Pretty much this. A successful adult lifestyle is extremely difficult to maintain solo, and the average person is too moronic and undisciplined to make it work,
I think it’s important to note that a single earner used to be able to support themselves and their entire family on a minimum wage salary, too. We can talk about work-life balance and how having a stay-at-home partner helps, but ultimately even if you’re dual income no kids you still often struggle to get by because wages have stagnated so aggressively.
>Women >Labor
Maybe if they did more cooking and waitress jobs. They get in the way in a white/blue collar workplace and can only work meme jobs like HR. This stupid shit of useless jobs only increases inflation tenfolds. Look at the Phillips curve.
My company hires a shit ton of female and black engineers and none of them can actually hack it as engineers. But the company can't fire them so they just get promoted to management jobs and bounce around every two years so their poor performance never catches up to them. We've missed out on every advancement in revenue streams in our industry for 20yrs now because all the white male led R&D teams have been replaced by diversity hire "Innovation" managers. It would be a lot funnier if I wasn't vested in the pension fund.
>We've missed out on every advancement in revenue streams in our industry for 20yrs now because all the white male led R&D teams have been replaced by diversity hire "Innovation" managers.
Do you work with a bunch of cucks who just accept that for years? If your co-workers are good enough, they could at least get a raise if they threatened to quit.
Pretty much this. A successful adult lifestyle is extremely difficult to maintain solo, and the average person is too moronic and undisciplined to make it work,
You just need to get organizized. Modern life is full of little conveniences you need to take FULL advantage of. Eg:
Pre-packaged foods like frozen veggies, pre-cut meat, etc. Also programmable cookware and tupperware.
Disposable 3-blade razors
Washing machines
Pocket-sized supercomputers we carry everywhere with us. Compounded with hyperconnectivity, you can turn any amount of "dead time" into something productive: keep in touch with granma while taking a shit at work, pay your bills waiting for your dentist's appointment, etc.
>Pre-packaged foods like frozen veggies, pre-cut meat, etc. Also programmable cookware and tupperware. >Washing machines
Ask me how I know you dont have a well-trained girlfriend
>mobility flexibility workout
something like a basic calisthenics routine+ running makes basically all your physical issues obsolete unless you have a serious problem >school work
ah yes, the famed school work that people can skip doing for an entire year and still graduate >chores to keep myself clean
clean after yourself immediately after you make a mess and youll never need to do extra shit >need to go to work
if you dont want to then get neetbux moron >need to cook
stop pretending its difficult or time consuming to make edible food >the rest
who cares, youll see them when you see them
>clean after yourself immediately after you make a mess and youll never need to do extra shit
Seems most people can't understand this. If you never make a mess, you never have to clean in the first place. And it's easier to not make a mess than it is to make a mess.
At most you just need to wash clothes and linen, but that takes no more than 10 minutes a week.
You dumb frick. Mobility and flexibility are important as you age, far more so than strength and hypertrophy. Ever wonder why male athletes in their 50s and 60s and turning toward yoga so much? You probably didn't even know that.
I can hear your joints creaking and popping through the fricking screen. I bet when you reach down to tie your shoes it sounds like someone's shaking a God damn maraca
>a woman? You don't need that shit. Work on strength+hypertrophy
You are absolutely stupid dude. Way too many boomers with wrecked knees, bad back and bad feet becasue they ddint do stretching and mobility. Simply lifting over and over again In the same movement pattern isn't going to help.
He's not wrong, a lot of grifters will lead you to do a bunch of junk volume. One chest exercise for the lower chest, one for the middle, one for the upper, one for the inner chest, one for the outer, three triceps exercises to hit all heads, three for both heads of the biceps plus brachioradialis and so on and so forth.
You should keep things simple, grifters overcomplicate things so you feel overwhelming and buy their program because of their "expert knowledge"
If you don't have the time for gymcelling then don't buy into a gymcelling routine, you fricking moron.
And yes, big muscles groups need to be "hit" from different "angles" if you want to maximize gainz. This goes well beyond simply aesthetics. Enjoy your muscle imbalances otherwise.
>Play soccer/tennis/rugby twice a week for 90 min.
LOL, this is "enough" if you're some sedentary normie, but you're never going to be fit just doing 3 hours of cardio a week.
3 hours is enough to remain in shape if you're not a compgay. You won't be at your very best but so what. If you actually go hard I'd say it's the upper limit before it seriously starts interfering with your strength training (unless you're a NEET and have ample time to recover - God bless you).
You can build one muscle then work on the others. The thing about working out, even if you improve 5% that's still better than what most normies so including OP pics
>Play soccer/tennis/rugby twice a week for 90 min.
LOL, this is "enough" if you're some sedentary normie, but you're never going to be fit just doing 3 hours of cardio a week.
Other anon but I’m a tennis coach.
I’m a bit overweight(220 at 6 feet tall)
But holy shit if I didn’t play tennis more than 3 times week I’d be in the ground
Now my goal is the get shredded and be able to take my shirt off when I play
What do you mean nobody? There are plenty of minimalist routines. Even le hecking science based gnome Jeff Nippard has one. And plenty of people in real life do routines like that intuitively. They get off work, train for like 40 minutes, hit the basics maybe 2-3 times a week and that's it, they maintain a nice balanced healthy physique.
But you cant get the best of every world. There are obvious compromises you have to make and most people who are autistic to be on IST or chained by the social media algorithms are in the category who want to maximize the lifting aspecct to the fullest so they train the whole body wth the most time possible because it's all that matters to them, there are no compromises to be made.
so every beginner strength routine?
Do all 4 compounds and you've done your whole body as efficiently as possible. Time is only an issue when you're lifting huge weight and need long rest times
Do you really need cardio programmed for you mate? And mobility is simple to add on. Are you saying there should be a routine where you do strength, mobility, and cardio all at the same time??
>lift around twice per week >bench, row/pullup, OHP, squat/lunge, and something for the arms and hamstrings to finish up >4x6-10 for each compound and 3x8-12 for isolations >20 minutes of fun cardio every morning, more if you're having a lot of fun and have time for more
It's truly that simple >b-but I have no gym!
Get a pair of rings, a pullup bar, and some adjustable dumbbells. You can alter the routine to suit that equipment >I'm a poorgay and can't afford that!
Get only the rings and go work out at the park. If you're living on rice and beans with no running water literally just use park equipment >b-but I have n-no t-time, so HA!
I worked a full time job and was building a business at one point and I still set aside 30 minutes each day to exercise and 15 minutes each day to let myself fully decompress. You can make it work
What? literally the opposite of normies, the weirdest of the weird the hikikomori neets are that way because of what the normie listed,its true, life is just too much and the more you are able to do the normier you are.
Being a wagie is the real issue. Stop wasting money on garbage, workout how much money you really need to exist, then get a job that reflects that. When you aren't sucking Silverberg's dick all day for a few shekels you'll suddenly find tons of time available. Then you can slow down and actually enjoy what you're doing rather than seeing it as a chore taking you away from your limited free time.
>spend time with significant other
What’s she doing to make your life easier? You just have to spend time and energy on her? Is it going anywhere? This is where I would start with optimizing this schedule.
> You just have to spend time and energy on her? Is it going anywhere?
Yeah it’s unironically going into your own mental health. Your relationship with the person you’ll hopefully be spending the rest of your life with should be the last thing on the chopping block.
What this person is not including is the 3+ hours a day during the week and probably 6+ hours a day during the weekend they sit around doing nothing. Surfing the internet while “watching” a show they’ve seen 20 times. Playing video games or watching YouTube mindlessly. They will refuse to sacrifice even 30-40 minutes of that time to do anything productive.
This is why you don't do meme bullshit like "mobility" and "cardio"
Weak minds unable to sort information can't come to definite conclusions, so they revert to vagueness and platitudes. >Well of course you need to do cardio and mobility work. I mean, everyone says so and it sounds le important. You also need to do isolation work and ab work and and and
such is the curse of the unthinking. I used to pity them.
I'm sympathetic to the physical fitness portion. Sadly sedentary lives have made it so coordination and general knowledge on how our body functions are foreign to us. Which brings us to where lifting,mobility ect are now skills to learn.
They’re right. The mandates of modern life are frankly delusional and that’s on top of the problem of a civilization where life is sincerely too complex.
It’s time to admit that the civilization we’ve built for ourselves is a horror show, or has at least gotten away from us.
This guy realizes most fitness is superfluous right? If all he wants is to be healthy he just needs to not eat like an butthole and walk a mile or so a day. He can then be a cog for the rest of the hours.
If he wants to be notably in-shape then, like trying to do anything to a notable level, it’ll require some form of self-sacrifice.
There is a solution, but you're probably not logical enough to unfrick your mind. The normgroid certainly isn't. The tiktok zoomer into fitness may be. We'll see.
just focus on two compound movements a day for upper body and one for lower
stretch after you're done
7 sets bench 7 sets rows then stretch
you're done with gym under an hour
7 sets squats
7 sets ohp 7 sets pullups
7 sets Deadlift
7 sets dips 7 sets barbell bicep curls
7 sets taipei pulls
stretch after each of these 2 sets of 30 seconds the muscles you used
on leg days additionally stretch calves and do 1 dropset
every 3 months change from bulking + 14 reps before increasing weight to cutting + 7 reps before increasing weight
it's easier to maintain and (for beginners) gain strength at lower reps when cutting, than building muscles whilst doing so
cut in fall and spring
bulk in summer and winter and never bulk-bulk
a caloric surplus of 200-300 calories is fine
don't do excessive cardio, it's bad for long term health
go for long walks in nature and occasional hikes to be healthy
eat 1g protein per cm height whether you're man or woman
eat complex carbs + Protein in the morning
simple carbs + Protein for lunch and fat + carbs for dinner
there you go. nothing needs to be optimal.
this is your guide for perfect health with 40 min to 60 min of gym 6x a week which you can easily do every day before or after work
if you're autist without friends you can even do it during lunch break
PS most of these can be supersetted to save time
If people who meet the minimum requirement of having their lives together seems so far fetched to you as to view them as liars depicting themselves deceitfully, that says a lot about you and your abilities.
I found from a young age that what most successful people had and most failures lacked was fortitude. There are other words used to describe it: "toughness" or "resiliency" or whatever but I think that fortitude describes it best.
The Webster's definition is:
>strength of mind that enables a person to encounter danger or bear pain or adversity with courage
I have a full time job, multiple hobbies, a wife, four children, a fitness routine, a side business I'm working on growing right now. It might sound like a lot of things to do but it's really not that hard. I have encountered people throughout my life who always said "whoa look out [insert thing I was taking on - college, marriage, kids, work] is going to totally take away your LIFE!" as if I'd just turn into a zombie with no free time and be tired and miserable 24/7. Every single time I took on one of those tasks I found that it was way easier than everyone had made it out to be, and that it wasn't really that much of a burden.
I recently had this conversation with a family friend who is newly pregnant. She was asking me how my wife and I felt going from zero kids to 1 and then to 4. I basically said hey when it's 3:30 AM and you're tired but the baby is sick and crying and you're awake and checking on them and making sure everything is okay or feeding them or whatever it might seem overwhelming, but you just need some perspective. For millions of years, human beings without the benefit of medicine, comfort of heated homes with electricity and technology and plentiful food and clean water steps away in the kitchen somehow found the strength to live and raise future generations. When you imagine their struggle, yours doesn't seem too difficult. It's just a short period of time in your life that you have to endure some slight discomfort. You need to see it as an enjoyable experience and not as an unfortunate burden. This is what we're here to do, life isn't perpetual comfort, and it shouldn't be.
> I have a full time job, multiple hobbies, a wife, four children, a fitness routine, a side business I'm working on growing right now. It might sound like a lot of things to do but it's really not that hard.
Of course. Another Superman on fit
>well, well, well, another "SUPERMAN" with his BEING EMPLOYED and BEING MARRIED and HAVING CHILDREN and HAVING HOBBIES! >everyone knows that's impossible in this day in age! >if I haven't been able to accomplish these things, anyone else who says they have is a LIAR!
NTA but I've got all that except only one kid and no side business. It's really not that hard to accomplish most of this stuff. Sure, having more kids would be more challenging, but really it doesn't worry me much. Probably gonna have 4 or 5 by the time we're done.
That doesn't always apply, anon.
I've worked as a bouncer, fought armed individuals (guns and knives), knocked people out, did gruesome warehouse and landscaping work, carried thousands of tons on my back and hands... Yet I can't talk to a girl.
I've written two books (for myself), read hundreds more and my IQ drops 40 points in social situations.
Made some decent money working in IT and now I'm living with my parents.
Some people are just losers.
How is that hard to understand? At this point, my parents had their own house, two kids and people liked them.
All I've got is my dog, a few hundred thousand and only one woman (who I did not care about) said she loves me.
You don't know me, but I'm pretty sure I know you. For whatever reason you carry a shame. You are punishing yourself. The anon you're referencing does apply, you've just chosen to cripple yourself.
You don't know me, but I'm pretty sure I know you. For whatever reason you carry a shame. You are punishing yourself. The anon you're referencing does apply, you've just chosen to cripple yourself.
I think most people are just bad at prioritizing things so their mind is constantly occupied with all the things they need or want to do rather than focusing on the things that matter the most first and then working down the list by priority and urgency. The same can be applied to programs and everyone who lifts knows the bread and butter exercises that should be your main focus.
On IST, everyone has a demanding 6-7 figure white collar job, have a very successful side business in another hobby they have mastered, married with multiple children they spend lots of time with, an extensive workout routine they do every single day, have dozens of hobbies they excel in, own their own home and do all the repairs themselves because they have mastered carpentry and plumbing and get 9-10 hours of sleep and have solved life. Really interesting to see such successful people on a website like IST.
I'd guess the blindspot of these people is sleeping time which is genetically pre programmed from birth. I need the amount of sleep I need and so do you, doesn't matter if it's 4 hours or 10 hours, there's nothing you can do about it. Low sleep requirement is a prerequisite for these types of lifestyle and I presume those who have low sleep requirement think everyone who has high sleep requirement must somehow just be lazy. Realistically if you only need 4 to 6 hours a night you hit the jackpot and, like the erstwhile Onassis poster, have a lot more time to succeed in.
Always surround yourself with people better than you to encourage growth.
Even if they’re lying, I can keep comparing myself to their lies and aspire to be more
Because the majority of living humans would simply not be alive if not for the easy mode that is modern civilization. Our population should be one billion at best.
Everyone is a pathetic weakling that does not deserve life.
Any time I see people who do the things a normal life requires I get even more angry and miserable. I’m over 30 and do nothing and can hardly even take care of myself. I’m so depressed and miserable that the thought of doing the bare minimum of adult survival seems beyond my scope of ability
In previous generations people like me would have been killed or died far before the age I am now. I would have been so lucky.
>I have no heckin time for basic activities! >W-what do you mean I should spend less time mindlessly watching and whining on youtube?! >My "Significant Other"'s bull told me to go and watch youtube!
I have a high-paying full-time job, gym a lot, and have a decent enough social life. I can still shitpost for at least 15 hours per week.
Maybe it's just not having a GF kek.
I hear this all the time from people who cannot be bothered to do the minimum of figuring out their own shit. This is a person who swallows platitudes and generic bullshit by the fistful.
I have 3 children, am married, work full time, and finished my MS last year. I have plenty of time for friendships, lifting, and hobbies. I can do this because I'm able to parse through what I need in order to do what is important to me, and what is generic tiktok horse shit. It takes critical thinking and a drive to actually make it work; it's much easier to throw your hands up and say "OH GOD I CAN'T DO ALL THE SHIT THE INTERNET SAYS I SHOULD BE!" like this clown.
People talk about masculinity this and alpha that and blah blah blah, but THIS is what being a man really is. Square your shoulders, work the problem, and do what needs to be done for you and yours. Everything else is static.
>Why normies can't keep up with challenges of modern life?
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IST incels literally curl into the fetal position when handed a job application and live in the same apartment/city for their entire life. If a single inconvenience happened, such as a flat tire, they have literal panic attacks. IST incels are the most sheltered, walled off from the world losers this world has ever known. They all make under $40k/ year because they are incapable of handling any sort of responsibility and I'm pretty sure like half of them still live with their fricking parents over the age of 25 which is so fricking pathetic its unreal
Do people not know how to multi-task?
I'm sure they spend hours watching TV or social. They could at least watch TV when working out, cooking, or cleaning up at the same time.
>MUH HOBBIES
So he wants multiple hours a day to binge videos or shows and play video games. Working out should BE your hobby if you aren't a homosexual
What is it they’re wanting to do instead?
They already mentioned sleep is an inconvenience, so I can only imagine they mean staring at a TV or the wall
i always say that normies can't catch up with the world, and lots if jobs. that's why i even wanna reject girls when i have chance to date. one day, we will be WAY BETTER than them. they are not prepared for hard things to do
just lift 4-5 times a week and do cardio once a week on an exercise bike. It's not that hard. If you lift with proper form the mobility will take care of itself.
I don't really know what you guys are talking about. To me, I see the opposite. I'm an autistic sperg and it really astounds me seeing at how normal people can just do everything in life living as an adult. Getting worthwhile careers and job hopping between them, moving places, buying homes, going on vacations, getting married, having children. It is unbelievable to me how normal people can do these life-changing things so easily while I can barely even take care of myself.
I know how pathetic it is being like this, especially at 31 years old. It's why I know I am beyond help.
Yeah it’s moronic EXCEPT when it comes to programs he’s right. You do not need to fricking foam roll for 20 minutes before or after a workout. You don’t even need to stretch. Amazing how morons will spend as much time on the warmup/cooldown as actually working out
Well, I don't know about all that, maybe he's right maybe not, but I do know if you stack up all the shit you can possibly do a big pile, and then go looking for even more shit like "oh I gotta wash my underpants too" you get overwhelmed and make any situation far worse
ITT: >people overwhelmed by the hypnotic lies of their demon rectangle distorting reality into endless "if you ain't first, you're last" scenarios as though your entire character as human is destroyed in unrealistic shit-tests daily, thus inducing anxiety to never begin trying
VS >scarcity-minded individuals who beat down others in all areas of life instead of lifting eachother up - posting vain hyperbolic statements about their life to brag on an anonymous holocaust denial forum
Both of you are sad as frick with your passive aggressive posts. Your attitudes of division instead of unity are why society is falling apart.
You don't have to be an Olympic athlete or something just to live your life. You can literally do 30 second stretches in the shower if that's all the mobility work you have time for and you'll still benefit.
this guy's a lazy queer. zoomers are b***h made. total dick in the ass homosexuals. any sort of work is too much for them. they can barely get out of bed and wipe their own ass without claiming its an oppressive microagression from the cis white patriarchy forcing them to do it
That poster probably pays a therapist hundreds per month to try to find a solution to all their problems. Most normies are utterly mind broken right now yet act too good for religion which really solves all of their concerns.
i dont read marcus aurelius and a counselor isnt going to do anything a psychiatrist couldnt. Theyre scammers who want to make money. Either way im not depressed anyway im making a point about shrinks.
You post on IST and you're worried about psychaitrists being scammers? You're the most swindled mark of all time. Your point was clear. It's just stupid and incorrect and disproven by your behavior.
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>You post on IST and you're worried about psychaitrists being scammers? You're the most swindled mark of all time
IST is free so tell me how ive been dunked on? You seriously still think IST is "le social outcast fringe" at this point? >incorrect
Ah ok found the shrink. You took personal offense that i insulted your profession. good, you are all idiots and never helped anyone. You reduce the needs of humans to capitalistic profit seeking.
fr, psychologists and therapists say that paying a therapist to talk to you for 20 minutes is the best way to cure mental illness.
The best way to cure mental illness is to make your life more fuffiling, go outside talk to people, do things that make you a better guy, not sit around with some shmuck that says "mhmmm and why do you think that is"
I have problems getting all this stuff done as well but setting habits has helped a lot.
I noticed if I push the trash down, it gets too full and I'll start letting it pile up on the counter. This gets out of hand and getting the kitchen "normal" becomes an hour long task.
I've set sign posts up so that when the trash is full or near fupl, I remove the bag and just set it outside the door. I don't have to take it outside to the can, just right by the door and I can do that the next day. Easy peasy.
Now, trash doesn't pile up on the counter.
The next habit I'm setting is to either rinse, load, dry or unload my dishes in the dishwasher after every meal. At most, we're gonna be talking about 5 items, maybe 4 minutes of work. Now, I don't get dishes piled up in the sink and out onto the counter.
Just have to make habits that you can remember and reinforce that these are easier to do than not do.
I do all that shit + I work and I have some hobby I spend shit loads of time on and I still have shit loads of free time? You need to be a next level moron to think school and going to the gym is "Too much". I know people who train, work, go to college and have kids and they can manage that perfectly fine.
I can’t even take care of myself. I’m a completely worthless man child pathetic autistic loser. I am astounded by seeing people who can take care of themselves and also live normal lives with a lot of things to juggle
>need time for "significant other" >need time with family >need time with friends
False. There, saved you 30 hours every week. >need time to cook
Stop being poor.
yes some people can be tortured by having ease taken away
Women used to stay at home and do most of this stuff
Pretty much this. A successful adult lifestyle is extremely difficult to maintain solo, and the average person is too moronic and undisciplined to make it work,
This x1000
The division of labour led to an easier work-life balance for everyone.
moronic take
ywnbaw
Women you need to get off your phones and do the goddamned laundry.
Factually wrong and moronic.
I think it’s important to note that a single earner used to be able to support themselves and their entire family on a minimum wage salary, too. We can talk about work-life balance and how having a stay-at-home partner helps, but ultimately even if you’re dual income no kids you still often struggle to get by because wages have stagnated so aggressively.
double the available workforce --> halve the value of labor. Basic economics.
>Women
>Labor
Maybe if they did more cooking and waitress jobs. They get in the way in a white/blue collar workplace and can only work meme jobs like HR. This stupid shit of useless jobs only increases inflation tenfolds. Look at the Phillips curve.
My company hires a shit ton of female and black engineers and none of them can actually hack it as engineers. But the company can't fire them so they just get promoted to management jobs and bounce around every two years so their poor performance never catches up to them. We've missed out on every advancement in revenue streams in our industry for 20yrs now because all the white male led R&D teams have been replaced by diversity hire "Innovation" managers. It would be a lot funnier if I wasn't vested in the pension fund.
>We've missed out on every advancement in revenue streams in our industry for 20yrs now because all the white male led R&D teams have been replaced by diversity hire "Innovation" managers.
Do you work with a bunch of cucks who just accept that for years? If your co-workers are good enough, they could at least get a raise if they threatened to quit.
Good old days
Stay at home wives only do two of those things
Three. A good wife helps with cardio too
it's the woman who is complaining
You just need to get organizized. Modern life is full of little conveniences you need to take FULL advantage of. Eg:
Pre-packaged foods like frozen veggies, pre-cut meat, etc. Also programmable cookware and tupperware.
Disposable 3-blade razors
Washing machines
Pocket-sized supercomputers we carry everywhere with us. Compounded with hyperconnectivity, you can turn any amount of "dead time" into something productive: keep in touch with granma while taking a shit at work, pay your bills waiting for your dentist's appointment, etc.
>You just need to get organizized
bro, come on. you know better than this.
Enjoy your cancer and macro plastics from buying all your shit like this
pathetic
Just use glassware/pyrex, Black person.
>Pre-packaged foods like frozen veggies, pre-cut meat, etc. Also programmable cookware and tupperware.
>Washing machines
Ask me how I know you dont have a well-trained girlfriend
Mmm based Chad training his girlfriend like a dog
I appreciate the De Niro post
>Disposable 3-blade razors
moronic scam, get an electric razor or a single balde reusable
>keep in touch with granma while taking a shit
Son? What was that noise?
Nothing grandma, just shit falling into clogger, brb gotta go
>mobility flexibility workout
something like a basic calisthenics routine+ running makes basically all your physical issues obsolete unless you have a serious problem
>school work
ah yes, the famed school work that people can skip doing for an entire year and still graduate
>chores to keep myself clean
clean after yourself immediately after you make a mess and youll never need to do extra shit
>need to go to work
if you dont want to then get neetbux moron
>need to cook
stop pretending its difficult or time consuming to make edible food
>the rest
who cares, youll see them when you see them
>clean after yourself immediately after you make a mess and youll never need to do extra shit
Seems most people can't understand this. If you never make a mess, you never have to clean in the first place. And it's easier to not make a mess than it is to make a mess.
At most you just need to wash clothes and linen, but that takes no more than 10 minutes a week.
>At most you just need to wash clothes and linen, but that takes no more than 10 minutes a week.
So your clothes iron themselves?
cynical butthole
>mealprep and basic planning
I just won you like 10 hours a week.
>Mobility and flexibility
A you a woman? You don't need that shit. Work on strength+hypertrophy
You dumb frick. Mobility and flexibility are important as you age, far more so than strength and hypertrophy. Ever wonder why male athletes in their 50s and 60s and turning toward yoga so much? You probably didn't even know that.
I think strength is more useful than you imagine.
I can hear your joints creaking and popping through the fricking screen. I bet when you reach down to tie your shoes it sounds like someone's shaking a God damn maraca
>Men don't move, they just stay put like the good little fricktoys they are
I've had this wet dream before...
>a woman? You don't need that shit. Work on strength+hypertrophy
You are absolutely stupid dude. Way too many boomers with wrecked knees, bad back and bad feet becasue they ddint do stretching and mobility. Simply lifting over and over again In the same movement pattern isn't going to help.
He's not wrong, a lot of grifters will lead you to do a bunch of junk volume. One chest exercise for the lower chest, one for the middle, one for the upper, one for the inner chest, one for the outer, three triceps exercises to hit all heads, three for both heads of the biceps plus brachioradialis and so on and so forth.
You should keep things simple, grifters overcomplicate things so you feel overwhelming and buy their program because of their "expert knowledge"
If you don't have the time for gymcelling then don't buy into a gymcelling routine, you fricking moron.
And yes, big muscles groups need to be "hit" from different "angles" if you want to maximize gainz. This goes well beyond simply aesthetics. Enjoy your muscle imbalances otherwise.
3 hours is enough to remain in shape if you're not a compgay. You won't be at your very best but so what. If you actually go hard I'd say it's the upper limit before it seriously starts interfering with your strength training (unless you're a NEET and have ample time to recover - God bless you).
You can build one muscle then work on the others. The thing about working out, even if you improve 5% that's still better than what most normies so including OP pics
He’s completely right though. Why does nobody optimise a routine so that it trains the whole body with the least time possible?
Play soccer/tennis/rugby twice a week for 90 min.
Be active during the day by including some walking or biking to your work.
Dont drink to much alcohol and cook your meals
That's all you need to be healthy.
Strengh training is a meme if you have and active lifestyle.
None of that will get me big, which is more important than mere longevity. Rugby players all weight train too.
Well than you will need to do more and you'll have to make sacrifices
>Play soccer/tennis/rugby twice a week for 90 min.
LOL, this is "enough" if you're some sedentary normie, but you're never going to be fit just doing 3 hours of cardio a week.
Other anon but I’m a tennis coach.
I’m a bit overweight(220 at 6 feet tall)
But holy shit if I didn’t play tennis more than 3 times week I’d be in the ground
Now my goal is the get shredded and be able to take my shirt off when I play
What do you mean nobody? There are plenty of minimalist routines. Even le hecking science based gnome Jeff Nippard has one. And plenty of people in real life do routines like that intuitively. They get off work, train for like 40 minutes, hit the basics maybe 2-3 times a week and that's it, they maintain a nice balanced healthy physique.
But you cant get the best of every world. There are obvious compromises you have to make and most people who are autistic to be on IST or chained by the social media algorithms are in the category who want to maximize the lifting aspecct to the fullest so they train the whole body wth the most time possible because it's all that matters to them, there are no compromises to be made.
>gnome Jeff Nippard
STOP THE HATE AGAINST THE OTHERWISE-TALL!
so every beginner strength routine?
Do all 4 compounds and you've done your whole body as efficiently as possible. Time is only an issue when you're lifting huge weight and need long rest times
This. I'm on a beginner routine and i only am in the gym for 30-40 minutes. Throw in a few accecories and shower time and you're still under 1 hour
no cardio and no mobility work
Do you really need cardio programmed for you mate? And mobility is simple to add on. Are you saying there should be a routine where you do strength, mobility, and cardio all at the same time??
>routine where you do strength, mobility, and cardio all at the same time
It's called muay thai/kickboxing lel.
>lift around twice per week
>bench, row/pullup, OHP, squat/lunge, and something for the arms and hamstrings to finish up
>4x6-10 for each compound and 3x8-12 for isolations
>20 minutes of fun cardio every morning, more if you're having a lot of fun and have time for more
It's truly that simple
>b-but I have no gym!
Get a pair of rings, a pullup bar, and some adjustable dumbbells. You can alter the routine to suit that equipment
>I'm a poorgay and can't afford that!
Get only the rings and go work out at the park. If you're living on rice and beans with no running water literally just use park equipment
>b-but I have n-no t-time, so HA!
I worked a full time job and was building a business at one point and I still set aside 30 minutes each day to exercise and 15 minutes each day to let myself fully decompress. You can make it work
It exists and it's just doing all the big compounds 2-3x a week but no one likes that because it's boring.
What? literally the opposite of normies, the weirdest of the weird the hikikomori neets are that way because of what the normie listed,its true, life is just too much and the more you are able to do the normier you are.
>the normier I am..
Being a wagie is the real issue. Stop wasting money on garbage, workout how much money you really need to exist, then get a job that reflects that. When you aren't sucking Silverberg's dick all day for a few shekels you'll suddenly find tons of time available. Then you can slow down and actually enjoy what you're doing rather than seeing it as a chore taking you away from your limited free time.
>spend time with significant other
What’s she doing to make your life easier? You just have to spend time and energy on her? Is it going anywhere? This is where I would start with optimizing this schedule.
> You just have to spend time and energy on her? Is it going anywhere?
Yeah it’s unironically going into your own mental health. Your relationship with the person you’ll hopefully be spending the rest of your life with should be the last thing on the chopping block.
What this person is not including is the 3+ hours a day during the week and probably 6+ hours a day during the weekend they sit around doing nothing. Surfing the internet while “watching” a show they’ve seen 20 times. Playing video games or watching YouTube mindlessly. They will refuse to sacrifice even 30-40 minutes of that time to do anything productive.
This is why you don't do meme bullshit like "mobility" and "cardio"
Weak minds unable to sort information can't come to definite conclusions, so they revert to vagueness and platitudes.
>Well of course you need to do cardio and mobility work. I mean, everyone says so and it sounds le important. You also need to do isolation work and ab work and and and
such is the curse of the unthinking. I used to pity them.
I do mobility work for high-kicks (would be cool to learn them) and ATG squats.
Youre gonna die of a heart attack after all that trt
>significant other
>mobility routine
>flexibility routine
lollercopter Black just lift
This guy doesn't actually do most of those things, you can tell from his wording that he's listing off things he wished he did every day
I wonder how much time this person wastes on social media and entertainment
I'm sympathetic to the physical fitness portion. Sadly sedentary lives have made it so coordination and general knowledge on how our body functions are foreign to us. Which brings us to where lifting,mobility ect are now skills to learn.
>normies
They’re right. The mandates of modern life are frankly delusional and that’s on top of the problem of a civilization where life is sincerely too complex.
It’s time to admit that the civilization we’ve built for ourselves is a horror show, or has at least gotten away from us.
Capitalism kills
This guy realizes most fitness is superfluous right? If all he wants is to be healthy he just needs to not eat like an butthole and walk a mile or so a day. He can then be a cog for the rest of the hours.
If he wants to be notably in-shape then, like trying to do anything to a notable level, it’ll require some form of self-sacrifice.
><lists everything you can possibly do>
>have a life in general
can someone explain this for my autism?
women were a mistake.
There is a solution, but you're probably not logical enough to unfrick your mind. The normgroid certainly isn't. The tiktok zoomer into fitness may be. We'll see.
Uh whats the solution anon
just focus on two compound movements a day for upper body and one for lower
stretch after you're done
7 sets bench 7 sets rows then stretch
you're done with gym under an hour
7 sets squats
7 sets ohp 7 sets pullups
7 sets Deadlift
7 sets dips 7 sets barbell bicep curls
7 sets taipei pulls
stretch after each of these 2 sets of 30 seconds the muscles you used
on leg days additionally stretch calves and do 1 dropset
every 3 months change from bulking + 14 reps before increasing weight to cutting + 7 reps before increasing weight
it's easier to maintain and (for beginners) gain strength at lower reps when cutting, than building muscles whilst doing so
cut in fall and spring
bulk in summer and winter and never bulk-bulk
a caloric surplus of 200-300 calories is fine
don't do excessive cardio, it's bad for long term health
go for long walks in nature and occasional hikes to be healthy
eat 1g protein per cm height whether you're man or woman
eat complex carbs + Protein in the morning
simple carbs + Protein for lunch and fat + carbs for dinner
there you go. nothing needs to be optimal.
this is your guide for perfect health with 40 min to 60 min of gym 6x a week which you can easily do every day before or after work
if you're autist without friends you can even do it during lunch break
PS most of these can be supersetted to save time
I feel like you intentionally made this as complicated and difficult as possible. Gravettian genes no doubt.
It’s really interesting how on here, the fitness board on IST, coincidentally every guy here is one the most successful people on the planet.
If people who meet the minimum requirement of having their lives together seems so far fetched to you as to view them as liars depicting themselves deceitfully, that says a lot about you and your abilities.
I found from a young age that what most successful people had and most failures lacked was fortitude. There are other words used to describe it: "toughness" or "resiliency" or whatever but I think that fortitude describes it best.
The Webster's definition is:
>strength of mind that enables a person to encounter danger or bear pain or adversity with courage
I have a full time job, multiple hobbies, a wife, four children, a fitness routine, a side business I'm working on growing right now. It might sound like a lot of things to do but it's really not that hard. I have encountered people throughout my life who always said "whoa look out [insert thing I was taking on - college, marriage, kids, work] is going to totally take away your LIFE!" as if I'd just turn into a zombie with no free time and be tired and miserable 24/7. Every single time I took on one of those tasks I found that it was way easier than everyone had made it out to be, and that it wasn't really that much of a burden.
I recently had this conversation with a family friend who is newly pregnant. She was asking me how my wife and I felt going from zero kids to 1 and then to 4. I basically said hey when it's 3:30 AM and you're tired but the baby is sick and crying and you're awake and checking on them and making sure everything is okay or feeding them or whatever it might seem overwhelming, but you just need some perspective. For millions of years, human beings without the benefit of medicine, comfort of heated homes with electricity and technology and plentiful food and clean water steps away in the kitchen somehow found the strength to live and raise future generations. When you imagine their struggle, yours doesn't seem too difficult. It's just a short period of time in your life that you have to endure some slight discomfort. You need to see it as an enjoyable experience and not as an unfortunate burden. This is what we're here to do, life isn't perpetual comfort, and it shouldn't be.
> I have a full time job, multiple hobbies, a wife, four children, a fitness routine, a side business I'm working on growing right now. It might sound like a lot of things to do but it's really not that hard.
Of course. Another Superman on fit
>well, well, well, another "SUPERMAN" with his BEING EMPLOYED and BEING MARRIED and HAVING CHILDREN and HAVING HOBBIES!
>everyone knows that's impossible in this day in age!
>if I haven't been able to accomplish these things, anyone else who says they have is a LIAR!
NTA but I've got all that except only one kid and no side business. It's really not that hard to accomplish most of this stuff. Sure, having more kids would be more challenging, but really it doesn't worry me much. Probably gonna have 4 or 5 by the time we're done.
Post your kids.
That doesn't always apply, anon.
I've worked as a bouncer, fought armed individuals (guns and knives), knocked people out, did gruesome warehouse and landscaping work, carried thousands of tons on my back and hands... Yet I can't talk to a girl.
I've written two books (for myself), read hundreds more and my IQ drops 40 points in social situations.
Made some decent money working in IT and now I'm living with my parents.
Some people are just losers.
> Made some decent money working in IT and now I'm living with my parents.
I don’t get it
are you a brainrotten amerifat who can't imagine a family structure that is not a degenerate nuclear family?
He went from talking about his jobs and money to saying he’s living with his parents now and is a loser. Doesn’t make sense
ok, i see. you are right.
How is that hard to understand? At this point, my parents had their own house, two kids and people liked them.
All I've got is my dog, a few hundred thousand and only one woman (who I did not care about) said she loves me.
>You don't know me
I think I do.
You don't know me, but I'm pretty sure I know you. For whatever reason you carry a shame. You are punishing yourself. The anon you're referencing does apply, you've just chosen to cripple yourself.
I think most people are just bad at prioritizing things so their mind is constantly occupied with all the things they need or want to do rather than focusing on the things that matter the most first and then working down the list by priority and urgency. The same can be applied to programs and everyone who lifts knows the bread and butter exercises that should be your main focus.
On IST, everyone has a demanding 6-7 figure white collar job, have a very successful side business in another hobby they have mastered, married with multiple children they spend lots of time with, an extensive workout routine they do every single day, have dozens of hobbies they excel in, own their own home and do all the repairs themselves because they have mastered carpentry and plumbing and get 9-10 hours of sleep and have solved life. Really interesting to see such successful people on a website like IST.
I'd guess the blindspot of these people is sleeping time which is genetically pre programmed from birth. I need the amount of sleep I need and so do you, doesn't matter if it's 4 hours or 10 hours, there's nothing you can do about it. Low sleep requirement is a prerequisite for these types of lifestyle and I presume those who have low sleep requirement think everyone who has high sleep requirement must somehow just be lazy. Realistically if you only need 4 to 6 hours a night you hit the jackpot and, like the erstwhile Onassis poster, have a lot more time to succeed in.
Always surround yourself with people better than you to encourage growth.
Even if they’re lying, I can keep comparing myself to their lies and aspire to be more
Because the majority of living humans would simply not be alive if not for the easy mode that is modern civilization. Our population should be one billion at best.
Everyone is a pathetic weakling that does not deserve life.
Any time I see people who do the things a normal life requires I get even more angry and miserable. I’m over 30 and do nothing and can hardly even take care of myself. I’m so depressed and miserable that the thought of doing the bare minimum of adult survival seems beyond my scope of ability
In previous generations people like me would have been killed or died far before the age I am now. I would have been so lucky.
Just matched with her and her account is verified. How is this possible?
>short term
Somehow she was actually a bit haha, should have know it was too good to be true. Got a new match anyway so don't care.
Bot*
Because it's easy as frick to bypass tinder's shitty verification. That's 100% a bot/Pajeet scammer.
How's it easy? You need to show your face on camera.
There are ai apps now that will apply a filter to your camera in real time.
Looks bogged.
>get verified
>change picture
Looks like a prostitute
>work out with any significant degree of exertion
>incapacitated for two or three days
I wonder why.
>I have no heckin time for basic activities!
>W-what do you mean I should spend less time mindlessly watching and whining on youtube?!
>My "Significant Other"'s bull told me to go and watch youtube!
>meal prep
>excercises that require flexibily+loaded
Their hobby is mostly porn and that takes hours and hours every day for them.
It's hard, but it gets easier. Sometimes I need to say no or drop stuff in order to manage.
The only things I don't compromise are:
>Exercise
>Diet
>Hygiene
I have a high-paying full-time job, gym a lot, and have a decent enough social life. I can still shitpost for at least 15 hours per week.
Maybe it's just not having a GF kek.
I hear this all the time from people who cannot be bothered to do the minimum of figuring out their own shit. This is a person who swallows platitudes and generic bullshit by the fistful.
I have 3 children, am married, work full time, and finished my MS last year. I have plenty of time for friendships, lifting, and hobbies. I can do this because I'm able to parse through what I need in order to do what is important to me, and what is generic tiktok horse shit. It takes critical thinking and a drive to actually make it work; it's much easier to throw your hands up and say "OH GOD I CAN'T DO ALL THE SHIT THE INTERNET SAYS I SHOULD BE!" like this clown.
People talk about masculinity this and alpha that and blah blah blah, but THIS is what being a man really is. Square your shoulders, work the problem, and do what needs to be done for you and yours. Everything else is static.
It would be nice to be as great of a man as you are who can do literally everything no problem
What's scarier to you?
The reality that you could do the same and get what you want out of life, or the belief that you just "can't even".
It's your call. I'm telling you with certainty that if you want it, it's there. Far from easy, but nothing worth doing is.
This doesn't help at all. Might as well tell him to just be himself.
>THIS is what being a man really is
Pathetic. You have proven yourself capable of achieving the bare minimum.
>Why normies can't keep up with challenges of modern life?
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IST incels literally curl into the fetal position when handed a job application and live in the same apartment/city for their entire life. If a single inconvenience happened, such as a flat tire, they have literal panic attacks. IST incels are the most sheltered, walled off from the world losers this world has ever known. They all make under $40k/ year because they are incapable of handling any sort of responsibility and I'm pretty sure like half of them still live with their fricking parents over the age of 25 which is so fricking pathetic its unreal
Why are you seething? Was this your comment? Life isn't hard, you fricking moron. Stop seething and go work out
Don't waste your time on relationships and the family meme. You have all the time in the world for lifting.
Why are we flipping the definition of normie on its head now?
Do people not know how to multi-task?
I'm sure they spend hours watching TV or social. They could at least watch TV when working out, cooking, or cleaning up at the same time.
>MUH HOBBIES
So he wants multiple hours a day to binge videos or shows and play video games. Working out should BE your hobby if you aren't a homosexual
What is it they’re wanting to do instead?
They already mentioned sleep is an inconvenience, so I can only imagine they mean staring at a TV or the wall
Alphas and slaves was the natural order of the world. Equality is satan.
ultimatekek
FINALLY!
i always say that normies can't catch up with the world, and lots if jobs. that's why i even wanna reject girls when i have chance to date. one day, we will be WAY BETTER than them. they are not prepared for hard things to do
just lift 4-5 times a week and do cardio once a week on an exercise bike. It's not that hard. If you lift with proper form the mobility will take care of itself.
I don't really know what you guys are talking about. To me, I see the opposite. I'm an autistic sperg and it really astounds me seeing at how normal people can just do everything in life living as an adult. Getting worthwhile careers and job hopping between them, moving places, buying homes, going on vacations, getting married, having children. It is unbelievable to me how normal people can do these life-changing things so easily while I can barely even take care of myself.
I know how pathetic it is being like this, especially at 31 years old. It's why I know I am beyond help.
Yeah it’s moronic EXCEPT when it comes to programs he’s right. You do not need to fricking foam roll for 20 minutes before or after a workout. You don’t even need to stretch. Amazing how morons will spend as much time on the warmup/cooldown as actually working out
Well, I don't know about all that, maybe he's right maybe not, but I do know if you stack up all the shit you can possibly do a big pile, and then go looking for even more shit like "oh I gotta wash my underpants too" you get overwhelmed and make any situation far worse
ITT:
>people overwhelmed by the hypnotic lies of their demon rectangle distorting reality into endless "if you ain't first, you're last" scenarios as though your entire character as human is destroyed in unrealistic shit-tests daily, thus inducing anxiety to never begin trying
VS
>scarcity-minded individuals who beat down others in all areas of life instead of lifting eachother up - posting vain hyperbolic statements about their life to brag on an anonymous holocaust denial forum
Both of you are sad as frick with your passive aggressive posts. Your attitudes of division instead of unity are why society is falling apart.
You don't have to be an Olympic athlete or something just to live your life. You can literally do 30 second stretches in the shower if that's all the mobility work you have time for and you'll still benefit.
this guy's a lazy queer. zoomers are b***h made. total dick in the ass homosexuals. any sort of work is too much for them. they can barely get out of bed and wipe their own ass without claiming its an oppressive microagression from the cis white patriarchy forcing them to do it
That poster probably pays a therapist hundreds per month to try to find a solution to all their problems. Most normies are utterly mind broken right now yet act too good for religion which really solves all of their concerns.
Ahahaha, you guise really hate being happy
>happy
>modern psychiatry
Lol dont be delusional anon. They arent going to make you happy.
But posting on IST and reading Marcus Aurelius will?
Go to a counselor if you're too much of a pussy to go to a psychiatrist.
i dont read marcus aurelius and a counselor isnt going to do anything a psychiatrist couldnt. Theyre scammers who want to make money. Either way im not depressed anyway im making a point about shrinks.
You post on IST and you're worried about psychaitrists being scammers? You're the most swindled mark of all time. Your point was clear. It's just stupid and incorrect and disproven by your behavior.
>You post on IST and you're worried about psychaitrists being scammers? You're the most swindled mark of all time
IST is free so tell me how ive been dunked on? You seriously still think IST is "le social outcast fringe" at this point?
>incorrect
Ah ok found the shrink. You took personal offense that i insulted your profession. good, you are all idiots and never helped anyone. You reduce the needs of humans to capitalistic profit seeking.
fr, psychologists and therapists say that paying a therapist to talk to you for 20 minutes is the best way to cure mental illness.
The best way to cure mental illness is to make your life more fuffiling, go outside talk to people, do things that make you a better guy, not sit around with some shmuck that says "mhmmm and why do you think that is"
I have problems getting all this stuff done as well but setting habits has helped a lot.
I noticed if I push the trash down, it gets too full and I'll start letting it pile up on the counter. This gets out of hand and getting the kitchen "normal" becomes an hour long task.
I've set sign posts up so that when the trash is full or near fupl, I remove the bag and just set it outside the door. I don't have to take it outside to the can, just right by the door and I can do that the next day. Easy peasy.
Now, trash doesn't pile up on the counter.
The next habit I'm setting is to either rinse, load, dry or unload my dishes in the dishwasher after every meal. At most, we're gonna be talking about 5 items, maybe 4 minutes of work. Now, I don't get dishes piled up in the sink and out onto the counter.
Just have to make habits that you can remember and reinforce that these are easier to do than not do.
I do all that shit + I work and I have some hobby I spend shit loads of time on and I still have shit loads of free time? You need to be a next level moron to think school and going to the gym is "Too much". I know people who train, work, go to college and have kids and they can manage that perfectly fine.
This isn't even that much stuff, manage your time better. Plus what is having a life in general mean when doing all thay other stuff already?
I can’t even take care of myself. I’m a completely worthless man child pathetic autistic loser. I am astounded by seeing people who can take care of themselves and also live normal lives with a lot of things to juggle
WAIT UNTILL YOU HAVE A BABY AND YOUR WIFE IS STILL IN UNI!
It's designed to keep people busy and exhausted.
>need time for "significant other"
>need time with family
>need time with friends
False. There, saved you 30 hours every week.
>need time to cook
Stop being poor.