You will never pull up your way out of being a pencil neck

said the insecure roidtroony trying to bring people doing fitness down
KEK
have a nice day mentally unwell genderhomosexual

>you have to do everything exactly like me or you're wrong
insecure roidtroony so full of himself
have a nice day troonygay

>i am simply here to mock you
in order to maintain your insecure ego, roidtroony homosexual
Drug users should be executed, even prescription users. Weak frail homosexuals who cannot maintain their own body. Weak minded degens. No better than troony sex and pedo freaks.

>I will also probably roid in future
degen troony fricktard
if I met you IRL I'd shoot you before you could even flex

>You wouldn't do shit pe-
>ACK!!!

Imagine not serving your country
pathetic weak willed homosexual, no wonder you wanna take the troony way out
hope you 45%

I hope you can one day cope with your insecurity and come to see the light of christ
or 45% yourself on troonydrugs
can't save a degen

nobody gives a frick about shooting trannies
everyone is rooting for you to have a nice day
waiting for you to go off like a bomb
maybe rape a kid before you go
nobody will miss you if I shoot you troonygay

Imagine aligning yourself with the same cultural zeitgeist as the troony pedo horde
weak minded sheep

>said the troony degen pedo groomer
I'll bet you wanna ship Black folk and hispanics in to the country for equality quotas too you fricking israelite, I'd shoot you too and your parents would thank me for it

curb stomp commies
curb stomp homosexuals
curb stomp Black folk
curb stomp trannies
curb stomp spics
curb stomp degens
curb stomp drug users
curb stomp pedos
curb stomp the israelites
curb stomp everyone who is corroding this country
brainwashed vaxxie homosexuals like you could go missing and nobody would notice

so you admit you're a brainless vaxxie sheep then? Good, then prepare for execution.

your lack of denial is telling troonypedo
have a nice day groomer vaxxtard Black persongay

>zogbot is seething

Don't roid it's pointless. If you Natty max you're like 90% of what you can achieve in "trt doses". If you do more than trt you're just a moron if you're not a career bodybuilder/athlete.

why are ppl forcing this meme that vertical push is an ego lift when you cant press close to as much as you can bench???
is it because its hard and you want an excuse to do side raises instead? boring

ohp makes yoi better at ohp and gives mild delt stimulus. pointless. behind neck gives you bodybuilder shoulders but its dangerous. if you dont care about le strength training to show off or want to have gymrat body (as opposed to beachbod) then dont waste time.

ohp gives you almost the same mid and front delt stimulus. how much do you press?

cool. im lovin it. twink pride worldwide uwu :3

see

Nor do i plan to ever post myself on IST, what should i prove by posting it?
A: im a yoked mogger in which case i win or
B: im a pencil neck and therefore my advice applies all the more

you're too stupid to know when you've been proven wrong

yeah go shoot some people like a rabid Black person and rot in jail see if i give a frick, pencil neck

go do some deadlifts pencil neck

you are wrong. wide grip pullups most certainly trains the yoke.

pls go lift and learn for yourself instead of parroting other dyels lmao

you will never get trap doms with any pull up variation, you need to lift weights in ranges of 2-3x bodyweight off the floor to get any meaningful stimulus, that's the entire point of the thread, that calisthenics is a pencil neck factory

you will get some mild lower trap gains from pull ups, you will never get yoked from pull ups and as evidenced itt no one ever has

I can do 2 reps of muscle ups at 115kg and haven't trained that skill in 2 years since i left calisthenics

i have been deadlifting for 15 years and i agree that DL is better for trap gain.. but to say that wide grip pullups columbo style doesnt build traps is just wrong.

doms is not a requirement for gains. i havent had doms for over 10 years.
you can build the yoke with pullups.
both of these are true

just because its harder doesnt mean it cant be done
take a complete novice and let him do only pullups for 10 years. his traps will be bigger than 10 years ago.

>will his traps grow or not?

dl is better than pullups for traps
but shrugs are better than dl
and facepulls are better than shrugs(according to emg iirc)
and imo klokovs TRAPI is the best, completely murders my entire traps from low to upper

lol do you know how much "shurgs" olympic weightlifters do whenever they train
every c&j and every snatch pull ends with a shrug motion
i dont really think that has all that much to do with OHP

lol do you know how much "shurgs" olympic weightlifters do whenever they train
every c&j and every snatch pull ends with a shrug motion
i dont really think that has all that much to do with OHP

To but in, I have felt some trapezoid soreness before from doing handstands, so I feel like they should be involved in some way, but clearly directly training the muscle you want to grow is always going to be the best option.

>triceps
inserts at ulna
>brachialis
inserts at ulna

this muscle that inserts in the ulna is different that this other muscle that inserts in the ulna

somethingsomething IQ

AND CALVES ARE THE SAME CAUSE THEY ARE BOTH BODY MUSCLES

i cant

what point are you even trying to make?
if you want to grow your neck it doesnt matter if u do neck curls or traps since both are close to the neck??

so whats your point then?

My point is that you don't need to need DLs to get a bigger neck.

I don't care about your book fatass