Why isometric barbell holds for the duration of a hamstring lift so reliably effect hypertrophy on the entire back while other isometric excercises pr...

Why isometric barbell holds for the duration of a hamstring lift so reliably effect hypertrophy on the entire back while other isometric excercises produce small physiques?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    but it don't bot
    >cow coleman
    cripple coleman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it does. My best back development was when I fricked off with everything else and decided to actually do deadlifts.

      >Why isometric barbell holds for the duration of a hamstring lift so reliably effect hypertrophy on the entire back
      Because it isn't isometric for the back.

      Yes it is. Stop being stupid.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/tBOSQZA.jpg

        Why isometric barbell holds for the duration of a hamstring lift so reliably effect hypertrophy on the entire back while other isometric excercises produce small physiques?

        When you get a better mind muscle connection you can feel your lats contract. Not a huge range of motion, but still a contraction. Hence why Dorian Yates did rack pulls on back days. Work on developing that connection and you’ll be able to feel it some day

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That doesn't make it not isometric. There has to be contraction or it's not a fricking anything. Isometric is when there's a necessary contraction even though it's not being used for movement. Ie, the isometric contraction of your back when protecting your spine from the force of a heavy barbell during the deadlift.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Bilateral contraction of the erector spinae muscles causes back and head extension.
        you're pretty moronic, the muscles in the back are in a shortened state aka isotonic concentric contraction during a deadlift, not isometric contraction

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not him but the "muscles in the back" are not lengethening or shortening to any meaningful degree during a properly executed deadlift

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The erector spinae muscles are shortened when you have your back straight (back extension). Then you apply an opposite force by grabbing a barbell and there you have it, your muscles grow. Not that hard to understand. Isometric on the other hand means you're applying tension to the muscles while they're neither lengthened nor contracted, and since they're much stronger in that position it's really not very effective for promoting muscle growth.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The erector spinae muscles are shortened when you have your back straight
              they are shortened, but they are not shortening during a deadlift under load, there's a big difference
              extending your back during a deadlift is only possible at the very top when the muscles of your back work the least against gravity and it's considered incorrect form to hyperextend druring that portion of the lift so it doesn't matter

              deadlifts are not an isotonic back exercise
              >Isometric on the other hand means you're applying tension to the muscles while they're neither lengthened nor contracted
              not what isometric means
              isometric contractions are contractions which lead to no lengthening or shortening of the muscle, that's it
              it doesn't matter if the muscle is lengthened or shortened, it doesn't matter to what degree it is shortened or lengthened, all that matter for a contraction to be isometric is for the muscle to not lengthen or shorten despite pulling against resistance

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >so they do stimulate muscle they're just time inefficient and very fatiguing
                Properly utilized, isometrics are the most time-efficient way to train.

                https://i.imgur.com/DBPwvvw.jpg

                maybe it's an individual thing
                some people experience more soreness and we don't know why
                [...]
                that doesn't take into account the passive tension experienced by muscle fibers in the eccentric(the downwards curve)
                isometrics are still a legit wasy to train, they're just hard mentally, they are objectively harder than isotonic contractions

                Alright bros please inform me on isometric training.
                How do you even go about programming it? Do you just hold a pushup in the middle position while tensing your muscles for as long as you can? Or is it more like trying to bench press a barbell than has so much weight on it that it doesn't move?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you just hold a pushup in the middle position while tensing your muscles for as long as you can? Or is it more like trying to bench press a barbell than has so much weight on it that it doesn't move?
                You're describing two different kinds of isometrics; yielding and overcoming respectively. Both of them are valid ways to train.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So there's types of isometrics? Ok.
                When would someone used the yielding or overcoming type? What advantages does one have over the other?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yielding
                Depending on the way you do it, either with weights or purely with bodyweight, it will resemble either calisthenics or weight lifting and should be trained roughly like they are. The advantage over both is that, since there's no movements, the weight can be significantly heavier, and the load on the joints is much easier.

                >overcoming
                The most interesting, in my personal opinion. You just struggle against something that can't move. Because of this, the resistance is always maximal, and because nothing is actually pushing back, the joints are completely safe and there's no risk of injury in general. It doesn't require any equipment (unless you want to use some), doesn't require progression (either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your own opinion), and it offers the faster gains in strength of any known sort of training.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The erector spinae muscles are shortened when you have your back straight (back extension). Then you apply an opposite force by grabbing a barbell and there you have it, your muscles grow. Not that hard to understand. Isometric on the other hand means you're applying tension to the muscles while they're neither lengthened nor contracted, and since they're much stronger in that position it's really not very effective for promoting muscle growth.

          Isometrics can be performed in a shortened or lengthened state

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >My best back development was
        bots have no backs - it can't grow back because it's moronic hamstring movement, how would u even get time under tension on ur back close to 40 seconds for optimal hypertophy i.e. not completely moronic monkey lifts heavy shit
        >romanian deadlifts
        yes or hams, when u stand though it's zero back tension, u r doing singles for back muscles that aren't even prime movers in this scenario
        >but it grew
        no, u just got fatter b***h

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >when u stand though it's zero back tension, u r doing singles for back muscles that aren't even prime movers in this scenario
          I don't totally disagree here, in that I am curious to try non locked out deadlifts to see what the constant tension does, but I do disagree for the most part. The back muscles certainly do rest when you stand but if those reps that are effectively singles produce enough tension they still work even as singles. There are people who straight do singles and progress off of them, oly lifters for example.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why isometric barbell holds for the duration of a hamstring lift so reliably effect hypertrophy on the entire back
    Because it isn't isometric for the back.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why isometric barbell holds for the duration of a hamstring lift so reliably effect hypertrophy on the entire back while other isometric excercises produce small physiques?
    they don't
    it's just that non responders to regular training are more likely to be into weird obscure training methods

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >non responders
      That can't possibly exist. You don't get nothing for something. If you went to the gym with a non responder you'd see that they're just pussies.

      >My best back development was
      bots have no backs - it can't grow back because it's moronic hamstring movement, how would u even get time under tension on ur back close to 40 seconds for optimal hypertophy i.e. not completely moronic monkey lifts heavy shit
      >romanian deadlifts
      yes or hams, when u stand though it's zero back tension, u r doing singles for back muscles that aren't even prime movers in this scenario
      >but it grew
      no, u just got fatter b***h

      >how would u even get time under tension on ur back close to 40 seconds By doing a set that totals 40 seconds of tension.
      >for optimal hypertophy
      No such thing. Hypertrophy either occurs in response to mechanical tension or it's not enough and it doesn't occur.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Real technique given only by the old masters of this homosexualry:
    Shoulders back
    Scapulae down
    Hands pushing down
    Biceps hugging the lats
    Do the lat spread in this position.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I once had DOMS in my lats after deadlifting for the first time in 10+ days. I'll nearly always get soreness in my erectors, deep all the way into upper back not just lower. Often traps too.

    I have no idea how it works, but it does. Or it doesn't, I do upper back on a separate day from DL.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I once had DOMS in my lats after deadlifting for the first time in 10+ days. I'll nearly always get soreness in my erectors, deep all the way into upper back not just lower. Often traps too.
      DOMS occur from unaccustomed exercised, I also got insane DOMS from just extending my elbow as hard as possible at the end of a training session to get better mind muscle connection with my triceps, just flexed the triceps hard for like 60 seconds straight
      got DOMS for the rest of the week
      isometric contractions are still contractions that require muscle fibers to produce force and experience mechanical tension, so they do stimulate muscle they're just time inefficient and very fatiguing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >so they do stimulate muscle they're just time inefficient and very fatiguing
        Properly utilized, isometrics are the most time-efficient way to train.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This homie will just hold the dumbbell up and tell you this trains biceps better than curls.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This homie just doubled down on holding the dumbbell up > curls.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >DOMS occur from unaccustomed exercised
        Nah. I have been walking around with quad DOMS for half of the week for 1+ year now. The severity increases if you've had time off, but it's always there.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          maybe it's an individual thing
          some people experience more soreness and we don't know why

          https://i.imgur.com/DBPwvvw.jpg

          that doesn't take into account the passive tension experienced by muscle fibers in the eccentric(the downwards curve)
          isometrics are still a legit wasy to train, they're just hard mentally, they are objectively harder than isotonic contractions

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Two things
    1) deadlift isn't an awesome back builder, but it's not terrible either,
    it's ok (obviously it's very good for the lower back but I'm not talking about that right now)
    2) the reason why it's ok is because while you're getting a shitty ROM, you're getting a pretty good weighted stretch & that's very important. By that same token, an exercise which gives a weighted stretch but also lets you take the muscle through a decent range of motion will always beat out a deadlift at packing on mass in that area. If you were already going to deadlift then it's essentially bonus volume for your upper back, but if you weren't planning on deadlifting it will be silly to introduce it for the purpose of growing your upper back when you can just do some tbar rows, pulldowns, pullovers, shrugs

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