Absolute garbage guides.
They're obsessed with full ROM when all you should do to get good at them is partials at the top. Just do partials everyday, dont listen to muh deadhang morons, they're twigs.
I went from not being able to do more than 5 to 3 sets of 8 in less than a month.
That's the whole solution, doing progressive overload with ROM instead of resistance.
>relatively
yeah. i was an actual twig back in highschool, never did anything physical and could still do like 12 full pull ups. then i became fat and now working out for 8 months and still can barely do like 4.
>actual twig
what was your height and bodyweight bro
Relative strength transcends size. People prefer cars with good gas mileage. Investors prefer stocks with good roi.
If you were smaller back then, you still had more strength/lb. So your body was more efficient. Now you're heavier and your body's strength efficiency has gone down.
There is a sweetspot with gaining muscle that would have put you from 12 to 24 pull ups. But you gained too much muscle and fat and now you can only do 4.
So obviously being a twink forever isn't the answer, but more people should aim for the muscle mass sweet spot that puts their relative strength and body efficiency closer to max
this is correct. i used to be 115 lbs @ 5'3 and could do 8 pullups. now i'm 140lbs @ 5'3 and can do 15 pullups. before i'd struggle to do 3x8, now i can do 3x10 at the end of my workout
Black person how can you be 40 something kilograms at 6'2? You should be able to do a million chin ups. The wind should blow you like a kite.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You still need to actually use your body and preferably practice the movement pattern. I could do ~9 pullups in high school at 5'11" 56 kg, but then couldn't even do 1 after years of being very sedentary at 50 kg.
You're fricking moronic. Partials are most effective when the muscle is in the stretched position, which is at the bottom. Just think about how you would do partials on a lat pulldown.
this is me.
started spamming these every session and in just a month my dbellcurls went from 8kg (18lbs) to 17kg (38lbs) for reps. I struggle to get them off the floor because I don't train legs lmao.
You're fricking moronic. Partials are most effective when the muscle is in the stretched position, which is at the bottom. Just think about how you would do partials on a lat pulldown.
You're fricking moronic. You heard about stretched position being "most effective" from some gay ass youtuber, but missed the part when he referred to hypertrophy, not getting stronger in a completely different phase of a movement. The sticking points of a pull up occur midway and near the top, of course doing partials and pauses in those regions is good.
t. never done a single proper pull up in entire life
>yeah bro spend 8 hours greasing the groove with full ROM
Dumb homosexual, my pull ups are full rom and I trained them by doing halfies.
The workout goes like this
3x8 full ROM supinated/neutral grip
3x8 wide grip partials
3x12 chin up partials
That's how you stimulate your back when you can do less than 6 pull ups.
I forgot to say, that partials depend on your weak point
i.e: you struggle to finish the rep, or you struggle out of the bottom
>you struggle to finish the rep, or you struggle out of the bottom
depending on that you change your partials' ROM.
It's really not different from isometric holds but more engaging and I've found to be more effective because I'm actually working on pulling through that weak point over and over
Yeah, you cucks never go outside the box, so you dont know, but pin presses with the bar around 2.5 inches away from your chest will improve your bench a LOT.
And same thing with pull ups
Thinking like this is very narrow minded, and inefficient. Pull up is a compound movement utilizing your body as a unit, so simple but so effective, obsessing with form is the reason you can get strong with it.
t. never done a single proper pull up in entire life
I don't think there exists a single youtube video of a fatass going from zero to twenty pull ups with bands, lat pulldowns or any of the horseshit mentioned in this thread.
The key takeaway of what I said is doing progressive overload with ROM.
I also havent said that partials are meant to fit your sticking point, in my case was the upper range of motion, as my lats were strong enough but when the upper back muscle had to take over, I always got stuck, so partials are like an isolation lift for your weak positions
I didnt clarify because for 90% of people, the sticking point is the same.
Only skinny people have an upper back that can keep up with the lats "naturally" (it's just being light)
Shit and unscientific take. By doing this you’ll just up your numbers and get an ego boost, but the actual studies show that the best way to build strength and hypertrophy is mechanical tension in the stretched position of the muscle. Which happens at the bottom of full ROM pull ups.
If you can’t do a pull up, the best way would be to do really slow and control eccentrics until you reach dead hang and repeat. Not partial ROM of the upper part of the lift.
Put it like this : do you want to actually progress or just brag on IST about your pull ups numbers ?
>the best way would be to do really slow and control eccentrics until you reach dead hang and repeat.
How do you know this, personal experience, have you witnessed this?
Hold up, I've got a pewdiepie clip that completely crushes your argument cause I'm incapable of coming up with any proof on my own. Let me find it real quick.
Doing partials is the best way to get better. Do sets of partials:
1) at the bottom (i.e. scapula pull-ups)
2) at the top
3) at the middle (probably the hardest to isolate as there's no preferable starting position)
These make doing full ROM pullups easier. What's so hard to understand?
>relatively
yeah. i was an actual twig back in highschool, never did anything physical and could still do like 12 full pull ups. then i became fat and now working out for 8 months and still can barely do like 4.
Relative strength transcends size. People prefer cars with good gas mileage. Investors prefer stocks with good roi.
If you were smaller back then, you still had more strength/lb. So your body was more efficient. Now you're heavier and your body's strength efficiency has gone down.
There is a sweetspot with gaining muscle that would have put you from 12 to 24 pull ups. But you gained too much muscle and fat and now you can only do 4.
So obviously being a twink forever isn't the answer, but more people should aim for the muscle mass sweet spot that puts their relative strength and body efficiency closer to max
This is so true. I am 91kg now and muscled/buff and i definitely can only force 1w pullups, while at 80kg i did them for cooldown.
Then again i can deadlift 200kg and pulldown 1.25 bodyweight
I think if we did a study It'll show that the best aesthetically pleasing physique will be at a person's peak relative strength.
That's why calisthenics athletes are so aesthetically pleasing, they're not huge, but not small either, lean and insanely strong for their bodyweight. That should be the goal we all strive for
Corrrect. Of the physiques posted on IST, two stick out the most. One requires cardio, the other requires roiding. IST will never achieve either because they will not do either.
stupid. the problem is being fat not having too much muscle.
and if you are 250 lbs of muscle and can only do 8 you are still functionally stronger in every way than some weak twerp who convinces himself he is better because he can do 15 chins. who cares. they don't matter
strength is your ability to move your body, but moreso, to move things outside your body. relative strength means nothing for that second item.
dyels on here have made me hate this perfectly good exercise with their constant crowing about it
Since muscle is heavier than fat and strength depends a lot on the CNS,it make senses that training for max strength/hypertrophy leads to little endurance on bodyweight exercises
extrapolate that idea to distance running and sprinting - distance running > sprinting because speed per lbs and endurance per lbs is miles better in distance runner twig guys...
now, does this idea of "relative strength" still make sense? no, its moronic >ib4 I will die on this hill, so it does
also >Relative strength transcends size
pegs manlet as the superior form
>you have to be strong to do these >literal dyels can do this >so this means dyels are stronger than powershitters
This entire board is so frickin moronic and makes social presence such an important topic. Why the frick do you guys care so much about social media shits?
Anon anyone who makes posts like this looks like shit in some way or another and is seething about the sour grapes they dont have. Youre probably replying to some 140lb twig.
because everything at the gym and on IST revolves around squat bench and diddly + maybe ohp which do NOT include any back exercise. Also
t. 12 years of pull ups/chin ups whatever ups
Relative strength transcends size. People prefer cars with good gas mileage. Investors prefer stocks with good roi.
If you were smaller back then, you still had more strength/lb. So your body was more efficient. Now you're heavier and your body's strength efficiency has gone down.
There is a sweetspot with gaining muscle that would have put you from 12 to 24 pull ups. But you gained too much muscle and fat and now you can only do 4.
So obviously being a twink forever isn't the answer, but more people should aim for the muscle mass sweet spot that puts their relative strength and body efficiency closer to max
Remember that people think it's impressive if someone who weighs 225lbs can bench 2pl8s
I weigh 135 kg and I can do 8 pull-ups just one set , then it kinda gets pathetic after the first set. I’m a little fat, but I could always do them naturally. I don’t look particularly muscular either and people are surprised when I
Do em
I'm 6'3", 185 pounds and can do 15 pull-ups, full ROM and controlled with no kicking.
Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses. My back is pretty "ripped" bit my bench press is pretty weak, at least on my opinion (60 lb dumbells on a flat bench for 12 usually).
That being said, any powerlifter could knock me out with one punch, even if he can't do a single pull-up. They're still watching stronger.
I didn't say anything about fighting. I was pointing out that a dude that weighs 240 pounds with 25% bodyfat is still going to knock out a guy that weighs 185 pounds at 15% bodyfat, simply because the fat guy has so much more mass behind his punch.
it isnt, >full range of motion >all the way to your chest >hold at the top.
I guarantee unless you weight under 200lb, pull ups are decently hard if you do them properly
hurr durrr still easy >ok add some weights then
i'm 6'5", 250lbs, 25%bf and can do 3 pullups right now.
Been practicing asissted pullups/chinups, regular pullups for like 2 months and working out for 4.
The guy literally said pullups/chinups pedantic dweebs. > Been practicing asissted pullups/chinups, regular pullups for like 2 months and working out for 4.
I'm so fricking glad I'm not short. I'd rather be able to do zero pullups and be tall than be a manlet and have to look up at women like I'm a child for my entire life.
>I'd rather be able to do zero pullups and be tall than be a manlet and have to look up at women like I'm a child for my entire life.
You can get shoes and inserts to boost your height, wienersucker. I'm at eye level with women, it makes things more intimate than looking down at them like some big moronic giant.
You're not doing weighted pull ups or dips either man. That's just some fattie excuse right there. Sorry. It is what it is. Any serious about fitness organization (eg special forces) or sports training will most definitely have some bodyweight exercises. Why do you pretend you're above it somehow
I think it's too humbling for guys. Nobody wants to be that guy who gets caught doing 1 to 3 pull ups. But that's how you start. Gotta build the strength for them. Also too many guys are power fat. Being fat in combination with untrained in pull ups will make you look even more embarassing
> Nobody wants to be that guy who gets caught doing 1 to 3 pull ups
Honestly this. See so many people doing 15 half-reps when really they could do a few solid full ROM sets of 4-5 and improve much faster. But for some reason normies seem obsessed with high reps for this exercise when most people just aren’t there yet.
its just so Third World-looking.
Like UN worker handed out clothes while you were in line for a bowl of gruel.
You finally stopped swinging around like a monkey. Good job.
Also I agree about the black socks. Black socks are for shoes and trousers. White socks for trainers and shorts. Looks much better and less like you're missing a pair of trousers/pants.
I know it's not a fashion show but you gotta at least look half decent in public. People will recognize and judge you.
He has a different little outfit in every video.
homies worry more about my gym clothes than their own PRs
>bro, you look like a dirty slob >"you just wanna have sex with me, gayboi"
ok then
4 months ago
Anonymous
Then why do you care about another man's fashion? in the gym of all places
4 months ago
Anonymous
because people walking around in public looking like dirty slobs is another reason this country is circling the toilet.
I bet you wear pajamas to walmart
4 months ago
Anonymous
shorts and black socks?
really?
You finally stopped swinging around like a monkey. Good job.
Also I agree about the black socks. Black socks are for shoes and trousers. White socks for trainers and shorts. Looks much better and less like you're missing a pair of trousers/pants.
I know it's not a fashion show but you gotta at least look half decent in public. People will recognize and judge you.
>Look at me guy's im a homosexual!! He's wearing BLACK SOCKS with SHORTS!?!?! My GAWWWDDD. What a lack of FASHION SENSE. BLACK SOCKS.
Actually I don't think even gays would care about this
4 months ago
Anonymous
British people are fricking homos, Jesus Christ.
[...]
Terminal autism. Probably inoperable as well.
>People will recognize and judge you.
Gymcels are not people.
If you don't see how wearing long black socks with trainers and shorts in public looks bad, then you're the autist.
You can always tell a loser/nerd by how they dress. It might seem gay or feminine to care about how you look, but there are these tiny little things that they do that make them look lame.
Another thing is never wearing any israeliteelry, watch, necklaces at all. You give off the impression of a teenager who's still being dressed by their parents going out like that.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I only own low cut black socks that I wear with minimalist shoes.
I use a $15 digital casio watch.
Jewellery is gay.
You are gay.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>I GOTTA ACCESSORIZE UGGGHHHHH IM GONNA ACCESSORIZE OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH IM ACCESSOOOOOOOOORIZINGGGGG AAAAAAAAAHHHH
4 months ago
Anonymous
rate my todays IST
4 months ago
Anonymous
You look exactly like the kind of person I expect to lurk IST, but stronger
4 months ago
Anonymous
Looks fine. Everything fits well which is the most important thing. A goofy sock design is perfectly fine, I just think thin black socks are formal dress socks and they look weird mixed with athletic clothes. Like wearing shorts with a shirt and tie or wearing smart shoes with shorts. I think it's possible to make it work though if everything else goes with it.
I only own low cut black socks that I wear with minimalist shoes.
I use a $15 digital casio watch.
Jewellery is gay.
You are gay.
Call me gay all you like. Style is just as important than fitness for attracting women. You can look like Brad Pitt but if you dress like shit what girl would like to be seen with you? If you have a nerdy style, you're a nerd doesn't matter how much you lift.
Think about it girls constantly wear makeup, form fitting revealing clothing, Instagram filters and take thousands of selfies a year. Why not just do the same shit? Ive only just begun to take them on at their own game
4 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine caring about your outfit in a gym. Holy shit. Do you also put on make up?
Even worse. Imagine caring about another man's outfit in the gym. Youre such a fricking homosexual
4 months ago
Anonymous
You’re actually being a dumb homosexual. I picked up a lot of women wearing a ripped up pikachu t shirt at the gym.
I’ve literally never worn israeliteelry either because it’s pretty gay and boomer tier, a gold chain just makes you look like a greasy car salesman from an 80s movie. >side tangent >anyone who’s worked around machines knows how stupid it is to wear israeliteelry as a man, and no, I’m not a mechanic or anything it’s just the same reason I don’t wear a tie, I might unexpectedly need to work on a vehicle or machine and I might unexpectedly get into an altercation, no need to add a choke point or crushed finger
what kind of boomer homosexual wears a watch in the age of sail foams anyways? Are you pretending you don’t have your phone with you? The only people who wear watches are people working in labs or places they can’t bring a phone (don’t try to lie, everyone knows you carry your phone regularly). I wear a cheap citizen with nato band when in a situation I can’t use a phone.
You sound like you don’t get any women because you’re actually the autist in this situation, goofy socks probably bangs edgy art hoes with bpd.
I only own low cut black socks that I wear with minimalist shoes.
I use a $15 digital casio watch.
Jewellery is gay.
You are gay.
>casio
Don’t wear the cheap casio in public dude. I mean, I get it, I used one as a field watch when I was a zogbot, but it actually does make you look like a child.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Ah I just double checked and I actually have a $15 digital armitron, not a casio. Good thing, you had me worried that I might in fact be a child.
You finally stopped swinging around like a monkey. Good job.
Also I agree about the black socks. Black socks are for shoes and trousers. White socks for trainers and shorts. Looks much better and less like you're missing a pair of trousers/pants.
I know it's not a fashion show but you gotta at least look half decent in public. People will recognize and judge you.
You finally stopped swinging around like a monkey. Good job.
Also I agree about the black socks. Black socks are for shoes and trousers. White socks for trainers and shorts. Looks much better and less like you're missing a pair of trousers/pants.
I know it's not a fashion show but you gotta at least look half decent in public. People will recognize and judge you.
Damn. Impressive. I can see your arms are doing miost of that work, too, which nakes it even crazier.
Your back is narrow. If youre doing this for physique purposes, try chinups (palms supinated) and make sure to get a good stretch at the bottom - dont lose tension or go dead hang, but fully extend at the bottom. That might help activate the lats to do some of the pulling.
Pull-ups and dips are my main lifts and I hate this thread with passion.
The sheer amount of cope and "informed opinions" on ROM, "partials", "half reps", the body composition, race, and height need to do a single pull-up, calling pull-ups a meme, comparing pull-ups to lat pulldowns, etc.
Just got back from a 3 day ban and I think I should get banned again just so that I'm not tempted to open IST.
>Nobody wants to be that guy who gets caught doing 1 to 3 pull ups
Noticed this as well. Pull-ups are fantastic for back gains, but progression can be slow - especially if you are starting off as a chunky monkey.
>Being fat in combination with untrained in pull ups will make you look even more embarassing
Yep. But less embarrassing than being weak and fat every day. Up to 5 now, 3 kipped. Working with an 80 lb handicap
It requires insane amounts of effort and patience. It took me a year to do my first one, then a couple to raise it to 5.
Granted I wasn't lifting consistently, but it's a mental thing, almost, plus it requires strong scapular muscles, strong wrists, strong forearms... Most people aren't used to that
>. It took me a year to do my first one,
you mean it took you a year to work up the motivation to start doing them right? no wya you took a year to get to one pullup
Something like that, I wasn't keeping track, also >bar was outside at a very inconvenient place >hands constantly getting blisters which set me back >always unsure about what to do, trying out rows, scapular, band asissted, negatives(...)
Perhaps it was faster, but still
Not him but I did my first pullup at 26 after almost a year at the gym, started as a skinnyfat lanklet with very weak upper body. Just because a movement was easy for you at the start doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. The thing that worked for me was the lever pulldown machine. Gradually worked up to slightly over bodyweight on that and voila, pullups
Try keeping your scapula retracted. Contrary to what people are moronic enough to believe, relaxing your scapula and hanging does not make the exercise any more effective.
pullups gave me wide lats and decent thickness in the midback, they should be in EVERY routine regardless of goal, calisthenics have a place for everyone
Try varying the weight and reps a bit. Have some sessions where you do less reps with a bit more weight, and some where you do more reps with less weight. Try "greasing the groove", where you do smaller sets (say 2-3 reps) but more of them, spaced out through the day; you can get way more total volume this way. Try using partial reps to specifically train the part of the movement that is hardest for you (for most people this is the top, actually getting the bar below your chin and ideally to your chest).
I second this. Train it like a main strength lift, not an endurance bullshit exhaustion lift.
Slowly, over time icnrease volume. But no kipping and stop going to failure. That just reduces the overall volume you need to do. Also, be well rested between each set. Like a full 3-5 minutes to recharget ATP.
I can do a +100lb neutral grip pullup @200ish lbs bodyweight but my rep is my chin going over the bar, not to chest. Ofc no kipping. Pull/chin ups only seem to be a filter online, irl the standard is just no kip+chin over bar.
During lockdown I'd put 25kg on a belt and take as many sets as necessary to get to 30 reps. I'd manage something like 9-6-4-4-3-2-2. It got me to doing 32.5kg for 3x5 but it was incredibly intense. I'd do that in the morning and I'd be wiped for the rest of the day pretty much. Nothing takes it out of me more than pullups.
Because grip strength is more important than a lot of people want to admit and very few people do any exercises that sufficiently improve their grip strength to properly do pull ups.
pull ups are the biggest meme for weak homosexuals, arguably only second to SS. A girl can train to do 5 pull ups in 6 months. The same girl who benches 95 lb and deadlifts 255 lb. Ask any "Pull up enthusiast" his bench/squat/deadlift and prepare to fricking laugh. The kids are 150 lb and essentially doing cardio. It's like a 130 lb guy bragging about running a mile under 7 minutes. No shit, guy. You're a fricking feather. Doesn't change the fact you look literally DYEL.
>waa waa fat cope!!!!!!!!!
I stopped doing pull ups when I could do 10 dead hang at 200 lb (12% bf)
10 pullups with those stats is truly pathetic, you should be ashamed of yourself. >thinking a sub 7 minute mile is impressive
LOL, I can run a 5:45 mile at 185lbs
And I can run a 2:02 800m slow fricking homosexual. You entirely missed the point. You’re bragging about a DOGSHIT feat. And pull ups are a fricking meme. There’s a reason I bench 365 and deadlift 605 and you lift literally half that.
One of the dozen machines that lets you stretch the lats with weight??
Jesus Christ no wonder everybody on this board looks like dogshit. Imagine asking “how to train chest without push ups???????” Because that’s how fricking moronic you sound
>One of the dozen machines that lets you stretch the lats with weight??
I tried then all. Only the lat pulldown machine works and that's fixed with overhand grip and I can never hold correct form with the final reps. Push exercises seem much more natural to lat exercises. I really should be asking these questions over at r/fitness as they give real replies.
contrary to what IST will tell you, most people can absolutely not do a pullup on their first day in the gym unless they're already athletic. it's rather humbling having to do assisted and negative reps, so many just don't bother
I think chins activate the lats more because of the rotated humerus - it pulls more on where the lats insert so there is more of a stretch at the bottoms. The diff is slight, but I think it makes a difference.
so for what reasons should I do pull-ups then if I’m a DYEL? I can do a few but I feel like the form is lacking and I’m not sure if there’s any reason to do them if I’m too weak to get enough volume/ROM from doing them
I like doing ring pullups and neutral-grip pullups, but don't really do bar chinups because I find the top position uncomfortable. I think pullups probably carry over more directly to real-world activities like climbing. That's it for me, though.
I thought everyone can do these? I grew up in a part of the world where people are more related to chimpanzees. We can all do pull ups really easily over here. My grandparents does them hanging from trees, they think the new generation is weak for using perfectly straight/smooth bars.
5*10 is actually pretty difficult for pullups depending on rest time. It means you can probably do 18-20 in a single set. I would say when you can do 10 very clean pullups do some days where you do low reps higher weight and than other days where you just go high reps. I can do 25 bw and 2 with 40kg added at 80 kg btw.
id say once you reach 15 reps of BW. i think thats when i started adding weight and went straight to like +10 kg for few reps. that was like 10 years ago tho so i dont really remember. 5x10 with short rest periods would be overkill imo
I can do one chin up with a bit of swinging my knees then i have to wait a minute to have the energy to do another. Outside of using a band I don't know what to do.
>Every day?
1 - 3 times a week depending on your fitness level like any other exercise. And you don't have to do those exact numbers, just fewer reps = more sets. I also do them from absolute deadhang because I consider the initial scapular retraction part of the lift.
And don't have a nice day on the first sets. Instead of doing 6,5,3,2,2 with many ugly reps, do 5x4 and last set amrap. You will progress faster and with greater confidence.
I'm so fricking close bros. It's like I can get myself halfway up from a deadhang and get myself to the top from a halfway start, just need to combine the two. Just a couple more weeks and I WILL do a pull-up.
Yes. IMO ideal pullup form is starting each rep from a full deadhang, touching your chest to the bar at the top, and keeping your legs and core in a fixed position throughout the rep (no squirming or kicking the legs up for momentum).
I can rep out 10 of these for 2-3 sets jaw over the bar. But i cant get the chest to touch the bar, im incredibly weak in that end position. How to train it?
Partial reps. Start at the top with your chest touching the bar, lower down til your nose is at bar height, then pull up from there and repeat. If that is too hard you can use any of the normal progression tools (negatives, band assistance). Strength is to some degree specific to the range of motion in which you train it.
Makes sense. I don't do bar chinups, but doing preacher curls, or standing barbell curls around my 5RM made my elbows hurt for days. If you don't want to do pronated-grip pullups, you could try ring pullups or neutral-grip pullups?
>only skinny manlets can do pullups or dips
Weak bullshit. I'm over 6ft and 210lbs, I can do 5 or 6 pullups with a 20lb weight. I couldn't even do half a rep for months at first, you just have to grind out negatives and get stronger through rows and lat pulldowns. It took me well over a year to get here, but just saying you can't ever do pullups because you're 'too muscular' is absolute rubbish.
I can rep out 10 of these for 2-3 sets jaw over the bar. But i cant get the chest to touch the bar, im incredibly weak in that end position. How to train it?
Where's everyone's point of failure? Logically the bottom should be the hardest part but thats never where I fail. I always fail near the top, just an inch or two before getting my chin over the bar. For reference I can do 20 reps from a dead hang without weight, 5 reps with 80lbs added
at the bottom the only point of failure is grip
from deadhang most of the motion is actually a disguised version of swinging your legs and requires not much effort
if you see ppl give up at the bottom is cos they dont have the balls to try for another rep
Absolute garbage guides.
They're obsessed with full ROM when all you should do to get good at them is partials at the top. Just do partials everyday, dont listen to muh deadhang morons, they're twigs.
I went from not being able to do more than 5 to 3 sets of 8 in less than a month.
That's the whole solution, doing progressive overload with ROM instead of resistance.
It happens because the lats are stronger than the upper back muscles
I used to struggle with pull ups and chin ups, but figured out how to max out.
I used to be a zogbot marine, the physical fitness test (pft) was based on pull ups/chin ups, 3 mile run, and sit ups, max score was 300 and reps were; >20 dead hang pull up/chin up >18 min 3 mile >100 sit ups in 2 min
Every pull up was worth 5 points and I was stuck at 10 reps but maxing everything else out. I was pissed I couldn’t get the 300 points on the pft and kept getting sent to remedial pt every saturday.
I realized that I kept getting stuck just below the point where my arms bend, that was my sticking point. I started working preacher bench really heavy, got up to one pl8 on the curl bar after a while. Pull ups shot up to like 30 reps. I was easily knocking out multiple sets of 10 with a 75lbs Alice pack on.
I still, to this day, over 15 years later can rep out 30 wide grip dead hangs because of the preacher bench.
So my advice to pull uplets would be to train your arms.
Its not even about fat its about bodyweight.
You only use lats and a little bit of your arms to lift up the rest of your body up basically.
Say you have 100kg muscle in your legs hypothetically (obvious exaggeration), you couldn't make use of them but it isn't fat.
As a beginner you cant do them then you learn how to do them and then you cant do them again the more advanced you get and the more muscle you have (unless you get stuck at a low bodyweight)
Well Im 260lbs and I can probably do about 5 or 6
I dont do them because I prefer to rep out the lat pulldown instead
Just trying to explain it to people the more you weight, the harder they become, regardless of fat%
its bullshit. people in the sub 70kg category are pretty much capped at +100kg, 70 to 80 +110kg seems to be the top. above 90 kg there are people pulling +115kg and above. there is a severe diminishing compared to other lifts but the muscles still help you. Unless you mean unweighted pull ups then nobody gives a frick but you might be right
>all these coping homosexual replies
If you can't bang out at least a dozen dead hang pullups regardless of your weight
I don't give a frick what you think about anything related to fitness
Anyone looking to increase their pullup numbers: grease the groove.
I've been doing pullups for years, but I would always gas out at 10-12 (first set, full ROM). I started doing 5 pullups constantly throughout the day. I can now consistently hit 15-17 pullups on my first set after using this method for 3 months.
When I grease the groove, I aim for a set every 45-75 minutes, for most of the day, up to 5-6 days a week. /Way/ more volume than just doing 3-5 max rep sets 3 days a week.
16 chin-ups and 0 pull-ups checking in.
My pulldown numbers keeping rising, tho, so surely the breakthrough can't elude me forever. I have a feeling that 2024 will be the year for my first pull-up. It can't keep getting away with this.
I was hardcore into calisthenics while in college. Got up to doing 3 sets of 5 with 90lbs on a belt.
I maintained 170 bw pretty much the whole time. I still have no clue where that strength came from aside from just my nervous system being used to to the motion.
I used to struggle with pull ups and chin ups, but figured out how to max out.
I used to be a zogbot marine, the physical fitness test (pft) was based on pull ups/chin ups, 3 mile run, and sit ups, max score was 300 and reps were; >20 dead hang pull up/chin up >18 min 3 mile >100 sit ups in 2 min
Every pull up was worth 5 points and I was stuck at 10 reps but maxing everything else out. I was pissed I couldn’t get the 300 points on the pft and kept getting sent to remedial pt every saturday.
I realized that I kept getting stuck just below the point where my arms bend, that was my sticking point. I started working preacher bench really heavy, got up to one pl8 on the curl bar after a while. Pull ups shot up to like 30 reps. I was easily knocking out multiple sets of 10 with a 75lbs Alice pack on.
I still, to this day, over 15 years later can rep out 30 wide grip dead hangs because of the preacher bench.
So my advice to pull uplets would be to train your arms.
>Why is this movement such a fricking filter?
i have never not being able to do these, ever since kinder garden, the question is, to be an ape and not be able to lift oneself, it's like being a vegan cat
>be me >go to my hometown for extend holidays >hit the gym with buddies after not going for 3 days while eating and drinking like a hog >do 20 push ups, 6 pull ups and 10 chinups >feeling like shit, they should have been 25-8-12 >people treat me like I'm sam sulek or some shit
Absolute garbage guides.
They're obsessed with full ROM when all you should do to get good at them is partials at the top. Just do partials everyday, dont listen to muh deadhang morons, they're twigs.
I went from not being able to do more than 5 to 3 sets of 8 in less than a month.
That's the whole solution, doing progressive overload with ROM instead of resistance.
Most of IST is fat and can't do them.
>partials
>8 whole pull ups
This guy is fat.
>This guy is fat.
Yeah, and I got muh pull ups down.
What does your green text mean anyway?
what's your height and bodyweight bro
>actual twig
what was your height and bodyweight bro
this is correct. i used to be 115 lbs @ 5'3 and could do 8 pullups. now i'm 140lbs @ 5'3 and can do 15 pullups. before i'd struggle to do 3x8, now i can do 3x10 at the end of my workout
>what was your height and bodyweight bro
i was about 6.2 at 110lbs. yeah.
assuming not b8, good work eating out of auschwitz mode
Black person how can you be 40 something kilograms at 6'2? You should be able to do a million chin ups. The wind should blow you like a kite.
You still need to actually use your body and preferably practice the movement pattern. I could do ~9 pullups in high school at 5'11" 56 kg, but then couldn't even do 1 after years of being very sedentary at 50 kg.
>i was about 6.2 at 110lbs. yeah.
these are the posts I come here for
>5’3”
It’s over bros
5’4”@ 247lbs what’s your point exactly?
my point is that i gained weight while gaining strength to do more pullups.
>what's your height and bodyweight bro
I'm 5'8 85kg
bost baginea
>5’3
Omg lol you must look hilarious. I love seeing buff short guys in public. Just reeks of desperation and looks comical.
>52kg
you're a girl, right?
Nice bait bro
How big are those partials? Because there's a difference between basically doing curls atop the bar and going down but not really reaching dead hang.
As low as you can go without sacrificing reps
>basically doing curls atop the bar
this is me.
started spamming these every session and in just a month my dbellcurls went from 8kg (18lbs) to 17kg (38lbs) for reps. I struggle to get them off the floor because I don't train legs lmao.
holuy shit is thatp ictuer REAL???
You're fricking moronic. Partials are most effective when the muscle is in the stretched position, which is at the bottom. Just think about how you would do partials on a lat pulldown.
You're fricking moronic. You heard about stretched position being "most effective" from some gay ass youtuber, but missed the part when he referred to hypertrophy, not getting stronger in a completely different phase of a movement. The sticking points of a pull up occur midway and near the top, of course doing partials and pauses in those regions is good.
Anyone doing partials is just coping for reps everyone judges you by the ROM on pull ups
>yeah bro spend 8 hours greasing the groove with full ROM
Dumb homosexual, my pull ups are full rom and I trained them by doing halfies.
The workout goes like this
3x8 full ROM supinated/neutral grip
3x8 wide grip partials
3x12 chin up partials
That's how you stimulate your back when you can do less than 6 pull ups.
I forgot to say, that partials depend on your weak point
i.e: you struggle to finish the rep, or you struggle out of the bottom
>you struggle to finish the rep, or you struggle out of the bottom
depending on that you change your partials' ROM.
It's really not different from isometric holds but more engaging and I've found to be more effective because I'm actually working on pulling through that weak point over and over
t. never done a single proper pull up in entire life
>all you should do to get good at them is partials at the top.
he hasn't taken the lengthened partial pill
Who the frick recommends deadhangs for getting better at pullups? Thats like recommending standing to get better at squats
I think he meant going all the way to a dead hang at the end of each rep
Oh. Yeah that makes more sense
>just half rep bro
>I went from not being able to 1.5pl8 bench to repping 2pl8 like it's cool by just half repping
>I MOG you
lol
lmao even
Yeah, you cucks never go outside the box, so you dont know, but pin presses with the bar around 2.5 inches away from your chest will improve your bench a LOT.
And same thing with pull ups
Thinking like this is very narrow minded, and inefficient. Pull up is a compound movement utilizing your body as a unit, so simple but so effective, obsessing with form is the reason you can get strong with it.
>by not doing full ROM on an exercise i went from 3 to 8 reps, guys this is the key !!
Is everyone here moronic ?
I don't think there exists a single youtube video of a fatass going from zero to twenty pull ups with bands, lat pulldowns or any of the horseshit mentioned in this thread.
The key takeaway of what I said is doing progressive overload with ROM.
I also havent said that partials are meant to fit your sticking point, in my case was the upper range of motion, as my lats were strong enough but when the upper back muscle had to take over, I always got stuck, so partials are like an isolation lift for your weak positions
I didnt clarify because for 90% of people, the sticking point is the same.
Only skinny people have an upper back that can keep up with the lats "naturally" (it's just being light)
>progressively increase ROM
Shit and unscientific take. By doing this you’ll just up your numbers and get an ego boost, but the actual studies show that the best way to build strength and hypertrophy is mechanical tension in the stretched position of the muscle. Which happens at the bottom of full ROM pull ups.
If you can’t do a pull up, the best way would be to do really slow and control eccentrics until you reach dead hang and repeat. Not partial ROM of the upper part of the lift.
Put it like this : do you want to actually progress or just brag on IST about your pull ups numbers ?
>the best way would be to do really slow and control eccentrics until you reach dead hang and repeat.
How do you know this, personal experience, have you witnessed this?
Yes that’s how I progressed to add more reps.
And also, it’s just a scientific fact
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>And also listen to my favouritie eceleb
>that somehow invalidates the argument
Resorting to brainlet tactics i see
Hold up, I've got a pewdiepie clip that completely crushes your argument cause I'm incapable of coming up with any proof on my own. Let me find it real quick.
yes
Weight lifters really are pathetic.
>When I don't do full ROM I can do more reps
Anon I...
This you?
dont take advice from a fat frick that sturgles with 8 pullups
I'm already at 9 you fricking gay, I hadnt worked out yet when I wrote that post lol
I can now do 5 sets of 8 and one of 9
fatty
yea bro I can also lift 4plates
just remove half and do it lol
you don't do 8
morons, have fun being stuck for 3 years to get out of your 3x5 because you dont know how to train pull ups lol
Post (you)r back.
Doing partials is the best way to get better. Do sets of partials:
1) at the bottom (i.e. scapula pull-ups)
2) at the top
3) at the middle (probably the hardest to isolate as there's no preferable starting position)
These make doing full ROM pullups easier. What's so hard to understand?
You actually have to be relatively strong to do these. You can't eat your way into big pull ups like you can with other powershitter lifts
>relatively
yeah. i was an actual twig back in highschool, never did anything physical and could still do like 12 full pull ups. then i became fat and now working out for 8 months and still can barely do like 4.
Relative strength transcends size. People prefer cars with good gas mileage. Investors prefer stocks with good roi.
If you were smaller back then, you still had more strength/lb. So your body was more efficient. Now you're heavier and your body's strength efficiency has gone down.
There is a sweetspot with gaining muscle that would have put you from 12 to 24 pull ups. But you gained too much muscle and fat and now you can only do 4.
So obviously being a twink forever isn't the answer, but more people should aim for the muscle mass sweet spot that puts their relative strength and body efficiency closer to max
This is so true. I am 91kg now and muscled/buff and i definitely can only force 1w pullups, while at 80kg i did them for cooldown.
Then again i can deadlift 200kg and pulldown 1.25 bodyweight
I think if we did a study It'll show that the best aesthetically pleasing physique will be at a person's peak relative strength.
That's why calisthenics athletes are so aesthetically pleasing, they're not huge, but not small either, lean and insanely strong for their bodyweight. That should be the goal we all strive for
I agree 100%
Corrrect. Of the physiques posted on IST, two stick out the most. One requires cardio, the other requires roiding. IST will never achieve either because they will not do either.
Calisthenics athletes are gross.
stupid. the problem is being fat not having too much muscle.
and if you are 250 lbs of muscle and can only do 8 you are still functionally stronger in every way than some weak twerp who convinces himself he is better because he can do 15 chins. who cares. they don't matter
strength is your ability to move your body, but moreso, to move things outside your body. relative strength means nothing for that second item.
dyels on here have made me hate this perfectly good exercise with their constant crowing about it
>you
nice leaping kip up bro
Looks like you’re about to try to explain to me the benefits of a managed lawncare service
Since muscle is heavier than fat and strength depends a lot on the CNS,it make senses that training for max strength/hypertrophy leads to little endurance on bodyweight exercises
extrapolate that idea to distance running and sprinting - distance running > sprinting because speed per lbs and endurance per lbs is miles better in distance runner twig guys...
now, does this idea of "relative strength" still make sense? no, its moronic
>ib4 I will die on this hill, so it does
also
>Relative strength transcends size
pegs manlet as the superior form
>and still can barely do like 4.
You'll get better eventually. I was at 4 around 6 months ago now I can do 12
>relatively strong
lmao what. you just have to not be fat, moron.
>you have to be strong to do these
>literal dyels can do this
>so this means dyels are stronger than powershitters
This entire board is so frickin moronic and makes social presence such an important topic. Why the frick do you guys care so much about social media shits?
you sound upset. are you a powerlifter?
Anon anyone who makes posts like this looks like shit in some way or another and is seething about the sour grapes they dont have. Youre probably replying to some 140lb twig.
True at my gym only a selected few can do unassisted pull ups.
I hope youre the big fish there jfc
I'm 190lbs, I can just barely bench 185lbs comfortably (5 reps) but I can do 10+ pullups
because everything at the gym and on IST revolves around squat bench and diddly + maybe ohp which do NOT include any back exercise. Also
t. 12 years of pull ups/chin ups whatever ups
You're a moron who doesn't lift. I've never met someone who doesn't do some form of row and pulldown. Everyone talks about barbell rows on IST too.
Remember that people think it's impressive if someone who weighs 225lbs can bench 2pl8s
I weigh 135 kg and I can do 8 pull-ups just one set , then it kinda gets pathetic after the first set. I’m a little fat, but I could always do them naturally. I don’t look particularly muscular either and people are surprised when I
Do em
>135kg
>300lb
>I’m a little fat
This fricking board lol.
I'm 6'3", 185 pounds and can do 15 pull-ups, full ROM and controlled with no kicking.
Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses. My back is pretty "ripped" bit my bench press is pretty weak, at least on my opinion (60 lb dumbells on a flat bench for 12 usually).
That being said, any powerlifter could knock me out with one punch, even if he can't do a single pull-up. They're still watching stronger.
If you think just cause they are a powershitter they can fight then you've never done a martial art in your life and should honestly shut the frick up
I didn't say anything about fighting. I was pointing out that a dude that weighs 240 pounds with 25% bodyfat is still going to knock out a guy that weighs 185 pounds at 15% bodyfat, simply because the fat guy has so much more mass behind his punch.
fat people think they're strong because of their bloatmaxxing.
it isnt,
>full range of motion
>all the way to your chest
>hold at the top.
I guarantee unless you weight under 200lb, pull ups are decently hard if you do them properly
hurr durrr still easy
>ok add some weights then
i'm 6'5", 250lbs, 25%bf and can do 3 pullups right now.
Been practicing asissted pullups/chinups, regular pullups for like 2 months and working out for 4.
Shits fricking heavy.
You’ll get there man, same height but 240lbs. I’m trans btw
>chin up
that was a chinup, not a pullup
No video but 75lbs on chins, but point still stands. Being big isn’t an excuse.
That was a chin up you troony moron
Nice outfit homo
Lmao one rep chin up isn’t the same thing you moron
The guy literally said pullups/chinups pedantic dweebs.
> Been practicing asissted pullups/chinups, regular pullups for like 2 months and working out for 4.
>pedantic
It's not being pedantic. They're two different lifts with two different names.
you're probably higher than 25% if you're that weak
I'm so fricking glad I'm not short. I'd rather be able to do zero pullups and be tall than be a manlet and have to look up at women like I'm a child for my entire life.
Fatty cope
Your entire life is cope.
>I'd rather be able to do zero pullups and be tall than be a manlet and have to look up at women like I'm a child for my entire life.
You can get shoes and inserts to boost your height, wienersucker. I'm at eye level with women, it makes things more intimate than looking down at them like some big moronic giant.
the square cube law
The only people I see doing pullups at my gym are all skinny guys with no fat, but also no muscle
Its basically a light-weight skelly ego lift
Oh and before you say "HURR DURR POWERSHITTER"
Nope, im not that either.
Im in the middle, Im lean, but also muscular, so doing bodyweight stuff doesn't make sense for me.
I wont lose muscle just to ego lift on dips/pullups, and I wont gain fat just to ego lift on bench press
Ya'll all ego lifters, both the skellies and the fatties
im not gonna say that bro. im not gonna attack you it’s cool man im your friend here
You're not doing weighted pull ups or dips either man. That's just some fattie excuse right there. Sorry. It is what it is. Any serious about fitness organization (eg special forces) or sports training will most definitely have some bodyweight exercises. Why do you pretend you're above it somehow
Bro is fighting off those strawmen
gotta get myself a weight belt for those and dips, whats the best cheap one i could get on amazon?
1pl8 weighted.
I think it's too humbling for guys. Nobody wants to be that guy who gets caught doing 1 to 3 pull ups. But that's how you start. Gotta build the strength for them. Also too many guys are power fat. Being fat in combination with untrained in pull ups will make you look even more embarassing
Thats actually pretty impressive.
Thanks. I do pull ups twice a week. One unweighted and another weighted.
> Nobody wants to be that guy who gets caught doing 1 to 3 pull ups
Honestly this. See so many people doing 15 half-reps when really they could do a few solid full ROM sets of 4-5 and improve much faster. But for some reason normies seem obsessed with high reps for this exercise when most people just aren’t there yet.
shorts and black socks?
really?
What's wrong with that?
its just so Third World-looking.
Like UN worker handed out clothes while you were in line for a bowl of gruel.
It's a gym, not a fashion event. Get your head out your ass and lift
He has a different little outfit in every video.
homies worry more about my gym clothes than their own PRs
no one is saying you have to the latest gym shark fashion outfit, but is it so hard to leave the house without looking like a homeless Black person?
Why? Trying to check me out or something gayboi?
It's a gym. I already posted my street fit in another thread and got a lot of good replies
>bro, you look like a dirty slob
>"you just wanna have sex with me, gayboi"
ok then
Then why do you care about another man's fashion? in the gym of all places
because people walking around in public looking like dirty slobs is another reason this country is circling the toilet.
I bet you wear pajamas to walmart
>Look at me guy's im a homosexual!! He's wearing BLACK SOCKS with SHORTS!?!?! My GAWWWDDD. What a lack of FASHION SENSE. BLACK SOCKS.
Actually I don't think even gays would care about this
If you don't see how wearing long black socks with trainers and shorts in public looks bad, then you're the autist.
You can always tell a loser/nerd by how they dress. It might seem gay or feminine to care about how you look, but there are these tiny little things that they do that make them look lame.
Another thing is never wearing any israeliteelry, watch, necklaces at all. You give off the impression of a teenager who's still being dressed by their parents going out like that.
I only own low cut black socks that I wear with minimalist shoes.
I use a $15 digital casio watch.
Jewellery is gay.
You are gay.
>I GOTTA ACCESSORIZE UGGGHHHHH IM GONNA ACCESSORIZE OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH IM ACCESSOOOOOOOOORIZINGGGGG AAAAAAAAAHHHH
rate my todays IST
You look exactly like the kind of person I expect to lurk IST, but stronger
Looks fine. Everything fits well which is the most important thing. A goofy sock design is perfectly fine, I just think thin black socks are formal dress socks and they look weird mixed with athletic clothes. Like wearing shorts with a shirt and tie or wearing smart shoes with shorts. I think it's possible to make it work though if everything else goes with it.
Call me gay all you like. Style is just as important than fitness for attracting women. You can look like Brad Pitt but if you dress like shit what girl would like to be seen with you? If you have a nerdy style, you're a nerd doesn't matter how much you lift.
Think about it girls constantly wear makeup, form fitting revealing clothing, Instagram filters and take thousands of selfies a year. Why not just do the same shit? Ive only just begun to take them on at their own game
Imagine caring about your outfit in a gym. Holy shit. Do you also put on make up?
Even worse. Imagine caring about another man's outfit in the gym. Youre such a fricking homosexual
You’re actually being a dumb homosexual. I picked up a lot of women wearing a ripped up pikachu t shirt at the gym.
I’ve literally never worn israeliteelry either because it’s pretty gay and boomer tier, a gold chain just makes you look like a greasy car salesman from an 80s movie.
>side tangent
>anyone who’s worked around machines knows how stupid it is to wear israeliteelry as a man, and no, I’m not a mechanic or anything it’s just the same reason I don’t wear a tie, I might unexpectedly need to work on a vehicle or machine and I might unexpectedly get into an altercation, no need to add a choke point or crushed finger
what kind of boomer homosexual wears a watch in the age of sail foams anyways? Are you pretending you don’t have your phone with you? The only people who wear watches are people working in labs or places they can’t bring a phone (don’t try to lie, everyone knows you carry your phone regularly). I wear a cheap citizen with nato band when in a situation I can’t use a phone.
You sound like you don’t get any women because you’re actually the autist in this situation, goofy socks probably bangs edgy art hoes with bpd.
>casio
Don’t wear the cheap casio in public dude. I mean, I get it, I used one as a field watch when I was a zogbot, but it actually does make you look like a child.
Ah I just double checked and I actually have a $15 digital armitron, not a casio. Good thing, you had me worried that I might in fact be a child.
So….. you do want to have sex with him?
Terminal autism. Probably inoperable as well.
Spend less time looking at what other men wear at the gym and maybe you'll make some gains.
Quite impressive, I was expecting some shitty kipping for 3 and half reps
You finally stopped swinging around like a monkey. Good job.
Also I agree about the black socks. Black socks are for shoes and trousers. White socks for trainers and shorts. Looks much better and less like you're missing a pair of trousers/pants.
I know it's not a fashion show but you gotta at least look half decent in public. People will recognize and judge you.
British people are fricking homos, Jesus Christ.
>People will recognize and judge you.
Gymcels are not people.
Nice lats, bro.
Good form anon.
Nice ass bro
Damn. Impressive. I can see your arms are doing miost of that work, too, which nakes it even crazier.
Your back is narrow. If youre doing this for physique purposes, try chinups (palms supinated) and make sure to get a good stretch at the bottom - dont lose tension or go dead hang, but fully extend at the bottom. That might help activate the lats to do some of the pulling.
But impressive.
whats your bodyweight? mirin that form
Really impressive.
Pull-ups and dips are my main lifts and I hate this thread with passion.
The sheer amount of cope and "informed opinions" on ROM, "partials", "half reps", the body composition, race, and height need to do a single pull-up, calling pull-ups a meme, comparing pull-ups to lat pulldowns, etc.
Just got back from a 3 day ban and I think I should get banned again just so that I'm not tempted to open IST.
based
>Nobody wants to be that guy who gets caught doing 1 to 3 pull ups
Noticed this as well. Pull-ups are fantastic for back gains, but progression can be slow - especially if you are starting off as a chunky monkey.
You’re black lol
post body to prove you're not a fat /misc/cel
Keep the thread my homie! Will post in a few hrs
>Being fat in combination with untrained in pull ups will make you look even more embarassing
Yep. But less embarrassing than being weak and fat every day. Up to 5 now, 3 kipped. Working with an 80 lb handicap
wipe your phone camera lens you greasy frick
Stay off /b/ jeet
Looking great, king.
Nice digits too
It requires insane amounts of effort and patience. It took me a year to do my first one, then a couple to raise it to 5.
Granted I wasn't lifting consistently, but it's a mental thing, almost, plus it requires strong scapular muscles, strong wrists, strong forearms... Most people aren't used to that
>. It took me a year to do my first one,
you mean it took you a year to work up the motivation to start doing them right? no wya you took a year to get to one pullup
Something like that, I wasn't keeping track, also
>bar was outside at a very inconvenient place
>hands constantly getting blisters which set me back
>always unsure about what to do, trying out rows, scapular, band asissted, negatives(...)
Perhaps it was faster, but still
Not him but I did my first pullup at 26 after almost a year at the gym, started as a skinnyfat lanklet with very weak upper body. Just because a movement was easy for you at the start doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. The thing that worked for me was the lever pulldown machine. Gradually worked up to slightly over bodyweight on that and voila, pullups
You mean it took you a year to diet because that's the only reason it took you a year and a couple more for a bunch of pull-ups.
Try keeping your scapula retracted. Contrary to what people are moronic enough to believe, relaxing your scapula and hanging does not make the exercise any more effective.
Tendinitis
>t. Never again
Rings or neutral grip and also youre curling your wrist inward on the pull to compensate for weaknesses
pullups gave me wide lats and decent thickness in the midback, they should be in EVERY routine regardless of goal, calisthenics have a place for everyone
I've been doing 6-4-4-4 reps of weighed pull-ups and I'm kinda stuck at 22kg.
What other exercises can I do to increase the weight?
Try varying the weight and reps a bit. Have some sessions where you do less reps with a bit more weight, and some where you do more reps with less weight. Try "greasing the groove", where you do smaller sets (say 2-3 reps) but more of them, spaced out through the day; you can get way more total volume this way. Try using partial reps to specifically train the part of the movement that is hardest for you (for most people this is the top, actually getting the bar below your chin and ideally to your chest).
I can do like 16, at 6ft 81 kg's biggest jump was when I was following Russian fighter pull up program look it up, went from 9 to 16 within 30 days.
Yeah but how do I get to 9 I'm stuck at 2 , and does pull up help with arm gains
Best way to do is to get bands, so you can do 8-12reps until you get the motion right
I snapped a band I was that fat. I am afraid to use them now.
lose weight first, prioritize that over lifting.
I'm also tall so when I put my foot in the band it's getting stretched to the max.
What kind of routines do you guys use for pullups? Lately I just do 3x8, but should I go to failure? I can do around 12 full ROM pullups if Im fresh
Slowly increase your total pull up reps per session. Clean reps.
I second this. Train it like a main strength lift, not an endurance bullshit exhaustion lift.
Slowly, over time icnrease volume. But no kipping and stop going to failure. That just reduces the overall volume you need to do. Also, be well rested between each set. Like a full 3-5 minutes to recharget ATP.
>slow bulk for half a year
>can't improve pull up reps at all
>do a small cut & deload two weeks
>reps double
you were increasing the resistance as you improved strength lmao
chinups feel better
I can do a +100lb neutral grip pullup @200ish lbs bodyweight but my rep is my chin going over the bar, not to chest. Ofc no kipping. Pull/chin ups only seem to be a filter online, irl the standard is just no kip+chin over bar.
During lockdown I'd put 25kg on a belt and take as many sets as necessary to get to 30 reps. I'd manage something like 9-6-4-4-3-2-2. It got me to doing 32.5kg for 3x5 but it was incredibly intense. I'd do that in the morning and I'd be wiped for the rest of the day pretty much. Nothing takes it out of me more than pullups.
Because grip strength is more important than a lot of people want to admit and very few people do any exercises that sufficiently improve their grip strength to properly do pull ups.
pull ups are the biggest meme for weak homosexuals, arguably only second to SS. A girl can train to do 5 pull ups in 6 months. The same girl who benches 95 lb and deadlifts 255 lb. Ask any "Pull up enthusiast" his bench/squat/deadlift and prepare to fricking laugh. The kids are 150 lb and essentially doing cardio. It's like a 130 lb guy bragging about running a mile under 7 minutes. No shit, guy. You're a fricking feather. Doesn't change the fact you look literally DYEL.
>waa waa fat cope!!!!!!!!!
I stopped doing pull ups when I could do 10 dead hang at 200 lb (12% bf)
10 pullups with those stats is truly pathetic, you should be ashamed of yourself.
>thinking a sub 7 minute mile is impressive
LOL, I can run a 5:45 mile at 185lbs
And I can run a 2:02 800m slow fricking homosexual. You entirely missed the point. You’re bragging about a DOGSHIT feat. And pull ups are a fricking meme. There’s a reason I bench 365 and deadlift 605 and you lift literally half that.
Pull ups are a meme? But how do I get give a lats then?
One of the dozen machines that lets you stretch the lats with weight??
Jesus Christ no wonder everybody on this board looks like dogshit. Imagine asking “how to train chest without push ups???????” Because that’s how fricking moronic you sound
>One of the dozen machines that lets you stretch the lats with weight??
I tried then all. Only the lat pulldown machine works and that's fixed with overhand grip and I can never hold correct form with the final reps. Push exercises seem much more natural to lat exercises. I really should be asking these questions over at r/fitness as they give real replies.
because everyone starts by trying to do pullups. Start with rows until you can row like 50% bodyweight.
contrary to what IST will tell you, most people can absolutely not do a pullup on their first day in the gym unless they're already athletic. it's rather humbling having to do assisted and negative reps, so many just don't bother
It makes no sense that primates have such a hard time just pulling themselves up
I keep seeing people say they can do x pullups. Is this the one exercise where people just do 1 set? I dont get it
>Why is this movement such a fricking filter?
Because everyone is fat and lazy.
Is there even any reason to do pull-ups over chin-ups if chins activate the lats all the same?
Yes
Why?
Well what the fuuck is wrong with you?
I think chins activate the lats more because of the rotated humerus - it pulls more on where the lats insert so there is more of a stretch at the bottoms. The diff is slight, but I think it makes a difference.
so for what reasons should I do pull-ups then if I’m a DYEL? I can do a few but I feel like the form is lacking and I’m not sure if there’s any reason to do them if I’m too weak to get enough volume/ROM from doing them
zero reason. IST has just latched onto pullups for some reason
I like doing ring pullups and neutral-grip pullups, but don't really do bar chinups because I find the top position uncomfortable. I think pullups probably carry over more directly to real-world activities like climbing. That's it for me, though.
I gave up on pull-ups since they’re a meme and don’t even target the lats any more than chins. No reason to do them for aesthetics
I can do about bloody thirty!
You're fat and weak, that's why.
I can do 20 dead hang pull ups.
I thought everyone can do these? I grew up in a part of the world where people are more related to chimpanzees. We can all do pull ups really easily over here. My grandparents does them hanging from trees, they think the new generation is weak for using perfectly straight/smooth bars.
I am 6’1 175 lbs and did a full ROM pull up with 105 added pounds yesterday
>ZERO. ZERO. ZERO. ZERO. I COUNT ZERO REPS
of all the IST dyels, ROMcells are the lamest losers we have
I had a Gunnery Sergeant do this to me on our annual physical fitness test.
>FOURTEEN
>FOURTEEN
>FOURTEEN
>*Stop and stare at him*
>FIFTEEN
When did you guys start adding weight? I was going to try to get to 5x10 before I started but I'm not sure
what app is this
Hevy
5*10 is actually pretty difficult for pullups depending on rest time. It means you can probably do 18-20 in a single set. I would say when you can do 10 very clean pullups do some days where you do low reps higher weight and than other days where you just go high reps. I can do 25 bw and 2 with 40kg added at 80 kg btw.
id say once you reach 15 reps of BW. i think thats when i started adding weight and went straight to like +10 kg for few reps. that was like 10 years ago tho so i dont really remember. 5x10 with short rest periods would be overkill imo
I can do one chin up with a bit of swinging my knees then i have to wait a minute to have the energy to do another. Outside of using a band I don't know what to do.
do chinups on the moon
Only one problem. I'm a flat earther.
the frick does that have to do with the moon you nihilist
The moon is literally light.
how am i supposed to know you're a moon lighter just because you're a flat earther
Light is a physical object.
If physical objects are escaping your grasp you need to work on grip strength.
super sets of amrap slow negatives + lat pulldowns with the same grip in the 10-20 rep range
10x1
8x2
6x3
5x4
4x5
3x6+
That's more or less what I did. Don't go to failure on the first set and don't do ugly reps. It just takes time.
Every day?
>Every day?
1 - 3 times a week depending on your fitness level like any other exercise. And you don't have to do those exact numbers, just fewer reps = more sets. I also do them from absolute deadhang because I consider the initial scapular retraction part of the lift.
And don't have a nice day on the first sets. Instead of doing 6,5,3,2,2 with many ugly reps, do 5x4 and last set amrap. You will progress faster and with greater confidence.
I'm so fricking close bros. It's like I can get myself halfway up from a deadhang and get myself to the top from a halfway start, just need to combine the two. Just a couple more weeks and I WILL do a pull-up.
I can only do 1-3
Are you supposed to pull yourself up from a full deadhang?
Yes. IMO ideal pullup form is starting each rep from a full deadhang, touching your chest to the bar at the top, and keeping your legs and core in a fixed position throughout the rep (no squirming or kicking the legs up for momentum).
Partial reps. Start at the top with your chest touching the bar, lower down til your nose is at bar height, then pull up from there and repeat. If that is too hard you can use any of the normal progression tools (negatives, band assistance). Strength is to some degree specific to the range of motion in which you train it.
I fricked my elbows starting from dead hang
Either fat or literally freefalling back down after each rep.
I think it’s from using a straight chin up grip, which I know leads to elbow issues. I do strict negatives which I think made it worse
Makes sense. I don't do bar chinups, but doing preacher curls, or standing barbell curls around my 5RM made my elbows hurt for days. If you don't want to do pronated-grip pullups, you could try ring pullups or neutral-grip pullups?
>only skinny manlets can do pullups or dips
Weak bullshit. I'm over 6ft and 210lbs, I can do 5 or 6 pullups with a 20lb weight. I couldn't even do half a rep for months at first, you just have to grind out negatives and get stronger through rows and lat pulldowns. It took me well over a year to get here, but just saying you can't ever do pullups because you're 'too muscular' is absolute rubbish.
I can rep out 10 of these for 2-3 sets jaw over the bar. But i cant get the chest to touch the bar, im incredibly weak in that end position. How to train it?
Fact: a 12% bodyfat "twink" with abs doing 10 pullups will mog any 20%+ BF """powerlifter""" DLing 4+pl8 100% of the time.
am-i being rused?
i'm a dyel hungry skeleton and can do like 10 ?
Where's everyone's point of failure? Logically the bottom should be the hardest part but thats never where I fail. I always fail near the top, just an inch or two before getting my chin over the bar. For reference I can do 20 reps from a dead hang without weight, 5 reps with 80lbs added
at the bottom the only point of failure is grip
from deadhang most of the motion is actually a disguised version of swinging your legs and requires not much effort
if you see ppl give up at the bottom is cos they dont have the balls to try for another rep
this was my case until I started doing this
It happens because the lats are stronger than the upper back muscles
Is it just after your arms break even? See
Its not even about fat its about bodyweight.
You only use lats and a little bit of your arms to lift up the rest of your body up basically.
Say you have 100kg muscle in your legs hypothetically (obvious exaggeration), you couldn't make use of them but it isn't fat.
As a beginner you cant do them then you learn how to do them and then you cant do them again the more advanced you get and the more muscle you have (unless you get stuck at a low bodyweight)
There are 190-200 lb guys who can rep them out fine. They actually have muscle in their lats and arms instead of being 25% BF
Well Im 260lbs and I can probably do about 5 or 6
I dont do them because I prefer to rep out the lat pulldown instead
Just trying to explain it to people the more you weight, the harder they become, regardless of fat%
its bullshit. people in the sub 70kg category are pretty much capped at +100kg, 70 to 80 +110kg seems to be the top. above 90 kg there are people pulling +115kg and above. there is a severe diminishing compared to other lifts but the muscles still help you. Unless you mean unweighted pull ups then nobody gives a frick but you might be right
It is the line between fat and fit.
>all these coping homosexual replies
If you can't bang out at least a dozen dead hang pullups regardless of your weight
I don't give a frick what you think about anything related to fitness
Anyone looking to increase their pullup numbers: grease the groove.
I've been doing pullups for years, but I would always gas out at 10-12 (first set, full ROM). I started doing 5 pullups constantly throughout the day. I can now consistently hit 15-17 pullups on my first set after using this method for 3 months.
>I started doing 5 pullups constantly throughout the day.
In roughly what intervals? How often?
Google grease the groove. But the tl;dr is:
>1/3 of your rep max - aim for pristine form
>2-3 times a day, several hours in between
>less is more
When I grease the groove, I aim for a set every 45-75 minutes, for most of the day, up to 5-6 days a week. /Way/ more volume than just doing 3-5 max rep sets 3 days a week.
Did you get any visual gains?
Are you even a man if you cannot do multiple muscle ups without kipping?
I can finally feel my lats working
16 chin-ups and 0 pull-ups checking in.
My pulldown numbers keeping rising, tho, so surely the breakthrough can't elude me forever. I have a feeling that 2024 will be the year for my first pull-up. It can't keep getting away with this.
I was hardcore into calisthenics while in college. Got up to doing 3 sets of 5 with 90lbs on a belt.
I maintained 170 bw pretty much the whole time. I still have no clue where that strength came from aside from just my nervous system being used to to the motion.
I used to struggle with pull ups and chin ups, but figured out how to max out.
I used to be a zogbot marine, the physical fitness test (pft) was based on pull ups/chin ups, 3 mile run, and sit ups, max score was 300 and reps were;
>20 dead hang pull up/chin up
>18 min 3 mile
>100 sit ups in 2 min
Every pull up was worth 5 points and I was stuck at 10 reps but maxing everything else out. I was pissed I couldn’t get the 300 points on the pft and kept getting sent to remedial pt every saturday.
I realized that I kept getting stuck just below the point where my arms bend, that was my sticking point. I started working preacher bench really heavy, got up to one pl8 on the curl bar after a while. Pull ups shot up to like 30 reps. I was easily knocking out multiple sets of 10 with a 75lbs Alice pack on.
I still, to this day, over 15 years later can rep out 30 wide grip dead hangs because of the preacher bench.
So my advice to pull uplets would be to train your arms.
i'm on bulk rn and watching my numbers on these decrease is something saddening
still do them cuz they're probly the most fun lift to do
>most IST can't even do 5 pull ups
what the frick
>Why is this movement such a fricking filter?
i have never not being able to do these, ever since kinder garden, the question is, to be an ape and not be able to lift oneself, it's like being a vegan cat
if I want to build up the strength to do these, how good are those pullup machines until i can do one on my own?
Because it's difficult to do for dyels. Are you a moron?
>be me
>go to my hometown for extend holidays
>hit the gym with buddies after not going for 3 days while eating and drinking like a hog
>do 20 push ups, 6 pull ups and 10 chinups
>feeling like shit, they should have been 25-8-12
>people treat me like I'm sam sulek or some shit
we sometimes forget the progress we made