge regarding exercise and body composition just isn't good enough for you,
OP larping as the nameless one cause he looks like Morte
lift heavy things and do it consistently
There's not much else you can do to build muscle. Maybe there's a few strategies to give you an extra 5% or so more muscle, but really it just comes down to lifting heavy things all the time, and the science confirms that its really not much more complicated than that, doesn't really matter the rep range doesn't really matter the weight as long as you fatigue your muscles.
Fitness is solved and has been for a long time. We know how to gain mass, lose mass, get stronger, increase endurance, increase flexibility/mobility. "Experts" can't profit on discussing well known truths of human physiology so new fad's that may or may not have a slight difference in outcome will continue to pop up so there is something for them to make podcasts/youtube videos about.
You play too many videogames in your private time and have autism it’s clear from the way you write
wtf are you talking about, new world records are made almost yearly
Not enough funding, anon. Cancer research gets everything and the rest of us have to scramble for scraps. And research costs a lot of money.
Because it doesn't produce patent protected products so there's virtually no return on the research. Except for whatever bullshit books come out trying to reinvent the wheel.
>Why is exercise science still so lacking?
There are no good studies for many reasons.
They can't get good samples of population for good statistics. The study designs tend to be flawed. You can't do direct studies for alot of questions you have to try indirect which tends to give wrong conclusions. I basically take every exercise science conclusion with a pound of salt.
you'll find good research and studies on specific disciplines but the general science for just lifting or bodybuilding is pretty lacking unless you're talking about roider stuff
Because its not needed? Just lift and eat well and you're set. Maybe target select muscle groups, but as long as you lift, you'll see gains.
It's not, it's just that it has been figured out for decades already, and it was never a complicated problem to begin with. You just lift weights, eat, sleep, repeat. If you're fricking up something so simple you might just be moronic.
Because highly intelligent, competent people don't spend their entire time at the gym and the only money to be made in paying them to study such things is usually in the form of steroid research and blatant grifts in the form of supplement garbage.
Basically the fitness industry is an equal mix of midwit scumbag marketing majors selling trash and the grugbrained broscience morons that think not jerking off will be equivalent to your test levels as if you had done an entire gear cycle. I think this is largely an issue of modern western culture trying to stereotypically divide "intelligent" and "physically capable" into two distinct categories for most men, especially in the US. This cultural impetus to perform financially and intellectually for gifted kids but not engage in heavy physical activity has created subcultures upon subcultures which basically send the overarching message to the youth that you should focus very heavily on one thing as a person and be as good as you can at it, and that you are sticking out from the norm if you enjoy different conflicting hobbies/subcultures. Americans fetishize the jock and nerd archetypes very heavily for a more extreme example.
We already know everything.
It's because volume requirements are so individual. Depending on how strong you are, how hard you train, exercise selection, (lengthened biased movements will be more stimulative & more fatiguing both), rest periods, and other genetic factors you could grow from doing five sets per week for a muscle or you may need 20 sets a week. And it's up to you to figure that out. All that I'll say is this, I'm biased towards lower volumes and a massive black pill in this training industry is the fact that general volume recommendations are based on the average guy who doesn't train particularly hard, so if you're actually in the gym pushing to failure you probably don't need as much volume as you think.
I'm gone.
There’s 5000000 grifters in the fitness industry. The actual decent information gets drowned out
Because human physiology is extremely complicated with many factors involved, so you can't say anything with confidence unless the effect size is very large and we picked all that low hanging fruit decades ago.
It's incredibly advanced its just that decades of research literally ended up amounting to "Progressive overload and lift/run/whatever bro". You can buy the NSCA's CSCS certification textbook--it's THE resistance training cert for people who are into athletic training and even with a degree you still need the cert to be taken seriously when applying for jobs with sports teams. The entire book is basically a gigantic literature review + physiology of gains. It's just broscience supported by autistic levels of actual science
>low weights low reps = strength and high reps high intensity = hypertrophy but the difference isn't huge, do both
>cardio doesn't kill your gains as long as it's in moderation, but true professional level running/cycling/swimming shit will impair strength training
>protein good protein shakes good
>CICO is true to an extent but shit food changes the equation by fucing your metabolism and fat storage....so just eat healthy shit
>drink water buddy
>compounds for most lifts and isolation for fun and weak points
>eat big to get big
>sleep good
>etc
>being fat is bad
>48hrs rest for a muscle for max recovery, train a muscle 2-3 times per week, weekly volume 10-20 working sets per muscle...= PPL, U/L, SS, 5/3/1, etc
Everything in the world's most advanced strength training resource ended up to being the same shit as all memes I learned browsing here for 10+ years
Good experiential knowledge is good knowledge. Lifting is a tradition of sorts.
>take roids
Quality post
If you came from a different stem background you'd realize how lacking those studies really are. I'm sure they tried their best with what they head but the papers they cite are mediocre at best.
>Why is exercise science still so lacking?
It's not. It's just been figured out. There's nothing new to figure out. We know what is healthy.
For me it's Grace
Rat girl all the way for me.
Why do you need some homosexual in a lab coat to tell you to lift weights, when the Greeks figured everything out thousands of years ago?
Exercise science is a literal meme. Every "discovery" is just shit we intuitively know anyway.
the science was solved decades ago, now it's all pharmacymaxxing (state sponsored)
To do exercise science you need to be able to get a random sample of the population and force them to do something they don't like for a long period of time. The only institution that can do that is a conscription based army.
The US Army doesn't do consription anymore, and the Russian army is more interested in gay sex than controlled experiments.
>and the Russian army is more interested in gay sex than controlled experiments.
You misspelled US Navy.
It isn't. Exercise has been solved. Whether you want strength, size, speed, power, endurance, increased VO2 max, you name it, all the information is there. We know exactly how to achieve any and all of these things in incredibly efficient manners. The only people who think otherwise are usually people who attempt it but fail because of lack of discipline.
How come some athletic records have stood for decades with no progress, then? The world record in the mile was set like 40 years ago.
*24 years, my bad.
drugs better than soience
>we
no one knows except state athletes apparently
and it'll stay that way because of gatekeeper gays like you
so everyone will continue doing suboptimal workouts and we will keep having threads like this
>no one knows except state athletes apparently
Their knowledge isn't hidden. It's published in journals.
>and it'll stay that way because of gatekeeper gays like you
Black person I could give you direction to all the best information out there and you or other people would still say it's bullshit despite being asked to be spoonfed, confusing the handful of people that actually want to learn, then ask me to post body.
People gatekeep themselves.
>more gatekeeping
Because exercise is a lie. It can at best improve your nutrition by making you eat more, and shift your body's priority towards muscle while you ruin your organs.
Lift consistently.
If you wanna get strong, lift heavy ass weights.
If you wanna grow muscle, train near or to failure.
Because of the supplement industry
less monetary incentive because a small minority of people work out. pharmaceuticals - meaning 'pill science' rather than 'exercise science' is much more profitable.
the winds of business determine everything, including things that we explore as a human race. just how it is.
everyone forgot about planescape torment. it's sad
Steroid users screw up the data
We need the knowledge of the advanced natties, but we can't tell them apart from the intermediate juicers.