will you eat bugs for gains when cattle farming gets outlawed?

will you eat bugs for gains when cattle farming gets outlawed?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    who gives a shit about the law?

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no, i will eat humans

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I was going to say there will be enough malnourished zoiboys who won't be missed to feed my daily caloric intake. But then again how healthy would it be for me?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Don't eat them anon they have onions in them

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Due to toxic buildup of metals in high food chain and especially microplastics eating human would be terrible long term.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Liberals rn

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will simply eat the people that signed the law

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does this make leftoids seethe?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because they hate themselves.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      vegan here

      I have no emotional connection to animals, I'm just staying morally consistent and not violating deontic (negative) rights of sentient moral patients and moral agents (who are by default moral patients). I'm a meta-ethical moral realist (from the Companions-In-Guilt argument) and my veganism quickly followed, because of the Name-The-Trait argument (even though it presupposes a kind of a meta-ethical anti-realist moral subjectivist approach, it's still a pretty good consistency test)

      I simply avoid actions that violate the bodily autonomy of another being, as well as actions that give a command for another moral agent to do the same. by paying money for meat, I would be explicitly giving an order to another moral agent to violate the bodily autonomy of another.

      so basically, my meta-ethics: moral realism (categorical normative reasons exist). normative ethics: deontology (moral agent ought to avoid actions that violate negative-rights). and applied ethics: moral agent ought to avoid buying animal products.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I simply avoid actions that violate the bodily autonomy of another being
        I sure as fuck hope you do NOT vote in any election, ever, as doing so would inevitably be in complete contradiction to your code of ethics as there's no possible way to vote that doesn't have a direct or indirect impact on the bodily autonomy of others regardless of which "side" you vote for.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          thanks for the response, I have been wondering about voting for a while. I still do not vote, however in the case of voting it's not clear to me that passing a vote gives a direct command to violate the negative-rights of other moral agents. with buying animal products, it's clear - money is given as a trade item for an action. an explicit agreement is made between you and the meat producer: "if you give me X, I will do Y". in this sentence X is money, Y is violating negative-rights (in this case, killing a pig).

          if you're interested and not just looking for silly 30 IQ gotchas like "heh, you buy iphones", I could send you some arguments (either written in propositional logic, like the NameTheTrait argument) as well as natural language?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >however in the case of voting it's not clear to me that passing a vote gives a direct command to violate the negative-rights of other moral agents
            Oh, it's very clear, and not in a "gotcha" sort of way. I'm not sure where you're located, but for example, if you're American, your vote for any major party candidate will be an infliction of your moral code on others. For example
            >vote democrat and you inherently believe that a developing fetus that will become a baby if not aborted has no autonomous right and that your moral view should dictate that of all perpetual life to be created by your dictation of it being a "clump of cells" while others will clearly disagree and tell you their moral code implies life begins at conception
            Or
            >you can vote republican and your moral code that life beings at conception is inflicted across those who don't believe that a baby is actually a baby until it is birthed
            There simply is no way to vote for any candidate and not be inflicting your own personal will and ideas on others who clearly disagree with you. I'm afraid there's no way around it, no pretzel logic can make a vote completely impartial and without affecting the autonomy of others.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >There simply is no way to vote for any candidate and not be inflicting your own personal will and ideas on others who clearly disagree with you. I'm afraid there's no way around it, no pretzel logic can make a vote completely impartial and without affecting the autonomy of others.

              good, I will probably refrain from voting, at least in many cases. as far as abortion goes, I do not have strong opinons on it (luckily, I am male, so I will never encounter these decisions). I am 100% against abortion once the fetus has reached sentience, however I'm not sure if killing a cell structure that only has POTENTIAL for sentience would count as a rights violation, mostly because POTENTIAL is a very vague term. do cells have potential? does DNA have potential? do specific molecules have potencial?

              either way, I would err on the side of caution, and as a hypothetical, if I was a pregnant woman, I probably wouldn't abort.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                I can respect the fact that you're seeing that participating in society in most all cases beyond anything that solely affects yourself is always going to be inflicting your will on others.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                well, I attempt participate in ways that don't inflict my will on others. or at least such is my intent. just making consensual interactions, with the information that I have and with whatever choices I have at my disposal. I only make trades that don't violate rights (I don't pay for meat/sex trafficking/rape/etc.). I would also like to not pay taxes, since they obviously go to wars. but I don't have much choice there, since I am forcibly taxed.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you are the most autistic gay i have ever seen

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if you're interested and not just looking for silly 30 IQ gotchas like "heh, you buy iphones"
            But it's a valid argument. You're a massive hypocrite if you buy Apple yet are critical of their exploitative business practises. Vote with your wallet.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you are retarded
        millions of animals are killed yearly when they harvest wheatcornbasedbeanz

        are you going to stop eating that too?
        fucking mongoloid-tier take

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Every vegan blatantly ignores this fact, or try to pretend it's not comparable on any level. They don't really care about most animals, just cute cows and pigs and chickens.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          1.There is zero data on how many animals are actually killed in crop deaths. It's all speculation. 70% of all crops grown are fed to livestock also, so less crop deaths would happen if you stopped eating meat.

          2. Animals would still be killing each other and dying on that land regardless.

          3. We would treat humans the same way. If a person was trespassing on your property and stealing your food, you would have the right to shoot them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >its all speculation
            >the GMO crops causing unprecedented damage on a global scale
            >its all speculation

            you double-down like a libtard
            you cannot be reasoned with
            because the truth is, you are championing evil all along - like a brainwashed child

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >zero proof

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >deforestation isn't fucking proof
                ok

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            if there's no data how many people are killed in a genocide then it's all ok then and you should fully support it
            very convincing argument and ethics here
            >70% of all crops grown are fed to livestock also
            the best meats aren't fed crops, that's only for the shitty amerigoy poorfag meats, grassfed cattle is better than anything you eat
            >Animals would still be killing each other and dying on that land regardless.
            so if untouched tribes of humans kill each other in tribewars then its okay to go in their forest with an ak47 and kill ALL of them?
            now thats what i call a moral argument lol
            >3. We would treat humans the same way. If a person was trespassing on your property and stealing your food, you would have the right to shoot them.
            no ethics or morals give you the right to fucking murder someone because he was stealing food
            thats not a self defense situation
            do you think a WALLMART security guard should be allowed to MURDER anyone who ever stole anything, on sight, instantly, no trial nothing?
            you are the dumbest motherfucker

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There is zero data
            yeah because you are a moronic city slicker. If you had ever seen a harvested field the next night, you would see all the foxes and coyotes scavenging them for mowed down mouses and hamsters and what not. Or the crows and ravens swooping in right after the harvester. That's all the proof you need. Fucking retard.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >70% of all crops grown are fed to livestock also
            Not true. It's closer to 40%, and most of what is fed to animals is crop residue.
            Looking at cattle in particular, of the crops they are fed, it is almost entirely crop residue, as non-crop residue is needed for feeding monogastrics like chickens and pigs, whereas cattle, as ruminants, can digest the roots, leaves and stems/stalks of crops like maize and wheat.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What about every other item, piece of clothing, technology in your life? Do you ensure that none of it comes from slave labour? Not being rude, just curious.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          unfortunately I am not omniscient, and if I am unaware of negative-rights violations which take place and I happen to buy those items, then there wasn't responsibility from my part (in my view, responsibility for an action requires full knowledge). regarding things like iPhones, where sub-optimal conditions are given to employees, I don't view it as a violation. they are not being forced through violence to work in factories (or threat of violence), they also have a choice to work elsewhere - farming, or simply not accepting the work offer, however sad that may sound. with the meat industry, no such offer is made, the "employee" is simply put in a cage and eventually killed.

          as for real slave labour, where humans are explicitly treated such as animals through bodily-autonomy violations? I do not support such businesses, however I am not aware of such businesses either currently, I do not buy much.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I simply avoid actions that violate the bodily autonomy of another being, as well as actions that give a command for another moral agent to do the same.

        So basically you are a weak, shrimp dicked, loser who doesn’t have the willy to do what every single one of his ancestors did.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What a convoluted way to say you are boring and get high off your own farts. Because you do. Otherwise you wouldn't have typed up that hilarious word salad.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        this is an advanced level of mental illness. complete and utter untenable word salad.
        I hope you find some friends and a girl soon so you won't go Anders Breivik on some school children.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Do you understand that, by existing, you violate all three of your axioms? Simply by consuming the limited resources on this planet, in any fashion, you are either directly - or indirectly, over the long run - creating the necessity of a conflict that violates your moral assumptions.
        Hope you didn't buy literally anything, including access to public drinking water.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          not an argument.

          >Simply by consuming the limited resources on this planet.
          you are making a statement that my way of living depletes natural resources of this planet unsustainably, you cannot prove this empirically without calculating my carbon foot print. even if your statement were true, it has nothing to do with my moral stance.

          >you are either directly - or indirectly, over the long run - creating the necessity of a conflict that violates your moral assumptions.
          this doesn't fall under my definition of moral wrong. my definition of moral wrong: "initiating an action that violates negative-rights of an individual, or giving a command to another moral agent to do such action". me consuming resources doesn't "give" a command for another moral agent to kill others through conflict. they simply decide this upon themselves without me giving them a command.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >"initiating an action that violates negative-rights of an individual, or giving a command to another moral agent to do such action"

            Eating plants violates this rule. You cannot live without killing other living beings and like my boy Aristotle put it: The lower exists to be made use of by the higher. Simple as.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >me consuming resources doesn't "give" a command for another moral agent to kill others through conflict.

            >eat plant
            >create demand for more farmlands
            >farmlands cannot be created without destroying the virgin land/forest first, killing millions of animals in the process
            are vegans really this fucking retarded? is it the lack of vitamins? mineral-deficiency? why are they like this?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Slave morality. Why sacrifice will?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I am against slavery though, if someone attempts to make you a slave you are allowed to defend your bodily autonomy against that person.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >sentient moral patients and moral agents
        Lmao what a load of shit. Reason is the only thing relevant to moral agency, not sentience.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I should've specified: moral patient is someone worthy of moral consideration (most animals, children, people with mental disabilities). moral agent is someone capable of comprehending morality (usually adult people). moral agents, unless they aggress upon you, also posess moral patienthood.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        bro, you gay

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh hey, you're the retard who completely ignored this reply

        [...]

        but still goes around acting morally superior. You tried that "name the trait" bullshit and got btfo on the second reply.
        >animal products
        Milk and eggs too cruel for you? Those cells and bacteria are too living for you?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Refused to read past the first dozen words. Really fucking funny

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >. I'm a meta-ethical moral realist (from the Companions-In-Guilt argument) and my veganism quickly followed, because of the Name-The-Trait argument (even though it presupposes a kind of a meta-ethical anti-realist moral subjectivist approach, it's still a pretty good consistency test

        Touch grass

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        are you sure you arent a part of the Film Actors Guild as well?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >thing that i say bad is bad because
    ~~*insert political party*~~
    post.captcha

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That law would cause the collapse of my country. Cattle is one of the most important food products here. I wouldn't have to eat ze bugs because I'd be too busy trying to evade warlords fighting each other for power and territory

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ordem e progresso

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >my country
      which is?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He could live in Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, maybe even like the USA. The whole western hemisphere seems to be obsessed with cattle. Especially beef

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Probably because it has a great protein to fat ratio, gives great milk, they're too big for foxes and coyotes to fuck with, very docile with humans, can eat just about anything green that grows on our massive rolling planes, nourishes fields when totaled properly, and give huge meat yields. There is literally no reason not to raise cattle if you live in middle America

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    no but i wouldn't mind trying protein powder from minced bugs

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Raw scorpion at the beach taste like molusc, black raw scorpion taste like those pills mon gave me when I was a kid. Ants taste like butter when the ass pops, bee larvae taste like eggs, crickets i dont remember

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll start to eat bankers and politicians.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, from what I've seen, the bugs have pretty good macros. Too bad the globohomo propaganda ruined them for me so I won't eat them on principle now.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Came to post this. If crickets had a good taste and good ingredients I would eat them without thinking about it.

      But I will not conform to garden gnomes and sœ boys’ wishes.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Grasshoppers taste better than beef IMO. In some parts of Mexico you can buy them Hispaniced with lemon, chili and garlic. It tastes kind of like beef jerky

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I love this combination, a very good snack

          T. Mexican

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >humane slaughter

    Does not exist.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Air gun to the head. Instant.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >natural feed
    >what is grass
    >enough living space
    >what is grasslands
    >antibiotic free
    why are you being an antivax chud?
    >humane slaughter
    Slaughters don't kill animals for fun they do it quickly.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    according to my calculations, you'd need at least 383,000 crickets(1g) to equal the usable product of 1 cow(380kg).
    bugs are retarded

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      further, it appears that roughly 50,000 crickets could occupy the volume of one cow. that sounds great but you're not going to be able to raise a swarm of crickets and a cow ball, you're going to be needing some extra space to raise crickets as compared to cattle

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You'd need the volume of 7 cows in crickets just to equal the calories of 1

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        But crickets reproduce and grow incredibly fast compared to cows, so you would get more production from crickets

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          you would still need more resources per calorie. just because the fuck faster doesn't mean they can violate the laws of thermodynamics.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You can put a green checkmark next to all of those with chicken, at least from the suppliers my grocer gets their eggs and chicken from. (i say let the chickens eat ze bugs)

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I see cows wandering around eating grass on fields, so they seem to have natural feed and enough living space.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's people. the bug patties is people.

    https://rumble.com/vsoeqw-the-most-gay-future.html

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >muh outlawing of cattle farming
    I'll be killing elites and eating their flesh if they push for this, so no, it's never gonna happen, veganfags. just cope and eat your soi like a good dumb goy and keep convincing yourselves that meat eating will be outlawed one day if that's what it takes to keep you from killing yourselves

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      > Maoist revolution all over again.
      > This time by based SS death squads that fly over your house.
      > Only because you forced them to eat ze heckinnggg bugs!

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sacrifice and eat humans

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll eat the people who outlawed the cattle before I eat the bugs

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i don't understand, why go from cattle to bugs, can't we eat smaller animals, like chicken, rabbit, duck, etc.. smaller animals have more efficient protein conversion, eating bugs just doesn't seem natural, no matter what agenda they are trying to push, i will always have my chicken and ducks, rabbits are more tricky, they often die for no fucking reason, ducks are so fucking easy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      True, the smaller the animal the better its efficiency.

      But what’s wrong with insects?

      Sure, it feels weird eating them the first few times, but once you get used to it its like eating potato chips

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll buy meat from private dealers like I do with outlawed "raw" milk.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      "raw milk" = REAL milk
      i want off this fucking ride
      i hate what our country has become

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Certified organic ground beef ticks all those boxes and is $4.50 a pound at Costco

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'll consume your momma's milk for protein

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >natural feed
    Only because the industry is in it's infancy, were you to scale it to fill the same needs as cattle I guarantee a ton of corner cutting which will include similar garbage feed to maximize profits.
    >enough space
    Not my fucking problem, they're cattle.
    >antibiotic free
    Again, for now. Once you get to mass industrial production I guarantee that different diseases will be brought to light and you'll be right back to antibiotics.
    >humane slaughter
    Already practiced outside of halal meat, unless you're definition of humane is some hippy dippy euthanasia or something.
    TL;DR
    I will NOT eat the bugs.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >enough living space
    >antibiotic free
    Lol, lmao. Neither of these are even close to true with any half decent prices.
    >natural feed
    Literal shit, but sure.

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >kill 1 sentient being to feed family for a year
    >kill 500.000 sentient beings to do the same
    Why is this presented as if its morally defensible and not insect genocide?

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >pillar of American agriculture
    >outlawed
    Lol, no.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The cows where I live tick every box.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >natural feed
    Grass fed cattle can live in places where you can't grow crops
    >enough living space
    Plenty of living space where homes are built but no one's living in them
    >antibiotic free
    Insects are just as bad for infectious diseases than cattle. Anything in a confined space would have that problem. Again, grass fed is the answer
    >humane slaughter
    How is it any different from the way we kill cows. Which are bred and have been bred for eating for thousands of years?

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I literally don't care about farm animals suffering. I am fully aware of atrocious conditions in farms and I will continue to buy meat because I like it and it tastes nice.

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there really anything humane about SLAUGHTER. Let's just accept that it's mass murderer and enjoy our tendies

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