I recently learned that some bodybuilders actually take benzos, so I'm guessing these don't really hurt your gains. I plan on occasionally taking xanax and ambien to help with my sleep. They would help me fall asleep when I can't fall back asleep, and help me fall asleep initially when I'm really stressed out. Getting more sleep should increase my gains and recovery. Benzos and ambien don't lower your sleep quality like alcohol and other drugs.
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Ok, good luck with that,
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>The two quickly developed a sexual relationship, maintained in darkness. Shi convinced Boursicot that he was a woman.
>In police custody, Shi explained to doctors how he had hidden his genitals to convince Boursicot that he was a woman. And as the French doctors sent to examine Pei Pu discovered, he could create the appearance of having female genitalia by making his testicles ascend into his body cavity and tucking his penis back.
>Upon discovering the truth of their relationship, Boursicot attempted suicide by slitting his throat but survived. The public disclosure of the long-term affair made Boursicot the subject of widespread ridicule in France.
poor guy
>poor guy
>As the relationship with Shi waxed and waned, and as they were often separated by thousands of miles, Boursicot took up an openly gay relationship with Thierry Toulet beginning in 1974.
He knew.
So he just found it amusing that the chink tried to hide his tiny yerrow rice pecker and played along with it? Kek
This is why you always assume anybody from china is a spy. It could happen to you.
>so I'm guessing these don't really hurt your gain
I dont see how could could POSSIBLY be more uninformed
Andreas Münzer was on valium, and he was one of the most shredded bodybuilders in history. He was on a ton of gear, though.
And my grandma smoked a pack a day and ate pizza and chocolate and lived to 102. Who cares. You are missing the point
>You are missing the point
I wouldn't be taking several bars a day like a moronic addict. I would only be taking it occasionally to help with sleep. Ambien works beautifully for sleep, but xanax should nuke any anxiety I have and make me feel like everything is perfect.
Okay man go take benzos Whatever
>occasionally
Good luck with that
>don't worry guys I'm just gonna abuse an extremely addictive substance a little bit no big deal I'll be fine
you're such a moron
Lmfao this board is full of drug addicts and aspiring drug addicts
So you have already made up your mind and you will wipe away any advice of people with commons sense. Good luck with your experiment.
Genuine advice. Don't do it. While they relax you and make your sleep perfect, the addictive potential is immense. Benzos are hardcore drugs, the impact on your brain chemistry is gigantic and you can even die from withdrawal after long term abuse/addiction.
You will not be able to control it when you have permanent access to that stuff.
kek
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ambien will destroy your sleep quality, unless your sleep quality is so poor because you have terrible insomnia.
Benzos im not so sure on. It sounds like you have anxiety, so benzos will probably help you. You can also look into decreasing glutamate and increasing GABA, as that would be the neurotransmitters involved here, especially if you get benefit from the benzos / ambien
>ambien will destroy your sleep quality
This is false. It literally increases the percentage of your sleep that is deep sleep, and it allows you to sleep longer without waking up. It's prescribed by doctors all the time. My sleep specialist doctor has a female patient whom he prescribes 20 mg to. That's four times the female dose. If it were truly bad for your sleep quality, then he wouldn't be giving her such a large dose, because with such a large dose, you would think the negative effects would be magnified to the point it would be better to get less sleep without the medication than more sleep with the medication. This medication is for increasing your sleep quality, not decreasing it. To add to this, there is also a special version of ambien specifically for falling back asleep. If it lowers your sleep quality, then why would you take it to fall back asleep?
sedation is not the same as sleep.
I have severe sleep apnea with a cpap machine and I monitor my sleep and sleep quality all the time. I've been prescribed benzos and ambien before. I don't take ambien because it reduces my sleep quality and it's proven in studies.
This is my sleep architecture under twice my prescribed dosage of ambien. I fell asleep quickly, but could not stay asleep. My hypnogram is also awful
and here's the information proving that the ambien did not help me achieve deeper stages of sleep
I just did a bit of research, and ambien has more pros than cons. It decreases your anxiety and stress hormones and it drastically decreases sleep onset time. When you feel less stressed out and you get more non-REM sleep, your stress hormone levels go down. Stress hormones are catabolic. Ambien increases how long you sleep overall with less interruptions. It does decrease the percentage of your sleep that is REM sleep, but since you sleep longer overall, this shouldn't be an issue, and its effects on sleep architecture overall are relatively minor. All the supposed negative effects of ambien on sleep quality come from the fact it reduces the percentage of your sleep that is REM. REM sleep isn't the most restful sleep, but it's important for your mental health and cognitive function. If you have a habit of getting between 5 to 6 hours of sleep everyday, even if you're not taking any ambien, you're not getting any REM sleep in the first place. Almost all REM sleep occurs between hours 6 and 9 of sleep. Take the damn ambien and just sleep a long time. You will have plenty of dreams (caused by REM sleep). I haven't been able to find a single study that makes the claim that ambien decreases your sleep quality.
What you say is true for acute usage.
I've taken ambien for 4 years. It does not improve sleep quality when taken chronically, which is why chronically prescribing it is contraindicated.
You will find a plethora of evidence showing that ambien will help with acute sleep problems, the problem is that you won't find many studies showing that it works chronically.
In fact, therapy will improve anxiety and sleep scores, while ambien will just improve sleep scores
d.com/sleep-disorders/news/20240103/therapy-ambien-are-equally-effective-treating-insomnia-study
i have too much rem sleep, i might look into ambien to reduce it. I've read that depressed people have too much REM sleep, and i would say im mildly depressed.
i wonder what other ways there are to reduce rem sleep, freferably naturally, i hate dreaming, feels like I use up too much energy dreaming and dont feel rested when I wake up.
>I've read that depressed people have too much REM sleep
If this is true, this doesn't mean that REM sleep causes depression. It's good for your mental health and cognitive health overall to get more REM sleep. Don't take ambien unless you have issues falling asleep or falling back asleep. You gain tolerance to it relatively quickly. (Not an issue if you have access to tons of it that you bought off a darknet market, though.) Also look into getting close friends and family members to get prescriptions even if they don't have insomnia to give to you, but this could be a bit difficult. Most doctors won't prescribe ambien until they've tried a lot of other stuff.
nah, theres studies where they reduce depressed peoples REM sleep and the depression reduced.
One of the mechanisms that scientists think that SSRIs work to reduce depression is that it reduces REM sleep.
Basically, if you dream a lot you get less deep restorative sleep, and also the content of the dreams are usually mentally traumatic in depressed people which keeps the depression going. And dreaming intensely all night you wake up tired, in bad mood if it was a bad dream with brain fog which just makes you feel depressed.
>and also the content of the dreams are usually mentally traumatic in depressed people which keeps the depression going.
Strange. I have some depression, and dreams usually make me feel super comfy.
its the too much dreaming, uses up lots of energy when you are supposed to be resting and recovering
Then just try sleeping longer. I don't think you'll have much success getting an ambien prescription for depression. You'll either have to lie about insomnia and hope a doctor gives you an ambien prescription or get some off a darknet market. I started this thread because I plan on getting xanax and ambien off a darknet market myself. I plan on doing some research on Tails today. I have already done some on Qubes OS. You need to learn about good opsec online and how to deal with cryptocurrency as well.
hmm I highly recommend buying off the streets so to speak, find a dealer on telegram channels. I suppose if you order from the same country there might not be a problem tho but you don't want border officers busting down your door
reducing REM sleep will decrease GABA and increase glutamate concentrations in the brain, resulting in anxiety.
REM sleep should be maybe 20% of your sleep. Too much could be indicative of depression or, if taking any substance or medicine that adjusts your sleep, REM Rebound. Usually drinking alcohol or smoking weed on an ongoing basis will lead to suppressed REM sleep. When you stop the substances you'll end up with a lot more REM sleep for a few weeks to months.
On the flip side, if you get too much REM sleep without any substances, a small amount before bed may help to decrease it.
>I just did a bit of research
If you ever follow this up with claims that have any amount of confidence, you need to immediately have a nice day. I’m so tired of morons thinking you can suddenly be an expert on a subtopic of a medical field because you spent 10 minutes reading abstracts on google
>a doctor would never do anything nonsensical or moronic
>he certainly wouldn't prescribe unnecessary drugs
You have to be 18 to post here
sleep drs are slimy homosexuals but I don't think they're really into prescribing unnecessary drugs. all they really care about is getting you into their clinic to do a sleep study. they actually want you on no drugs for the study so they can prescribe you a cpap easier. and then you are forced to do another sleep study once or twice a year, forever, so the insurance will keep paying for your cpaps and cpap accessories.
it was an 80's/early 90's thing. it was claimed that benzos increase gh secretion. back then pro-bodybuilders also injected Nubain preworkout to help deal with their "excruciating pains" and then eventually became full blown opiate addicts.
supplemental GABA can increase growth hormone. Positive allosteric modulators of GABA, like benzos, should be able to increase GH.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18091016/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6522239/
>supplemental GABA can increase growth hormone. Positive allosteric modulators of GABA, like benzos, should be able to increase GH.
Ambien is known for increasing your deep sleep, which is the most restful sleep where your body releases tons of growth hormone.
Nubain wasn't a pre-workout it was a legal painkiller that supposedly didn't actually get you high. They say kratom doesn't get you high either but it actually does and now a lot of fitness guys do that. The fitness industry has always just been full of addicts looking for whatever they can do that won't kill gains. Same with phenibut.
Misunderstood,you just meant before lifting I get it now.
I've been looking for leads for good sources online for nubain for years, it's still completely legal and unscheduled in the US but all I can find is weird first page of Google sources that are probably scams or way overpriced.
>it was an 80's/early 90's thing. it was claimed that benzos increase gh secretion
i thought it was GHB that bodybuilders took back then to boost gh, it used to be a legal supplement then
benzos are self-defeating, they’ve only been ~~*approved*~~ for short term acute use but they also have horrible withdrawals, it’s like they were invented just to get people addicted
>short-term use
Damn, I need a drug I can do every day constantly with zero consequences. Anyone have good recommendations?
phenibut tbh. just keep the dose therapeutic (250-500mg) and take a couple weeks off every 3-4 months. Anons will howl at you about this but I have decent experience with this. For me, it is absolutely worth it for being able to function without gnawing anxiety. It also give me a ton of drive. Basically I figure I am making a tradeoff taking this for some accelerated personal growth so I can get to a more stable/established position in life and chill out a little bit. But for now the 'but keeps me charging hard.
You can have similar withdrawals to benzos from phenibut. I'm gonna get shit on but the answer is weed. I don't smoke because of my career and take only kratom and occasionally wine but those are as bad as anything else so i dont high horse. I don't ever withdraw from kratom but it would be harmful to call it safe like all of the activist larpers did when it's legality was being threatened. I had friends who can't quit kratom or they get sick, I stopped being friends with them because it ruined their test levels and made them act like women, I'm on trt tho so I don't have to worry about that.
I used to take benzos and would recommend you stay away from them. That being said id knock out someone's grandma for a handful of Xanax.
Coming off of it will increase anxiety tenfold, you will have actually physical withdrawals on par with alcohol. People do crazy shit when on too much.
xanax is gay, it’s not even fun, nothing but downsides, if you handed by xanax i’d flush it down the toilet and tell you to miss me with shitty highschooler drugs
Most of my customers were in their 30s. It's for people who need to relax
It's for losers, no different from weed’s “relaxation”
Yeah same with all substances including coffee and especially alcohol. Only losers do drugs and have addictions.
if you’re taking a substance for anxiety that will just make your anxiety worse in the long term then yes you are a dumb Black person
Yeah it's pretty funny. People will actually do normalgays shit like drink alcohol to relax like it's not Ganna bite you in the ass if you do it regularly
there’s nothing normal about israelite zombie pills
Imagine being so addicted to literal poison you defend it. The world would be a better place without benzos or alcohol
most great white men throughout history were drunks. without alcohol they might've been little nobodies like you. i don't even drink either. i just think you sound like a little judgmental karen.
>Judgemental Karen
NOOOO U CANT TAKE BENZOS ONLY THE DRUGS I TAKE
karen can't read
I was heavily addicted to these for a couple years
they dont actually give you good quality sleep for what your brain needs, never take benzos moron
they take benzos to lower blood pressure, some of them to get a grip on themselves after their psyche breaks from roiding too much.
also, main advantage of xanax is that it doesn't make you as sleepy as other benzos. valium would be better pick. And they totally do wreck quality of sleep(they did mine).
word of caution though, "I needed something to help me sleep" is how countless addicts started.
that’s why it’s such israelite nonsense, it helps for a few small things like withdrawal or seizures or whatever and israelites prescribe it like it will solve complex life problems
I'm 46. Benzos literally destroyed my life, I was a pill head for 15 years. They seem fairly harmless at first but will sneak up on you. My younger brother died from a xanax overdose at age 23. You are playing with fire
Frick Xanax it just zombifies you and is easy to black out on. Plus nowadays most of the stuff you will get from dealers/darknet is pressed so it's risky with fentanyl now so omnipresent.
Etizolam is the GOAT. It's a strange chemical as I find <0.5mg will put me to sleep, but 1mg+ I feel energised and social and get loads of stuff done. Doesn't make one feel high, just calm and competent. And no it's not a delusion of sobriety.
Or just dont do harcore addictive drugs that has the potential to destroy your live, and just train? Nah you got this son
also look into injecting it to save money
just take valerian root or something dude
Xanax munchies will make you eat literal pounds of disgusting slop. You will drink entire bottles of condiments if you black out
frick all those drugs.
What you really want to do is get on the darknet and order clonazolam. Clonazolam, not clonazepam.
then you can ascend to the highest level of barred there is