Why isn't this considered an essential lift for shoulders and everyone on here seems to prefer dumbell press? Is it more a trap builder? I don't get it
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Why isn't this considered an essential lift for shoulders and everyone on here seems to prefer dumbell press?
Man I just started doing these and I had to go way lighter than I thought to keep my form from fricking crumbling. Though I can do them sitting and that made it much easier
bad for lower back when you aren't weak as shit, should just stop sitting now before you find out when that is
wait so I should keep doing standing to help strengthen my back?
Imagine being the guy whose delts can push 225 above his head but who hurts his back pushing 135 if he does it standing. Is he strong in any meaningful way?
a yes would have been sufficient
what does this work that isnt work by bench?
shoulders moron
exercises performed while seated or lying down are not true exercises
Shoulders, traps, lats, core, and posterior chain. Once you get past 1pl8lmao you will realize OHP is the ultimate upper body compound lift
Lats? How?
It's a really difficult lift and hard to progress, most people here seethe over it because of this.
>Inferior ot db press
cope
>injury risk
cope
>muh lower back
cope
>does nothing bench doesnt do
cope
I'll go OHP now.
OHP is my favorite exercise but its easy to frick up your back and wrist if you start egolifting.
>Why isn't this considered an essential lift for shoulders and everyone on here seems to prefer dumbell press? Is it more a trap builder? I don't get it
Because there is no "essential" lift for anything. Theres shitloads that do the same thing. You do what you prefer.
it’s a really piss poor movement for both hypertrophy AND shoulder transferable strength development.
In highly unstable exercises or those needing a lot of internal bracing what happens is that we see less motor unit recruitment due to that stability need, increased perception of effort, and due to the fact that the prime mover antagonists are more activated to offer up stronger cocontractions to meet the demands for that greater stability.
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As you might guess, more activation out of the antagonist means there’s a down regulation in output from the prime mover and synergistic tissue.
To add, much of the strength gains we see in movements needing more internal stability happen simply due to increased coordination.
That means that in something like an overhead press there’s just an increase in strength due to becoming better at the movement pattern, and better rate coding.
This also means that since the increase in strength was due to better coordination then the actual deltoid strength improvement is less significant.
Where if you simply sit down then you can actually remove this overall limiter and focus on pressing and just loading the anterior deltoids.
It’s a better option to sit and do some presses than to stand and do them. The caveat would be if you do strongman training and have to do standing presses for competition. However what’s funny is Big Z said that the smith machine overhead press was the BEST movement for improving all the other presses he did.
shouldetlet ohplet
thank you chatgpt
You have to go back
You're either wrong or saying obvious things as if they're something bad. Like, from doing OHP you're getting better at OHP movement, same applicate to literally any other exercise, but there is always a transferable strength to other things involving same muscles. This reads likesomething by AI, and I hope it is
Black person your reading comprehension is piss poor
>say something correct and explain it well
>everybody thinks it's a chatbot because they don't have the experience and brainpower to understand it
No everyone thinks it's a chatbot because everyone on here does nothing but spread malicious misinformation and vitriol
I get what you are saying but you have no soul.
Trap bar Z press
>To add, much of the strength gains we see in movements needing more internal stability happen simply due to increased coordination.
Read one random line from your post and it was totally wrong.
They hated him because he spoke the truth
>reddit spacing
clearly you don't wanna overhead press stacy and make her squirt pussy juice into your mouth.
You’re dyel
>everyone on here seems to prefer dumbell press
after fricking around with barbells for a bit over a year I've moved on to mostly doing the dumbbell versions of all the push compounds. controlling the movement is harder but I also feel it in the specific muscles I'm targeting way more.
I noticed it also lets me have a fuller range of motion. Pushing 2pl8 bench for reps vs 40kg db bench press is a whole different feeling in the pecs
OHP is god tier movement but it hits my upper back like crazy
Outdoors OHP poster is based. Do you dabble in log press as well?
Sadly no, I try to keep my equipment as minimal as possible and I don’t live close to any gym that offer it.
imagine the heat
Only gets around 25C in summer.
It’s a Swedish off brand copy of rogue called Recoil.
is that the rack from decathlon? i'm thinking of getting it, but doesn't seem very robust.
How much did you pay for this? I'm fookin moving to the country when I get enough money
That looks really nice, please post more pics
looks really comfy
Is that an olympic dumbbell?
i can 3x5 50Kg OHP so thats a winner for me
OHP used to be my favourite lift but recently whenever I go heavy e.g. 5RM something happens around the back-right side of my neck, maybe the top of the right trap. It becomes very painful to turn my head in any direction. The pain usually starts 1-2 days after I OHP. It's a horrible, pinching sensation.
In conclusion, it is now a shit lift for me and I'd rather do something else than snap my shit up.
I use the machine for these.
You shouldnt
If you're using the Hammer Strength shoulder press machine, then it's superior.
I have never seen someone use this that can do 95lbs on barbell OHP for reps
I use that machine and can OHP 135 for 15.
Cool, haven’t seen you do it in the gym though. I believe you. Congrats on the OHP.
95 lbs is light weight IMO.
I do 40kg x12 on each handle with this machine. Is it good?
If you're doing it with good form, then yes.
It's a great exercise, dB version of the same is simply better.
Do you guys do the db version seated or standing
>Why isn't this considered an essential lift for shoulders
Because it's not essential and mainly works the anterior delt, which gets plenty stimulation from bench anyway.
>and everyone on here seems to prefer dumbell press?
Because it's the superior shoulder exercise
>Is it more a trap builder? I don't get it
It causes more fatigue with less stimulus than other movements for shoulders
yes but what you fail to consider is that
>it's fun
this
minmaxxing gays are so annoying
>nooooo you will lose on 0.0005% muscle growth if you dont do X exercise
deadlifts, ohp, bench and pullups that makes me go to the gym, because they are just fun to do
this except i hate deadlifts and don't do them, i consider OHP and highbar squats sufficient for posterior chain and i really like both of those exercises. i also really enjoy concentration curls even though standing hammer curls are probably "better" for growth.
I don't fricking care about what you homosexuals say.
I'm the only one who OHPs in my commercial third world gym.
Even though I'm still a DYEL and can't OHP 1pl8, everytime I do it, people look at me and mire.
I'll keep doing lifts that make me feel good and there's nothing you can do about it, the dumbbells on my gym only go to 42kg aswell so there will be a point where I wouldn't be able to progress on it.
do what you want to bud
I use a Swiss bar for this, feels very good on the shoulders
is a swiss bar worth the price or is a barbell good enough?
Just use a barbell, save your money
i do ohp for strength and klokovpress for size
throw in some Luraises for side delts and mobility and round it up with reverse pec deck and you have a perfect shoulder workout
>Why isn't this considered an essential lift for shoulders
It is. Some people just suck ass
People feel bad for having a DYEL OHP so they start doing dumbbell press instead so that they won’t feel as bad for the weight being low. Little do they know pretty much any guy can get to 1pl8 for at least 5 reps with like a year or two at most of consistent work, they just come in day one and get upset that they can’t at least do 95lbs and quit. How sad is it that there are guys that can bench 315 but seemingly can’t ohp 1pl8 for reps?
is that the reason im the only dude who barbell OHP at my gym?
just how insecure are normies? im the only one deadlifting 2plmao8 aswell
my ohp is literally dogshit DYEL tier (80lbs) but i still do it
This is the reason among intermediates and below yeah. I have a friend who has been lifting for close to a year and got over a 3pl8 diddly like 6 months in who still can’t rep 65lbs on OHP because he just skipped it since he could barely do more than the bar. Sad since in the timeframe for him to reach 3pl8 diddly he could’ve easily passed 100x5 on OHP. OHP makes people really fricking self conscious and unwilling to go a couple months of being bad at a lift to become good. I think that’s why so many OHP posters on here are /homegym/, because they didn’t have anything to be self conscious about.
This too lmao.
and db press is just quarter repping as well
>everyone above this post is a moron who doesn’t know what they’re talking about
DB is superior because you can hit your lateral delts much better, head doesn’t get in the way. However BB allows you to add more weight comfortably because of the rack, but since your head gets in the way it’s more about front delts than lateral delts. So that’s the tradeoff you gotta make basically.
Traps have absolutely nothing to do with this exercise.
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>everyone below this post is a moron who doesn’t know what they’re talking about
t. cant OHP 1pl8
ive never seen a guy with small shoulders that can OHP heavy
however theres a shit ton of DYELs DB pressing
This. I have never met a guy with skinny arms who had a strong OHP, but there’s a guy at my gym who benches about what I do (he never does OHP, only benches a ton) whose arms look half the size of mine in a tank top.
OHP, chin-ups, and deadlift are the perfect filtering trifecta. OHP filters those who are too proud to be bad at it for a bit, so they stick to bench. Chin-ups filter those who are too fat to diet, so they powershart. Deadlifts filter those who are too scared of lifts that really push their CNS, so they do a ton of isolations instead. All three are fairly functional movements that don’t require much mobility and are safe when done properly, so there’s no excuse to be bad at any of them besides a shortcoming in mentality or a dislike of well rounded training.
chinups are based and made my bicep explode in size
ive been learning pullups lately because im lacking lat size
I’m about as good at either, but getting extra arm volume from chins is based and I feel it in my lats more. The feeling of literally every back muscle being pumped from pull ups is awesome too though but I just don’t need the extra trap activation since I deadlift. Similarly to OHP I’ve barely ever seen people doing real pull/chin-ups in my gym. Usually when people do pull-ups at my gym they do neutral grip and half rep it, and neutral grip uses forearms and biceps so it’s way easier than chins or pull ups.
Neutral grip is only easier on the wrists. You should be able to do more reps/weight on chinups. In terms of weight/reps: chinup > neutral > pullup.
the dyel trifecta
post physique
do some behind the neck press homosexual
I like it and I do it once per week, and it's pretty much the only shoulder movement I do. like other anons have mentioned, it's pretty difficult and takes a while to progress. I feel like the db version is pointless and db movements in general are worse for form imo. I always do barbell stuff when I can.
It is an essential lift. It builds the anterior delts whose development is simply not as easy to see as the medial delts in the mirror during short time periods. So morons go complain about how they're not getting big shoulders when they still have to isolate the medial delts.
I don't get it either, it's a great lift, for my shoulders I usually do BOTH, OHP and DB shoulder press.
Currently I do 5x50kg, 5x55kg, 3x60kg as my working OHP set, then do like 10x25kg, 8x27.5kg, 5x30kg DB shoulder press, although I do DB presses on a slight incline.
>limited by technique
>limited by t spine mobility
>limited by core strength
>head is in the way of the bar
>unnatural hand position
its a cool lift, its fun but if you only care about hypertrophy and nothing else dumbell press is just plain better
just like dumbell bench and even the chest press machine are better for hypertrophy than barbell bench
post body
why do you get so ass blasted when somebody suggests your favourite lift isnt perfect for hypertrophy?
>does 0 compounds
not assblasted, but if you call yourself the hypertrophy king himself then you should have a good body
nice reading comprehension you brainlet
where did I say I dont do compounds? I love doing BB OHP, its the most fun lift but FOR HYPERTROPHY dumbells are better
did you understand this post or do I need to use simpler words?
Lol db ohp and machine ohp are still compound movements. You aren't special for using a barbell.
posting body without factoring training time and genetics is pointless anon. Ronnie Coleman is one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time, but he is literally moronic when it comes to bodybuilding knowledge, he just trains hards
because people are very weak at standing OHP, so they hate it.
me
Reminder that it also works the serratus
its fun and more home gym friendly
wow how do i frick that guy
>Wrists more narrow than shoulders instead of stacked over elbows
>Elbows flaring out instead of keep in line with shoulders
There's a reason he's only pushing 5kg plates.
Some people have inflexible wrists, necks, or spines that make the exercise feel awkward for them. Since the path to being able to OHP comfortably ends up involving exercises that aren’t actual lifting, they end up doing a different exercise that doesn’t require that prerequisite. I know guys who can bench close to 3pl8s that don’t do OHP because they complain about wrist and back pain when they start the lift. It’s kind of stupid because all they have to do is make a few adjustments but I’m not going to micromanage someone else’s routine.
Your head is in the way of the bar path. I mean it works but people that don't care about muh barbells will just do dumbbells.
It's not. The motion is supposed to be entirely in front of your head. Here's an image of a woman with 1lb bumper pl8s demonstrating it. The standard OHP has the arms mostly in front of your chest
>do dumbbells
DBs are better with arms held more laterally since the head is in the way. However, it's different press entirely. Whereas OHP is anterior delt dominant, DBOHP use more medial lats. For comparison, DBOHP is very close to being a DB version of BTNP rather than being a dumbell version of OHP.
That pic is completely wrong form you moronic noob lifter. If it ever leaves midline of your foot you're objectively doing it wrong. To achieve that, you have to move your head and lean to point your chest to the ceiling. If you don't want to do that, your only option is dumbbells or behind the neck presses.
Please do not respond without showing me your "press." I know it sucks
>no you see the olympics were using wrong form my 140lb ass figured out the "real" way!
you are a dumb Black person look at the image. the girl in the image DOES move her head, the bar DOES NOT ever leave the midline of the foot.
You dumb moron Black person.
That's exactly what the woman is doing moron. You sound like you're trying to cope for doing a standing bench press.
So standing bench press?
Why are you so moronic?
Sorry bud, I'll be at the gym doing both my barbell OHP and my dumbbell should press.
There are better ways to develop the muscle, that don't cause nearly the same degree of mileage on the shoulders as doing the standing barbell OHP regularly year round. But the great thing is, that you can get strong at OHP without doing it much cuz the movement is mostly triceps
Barbell OHP is really only good to do if you do strongman. Otherwise, it's BTFO by other exercises like seated DB or machines. Doing it is fine, but don't kid yourself about its overall effectiveness.
OHP threads make me feel good about myself. I have no idea how everyone who is stronger than me at every other thing struggles with it so much. Perhaps it's because I clean the weight off the floor first instead of using a r*ck, because as a lank, I shouldn't be naturally gifted at ohp.
WTF IS LIFT SUPPOSED TO BE HARD??
I have a 230 bench and a 150 OHP 1 rep max lmao
That's the normal overhead to bench ratio of .66
Why are homies on here saying they see people with 3pl8 bench that can't do 80 lbs
They start with an idea that they want to be true and then they take claims that are at least plausible at a glance and exaggerate them enough support the idea.
Their will certainly be people who do lift with ratios as low as even .5 in some cases on account good pec attachments, bench specialized skeletons, powerlifting form, and temporarily peaking their bench.
You want ohp to look cool in the culture war, exaggerate from there.
>gives you herniated disks
thanks but no way gay
anything that puts vertical stress on a spine is a meme exercise
Lmao this dood tried OHP and didn't brace
>animehomosexual
>is moronic
post physique
Post OHP form first you dysgenic pajeet
post physique effeminate tranime homosexual
of course you wont but you'll shill meme lifts like OHP
Post OHP
>no physique
I accept your concession, tranime dyel
OHP status?
hormone status?
prob why you're afraid to post it, cant see disgusting troon breasts lol
You still haven't posted OHP, which in itself is a masculine lift and manlier than your substitute lifts
dont @ me tranimegay, you lost the ultimate challenge
begone
At least I didn't lose my motivation to OHP after being moronic
maybe if you stopped doing meme exercises like OHP, you'd be proud enough to post your physique
but who am I kidding, it was over for you before it even began, judging by tranime garbage
Been nice chatting with you in between OHP sets Rajidaman, have a good one
keep the larp up, tranime homosexual
Im sure a day will come when you'll not be ashamed to post your physique anonymously, online
NOT
It allows the loading of most weight, also works your entire body.
>tfw legs cramp from bracing hard in OHP
OHP gave me tard traps and no shoulders
dumbbell OHP sucks because once you're moving considerable weight, the size of the dumbbell prevents you from performing the exercise with full ROM
when it comes to bodybuilding, this is a total meme exercise. useless crossfit circus crap. you wanna build muscles not become a gymnast. use a fricking machine or at least do it seated on a smith machine or something if you wanna build shoulder mass
If you don't OHP you are weak, simple as
Your dyel body will be lifted overhead and thrown from the tarpeian rock
yeah yeah, post physique larper
I do 1.5 pl8 ohp for reps and people ask me what I do for shoulders in the gym lel
based. You probably have good genetics and naturally broad shoulders as well as putting in the work. OHP is a 'the rich get richer' kind of lift, genetic trash need not apply.
>Why isn't this considered an essential lift
It’s not an ego lift