Why people roid? If you lift for yourself then why roid knowing it fricks up your body? Is the risk worth it? And im not talking about the money you have to spend to buy steroids ans maintain your roided body and later the medicines you have to buy to not fricking die of a heart attack. So why do it?
Why drink alcohol or smoke etc.?
No one is saying alcohol and gays are not dangerous
no one is saying saucing isn’t either
>Equivocating injectable exogenous hormones with cigs and liquor
Mental illness
Yes, you do have mental illness caused by oversocialization.
I don’t do either of those things, but I would happily hop on some test right now.
>lift for yourself
Not a thing. It all leads to something else.
In my opinion the dudes who roid just to get big are moronic.
I take test cyp 300mg/week1+ CJC 1295/ ipomorelin, I would not be taking this stuff if I was just a gym bro.
I am a professional grappler and literally everyone in my sport is juiced plus the volume of training would be nearly unmanageable without it.
It makes complete sense for athletes who are trying to make a living off their sports, but if your just a dude with a 9-5 who likes to go to the gym and you decide to sauce its pretty moronic and pointless.
Are Islam and Kamaru from UFC roidtards too? You mention the volume of training and i think that is the realeast thing i read from a roid user
Yes definitely. I've never met a grappler/fighter from Russian / Dagestan who wasn't on roids.
When your given a drug test you typically have notice- and if its a surprise test like what USADA will do in the UFC where they can just show up at your doorstep you can tell them to frick off like 4 times before you get fined / suspended. It's relatively easy to not piss hot if you have a knowledge team behind you.
So you're a cheater basically. PEDs need to be banned from sports outside of solo shit.
PEDs are like a cheat code in video games. Cheat code on a single player game? Who cares, but on pve? You frick other people's experience.
>cheater vs cheater
i think that is fair when everyone roid. And the whole "you need to roid because of the volume of your training" is actually true. MMA fighters workout for 6 fricking hours a day, you cant do that without roids
>i think that is fair when everyone roid.
PEDs shouldn't be allowed at all
>MMA fighters workout for 6 fricking hours a day, you cant do that without roids
Huh? I used to train like that as a teen. No PEDs needed. Ya sure I don't have that motivation anymore since life drained me emotionally, but you don't need roids to put in hrs. Even now I put in like 3-5 hrs a day. Also fighters don't even train for hypertrophy. They just train endurance. Oddly enough you get a bunch of dad bod fighters too while on roids. Fricking weird
>i trained 6 hours for hypertrophy
you dont need to lie anon
As a teen I was focused on high amounts of volume. For instance 1000 pushups with 45lb in 40 min, curling a 20lb dumbbell 1800 times per arm without stopping once every 2 second (hr each since only had 1 20lb dumbbell). etc. Now, idk why it takes me that long.. I'm actually fricking up probably since I'm basically catching my breathe a lot after a set to the point where it takes me like 30 min just to finish 5 sets of 10 before moving on to a new exercise where I do another 5 sets of 10. Also since I do a lot of different exercises, it just ends up adding to a lot of time.. I should be reducing my rest times though because realistically it should probably only take me 2 hrs to finish my routine
>6 hours of cardio everyday
kek.
Curling a 20lb dumbbell 1800 times per arm isn't really cardio. Well maybe it is. My goal as a teen was just to push my body and mind to its ultimate limit by torturing it to an insane degree since I wanted to reach a level of will power no other human could compare to. I don't give a shit about that anymore though.
Out of curiosity, anon, how old are you now?
28
If no one is on it, everyone will have the same disadvantage. It's ass because say someone wants to fight in a tournament and is adamant on being natty, the game is rigged against them. No honor.
Don't hate the player hate the game- If it's allowed in whatever federation that natty fighter is fighting in he has to accept the disadvantage.
I wish there was no PED use at all in the sport or any sports for that matter but there is so as an athlete you have to make the choice and face reality.
Black person anything that goes over 15 reps is fricking cardio. You just mentioned you did 1000 reps, doesnt matter how much weight you add if you can do 1000 reps of it ITS FRICKING CARDIO. You talk like a toddler. How old are you?
28, gay. And even though it was cardio, it was basically endurance training and I had a frickload of it. I focus on sets of 10-12 now.
>IS NOT CARDIO
>OH WELL YES IS CARDIO
kek. what game are you playing here anon? are you larping?
This homosexual is larping and has never actually sparred in his life if he considers MMA training as strictly endurance training.
Because it literally is, dumb homosexual. A fighter's routine is basically all cardio, moron. Sparring is cardio. Punching a bag is cardio. They don't focus on hypertrophy. They focus on high volume and endurance.
anon doesnt matter if its cardio they workout for 6 to 8 hours a day. Grappling is even harder than sparring because you are using your strenght against somebody else. You need to recover faster to go back to the grind, that is why they roid, to RECOVER. Not to have bigger muscles but to go back, get better at their technique, get better cardio, get better at whatever the frick they need to be good at their sport. If you think roids only work for hypertrophy then this is not your league, even cyclist and sprinters roid. You literally have no fricking idea what are your talking about and compare your personal experience as a teen to something a professional fricking fighter does
Learn to read, homosexual. PEDs should be banned and have everyone face the same disadvantages
No, i want to see roided guy vs roided guy. Like Pride back in the day.
Ok fricking spar with someone full out, take kicks, grapple, take head shots etc, lmk if it feels like you just got off a treadmill / assault bike- This moron is trying to oversimplify training by saying its basically just cardio- its more then that homosexual and I wasn't saying there's no cardio being done while training there obviously is.
You must legit don't know what cardio is or you just really suck at fighting if you think bag work and sparring session are cardio and not bouts of anaerobic explosiveness ie speed and strength dependent.
Exactly.
>i used to train 6 hours a day
what? the frick did you do in 6 hours if you are not a MMA fighter or grappler or Thai fighter?
lol you used to train as a teen. You can recover from anything when your a teenager. try that intense training regimen as an adult.
>They just train endurance
yeah dude by sparring you know how much wear and tear a full out sparring session puts on your body? and sparring for hours upon hours daily? Clearly you don't.
Roids are absolutely needed for people training 6-8 hrs a day so they can recover, avoid injury and continue to develop skill/ maintaining an intense training regimen.
i bet you think people in the olympics are clean lmao
Obviously not, dumbass. Ronie was though in pic rel. Anyone who says otherwise has an inferiority complex. He gained so much mass from THIS starting point. Like 100lb of muscle or some shit around there after he jumped into PEDs
100% true
Lol I never said I wasn't a cheater man.
High level competitive BJJ has an absurd amount of PED users, If your not on it your at an extreme disadvantage. Go on instagram and view the top guys in BJJ they all look like bodybuilders. You can't achieve that type of physique with the amount of cardio a professional grapplers training regiment requires.
There are very few pro competitors who are not on something.
I feed my family doing this, I have to win by all means necessary.
- On top of that most high level events don't ban PED use (ADCC) which is essentially the Olympics of BJJ. So it's only cheating if you partake in events that ban PEDs (IBJJF).
I understand your point completely but if you were in my shoes / experienced what I have during my career you would understand why I and everyone in the sport at a high level uses it.
>You can't achieve that type of physique with the amount of cardio a professional grapplers training regiment requires.
I feel most fighters lie about how much training they do lol. Pic rel. The dude is a UFC pro like what the frick
I can't believe they allow anyone to take PEDs. That shit is infuriating and should be mocker, not swept under the rug. It's like watching a bunch of trannies fight. Do whatever to get that bread I guess, but shit I don't like it
>is a UFC pro
he fought ONCE in the early UFC. At least put some of those fat modern heavyweights to make a point. Pride days were the best and everyone were taking roids back then, pure violence
Yeah that guy was in PRIDE when the UFC first started out, They were just taking these massive guys and have them fight smaller opponents, it was all theatrics - If you watch that guy fight he is literally just a fight guy with very little training.
>I am a professional grappler and literally everyone in my sport is juiced
>professional
>doesn't make money from it
Slap fighting in your little gym doesn't make you a pro, lol. How much money have you won from tournaments? I can't believe they even allow that shit in a formal setting.
>anon gives a good and interested answer
>that anon who only comes to IST to demoralize people shows up.
Its sunday my man, go enjoy some sunlight
I make decent money actually- I own my gym, get paid from privates (well known so I can upcharge), sell instructionals online.
I also win a decent amount of money from competing more then you would think. Big grappling tournaments purses have also been getting better as well which is great.
How old are you btw?
I been doing bjj for 4 years but since turning 30 all the passion is gone.
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I'm about to turn 30- i've been training 9 years total but I have been pro & full time for about 6 years now.
If you lost passion you need to do something to make it exciting again.
Consider hopping schools, a lot of the time when BJJ becomes boring its because the instructor has a stale curriculum / has lost passion himself. Or the core group of guys are lame / clicky.
I don't know if you compete or not but something that also always lit my flame (obviously) was prepping for a comp.
Sign up for a local tournament, training with purpose/ intention to improve so you can frick people up at a comp almost always gets your head back in the game.
>just assumes the guy doesn't make money from it for absolutely no reason at all
You are a moronic homosexual, rope
Hes won loads of cum in his mouth and ass as all fighters are gay
>Why people roid?
Why pajeets not know english?
1. People are lazy and "want gains now!"
2. Insecurity
Only people that I respect that used PEDs are top of the top body builders because they do it to surpass natty limits. Imagine roiding just to look natty still. Shit is a disgrace. Twink body+roid is especially a sad combo. Like at least get swole, holy shit
Based
This is my exact problem with roided up zoomers
>it fricks up your body?
my man a couple test-e cycles wont frick you up lol
>Yea bro it's just a COUPLE of cycles
This is your brain on addiction.
People think it's always a couple, until they realize that once they stop, training is not only much harder, but also you can see your gains vanishing little by little regardless of how well you are training
Yep. Kills testosterone production. Once you take it, you can't get off or you'll be worse off then before the day you started roiding. Just a matter of time. That said, Idk if just one cycle ends you or if there's still time to go back to normal.
It's not usually permanent. Your balls usually start right back up depending on what you were taking there are several peds that don't cause testicular atrophy. There's also chemicals you can get to effectively jump-start them again. A lot of times your natural baseline test is even higher after a cycle or two. A lot of what you hear about peds is natty cope or taken from the most extreme examples. You really do have to read about this stuff on your own to get a clear picture of what they do because it's a topic that's very loaded with already formed opinions and propaganda.
Some people are just not mentally strong to understand this
>Cycle -> rest
Leads to
>Quick and large gains -> some losses
Which will still be much more than if you trained naturally linearly
However, people feel discouraged during the losing, and thus start abusing roids without letting their body rest
Just sounds like copium honestly. Show me sources
Show sources that taking test, working out, and hopping off cycle not only makes you LOSE all your gains, but end up worse than you started. That makes no sense.
Is this true? I've heard that doing a couple small cycles then stopping could push the natty limit even afterwards? Is that cope?
Well it's not natty if you juiced to get there, dumbass.
Maybe. I read something like that related to mice. I'm too worried to try that though lol.
mad+cope
=maoping
People who want to be bigger than others likely won't get to the state they want without the help of steroids.
Of course, it raises the question of why they want to be bigger than others. Most likely cope
i'm on 500mgs of test c a week frick that grappler gay itt i do it cause i can my girlfriend doesn't care and i look better
Why would you even need test? Are you 50?
im OP, my english is not very good but i didnt understand what the frick you are talking about.
I'll translate. He takes 500msgs of test-e on a weekly basis. He does so because it makes him look better, and his women doesn't mind. He also called a gentleman in this thread, the ones who does a grappling sport, a homosexual and to frick him as well.
>cause i can
How about you tell us the real reason?
I dont know. Roid gays in youtube vids and body build comps try look glamorous. You see them irl walking around they look like goofy dinosaurs. The local brachiosaurus walking around with all that blown up mass.
It's just drug abuse
Often those guys are degenerates out of the gym as well
Impatience poor hormones, genetics not suited to post puberty muscle growth, poor leverages ect. It doesn't have to frick you up. There's as many if not more roiding strategies as there are lifting strategies. If you're not dealt a great hand you don't have to just "make it work" because more often than not it won't. Sure it's more costly and comes with a set of precautions but some people are willing to pay that for a sure thing.
>My goal as a teen was just to push my body and mind to its ultimate limit by torturing it to an insane degree since I wanted to reach a level of will power no other human could compare to
For sure this homosexuals watch anime religiously and larps. Post body please.
Keep coping just because you can't do what I did as a teen.
anon please post body
I don't want to without a pump. Here's my arm from a month ago though and that's after the reset aka it's smaller than in my teen years and I basically had to start from scratch because of.. let's just say health complications. I'm not going into specifics.
Post your arm now or frick off
>here is a pic of one month ago
anon you have your phone right there, you can post a picture of today that doesnt show only the dyel arm.
>only the dyel arm.
Now you have to post yours 🙂
And I just said I'm not posting body pre pump, moron. Do you even know what a pump is?
are you the guy that yesterday was mad because people told him he is not ottermode but skinny fat? Is that the reason why you dont post body?
Uh, no? Making shit up now?
You're actually moronic.
You're actually a dyel homosexual LOL
Cardio or not, I don't care. It was highly intensive endurance training you wouldn't have been able to handle. Stop b***hing about technicalities.
this. I could curl 30 pounds 100 times as a teen but what I did was eventually move 40. 55. Can do 30 seated curls with 65 pound dumbell one arm.
You wasted your time. Any dumbass teen would of upped the weight you were exceptionally moronic.
Black person, I was curling 50lb dumbbells in my teen years. I mentioned the 20lb one because whether you want to accept it or not, that shit was WR level aka harder than curling 50lb dumbbells. Post arm 🙂
if you are the guy in the pic it doesnt look like you curled 50lb dumbells at all. Maybe 20lb in each arm.
You stupid ass b***h. I literally said my arms were bigger as a teen. No shit they'd shrink after 11 years of not training.
Post
Your
Arm
No, it is simple. You're just trying to make it seem like it's deeper than it really is. Tard. The way they train is basically to get more stamina
not that guy but why you mad at everyone you are replying? chill m8, looks like you need some MMA training to make that stress leave your body.
Maybe. I was looking into it, but the amount of PEDs in the sport makes me salty
okay
Ok your so moronic its actually unbelievable.
And I'm also moronic for taking your bait- frick yourself anon.
You're an idiot. It's not that fricking deep.
He and you say that, yet no arm posted LOL. And again, I used to curl 50lb dumbbells as a teen. Atm I've been cross hammer curling 55lb and curling 40lb, but only a matter of time (like a month max) before I can probably go back to 50lb.
I train fulltime and take test you really think I am a DYEL?
You're so moronic.
Post your arm then 🙂
Fricking homosexual
Hate it when you twinks ask for pics and then when someone posts shit, you don't post yours
I mean yes it is that deep if you train hard enough, I am telling you from first hand experience doing this as a career.
Fighting and training for 40hrs+ a week can be extremely deep, digging deep within yourself to work out of bad situations and not tap, digging deep to not give up after your beyond exhausted and giving up is so easy and alluring- getting on an airplane and flying to fight someone, being in the hotel room by yourself the night before a fight dealing with negative self talk.
Coming out victorious when your an underdog, this shit requires grit, again fighting and training is as deep as it gets, trust me, I have more experience then you, I'm not a guy who casually trained in his teen years.
>casually trained in his teen years.
My routine was WR levels of obsession, lol. I wouldn't call that "causal". Whatever though. You do you. All I'm saying is I hate PEDs being used in sports. Body building is such an individual sport that only there am I okay with it. You can kill someone in a fight. Even worse if fighting a natty. Really should just be natty vs natty while everyone else faces the same disadvantages of living without PEDs.
I get it man but it's apart of the game at this point and not banned in many professional federations for grapplers.
I would not be doing it if I didn't have to, I am the first to admit that.
>The way they train is basically to get more stamina
you cant be this moronic. HOLY SHIT
>he doesn't know the main reason the training is that long is to build stamina, not just for experience/skill in fighting
you cant be this moronic. HOLY SHIT
also, dumbass. My training as a teen wasn't for hypertrophy. I didn't really have a goal back then other than to push my limits with high volume.
What's funny as shit too is how you morons didn't even lift as teenagers to begin with LMFAO
anon what are you trying to show to a bunch of anonymous posters? looks like you have some issues on your own. Try to keep calm or do some mind relaxation
i literally not see a reason to use roids unless you compete. Waste of money and a risk for health.
At the end of the day, roidtrannies are moronic.
Their brains have been poisoned by israelite propaganda so they think that they have to pump their bodies with poison and turn their bodies into grotesque parodies of the human form to be happy.
It's quite sad, really.
Because after 3 years of lifting (assuming decent training and diet) your progress is pretty much done. Likewise all the killer physiques and goal bodies you see online are enhanced.
Taking a small steroid stack of test (+ primo and anavar) won’t impact your health. All the fear mongering about steroids on nuIST is moronic, if half the stuff you guys said about steroids were true, nobody would do them
>Because after 3 years of lifting (assuming decent training and diet) your progress is pretty much done.
What's your weight/height/bf% and training regime in a week?
the opposite happened to me when i started going to gym
i was an overweight drug addict who drank and smoked, neet with really big welfare, lived better than 90% ppl worldwide by just doing nothing
>be me 2019
>be jobless due to covid
>be me late 2020
>enjoying welfare, drugs and gf
>be me November 2022
>be 30 years old
>realise i don't want this gf and this life, during an acid trip
>she hates kids and doesn't want to have any
>start going to gym, move back to country of my ancestors, join orthodox church
>be today
>have lost over 60kg went from obese 150kg to 85kg with lifting and fasting, Manager of an outsourced office for german speaking countries, can 1/2/3/4 for reps
thank you IST, God and acid
>picrel is me after shower no pump
oh forgot to mention I'm completely drug free, get all my calories purely from food, no supplements, 100% natty
the only "substance" i take is a coffee in the morning when we have meetings with the girls at the office. that's it.
great for you, acid god and fitness really can do wonders
>Why people roid?
-Lack of self-esteem mostly
-body dysmorphia
-they think it will attract more girls (hint: if you didnt have social skills before this will only turn you into a lonely douche). I blame gigachad memes.
>Likewise all the killer physiques and goal bodies you see online are enhanced.
You are correct
>Taking a small steroid stack of test (+ primo and anavar) won’t impact your health.
depends on how you define "impact" and how healthy you were to begin with. Of course it will have an effect. The question is: Is it bigger than binge drinking & smoking for example.
The real danger is the mental stuff, once you are hooked you dont want to stop. I mean look at arnold nowadays.