>you have to bulk to gain muscle
>you cannot gain muscle on a high protein cut
Do morons really believe this? Protein matters more than calories. Increase your protein, and you'll gain muscle. Bulks are for maximizing muscle growth in exceptionally trained individuals
Anyone who is just starting to workout or hasn't hit advanced numbers can gain muscle on a high protein calorie deficit
Stop memeing skinny fat people into getting fatter. And you skinny fat morons need to stop listening to people who don't post body
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Okay mr expert you do it then. Just don't set other people up to fail your forever middling bs.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6710320/
Here you go. A researched study that says as long as you hit your macronutrient goals there is 0 benefit of extra or excess energy (calories)
>So long as minimum guidelines for macronutrients advocated for resistance training individuals are achieved, there does not appear to be any metabolic or functional benefit to the source of the energy surplus
Did you even read the study? Moron.
The only thing your quote states is that the macros of the surplus doesn´t matter.
In the sentence before your quote, they even advise practitioners to start conservatively with an energy surplus within the range of ~1,500–2,000 kJ·day.
They advised 350 calorie surplus because the data of excess calories did not show that more calories = more muscles
What they are saying is that you should only have a minimal surplus or personal preference, and that there is no real benefit to eating in excess.
Therefore, bulks are pointless and actually maingaining is the most efficient way to build muscle
Still doesn't disprove the original statement. You can build muscle on a cut, from the data provided you can extrapolate that to be factual
>a minimal surplus
>not a bulk
Please go and never come back
A surplus is not a bulk
>this is the average iq of israelitecette fanboys
grim
That's the literal definition of a bulk you fricktard
It's not. A bulk and surplus is the same as a square and rectangle
invincible ignorance fallacy
>maingaining
Not gonna buy your turkesterone Greg.
Holy shit, you moron. That study says the exact opposite of what you claim. Even the bit you quoted.
>as long as you hit your macronutrient goals there is 0 benefit of extra or excess energy
There you said it, if you eat the calories you need then any excess energy you consume doesn't matter.
>stop listening to people who don't post body
so... where is it?
If you're trying to refute the evidence then you should post body first
>this is why you need to bulk [posts body]
But you won't, because bulking makes you fat and you'll never post your fat body
>don't listen to people who don't post body
>here's me giving advice and not posting body
what did OP mean by this?
>tell bulker to post body
>"no you"
That's not how this works. If you have evidence that bulking works, then post it. I've already given you 1 scientific study, if you have 0 studies to prove your point then you should post body as evidence. But you won't, because you're fat, because you bulked
Instead of proving that bulking works, I'll prove to you that NOT bulking cannot work beyond slight changes.
Scenario: 5'10, 120 pounds, never lifted. Yes you can lift and eat protein and you'll gain muscle. But how do you ever reach 150 pounds without "bulking?" You can only get so big if you stay at 120 pounds.
>he actually made a strawman
Yikes
Post fat gut
Yes I did. Did you? Doesn't seem like it
Youre thread is over. Goodbye dyel.
Holy shit you look amazing
>Roidtroony thinks his opinion actually matters
Yawn
Imagine thinking i had to roid to get cut at 165lbs. Take a lethal dose of your antidepressants and jump in a lake.
Post body
Crickets*
I'm not going to post my natural body just to be compared to a roider. Of course he looks better. He's on drugs.
Im natty. Again dude who has to roid to hit 165 lean? Keep coping. Either youre baiting or a worthless weak peasant. Either way you should consider suicide.
>I'm natty, I only use tren which is natural
However you justify it, you're obviously lying, which is sad and kind of pathetic
Ok im a roider you caught me im on 2gram gear per week. Now that im exposed as a roider post body and we wont compare the 2 because you are natty and im on 3gram gear per week.
not seeing any signs of roids...One thing though, your 150 start is unflexed and your bulk is unflexed. do you have any unflexed at 155
Lmao even
With the turbo cope
Are you crying while you typed that?!
Im crying from laughing at you.. ahahahahahhahahahahhaha!!
>Fattys believe everything looking good is roiding
kek
>start
>bulk
>dnp
Nice progress though
You realize no one takes DNP and its a meme that developed after morebawdsmorebutts told a story about it on a podcast, right dumbass?
how are your arms tanned but not your neck? do you wear a short sleeve roll neck or something?
Riding choppers (your mom likes them)
that you on the back?
>Having that image saved
>Having that image saved and named
>Having that image saved and named "A" implying other images of this in a folder
>muscle is so easy to build that your body will do it in a catabolic state
Fricking hate DYELs making threads about how 2+2=5
Your body is smart enough to build muscle and lose bodyfat at the same time
Post body and prove bulking works. I dare you.
You are so moronic Dude
have a nice day
T. larping IST homosexual from discord stands out like a man in a dress in every thread they create. Yet here he is, again getting btfo.
>Post body and prove bulking works. I dare you.
Anon posts body.
>I'm not going to post my natural body
>he's on drugs.
Good lord. Another beating, you should feel embarrassed.
Face it, youre a fat, weak, impotent incel.
Probe otherwise or slither back into your basement.
post your deadlift 1rm please
no further (you)'s will be given
>further seething by OP goes below this line
>___________________________________
>no further (you)'s will be given
seething by OP goes below this line
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OP here forgot to say I am trans btw
>Protein matters more than calories.
let me see how you progress in a caloric deficit with all the protein you want trying to improve your lifts, I will wait
>Bulks are for maximizing muscle growth in exceptionally trained individuals
truly remarkable how you can enter this shit hole and just see a person be wrong on every single instance and every subject
almost as if he lives in an alternate reality
wow.
>Anyone who is just starting to workout or hasn't hit advanced numbers can gain muscle on a high protein calorie deficit
you wont even hit novice numbers being in a deficit starting off like this, it will work for a while because you are completely untrained, never mind intermediate or elite numbers
I will rate your post in total delusional/10
I think you lifted for two weeks before making this post in all actuality
post body
>thinks the human body can naturally build muscle without abundance of calories and fat
Say u're a moronic roidtroony without saying it thread
Shhh, they dont need to know that. Ss and gomad and gorging and then starving. Let them at it.
post body (you won't)
Let me guess... you don't believe in CICO either?
Can confirm. Lost only about 3 kg in 4 months as a natty beginner, but recomped like hell. Went from horribly skinnyfat to moderate muscle definiton and much broader shoulders. Ate 150g of protein per day the whole time.
Post body
OP is trans and doesnt post body
can't believe how many morons got gaslighted into thinking they can somehow stay at 155 lb soaking wet while simultaneously gaining muscle and strength year round lmao
As if being 155lbs is a bad thing, at 155 you'll be lean as frick, which is the entire point
why lift in the first place if you intend to stay small and weak forever?
absolutely no one who weighs that much has even a remotely impressive physique
subhuman manlets don't count
>weighs 140lbs and mogs you to oblivion
he's a manlet and so are you
>mogs you to hell and back
>an hour of pump before that
>disappears when he puts on a shirt
lmao
why don't you post your own physique you little manlet twink?
Why don't you post yours first fatty?
>It's not. A bulk and surplus is the same as a square and rectangle
>doesn't actually refute the point
Post body
What's your deadlift 1rm and years lifting?
You should be asking his deadlift max and bodyweight and years lifting. Bodyweight would play a huge role into whether or not he's made progress. A 2xbw deadlift is purely novice/intermediate. Doesn't matter if you're 150lbs doing 300 or 250lbs doing 500
Eddie Hall's 500kg deadlift was 2.5x bodyweight. Is he an intermediate lifter?
only manlets care about bw multipliers
so basically someone deadlifting a world record is novice tier if he is fat?
lmao I'm conviced 99% of this board is composed of literal morons who don't lift
I agree with OP, I’ve never bulked or cut, I trust my body to figure out what I want it to do. Don’t listen to all those fatasses who gorge themselves and never post body
>picrel
It’s me posting body with no shame, I dare you bulkgays to do the same
>with no shame
>hides face
lel ok
I’m not shamed of my body. My face is another story…
Basic thermodynamics. A system cannot accumulate mass if the energy expenditure is higher than the energy going in.
Now the confusion might be that people REALLY overestimate the amount of calories they burn and consume. Meaning you might not need that much calories to gain mass and if most of it comes from protein then you'll build muscle no matter what.
I’m going to assume you think advanced numbers are 1/2/3/4 or something lol
Actually it is carbs that make you big but keep buying powdered milk at a significantly marked up price.
post body or gtfo
Post body. Simple as.
Read pic rel. and think about it VERY carefully.
If you adopt it's principles you can permabulk without gaining fat. Do you understand the implications?
Bulkgays have yet to post body
>Bulkgays have yet to post body
Did you not see that maingaing morons got BTFOed by bulk Chad in this thread lmao?
I see
Which is a nice natural body made without bulking
And
, a self admitted roider who bulked and cut
>I see
I agree with OP, I’ve never bulked or cut, I trust my body to figure out what I want it to do. Don’t listen to all those fatasses who gorge themselves and never post body
>picrel
It’s me posting body with no shame, I dare you bulkgays to do the same Which is a nice natural body made without bulking
the moron bulked he just did it unconsciously. he said he trust his body which probably means he ate at slight surplus but just wasn't aware of it
Erm, no I didn’t bulk you idiot. Bulking is eating at an intentionally calculated surplus. Unlike you calorie counting b***hes I just eat whatever I feel like whenever I feel like. If I eat a pizza or 4 sonic double cheeseburgers it’s cuz my body asked for it. If you just listen to your stomach you’ll end up looking incredible like me
I’m the one with the Pepe face you’re replying about. Actually I should clarify I’m on TRT but just enough to stay in natural ranges, and I have done 2 cycles of Ostarine
>muscles burn calories just by existing
>starve your body
>the body will at this stage think that it's a good idea to build muscle
>implying
the body is always breaking down and recycling muscle mass, just net synthesis has to be positive is all. most protein intake doesn't even go to that, it's just an energy buffer to ensure amino acids are available 24/7 to fill that net balance.
kcal balance is not required as raw energy is taken from fat stores at any time as well.
it just gets harder when fat stores are near depleted, kcal balance is too extremely negative, breakdown from training/stress is too much, iow the muscle protein balance becomes negative.
>Stop memeing skinny fat people into getting fatter.