>be James, 42, office worker from Bongistan
>last time I saw the sun was in the Triassic period
>visit the Mediterranean in July when the sun is at it's zenith
>spend hours on the beach
>eat nutritiously void slop
>drink alcohol to further dehydrate my body and hinder any protein synthesis
>party and make sure to get less that 3 hours of sleep to further nuke my body's repair functions
>repeat for a week
>repeat every summer
>wtf guys how did I get skin cancer?
Treat your skin like you treat your muscles. Progressively overload your sun exposure, drink plenty of water, eat plenty of protein and sleep well so your body can repair.
Really? Because I do that, eat well, and I still get precancers cut off of me. Fricking moron.
T. Barely a boomer ginger surfer
>ginger
Wow... Uhm... Sorry bro
nah I eat healthy as shit and still got sundamaged last year
>goal posting
You're completely right and it blows my fricking mind that this is some kind of clandestine knowledge now and that most people think it's schizo nonsense.
>I get just as much sun exposure as I can handle without burning and then I put on sunscreen
>I precancers cut off of me
One or the other.
you are overestimating your ginger genes capabilities
Have you tried not being ginger?
Loaded question. I actually like being a ginger for the most part. Sexo redhead ex would joke it was our genetic duty to breed.
Being allergic to the sun doesn't sound like a worthwhile trade-off for anything tbh. But yeah, you should've bred with your ginger ex.
>precancers
what are these? moles? cuz i have a lot of them that seem to be increasing
I read something, can't remember if it was a research paper or some schizophrenic racist (both have equal value) that said mole formation could be related to vitamin k deficiency.
>some schizophrenic racist (both have equal value)
Out of everything said here, the seed oil and sunburn hypothesis intrigues me the most
wear a hat embrace your inner kook
What OP doesn't mention is that sneed oils make your skin turn into shit that fails to protect against sun, while animal fats do the opposite.
Wouldn't sit under beaming tropical sun, but it makes a HUGE difference.
>be me
>work in norway for some time
>most older women there have pretty good skin for their age
>go to italy (sicily)
>every other woman past 40 looks like a fricking ghoul and has as many wrinkles as a grandma in northern europe
Yes, sun is going to damage your skin. There is no "progressive overload" or combating it with nutrition. Just look at the skin quality of old school farmers or hillbillies in Southern Europe or the US. These guys have spent most of their days under the sun, they didn't care about applying sunscreen, and in most cases their skin looks like wrinkled paper if they're past their 30s. Not to mention the skin cancer rates.
You're obviously a tourist who has never went outside a hotel and doesn't know how the rural folk in very sunny areas looks like.
>Not to mention the skin cancer rates.
>norway bros it's so over
The n*rdcuck getting BTFO once again by the MED BVLL
Nords are taller on average than us and have greater tolerances for vitamin d deficiency. No need to pit us against eachother.
I haven't consumed seed oils in 3 years and haven't had a sunburn in 3 years despite being in the sun longer. Curious
Judging by the MonteBlack folks and Turks, what really causes skin cancer is working. You work you die simple as
I know of no culture, ancient or modern, more noble or admirable than MonteBlack folks
>rest during the day, so at night you can sleep
Amen to that.
3 and 9 make me laugh every time i see this image
>that Poland
Is it lack of testing or what?
no, white Black folk of Europe
Shiet
Higher cancer rates in a country probably means that country has better doctors or a better health care system. Scandinavians can go to the doctor for free, so their cancer obviously gets discovered more often. Fairly certain Polish people can't do that.
>Scandinavians can go to the doctor for free, so their cancer obviously gets discovered more often. Fairly certain Polish people can't do that.
Northern Slavs have genes that make them resistant to skin cancer (forget which one). Central Europeans also have a gene that makes them resistant to Bubonic plague, smallpox, and HIV (CCR5-Delta32).
Poles are basically Argonians from Skyrim. They only die from skooma addiction.
Its kurwa
This is obvious....
Countries with barely any sun also have a population of pasty wh*tes who love sunbathe when the weather is finally good or on holiday.
Their pasty whi*e skin gets overwhelmed.
People in sunny countries have darker skin and know how to avoid the sunlight with siestas and not dressing like a prostitute.
>wienerroaches dont get affected by the sun
Huh who would've thought
It’s entirely possible that this is because the whiter people are more susceptible to sun damage and it is in fact the sun that’s causing cancer.
I’m willing to bet that the reason for this is that Germanics are moronic when it comes to the sun while Meds aren’t. Meds intuitively know that when the sun is high in the sky, that’s the time to be hanging out in the shade, taking a siesta. They’re up and active when the sun is low, in the morning and later afternoon. The same patterns hold in the Autumn and Winter vs the Summer. Germanics on the other hand are moronic because they wait until the sun is highest and harshest and then make sure they get direct sun, they’re hanging around pool water reflecting the sun, they’re laying out beaches, they’re just obviously burning. Even in the winter they’re getting sun reflected on the snow.
Likely a multitude of factors. Modern obsession with having a tan in winter there and using tanning beds, though last I heard tanning beds have been decreasing in usage among younger generations there. Some of the most health-conscious people Ive met are from that part of the world but there is a vanity streak.
Australia has really high skin cancer rates but they're also leading the way against tanning bed use legislatively at least. It doesn't make sense to me why there are tanning beds even there lol just go outside into the all-consuming desert homie lmao
In Australia, I avoid the summer midday sun. During peak summer, I tend to avoid the sun entirely. It is way too high in the sky for my white skin. Autumn and Spring are when I sunbathe the most in the morning or the afternoon. Only in winter, if it is sunny, I will sunbathe during midday.
Meanwhile in Austrakia where we have stronger sun than anywhere in Europe,
The incidence rates of skin cancer are 2 in 3.
So out of 100,000 people, it's 66,666.66.
Looks like a genetics issue. Do you really think Lithuania gets more sun than Italy? That Poland has drastically different sun-habits than Germany? Slavs seem damn-near immune to the sun, whereas other Europeans are very vulnerable.
>muh genetics
The last refuge of a man without any argument. Just admit that the sun doesn't cause skin cancer.
Interesting trend when you compare countries next to each other that have muslim vs christian majorities
The only majority muslim countries on this map are Turkey, Albania, Kosovo and Bosnia
Pastycels getting btfo'd by the Sun once again.
They deserve it for vacating to hot climates and laying comatose on the beach for hours at a time.
Why is Norway so high?
Year-round tanning bed use is extremely popular in the norf. Only recently was it banned for people younger than 18.
Do tanning beds lead to cancer? I never used them, they are gross people jerk off and coom inside them.
Medbros won
People working indoors have a higher skin cancer rates than those who work outside. On top of that, outside workers havs higher survival rates ifvthey do get cancer.
>People working indoors have a higher skin cancer rates than those who work outside
Construction workers in Australia have skin cancer rates of 80%
Multiple times higher than office workers
Do you clowns even check actual statistics for this nonsense or is it just what "seems right" to your mishmash bro science?
Yes, we do check the stats.
Australia totaly has nothing to do with them being exposed to chemicals that cause cancer and using sunscreen that contains carcinogens...
Once again. People who work outside are less likely to get skin cancer (actually most types of cancer) than those who work indoors (many construction works if not most, are done indoors...), and when they do get smin cancer, they are less likely to die from it.
>Australia totaly has nothing to do with them being exposed to chemicals that cause cancer and using sunscreen that contains carcinogens...
Something like 4% of construction workers reguarly use sunscreen.
When I worked construction, anyone who was seen putting on sunscreen would be called a poof.
Why do you speak about topics you're entirely clueless about?
Because I see statistics. 56% of them smoke. They are exposed to carcinogens on their skin. Heavy equipment operators will be sitting for hour in a direct sun having just a glass filtering healthy uvb, and letting through all the uva. Brits working 8 hours in a desert sun. And somehow because 200 australians per year get melanoma and like 30k get skin tags diagnosed as cancer and have them removed, we should stop spending 20min at noon when uvb is at the highest level, to get enough d3?
Don't you care that according to all studies on sun exposure, acoiding sunlight is as bad as smoking for an total mortality?
You example is completely moronic. And still according to statistics, indoor workers are more likely tp get skin cancer and when they get it more likely to die from it.
Smoking doesn't cause skin cancer.
Stopped reading right there.
First of all, smoking is indication that those peopel don't care about health. They are more likely to get any kibd of disease.
Secondly, there are studies showing that smokers have a higher risk of skin cancer
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2924442/
Which is a conclusion you don't need a fricking study for. Having carcinogens from tobacco smoke on your skin isn't healthy. Having a bad health increases your chances to die from cancer
"Melanoma patients with a history of smoking are on average 40 per cent less likely to survive skin cancer. Damage to cells within the immune system from smoking is believed to be the underlying reason." While in most cases the immune system of a healthy person will kill cancer cells without any treatment.
>You're obviously a tourist who has never went outside a hotel and doesn't know how the rural folk in very sunny areas looks like.
This and Based.
I'm OP and I literally live in the rural Mediterranean
said rural folk feed their animals snoy and don't give a frick about the quality of the food they themselves eat
This isn't the case where I grew up but ranching and owning huge swaths of land for cattle are very common.
One theory is the it's seed oils who fricks you up. I dropped sunscreen and seedoils last summer, and I only used coconut oil and worked outside all summer. No sunburn. Maybe it was just slow exposure idk.
If you consume large amounts of cholesterol and raw animal fat, the sun does not cause health problems.
Your skin needs cholesterol to synthesize vitamin D, and saturated fat to maintain and repair itself.
The problem is not the sun, but the plant-based diet that 90% of the population follows.
That's why vegetarians and vegans are so unnaturally pale and sickly-looking, and burn easily.
If you use an organ, but do not give it the nutrients it needs, it deteriorates. That's just common sense.
You expect your skin to produce vit. D (a literal fricking STEROID) while starving it from it what it needs?
You slather your skin with toxic chemicals claiming to "protect" you from the sun? That's why your dumb ass gets cancer.
There's nothing unhealthy about having crackled leathery skin covered in sunspots. But we don't care about what's healthy, we just wanna look younger than our age.
There's a very good hypothesis that atherosclerosis is caused by a lack of cholesterol sulfate- something that is only synthesized by your skin getting enough sunlight.
My dad is a triathlete whose doctors always told him "you have the highest vitamin d levels I've ever seen" since he trains outdoors all day every day, yet he needed a quadruple bypass. I'm more in the inflammation camp myself when it comes to causation.
>My dad is a triathlete [...] yet he needed a quadruple bypass.
Your dad has had heart issues because of all the exercise he does. Professional athletes have sky-high levels of heart disease caused by all the stress they subject their hearts to.
It's been observed many times that heart tissue of these athletes is covered in microscopic tears and scars as the pressure forces the heart to expand, until it eventually gives out.
Endurance training like marathons, triathlons and all that stuff requires sustaining very high heart rates for many hours on a row. This excessive pressure tears the heart inside out.
Happens all the damn time to cyclists too. It's so extremely common that it's ridiculous your average Joe hasn't caught up with it.
I get it that it must be hard to accept if it's your lifestyle and you feel a sense of accomplishment from it; but running, cycling and swimming around in circles for no reason for hours on end is not conducive to longevity.
You don't live a long life by stressing your body all the time.
I mostly agree, I'd just add that I think insulin sensitivity and seed oils are related. Basically, chronic inflammation causes damage to the arterial endothelium and that's the root of the problem. Major stressors like hard exercise are definitely involved. As an anecdote, I'll add that a lot of my dad's friends in the iron man community also have had heart surgery because of CVD. I think deep down they all know that what they're doing is unhealthy, but the type of people who gravitate towards this kind of punishment are the type who would be miserable if they weren't being pushed to their limits at something every day.
>There's a very good hypothesis that atherosclerosis is caused by a lack of cholesterol sulfate
I looked into this and found a very readable paper summarizing the hypothesis. Fingers crossed it's true because I get a shitload of sulfur in my diet from animal sources. I also loved the Jack Kruse-esque paragraph in the pic.
https://tbiomed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12976-015-0006-1
This "hypothesis" is laughable. Always hilarious how alternative medicine shills can only offer vague correlations and nothing concrete. Even when studies show vitamin d supplementation have no impact they just shift their nonsense hypothesis even further down the rabbit hole.
Australia has similar rates of cardiovascular disease to the UK.
>inb4 muh sunscreen
Sunscreen usage is sparse in Australia. Most people never wear it. And the people who do wear it only wear it infrequently, maybe a handful of times per year.
>If you consume large amounts of cholesterol and raw animal fat, the sun does not cause health problems.
Hi tripgay. Do you have any human evidence for that moronic claim?
what about all the people that eat meat and have fricked up sun damaged skin
I would add that if you are deficient in basic nutrients like magnesium or vitamin a, which work together with d3, your body will stop producing d3 not to deplete those.
>If you consume large amounts of cholesterol and raw animal fat, the sun does not cause health problems.
this is undeniably false and those saying these things should be hanged for pushing lies
sun damages the skin, this is an empirical fact
Don't wanna sound like a meme but I'm 32 and people say I look 22-25. By people I mean randos including little kids (who I'd assume are better at sniffing out 30-y-o boomer groomers), not my mom and her friends.
Spent most of my 20s hikkimaxxing and haven't had a proper tan since I was 16. The sun's probably not -that- bad if you're not moronic about exposure though. Wear a boonie hat+sunscreen when venturing IST and pay a m00txican to do the lawn. Now stress will definitely frick you up.
Prbbly becauae you have an insanely low testestoreno, you look like a teenager with a shitty skin. They are just being passive aggressive and say that you are infantile without sounding rude
Cover your face with a hat; get exposure but not sunburns; treat like a smart person treats weight training - be consistent, frequent, dont over do it and reap the benefits.
This should be obvious. Also, if you're a red head from Northern Ireland, dont act like youre a brunnette from Sicliy. Be judicious and appropriate.
SEEEEEEX
natalializgr on insta
She's with a tanned white boy, proving that brown girls and latinas are made for summer loving, beach going white boys
it's fricking over for pasty twinks
I warned you homies your pale sun starved skin betrays your gymcelling ways
i don't work out I come here for sexy women bait threads
why are his abs all fricked up
I lift outside
I'm ginger (daywalker) but find that OP is right. The key for me was changing my bathing habits and methods of sun exposure, also diet change ups. Posting because these tips may help all here.
Diet
>remove seed oils, even sunflower oil is not entirely harmless. Causes thinning and inflammation in the skin
>add sunflower seeds and organ meats, basically you want to get sufficient vitamin E and and a B-vitamin called paba
>supplement with paba if this is too much to ask
>if you eat fish like salmon, eat the skin as well. Don't waste it
Lifestyle
>avoid conventional tanning
Sunning can be done for health gains, like 20-30 minutes max. Otherwise it's best to simply remove the clothes you want and enjoy life, avoid tanning beds, not sneeded
>if you bathe with hot water, do it in the evening/night
There are essential oils in your skin each morning, they not only are changed by sunlight but they have androgenic factors that influence metabolism and every part of health. Stripping this off before you face the sun is fricking dumb. If you train in the early morning, simply use colder water or more of a sponge bath type of bathing, whatever it takes to not strip those oils out. They only really stink in certain races anyway, like East Asian bros have this "blank" smell it's fricking weird how they dont have much bad odor racially. Anyway bathing at night before I go out or before bed instead just makes me feel better as well.
>exfoliate
This is more going the extra mile but it's worth it. Once a week is good, just brush the shit out of your skin
>Comb hair vigorously for like 20 minutes a day
This just gets the scalp primed for the day. Doesn't matter your hair length, but it seems to have an impact on your skin as a whole. The skin of baldcels always looks more inflamed and thin, you want to reduce that in simple ways.
>use a chapstick
Similar to scalp combing
In time the skin actually thickens a bit becomes healthier in any season. And you'll enjoy life more.
>remove seed oilds
>add sunflower seeds
Are you moronic?
Eating a handful of roasted seeds rich in critical nutrients is not an equivalent to industrial pressed pufa juice. Any moron who isn't peatbrained can understand this.
Asians make up for not having BO by having pungent smelling pussies.
>pigskins really believe they can make their skin more resistant to the sun by not eating seeds
lmao
sucks to be you, n*rdcucks
Black person my back looks like a map of malaysia because of all the sun ive gotten. i just got my id photo redone after 10 years and i got a brown spot on my face where there wasnt one before. youre fricking moronic which makes perfect sense since youre an office worker but you spend actual time outside and you frick your skin up. took me till late 20s to get me to start wearing sunscreen and im glad i did.
Sauce????????
Adding to this epic bread.
Moisturizing your skin is key to keeping it healthy and avoiding sunburn/wrinkles. I use grass-fed tallow and raw butter. Obviously avoid harsh chemicals and seed oils. And don't shower with harsh soaps that strip your natural oils. Or if you do, at least don't do it every day.
how can you stand smelling like butter?
Not that anon, but how can you not?
Raw butter smells incredible.
You could also add a few drops of essential oil if you want to smell like a particular fragrance.
Coconut oil is great, too.
I'm bouta butter these buns up
You can also add a little garlic and salvia tastes very good
>Moisturizing your skin is key to keeping it healthy
Right on, I use coconut oil after showering. Inexpensive, natural, nourishing and doesn't smell.
>soaps
I use olive oil soap or Aleppo soap. Cheaper and better than 99% of shit you find on the market
I sure love brown girls. I'm a white supremacist BTW.
phew mama
look at a map of indiginous skin colors and compare it to a map of sun intensity.
people from areas with a lot of sun have darker skin to protect them. skin color is literally a tradeoff between cancer protection and vitamin D production
>anon discovers 5th grade biology
And they say lifters are just a bunch of meatheads
it's in response to the OP whose premise is that sun exposure isn't dangerous. our skin literally says otherwise
The sun is not dangerous. But the sun, on the equator, in the summer can be dangerous if your skin is not accustomed to it, evolutionarily and personally
>evolutionarily
Complete meme. Not evolution in itself but most of these people who are very pale can tan. I've seen Norwegian and Irish tourists get darker than locals in South Florida after a few months of marginal effort. It's unironically culture, the seed oils and other things mentioned itt.
bullshit.
I've seen people tan 1 week, more than I do in 3-4 months.
>locals in South Florida
You mean Native Americans whose skin adapted to the climate? Or Europeans?
South Florida is like 80% Latinx
So you're telling me Norwegians got darker in a week than the latingos of SoFlo
No.
WOAOOOOW ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? ? ? ? SUN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DARKER SKINS ? ? ? ? I CAN'T BELIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE IT
High SPF sunscreen, limit sun exposure, sunless tanner if you want that look.
Maybe be happy your white and stay pale bro.
>tattoos
ALARM ALARM BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP
sauce? Asking for a friend.
Somehow I just know this is bullshit. One day I’ll make the effort to review the study but for now, I’ll just assume.
oh no, someone who's 92 has 92 year old skin!!!
>face of a woman that got a face lift
Threadly reminder that construction workers have the highest rates of skin cancer in the world at 80%
All the memes about "continual trained exposure" are bullshit
who dat
>Treat your skin like you treat your muscles. Progressively overload your sun exposure, drink plenty of water, eat plenty of protein and sleep well so your body can repair.
Not how that works OP.
1- Some sun exposure is healthy , obviously.
We all know about vitamin D, but also metabolism and sleep cycled and all that.
2- Just as not having enough sunlight is bad for you, having too much sunlight is bad for you.
Excess is bad.
Wow, what a controversial statement.
>Progressively overload your sun exposure, drink plenty of water, eat plenty of protein and sleep well so your body can repair.
No OP. Not how that works.
You don't "Progressively strengthen your ski against cancer".
That's not how it works.
You can't simply "build immunity towards cancer".
If there was a way to build up an immunity against skin cancer or any other type of cancer, Doctors and Health orgs would be pushing everyone to do that, as Cancer is a big portion of old people dying, since we eliminated or heavily all other causes of death.
You're a moron. He's talking about cumulating a tan. Our skins adapt to sunlight. That is what a tan is. It exists to help protect us against the adverse effects of sun. If you've stayed indoors all year and suddenly go and sunbathe for 8 hourse, you will get horrifically burnt. Now if you've instead slowly acclimitized to sunlight over all of spring and summer, you can comfortably be outside for 8 hours a day. It's that easy.
A tan doesn't prevent cumulative skin damage. A tan is not a UV blocker. It isn't melanin. A tan is literally a physical symptom of cellular damage from exposure to UV and with more exposure the tan gets darker and darker indicating a greater level of cellular damage from the sun's radiation.
A tan stops severe sunburns and peeling, yes. But that's because the skin is already damaged from the sun. It doesn't stop continual damage at the cellular level.
Everyone of you people are fricking braindead.
What a load of words to say absolutely nothing at all
reddit, go back
You're a naïve fricking idiot
A healthy person makes no money for the medical industry, why would they want to cure cancer?
>We all know about vitamin D
But you don't know about red light. The most healthy robust people I see are tradies who spend most of the day outside even though they cover up. The red light penetrates inches into your body, energizing your mitochondria. You can't replace the sun with vit D supplements alone. You need red light, whether it is from heat lamps, fires, or specialized red light devices.
;^)
>no ebin gay porn tab open
What's in the Latin folder anon
Built for BBC
PUFA and sun.
even in the carnivore schizo communities people raise the alarm about this correlation.
As a blackanon, should I wear sunscreen or let nature just take its course?
girls should not have tans
Good jaw line... 90% chance is a lesbian.
it matters not
Damn I'd crash a 2x4 over the back of that white bawds head and stretch her pussy and ass and knock her up
why are tanned white girls so fricking sexy?
I want to lick a tanned girl all over
she's persian
name?
frick that can't be a coincidence, why are persian girls so fricking SMOKING?
She's BBC only sorry
buck broken cuck bros...
she Puerto Rican
Impressive, very nice.
does taking beta ceratine or those pills that make your skin orange a good bet to get that tan look ?
No. Only way to tan is to tan. Eat carrots if you want to make your skin a bit more rosy. Anything else like melanotan, tanning beds or spray tan looks uncanny and weird
I used to get really bad acne on my back and shoulders. No I wasn't roiding. 6'-1" 180lbs so no I wasn't fat. Very fit, played Rugby and Hockey competitively.
Changed everything in my life to remove it (diet, sleep, changing sheets every other day (really), clean t-shirt sleeping, etc. and never got rid of the painful cystic acne. One doc told me to take accutane but I thought the side effects looked scary.
Almost giving up, I was on a road trip for work, got really sick and went to a local urgent care clinic, blah, blah, for something unrelated. Doctore noticed my acne and asked about it. I said I tried everything, wah, wah, wah. He said have you tried tanning in tanning beds? Nothing crazy but just 5-7 minutes at Level 1 twice a week?
I never even thought about this (I lived in Edmonton, Canada which is a very northern city with limited opps for outside tanning) before and said frick it.
After committing to this for 1 month, I have never had a single breakout since. Not one.
Maybe I am a freak occurance, but whenever I hear "sun is le bad, it just it OK" bullshit I just say frick you internally. I am BARELY tanned and it changed my life regarding the acne.
I can sorta vouch for this. I have very tame bacne ever since I was a teen. It only goes away during the summertime, presumably because of the sun and the seawater
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>You have been memed into thinking that cyanide is dangerous
I want to eat this b***h's pussy.
What did he mean by that?
k
they're having a mid off
i want to put my peepee in her peepee (if you catch my drift)