Why is it always like this bros? Not only in fitness but most domains. One guy who actually knows his shit(Starting Strength) in a sea of frauds and wannabes(Greyskull, Kinobody, PPL, Body Part Splits, etc.) and if you decide to ignore the frauds and wannabes and only listen to the knowledgeable guy you get called a homosexual, a cultist or seeking paternal figure.
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>One guy who actually knows his shit(Starting Strength
I wish I had an Aisha GF to lift for.
>TFW No Ctarl-Ctarl gf to bully and train you
FRANK ALLEN IS AN UNLIKABLE Black personFAFFOT
>actually knows his shit
>starting strength
If his method is superior, the best way to convince others is through the results the program provides. A better question is why are you so insecure that everyone is not doing the same routine as you.
i don't listen to anyone's who's unaesthetic
>t. I want my muscle that look good with my purse
He’s not strong for how fat he is either.
He's like 60
Not very bright, are you, kid?
(And probably not White either.)
I'm not a liftgay, im an athlete...but isn't the whole point of being a liftgay to actually look good?
skinnyfat cope
on gear
fat cope
TLDR
low effort
Sneed.
He doesn't look like a Hollywood actor, so he must be wrong...
translation: I only listen to people with a genetic profile thats considered conventionally attractive by the lowest common denominator of people.
sorry what did you say?
Dilate roidtroony
see
he looks like a fat frick, why should I listen to someone unhealthy?
seethe more dyels
1(one) lifter that doesn't look like complete shit, still has no muscle tone whatsoever lmfao
Sounds kinda like you're a homosexual seeking a paternal figure to me anon
He’s fat. People who look good never recommend programs like starting strength. Thus I’m not doing starting strength.
Serious question. Did you grow up without a father?
COMMENTS
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THE HATERSSSSSS
because low iq, emotional, culty, tards are the loudest people on the internet.
lmao we are in 2022 and there are people who are still doing SS, how strange is IST,if you do SS for the meme at least switch to BIIOsystem, that thing is anarcho-primitivist
The only thing hes right about is squatting everyday and he stole that from bulgarians.
zoomers prefer fake natties with ridiculous routines the same way every generation has fad routines instead of something real like starting strength
People hate it because its hard
they want it easy
>SS
>hard
>3 days a week
>3 lifts a day for 3x5
do better
t. has never done SS
Simple doesn't mean easy
I did SS as a 14 year old back in 2012 and switched it out for a harder routine with higher volume, more lifts, and a 5 day two weeks training schedule after a week of doing SS because even as a noob teenager I could tell it was an absolute meme of a routine designed for people with absolutely zero mental toughness
>did SS for a week
>decided it was too easy
Yeah, you and everyone else. Nobody who's actually done it for more than like six weeks has ever felt that way.
except you missed the part where I switched it out for something harder you drooling moron
Yes, SS is very easy the first week. It gets very hard very fast.
>filtered by squats and power cleans within a week
SAD!
the routine I swapped SS out for has all the same lifts as SS, with greater volume and more days a week. Most non-shit routines do
>had to add accesories, too dyel to get big from the big 3 alone
ngmi
>adding more work doesn’t make the routine harder
do SS cucks really?
Fricking around with eight different leg exercise is much easier than adding 5 lbs to your squat every workout.
>he doesn’t add 5lbs to his squat everyday whilst also fricking around with eight different leg exercises
lol stay weak my small friend
>>he doesn’t add 5lbs to his squat everyday whilst also fricking around with eight different leg exercises
Neither does anyone else. If you ever tried adding 5 lbs to your squat every workout for a little while the idea of doing accessory exercise in addition would pretty quickly leave your mind.
Yes, at the expense of slower progress.
There is no program that will take you from a 135x5 squat to a 335x5 squat faster than SS.
Fricking around with muh volume and muh accessories is a great way to avoid having to do that hard part.
you're making me want to do Starting Strength
go for it, enjoy falling for the biggest meme ever to grace this board
>the idea of doing accessory exercise in addition would pretty quickly leave your mind.
only if you’re a weakling
> absolutely zero mental toughness
I see you're still as moronic as you were when you're 14. Properly executed, SS and TM are some of the mentally hardest programs around. It is brutal setting a new squat 5RM every workout or every week once you're in the 400s or even 500s.
t. 510 x 5 squatter from SS and TM alone, it's been brutal
>once you’re in the 400 or 500’s
>SS
>starting strength
>400’s or 500’s
>starting
lol
c'mon dude Texas method is an intermediate program. as a newbie, even I know that
I got to 420 x 5 on SS. 510 x 5 on phase 1 and 2 TM.
>some of the mentally hardest programs around.
>It is brutal setting a new squat 5RM every workout or every week
>can't even handle eating food
you are autistic
Well I did handle eating the food, I just hated every moment of it
>you are autistic
Yes
I fricking hate male duckface and I can't understand why I am the only person that notices it in these frickers.
I was doing SS, but it scares me how controversial this program is. Should I just switch to something else?
It's only controversial with moronic zoomers and millennials who have a 130lb grindyass bench and 185 squat.
>but...but he's fat bruhs
That must be why he's running a business with franchise locations all over the globe and you're not.
SS hatred has been a staple shitpost since like 2010 since I started browsing IST and it turned me into a literal trex
Notice how stupid all the anti-SS posters are here.
The logic of the program is irrefutable. The best way to get bigger and stronger is add as much weight to your big lifts as efficiently as possible.
SS works the best for that, therefore it is the best program.
The biggest problem with the SS haters is that they think SS (the book) is just a program and don't realize that 99% of it is a textbook on lifting mechanics. They also don't realize there's another book, Practical Programming, all about programming that often directly contradicts what stupid claims that make from seeing some SS A/B template on Google images. And finally they think it's like SS for life, when SS when done correctly, even for the most generically endowed people, lasts maybe 8 months at the very top end.
If you told me I could triple to quadruple my lifts in 8 months, I'd be down for it regardless of how I looked at the other end. Getting that much contractile tissue in that short period of time is worth it regardless of the immediate resulting aesthetics; the rest can be ironed out via accessories and cutting as an intermediate
Anyway this entire board is obsessed with being weak dyels and uses 1/2/3/4 as if it's a good benchmark of strength, when any generically reasonable male will easily hit and surpass those numbers if they execute SS correctly and do so in the first 6 months of their lifting career
Starting strength is okay as a program from rank beginners to learn how to lift. The problem is that many people, including rip himself, try to get people to stay on it for longer than, say, two months. Even you are advocating for 8 months on the top end. Like, think about it, if you progress how you’re supposed to then you’ll have added 160 lbs to your bench and overhead press and 320 lbs to your squat and deadlift in 8 months. Good fricking luck. And if instead of successfully adding weight every time you’re failing reps and deloading like the book tells you to, well, that’s moronic too. Your body is not going to magically have a drastically improved response to the exact same stimulus. Failing reps is not part of any serious progression scheme.
Like I said, SS is fine for rank beginners, but everything is fine for people who’ve never lifted before. Might as well learn more than 4 lifts while you’re at it.
Also if you eat in a huge surplus like you’re supposed to you’re going to gain more fat than you need because doing 21 total weekly sets for your entire body is not much stimulus for growth.
based and reasonable take
You clearly haven't read Practical Programming because all of this is addressed. Rippetoe encourages you to stay on SS as long as possible because you'll progress faster as on a novice program than you will on an intermediate program. Of course once you're too advanced, you must progress, and the second literal half of Practical Programming is about that.
And adding 160 lbs to your bench and 320 to your squat/diddy as a rank novice is absolutely possible on 8 months. Consider an 18-year-old kid going from 150 lbs to 200 on the program. I personally increased my squat 300 lbs on the program.
If you start at 150 lbs benching 80 lbs for 5s and then, with just 8 months of 3x5 1.5 times per week, you progress all the way to 240 lbs for 5s, I would be extremely impressed. Increasing your bodyweight by 33% in 8 months is pretty ridiculous, but even if you pull that off, it’s still unbelievable bench progress. Do you have any examples of anyone actually doing that?
when you guys did SS how many calories were you eating per day?
The pushback against SS in recent years is largely from people actually having done SS.
SS was presented as the answer to everything, but the reality is that most people do not have adding weight to the bar no matter the cost as their primary goal for lifting. Many people, myself included, just got fat and accumulated various aches and pains from trying to force more weight on the bar.
The cultish behavior also makes it tough for people to move on, and many get stuck in a circle of doing SS, getting injured and taking a break from lifting only to later start SS again, getting injured again and so on. They get convinced that SS is the only way to make gains, and everything else is "silly bullshit" that doesn't work so they get scared of trying anything else.
Then once someone finally moves on from SS/TM and starts making progress without having to get fat or spend 45-90 minutes on 3 or 5 sets of squats they might sour a bit on the whole SS experience.
You got injured cuz youre a fricking moron, burger boi. Ive ben injurned plenty of times, always my fault dont blame a routine
Grinding out max effort squats 2-3x a week is a good way to accumulate some overuse injuries and other aches and pains.
>The best way to get bigger and stronger is add as much weight to your big lifts as efficiently as possible.
Except it's not. lololol
Ever notice that SS is criticized for not producing aesthetic muscles? Where in any of the book or program is it ever even hinted that SS is a bodybuilding program?
that makes a lot of sense. Woe to the sticky for misleading new fitizens. What novice bodybuilding program do you recommend? Should we just write our own programs?
1000, and yes its kgs :^)
Rip is a roidaroo too
>Rip is a roidaroo too
And muh fav tiktok/YouTube homosexual influencer would never use peds, no way.
Complete moron.
They atleast hit a 4pl8 bench. Imagine roiding and NOT hitting a 4pl8 bench
John Haack decimates you franky
Why don't you post your blood serum lipid levels and your blood pressure you fat fricks. Being fat is terrible for your health, doesn't matter how strong you are. Rippetoe looks like he'll keel over grabbing his chest if he walks up too many flights of stairs.
How fricking moronic do you have to be to not realize you can do whatever accessory lifts you want on the the SS program.
>“SS is shit, muh t-rex”
Do some fricking curls then what is stopping you.
Maybe they want to do the program?
https://startingstrength.com/training/why-will-you-not-do-the-program
I have a 1200lb total,
800lb squat
200lb deadlift (cause no volume)
200lb bench
His book is actually good at explaining the technique of the main compound lifts and it explains the underlying mechanisms well. SL is actually better for a beginner but should only be done for a few months
shart squats and shart cleans/snatches aren't right
>The Trip to Dallas
Weird how basically anyone who diverted from his compound based low rep range program actually starts looking good
Idiot. Most people don't look good at all much less weak people who frick around with accessories instead of lifting.
he literally looked much better in the before pictures before rippecuck got a hold of him.
that's saying something about a program, who would've known it was possible to make people look MUCH WORSE lifting weights lmao
I want to look good
I don't overly care about strength
I do some compounds for the ego fulfillment and to know that I'm not losing muscle.
We know too much about bodybuilding specific training and how it differs from strength training. You are neglecting certain parts of muscles with purely compounds.
How the frick is ppl fraud? I’m not saying it’s the best out their hut for people with limited schedules it’s pretty effective.
right, how can it be a fraud when its literally just a program structure that you can fill it with whatever you want
PPL for people with limited schedules? How is 6 days a week in the gym conducive to a limited schedule?
>have only 1 hour to spare after work
>3/4 days a week routine but 2 hours in the gym or 6 days a week PPL but only 1 hour in the gym
Hmmm
Sets of fahve will never make you look good it'll get you stronger but i won't beat the dismorphia with sets of fahve always good to change up routines between strenght and hypertrophy like every 6 months to break a stall but imo sl mogs ss
Very very low IQ post but I'll focus on the end because a few people have said it
>sl mogs ss
Why? Because power cleans are too le hard?
The other difference is SL has you start with just the bar, and also do 5x5, both of which are dumb.
>both of which are dumb.
not as dumb as paying real money to learn how to shart squat
You should both have a nice day
why?
God damn you are a moron
He went from like 170 to 240 and gained tons of muscle
But because he gained some fat you can't process that
You will look at some 150 lb twig and say he looks better than a powerlifter because leanness is all that matters in photos and your brain is too small to extrapolate beyond what is immediately in front of your eyse
this is what happens when you massively pile on weight in a short period of time for muh compounds
you turn into a fat moron
He's not that fat you moron. Do the math. Gained a huge amount of muscle.
>I don't think anyone actually does that would be months of wasted time
So then literally what is the difference? Just that you are shying away from SS because it is controversial? Did you also take the vax and bend the knee?
Eat shit gaygof I didn't take the "vax" and I shitpost irl
Because I actually did sl and got much much stronger and it's brain dead to follow and has zero involvement with rip who always brings out the worst threads on the board I'm going to add
>le power cleans
to my routine just because I wanna make you happy
Guess I just like it more I don't know what I'm talking about I've just avoided ss because everyone acts like an absolute Black person whenever it comes up didn't bother with the book didn't bother with the routine just another moronic fitizen who doesn't know what he's talking about move along I'll stop posting
>start with the bar
I don't think anyone actually does that would be months of wasted time
trips and Mark rapes your crush.
he is a cuck. he doesn't frick anyone
https://www.literotica.com/s/the-trip-home-3
>and you see my house for the first time. It is stone. Cold stone. I guide you towards my bed. There is an iron rafter at a height of about 9 feet above the room about 3 feet from the end of the bed.
A stone house. Rippetoe might be the only one in Texas with a stone house. He mentioned on his podcast how hard it was to get his stone house build because nobody ever did one. You can even see the iron rafters he mentioned in his erotica during the texas cafe videos.
About 1:03 into Starting Strength Radio 119 is where he talks about the construction process.
https://i.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=143119&page=bio
>Gender: Male
>Age: 41 to 50
>Weight: Average
>Height: Average
>Location: North Texas
Now, you may be thinking this is some IST meme from the early days. It is not. The first story did predate IST. IST wasn't even a board till 2008. The Starting Strength forums doesn't look like it was started before 2007, Starting Strength first edition wasn't published till 2005, and the third edition everyone knows was 2011.Finally, the description and images of his house only appeared in the last couple years on the podcast and texas cafe.
The OG evidence [email protected] associated with Rippetoe's website. Mark has fixed up this leak, but I don't think we need any more evidence. Case closed, we got him.
Know this info before the rippeshill report the post to try and have it memory holed faster than paddox.
rip doesn't control this board like his forum so he can't set filters and autobans for bringing up the truth here
why would he desperately try to hide this if it had zero basis in reality?
Show me one rippetoad besides his slave boy chase (who runs 531) that has good lifts.
I'll be waiting, waiting forever.
>he doesn't know about the blahino
You must feel fricking stupid, I unironically am doing ICF and feel great. I just switched out barbell shrugs for snatch high pull and lat raises (prescribed by Jason himself)
>rippetoe
>blaharino
Order 66 these fitness fools. Step aside for M' Lord Vader, who will get you huge like hindenberg. Do you want to NOT get fricking big and be 330lbs with veins and a six pack? Whatcha think about that Mark? You cookie cutter cuck.
Buy the Pisslords programming. We freaks
How come none of his trained lifters are in the elite of powerlifting or winning gold medals?
Chase would be considered elite if he competed and trained for PL, moron
Maybe because he's not a powerlifting or olympic weightlifting coach
Then what kind of a coach is he? High School P.E?
What's the end goal when training with him?
The entire SS brand targets older lifters. 40 and up. They even literally have a textbook written for lifting for old people. They make all their money on old people, the SS gym franchise has almost exclusively old clientele. Mark Rippetoe primarily targets old grandmas who can't get off the toilet anymore because they're so weak. That is his target demographic. He is not interested in Division I athletes or anything else like that.
This whole
> muh Rippetoe never produced a top athlete
Thing is so moronic. Division I high school drop out coaches have like 50 top athletes, and it's not because theyre good coaches or know what they're doing, it's because they have the best of the best genetically endowed athletes
He wants people to strength train, that's it
>So he specifically targets absolutely nothing and has useless programming? Got it.
He gets people strong, it's that simple. He doesn't think about how to get your bench from 500 to 550.
So he specifically targets absolutely nothing and has useless programming? Got it.
BTW, I should add the Ripplebreasts defense force will immediately default to
>SS is a beginner routine! Higher volume sets for advaaaanccecewaerad
Yeah sure. You still doing sets of five squats? Thought so. Good habits, which include conditioning your body and mind to higher volume sets, should be done AT THE BEGINNER LEVEL so that you are already used to it. If you transition to a program that has higher intensity/lower volume portions, it is piss easy for someone used to higher volume to do that than a 3x5 poverty squatter to adjust to higher volume.
You're really dumb and I bet your squat is shit.
this guy gets it.
matt wenning is helping broken old people too and has the credibility to go along with what he says instead of parroted information rippetoe stoke from bill star
> parroted information rippetoe stoke from bill star
You clearly have never read anything Bill Starr nor Mark Rippetoe has written. Mark Rippetoe's biomechanical analysis is ten thousand leagues ahead of any of the moronic shit Starr writes. Literally read a single page of SS, moron.
Ok since we're basically writing the same thing I'm going to go to sleep, Rippetoe Defense Force night shift can take it from here
its two autism german brothers. see
funny thing. rip banned them from the forum
Cant read anything Mark has written since he hasn't written anything :^)
SS/PP were from star
TM was pendlay and the influence wsb had on him
>biomechanical analysis is ten thousand leagues ahead of any of the
>shart snatch is superior to lasha's record
fricking jej. he ctrl+v'ed poir info
lasha doesn't pull the snatch like the bottom pic you colossal moron, in fact, no heavy snatches leave the floor like that
you snatch 0lbs
>no heavy snatches leave the floor like that
>bar already off the floor before his hips even get above parallel
here everyone, this is the moron that thinks rippetoe is god. reality is too hard for him to accept
you should probably kys now that your world view is shattered
what does his back angle look like at the jumping position?
IST is one of the dumbest boards by far
>parroted information rippetoe stoke from bill star
People who say this have never read Bill Starr and likely never read Rippetoe. Rippeteo pretty much created modern barbell training. Before him it was an esoteric and barely considered thing a handful of athletes and weirdos did.
Rip isn't trying to prove he's the best powerlifter ever, he's trying to be the best coach ever, yet he's trained:
Zero olympiads
Zero IPF Worlds competitors
Zero professional crosshitters
Zero strongmen of any level
Zero record holders in any sport
When was the last time you've even read someone of note thanking Ripplebreasts for his influence? His training method is shit. It teaches you bad programming habits early and most do not escape it because that early indoctrination is difficult to break, and """"graduating"""" to Texas Method is the same garbage.
>you can add whatever you want
Ironic that the Ripplebreasts defense force defaults to that argument when Ripplebreasts himself berates anyone who deviates from his programming and replies YNFTP, and regardless it doesn't fix the shit programming. For instance, ask any moron sucking Ripplebreasts wiener to do a set of eight on squat and you'll immediately be inundated with every cope reason of why it's a bad idea even though literally every single successful strength athlete that does squats has higher volume sets far more often than sets of 5x5 or 3x5.
Cause some want you to fail (non-ss starters) and some actually want you to have a good base of strength.
>t. 12 weeks of SS has mogged 8 weeks of 5/3/1 when was in my early twenties and whole junior/senior yr on PPL
>mark, how do I bail out of a squat?
>Don't, finish the rep
Whats a better alternative to SS then? It must not be some stupid tik tok/instagram influencer program either.
Tudor Bompa "Serious Strength Training"
They hate becuase they aint got gains and they're weak or something idk who cares? Sometimes im scrolling ((social media)) and seeing TONS of adds for f45, crossfit or maybe a roid troony pushing his shitty split routine and i think, maybe *im wrong* they've got so many people on board that it cant be everyones wrong and im right? Then I remeber I get gains and all those gays are fricking dyel af.
>do program
>it works
problem gays?
My boss played football in college (late 90s) and still holds the official squat record for his position at over 750 lbs. Even today (he is almost 50) he still squats over 600. This makes me think rippetoe is weak.
>rippetoe is weak.
yes
I do agree a 5x5 deadlift is enough for great results but your upper body will respond great to more volume even in your compound movements.
You should probably mention that those are geared lifts, ie. they're done in a lifting suit. And obviously he took steroids as someone else already pointed out.
Do I need gear to break into big numbers? My bench is 295 lbs, deadlift is 435 lbs, and can squat 405 lbs.
I really want to be strong but my progress is slow.
Hard to say, genetics are probably the biggest factor if someone is capable of big lifts.
I don't have any personal experience with lifting gear, but my understanding is that it can be tough to get the suit on and you'll want to have a training partner to help you out. Elitefts probably has some articles and videos regarding it.
he means toids tard
The Barbell Medicine crew (all ex- SS coaches) have destroyed the rationale behind the SS method and have exceeded Rips juice enhanced lifts. Case closed.
link?
They have not. Like many things Jordan and Austin have asserted, and with cultural relevance, for example their assertion that a man should be able to compete in a women's division or that "people who menstruate" are not exclusively women, they have yet to publish even the most basic empirical study that their methods are more or less effective than novice linear progression for beginners. Their most basic observation that "it doesn't matter because you're going to get stronger anyway" is something they can get away with, and all of their coaches, with their years of experience but a novice cannot, and it directly confirms what Rippetoe has said many, MANY times.
Rippetoe has done exactly one thing right: he turned the coaching of the basic barbell lifts into a method almost anyone can follow (and called it "Starting Strength"), and basically created a market for barbell training single-handedly. Everyone in this thread owes him a debt, you included.
Build a monument to Rippetoe. I won’t spit on it. I just think he’s outlived his usefulness and telling people to grind lifts, wait 15 minutes between sets, be ok with failing reps, need to deload, etc. is just counterproductive advice.
Rippetoe is wrong about many things, but he never claimed that SS was anything other than the beginning of someone's progression and the deload/deload is the offramp.
I do think he's showing his age though. I can't listen to him anymore because he's a dogmatic, stupidly aggressive butthole who won't shut up about "the war on death". That fricking thread on the forums is an echo chamber for "megadittoes" from Rip's admirers. He doesn't seem to realize he's surrounded himself with whiny sycophants, and after that Reynolds worship session I was convinced he saw through all that...
>single-handedly
If Rippetoe hadn’t affiliated early on with Crossfit (he was their “subject matter expert”) no one would have ever heard of the dude.
Another reason to hate CrossFit.
Maybe. He wanted to turn it into one thing, and the other guy (the winner) wanted to turn it into the First Church of Crossfit, Incorporated. In the end, Rippetoe walked away rather than try to run away with someone else's idea, and created his own thing. Now he's worried about his retirement and "legacy".
Imagine thinking the israelite feigenbaum isn't roiding.
Didn’t say Feigenbaum wasn’t roiding, but we know Rip was, so Feigenbaum juicing can’t excuse Rip from being out lifted.
>PPL bad