>YOU SHALL NOT VIOLATE THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS
Why are you stupid fricks like this? You do know that calories in/calories out isn't the only factor when it comes to weight loss, right?
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Care to elaborate?
Why do people binge eat? Surely the body wouldn't eat past every cell in it being full if it were so full of nutrition, right?
You're probably not thinking this way. Other diets have solved weight loss, but the CICO myth persists as a relic of the dark ages of nutrition.
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lmao
I mean, I'm not going to stop people from gorging on goyslop if that's what you like to do. I'm simply supplying an alternative to those who need it and realize that CICO is a self-punishing deception.
The CICO people are loosing weight and looking good. You're still a fat frick. Maybe you should worry about yourself first lmao
Whatever you say, I really don't care that you are supporting the medical industry. My family is full of medical professionals and I know they don't work if people like you don't fill their beds.
When to college, got a degree for biology
CICO is very oversimplified, but not inaccurate, you will always lose weight on it, but you will be miserable if you eat the wrong shit
> Surely the body wouldn't eat past every cell in it being full if it were so full of nutrition, right?
Sure it would, and does.
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A diet is a set of foods you routinely eat. CICO isn't a diet, it is a rule. If the calories you consume are lower than the calories you burn, you will lose weight, as the deficit has to be made up from your body's own energy stores. All diets (keto, vegan, balanced, etc.) adhere to the CICO rule. You cannot expend more energy than you consume without some of it coming from your own body.
dont eat for a week and tell me what happens, moron
>Don't eat for a week
>Have no energy to do anything, so stop exercising
>Body adapts by slowing down metabolism
>Muscles atrophy
>When the week is over, and you start eating again, body starts storing more fat as a survival mechanism
>Weight goes right back up a few weeks later
This is a good thing do why?
>Muscles atrophy
Just do any form of resistance training and you stop all these issues immediately.
>Have no energy to exercise due to not eating
>Just exercise lol.
>Have no energy to exercise
It's called fat. You don't have to hit PRs, just lift until failure as best as you can and your body will never use your muscles as a fuel source. Simple as that.
Try not being fat.
Then what are you not eating for?
You said to not eat for a week.
I think I'm getting baited at this point
No. You fatties literally don't understand what it takes to be lean. You think that being sub 10% bodyfat is difficult and unpleasant, when the reality is that it requires practically no discipline and is just a matter of conditioning yourself to that kind of lifestyle.
You get that through healthy practices - exercising frequently and eating a healthy diet. Putting the focus on calories is pure moronation; it is not conducive to anything long-term, and will make the entire process unpleasant and more difficult than it needs to be. If you lead a healthy lifestyle - which will put your hormones in check - you simply do as your body desires and the results follow.
Lots of words, but still waiting to hear how you can sustain a consistent weight without eating anything. What's the trick?
>how you can sustain a consistent weight without eating anything
Who the frick said anything about that, schizo?
>"Don't eat for a week, see what happens"
>UMMMM BUT WHAT ABOUT METABOLISM AND FAIRIES AND FRICKY WUCKIES
>"Sorry not relevant. You will still lose weight"
>continues to post irrelevant word salad
>accuses others of being schizo
God you're dumb.
You're struggling with a concept that even a border collie would understand. If your TDEE is 2000 calories, what happens when you eat 0 calories?
A) You lose weight
B) You maintain weight
C) You gain weight
Choose an answer
>I can't read, and I have an IQ below the average citizen of the Congo.
>Can't answer the most basic multiple choice possible
>Makes IQ accusations
Anon, if you know how to become lean, why are you still fat?
Ok, I'll take this bait. Let's say TDEE is 2000cals and I start with a deficit of 1000cals, I'd lose weight at around 1kg/week. This goes on for 10 weeks and then I hit a plateau where I don't lose any weight for say next 4 weeks. Now before you say that my TDEE is now 1000cals, keep in mind that while keeping all other variables to be same, TDEE only decreases by 100 calories for every 10 kg decrease in bodyweight. Hence, CICO fails and it is actually hormones (leptin, insulin, etc.) which are more important.
CICO cultists would probably say "muh water weight" or "bone density/muscle increased", which would somehow account for the stalling. Give enough gray area and tell them they're eating more than they think enough until they choose to starve themselves harder and do more exercise or fail altogether.
>then I hit a plateau where I don't lose any weight for say next 4 weeks
that simply wouldn't happen, does not happen
It's a pretty common phenomenon anon, happens when you lose around 10 % of your bodyweight.
so you lost weight. CICO works. Thermodynamics works. Cope and seethe.
Why do those who went on the biggest loser not just keep it off? Surely they wouldn't choose to get fat again after all of that struggling for no reason?
Just like they became fat in the first place, they began eating more calories after the show. Because they value short term pleasure more than being lean.
Cope.
When people say these things about you, will you make the change from CICO, or will you be another victim?
Why would I change it? It's working just fine.
Show the full timeline
The dates are bugged but the first weight in is from 2013.
As suspected, you have never cut for more than 10kg and as can be seen in your graph, your weight loss rate became exponentially slower below 70kg. That's when CICO starts to fail. When your weight went from 80kg to 70kg, your TDEE should have only decreased by 100 calories but if you had also logged your TDEE than I can guarantee that the difference in TDEE were much greater than just 100 calories.
I lost 40lb in about 3 months with only CICO, not even extra exercise
Ok, so show us how it's done buddy. Show us your graph. Or if you don't log, show us your body.
*crickets*
Ketolards eternally btfo.
Now show yours.
Does not happen. You will starve yourself to death on 1000 calories. Or at least you will look like a concentration camp survivor.
Why do people act like 1,000 calories is some hard to sustain number? It's super easy if you balance your macros.
I never said it's hard to sustain. I think it is but that wasn't my point.
My point is you will probably die by sustaining it indefinitely.
Which is why you only sustain the deficit for as long as you need to. Once you hit your goal weight you stop eating at a deficit. Why is this such a hard to understand concept?
Sure? But OP's point was that you could eat 1k cals and your body would simply adapt and you would stop losing weight after losing 10 kilos, which is ridiculous.
Someone shouldve told about this to the holodomor victims, they just shouldve ate less and wouldve stayed fine
Mind over matter homosexual ass queer
Yea that's the point homie
>body starts storing more fat as a survival mechanism
That’s uh… Not really how it works. It has more to do with the quality of the food you eat and the quantity first and foremmost. Your genetics (race, ethnicity, sex, etc) may promote that behavior but your body isn’t going to change majorly on a fast in that manner.
>body starts storing more fat as a survival mechanism
The body is already storing as much fat as possible as a survival mechanism, dipshit. What, you think we normally shit out a percentage of perfectly useable energy just because? Food scarcity was a constant factor for most of human history, the recent food security in the developed word is a drop in the bucket. We evolved for it, the body is always desperate for every single kilocalorie it can get its hands on, because those in the past who weren't died out when famine eventually hit. Which is why we deal poorly with modern food abundance, it's an anomaly.
>we deal poorly with modern food abundance
Speak for yourself, fatass.
>What, you think we normally shit out a percentage of perfectly useable energy just because?
You do actually. Nearly all of your bowel movements have some undigested food in them. There is a maximum amount of food your small intestine can absorb per hour. If you super binge ate 6k calories of peanuts (which isn't hard to do, by the way, it's like two canisters) you wouldn't actually absorb all 6k. The next day if you inspected your waste in the toilet it'd be very nutty. As a rule of thumb you really can't consume much more than your TDEE +1200 in a day. The bodily processes for making new fat cells take time.
Youre fricking stupid. Your metabolism isn't slow, you just sit on your ass all day
lose weight, fatty
>Gain weight despite eating lower than TDEE
At least my perpetual motion machine is saving me on electricity costs
why do you need to overcomplicate things? Unless you are trying to get to 5%bf without losing muscle that's all you need to know, but you are probably just looking for an excuse for not being able to lose weight
There's also water weight. But that's it.
Not only that, calories in/calories out keeps being used wrong by fad dieters who just cut out essential fats and stuff carbs into their gullets. Yummy, bodily harm!
They somehow keep equating mass in/mass out with this "caloric" measuring nonsense. The idea that you can measure the "out" is hilarious, but the meme diet persists.
>You do know that calories in/calories out isn't the only factor
Yes, moron. Why do you refuse to consider it?
>? You do know that calories in/calories out isn't the only factor when it comes to weight loss, right?
It's the simplest model with the best path to results.
What are you offering to replace it, OP?
Cut out the food that makes you binge-eat.
Except that doesn't contradict CICO.
Why would it? If it's a "law", nothing would, right? So why do you insist on punishing yourself with goyslop?
>muh goyslop
>muh incontrovertible law
Anon, are you having a stroke?
So... You've failed to argue against my point, providing a simpler answer to your meme diet, and you defend goyslop? Okay, bro. You do you. Hospitals have to keep afloat somehow.
>You've failed to argue against my point,
What point? If you proceed from strawmen, it doesn't create a coherent argument.
I never claimed CICO was an immutable law. I asked you what you're presenting in alternative. You said
>Cut out the food that makes you binge-eat.
When I pointed out that held no contradiction to CICO, you sperged.
So let's revisit, anon. What is your proposed model and why is it better than CICO?
Lmao, reread your own posts. I was responding to your posts. I am not OP, but you're clearly too invested in bullshitting to have a discussion with. I'm okay with you binging on goyslop, it doesn't matter to me. Dieting has already been solved and the "CICO" method of calorie counting is not it. Be better, think before you type, and have a good day.
Congrats anon you provided no substantive response. No wonder you backed out.
This smarmy way of reddit style writing makes me want to find out where you live and remove your eyes with a fricking spoon
Youre fighting a losing battle, buddy. He’s supremely autistic. He thinks you can’t fry fat eating oranges and nuts. He thinks you can’t get fat eating dates and heavy cream.
Inshallah we shall capture him and force feed him cashews and dates until obesity
It wouldn’t take much. A pound of cashews is 2500 and a pound of dates is 1300 calories. Split into three 10.5oz portions would be so easy to eat. Add in a pint of milk with each serving and that’s another 900 calories
You’d probably gain a minimum of 20lbs of fat in a month withoht breaking a sweat
>Cut out the food that makes you binge-eat.
What if i don't binge eat, you hamplanetary homosexual? What if I'm not a human garbage can, but simply want to bulk or cut?
You fatties keep coping about CICO but conveniently ignore that any fit person who
intentionally alters their weight throghout the year relies on CICO.
You binge eat and are unaware that you binge eat because you and your family binge eat. You will join the obese and your calorie counting will fail, just as it fails the others. Be happy, this is a fate you have chosen.
>You binge eat and are unaware that you binge eat because you and your family binge eat.
I don't live with my parents and I've never been overweight. I only count calories when I bulk.
Stop projecting, fatty.
I said your family binge eats. You were raised to binge eat. You love yummy goyslop because you're a good golem. I would say "stop projecting, fatty", but I want to thank you for keeping the many good men and women in business in the healthcare industry. You're a bed filler and that's okay.
Mate I had my first meal in a fast food chain when I was like 12yo because my parents don't believe in that shit. I was raised to cook my own meals from fresh produce. You really chose the wrong person to project your woes onto.
I don't care about where you get your sloppy nummies, bed warmer, neither does your body. You are a golem made out of goyslop and you refuse to stop. Your body and mind are slop
Keep projecting, fatty. It won't make you any less fat.
You can binge on nuts and oranges and easily get fat.
>nuts in particular are massively calorie dense and binging on them will exceed TDEE
And how does that contradict CICO?
I'd bulk this summer with a diet of 100 grams of coal and that's it. After all, 100g of coal has around 10,000 calories so, I believe I would be jacked as frick by the end of May.
Coal has no macronutrients and therefore no meaningful calorie yield to humans.
Don't be a moron
Coal is full of fiber.
CICO rules, dumbass
You will not eat 100g of coal because you are lying gay
Literal moron, that violates CICO
Coal has no metabolizable calories, therefore its a zero calorie food, eat as much as you can
>CICO is god. We all must worship CICO, as a israelite worships YWHW. PRAISE CICO.
Free will does not exist. All fatties were meant to be fat.
Free will does not exist. Those suffering were meant and made to suffer. God is good btw.
Literal tard thread
It's actually something like
>caloriesOut=caloriesIn*metabolicRate
Take DNP or anavar, now eat 2x your TDEE and see how you somehow keep losing weight. CICO is just an oversimplification and you gimp yourself too much by not understanding there's more to it.
Coconut oil is like a less extreme version of this.
How can OP be so stubbornly stupid? This is incredible
For me it's the zeroeth law
Zeroth
CICO is just a principle. There is plenty of dietary information everyone should know in addition to CICO, but none of it refutes CICO.
Eat on a caloric surplus, but let your diet be full fat carnivore.
>You will not gain weight.
Do the same with carby meals.
>You'll turn into a fat frick.
There you go, a contradiction. => CICO is moronic.
Anyone can do this experiment and it's a simple proof by contradiction.
>measure co
>be on a caloric surplus
>maintain weight
This does not happen.
People talking about the nuances of calories in/out are like people being smart asses about the sky not being blue.
Here's how CICO works, you keep a diary of what you eat, thats your CI. Did you lose weight that week? If yes, that means your CO was more then your CI, now, do you want to lose weight or gain weight? Look at your diary, the weight difference from that week, adjust like 50g of oats per day, and youre done.
Doesnt fricking matter what hormones or whatever the frick. Just eat more if you want more weight, and less if you want less weight, use a diary and/or CICO calculator (it's the same thing really) and adjust accordingly. It's a practical guide for people to control their weight, because after 30 years of overeating sugary shit their inner scale for food intake is broken, thus you can use the practical tool of CICO to readjust it and make it healthy again.
Ofcourse, going away from processed shit and doing OMAD or KETO or whatever the frick can also help, just make sure to keep progress/journal so you actually know if its getting better or not, and its just not a whimsical feeling. And if you swtich up your mealplan every day, doing OMAD on mondays to wedndest, and keto only thursdays, and veggies only saturday, and a cheatday whenever you feel like it. Then counting those calories will be nonsense, yes. It's like people switching jobs every week and wondering why they cant generate a stable income.
Except it doesn't work like that. CICO is applicable for just a short period of your weight loss/ gain journey. I began OMAD this January and I lost weight at the rate of 1kg/week till I reached 18% bodyfat. Then for next 2 weeks, my scale did not budge at all. If I was a CICO cultist redditard, I'd start cutting out portions from my single meal as well but instead I've taken a break from OMAD and began eating regular meals. And in the last week, I did not gain an ounce of weight. I'd keep this up for another week and then only would I bounce back on OMAD cause I know that currently my Leptin/ Leptin Receptors are fricked up and hence my metabolism is slowing down.
>If I was a CICO cultist redditard, I'd start cutting out portions from my single meal as well but instead I've taken a break from OMAD
sounds to me like you never did CICO, so why would you know if its works or not?
me personally, I did CICO for 7 straight months a few years back,and I gained and lost 0.5kg per week exactly as I ate, and I ate the same shit every single day for 7 months. I did like 3months bulk, 3months cut and a month on maintenace. Did that to figure out if CICO actually does sometihng. And boy was it mindblowing to lose exactly 0.5k per week just by cutting a bit of oats each day. Obviously I had a rolling avg of my daylie weight, graphs and all that. Eating the same every day helped with counting too, cause you dont have to calculate every day if every day is the same. I could even see how my weight loss made my CO lower thus i lost less than 0.5kg per week and it slowly going to 0.4kg.
>after 30 years of overeating sugary shit their inner scale for food intake is broken, thus you can use the practical tool of CICO to readjust it and make it healthy again.
Or you can just cut the carbs out and it will fix itself instead of relying on those same slops to fix the issue "in moderation"
The sky isn't blue moron. Blue was an invention after the ancient greeks (you can see Homer refer to the sea as "Wine-colored" repeatedly as they had no word). Do you think vast civilizations believed the sky was something that didn't even exist in their lexicon? Lmao
the sky is wine
yes I know, thats my point, and CICO isnt correct either
the point is, thats its just a practical tool
how the frick would anyone measure CO out anyway, as if we know every atom in our bodies
>all these morons taking the bait ITT
CICO is valid in 98% of cases, who the frick cares about that 2%?
>diet consists entirely of whole foods
>fat as frick (peak male tho)
UMMMM ANTI-CICOSISTERS???
>eat lots of delicious high protein highly nutritious soup
>every day
>fat
Ummmmmmm
B-but I thought you couldn't overfeed on healthy high quality meals....
It’s simple. N***** cattle loves simple dogma they can cling to and fight for.
Obviously cico falls apart with the co part. And obviously macros are not equally treated by the body even if calorie amount is the same and obviously blood sugar also matters and obviously “cico” doesn’t tell the desperate fatty how to manage the most important parts of any weight loss attempt: hunger (psychology) and logistics. Even science gays would know that if they had a proactive stance on their cult/faith instead of waiting for their priests to cum on them with the “newest” science. But this is how humans are; simple cattle rules over by the few
>You do know that calories in/calories out isn't the only factor when it comes to weight loss, right?
I'll take these "other factors" into consideration just as soon as I see a fatty who doesn't eat 6k+ calories a day with zero exercise.
you are not a special snowflake.
there wasnt a single fat israelite in the camp.
It is. Keyword being "Weight" loss.
For fat loss its another horse to beat