>6 grams of protein in one egg

I bet you have no more than 21ffmi.

I am denying this allegation and you are confirming that you're a twink. The seethe is all yours.

How tall are you? Genuinely curious because I'm 6' 170 lbs in burger units and trying to cut (just to make space for a bulk)

>he fell for the supplement scam

>falling for the bulking/cutting meme
I eat 3000 calories, 180g of protein, 16 eggs every single day and I am 10% bodyfat. I won't be replying to whatever stammering nonsense you respond with. Cope and sneed, loser.

>bulking is a meme
Right. Hows your maingaining going?

>chosing mercury poisoning over eating eggs

there has literally never been a case of mercury toxicity from normal consumption of commercial seafood recorded in any American medical journal. the average person can safely eat tuna for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day of the week if they really wanted to. Even pregnant women could eat 164 ounces, or 54 standard three ounce cans, of canned light tuna every week without risk to their health.

many people report hair thinning regardless, you tard. broad scope studies are near useless

i'm just saying you have to eat a lot of tuna or anchovies before you will legitimately see mercury issues that dont sort themselves out. and canned tuna is nutritionally worthless in the first place since they extract the fat out of it. at least with anchovies you still get the fat.

just eat freshwater fish, or salmon. or if you are too poor for either of those, you might as well eat peanut butter.

yeah, and you could literally eat anything else for protein. canned tuna is cheap because they extract the valuable part of the animal and sell you the protein.

the fat, dumbass. tuna is considered a fatty fish. you are probably literally right now paying out the ass for a fish oil supplement, lol.

well i'm telling you the reason why you get your dirt cheap tuna protein macros out of the can is because they extract the fat and sell it as supplements.

and you should be a little bit more worried about your macros beyond protein/fat/carb. the reason they sell the fish fat at a premium is that it is worth it.

if you've never heard of people eating actual fish to improve their diet, you are moronic.

sure, but canned tuna is the HFCS of proteins. they extracted the healthy unique profile of the food to leave you with some technical calories with a weak profile.

you're basically one step away from getting on board with eating bugs for protein. whatever, enjoy your pod.

the only way you are getting a "variety" of protein from adding canned tuna to your diet is if you are a vegan.

i dont care, eat canned tuna, pretend you are getting something for nothing out of it.

sure, but that's not the cheap canned tuna product. look at the side of the can, they sell you all protein "tuna" which is a fatty fish...

Consume it with chlorella. that locks the heavy metals away.

i dont only eat tuna you fricking idiot.

peanut butter is inedible unless its full of sugar and it probably isnt a complete protein or whatever anyway

Fats are so abundant in almost everything you eat you literally never should have to actively seek any if you're eating a normal diet.

>https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/174270/nutrients
>Choline 116mg
Oh no no no cronometergays, we got too wienery!

Sure anon, an app designed to take your money is far more trustworthy and knowledgeable. No need to be mad cause you were BTFO

Forgot to mention, are you realistically going to eat 5 fricking cups of basedbean seeds? This is entirely unrealistic, you aren't going to do that crap. Meanwhile I can sit down and eat 6 eggs no problem as a SIDE DISH, not even as the main course. You just BTFO yourself moron

Forgot to mention, are you realistically going to eat 5 fricking cups of basedbean seeds? This is entirely unrealistic, you aren't going to do that crap. Meanwhile I can sit down and eat 6 eggs no problem as a SIDE DISH, not even as the main course. You just BTFO yourself moron

Also you would overdose on multiple other micronutrients if you tried this shit so it's not even viable lmao

I said the entire time half a cup of basedbeans were less choline than an egg you complete fricking moron lol. The point was that choline can be attained from other sources.

What made you think i was against eggs? It's not all or nothing like you seem to think. First you try and claim you absolutely 100% need eggs to get choline. Then you get blown out by being shown you don't. Now you're crying about the calories in a cup of legumes? As if you need to sit down and eat it in one sitting? And now you're trying to claim you need a fricking gram per day to prevent liver disease? You are so shook is embarrassing.

6 a day is a bit pricey for me at the moment whats the minimum?

> at least here.
yes anon, I'm in front of your building, your front door is unlocked. So we have the same egg prices and income.

Very funny anon, but seriously how many eggs minimum on rest day and on day of exercise?

I'd eat ALL the eggs if I could.Only thing stopping me is price.

NTA but I have no idea. I just cook up 10-12 eggs worth of scrambled eggs, and divide it over 3 meals with potatoes, raw onion and some spices. I'm currently trying to bulk but that combination might have some of the best calories/satiety I've come across, for you cutting twink bros.

>ask for minimum amount of eggs per day because I Can't have 6 eggs a day every day
>bro 12 eggs per day
stop it!

NTA but I have no idea. I just cook up 10-12 eggs worth of scrambled eggs, and divide it over 3 meals with potatoes, raw onion and some spices. I'm currently trying to bulk but that combination might have some of the best calories/satiety I've come across, for you cutting twink bros.

2 is the absolute minimum IMO but 3-4 would be a bit better. Aren't eggs really cheap though?

What made you think i was against eggs? It's not all or nothing like you seem to think. First you try and claim you absolutely 100% need eggs to get choline. Then you get blown out by being shown you don't. Now you're crying about the calories in a cup of legumes? As if you need to sit down and eat it in one sitting? And now you're trying to claim you need a fricking gram per day to prevent liver disease? You are so shook is embarrassing.

>First you try and claim you absolutely 100% need eggs to get choline. Then you get blown out by being shown you don't.
Kek are you actually trying to mental gymnastics your way out of this? I can't eat 4000 fricking calories of basedbean seeds because I would A: get fat and B: fricking die from multiple mineral overdoses.
>And now you're trying to claim you need a fricking gram per day to prevent liver disease?
No, a gram is for optimal performance since if you're active, lifting, and engaging in cognitively demanding tasks you literally need more choline to perform well on those functions, mostly due to the fact that you need more acetylcholine, which is obviously made from choline. The RDI (600mg for adult men) is what you need to prevent your liver from exploding.

Let me give you a real world example you fricking troglodyte. I am eating somewhere around 2400-2600 calories at the moment (cutting), and 600 of those are from eggs. I get around 1.3g of choline per day, 1.1g being from the eggs. If I slash eggs from my diet suddenly I am now only getting 200mg-ish of choline per day, which puts me into choline deficiency, which is obviously terrible. I only have 600 spare calories to work with now. How the frick am I supposed to get back up to 1g+ of choline per day without eating eggs AND without going over my caloric limit? It's not fricking feasible. Even getting to the RDI is impossible: if I filled up those calories purely with basedbean seeds, I would only get up to 500mg of choline per day, which is below 600mg, so I'm still fricking choline deficient.

Point is, yes you TECHNICALLY can get enough choline from other options, but in practice, it's simply not feasible because you would have to make your entire diet revolve around getting choline from these foods, and because you have to eat so much of them you would die from overdosing on certain nutrients

>Why don't you post your flabby, pathetic body
I already did moron

https://i.imgur.com/blkwg3M.jpg

I don't think fatties have abs, anon. Come on, if your cutting metholodgies work so well then show us yours!
[...]
>85kg
>cutting on 1800 calories
Literally what the frick, I'm shorter than you and I weigh much less than you do and I can cut on 2300-2500 with very little cardio if any at all. If I stay on top of my cardio and my NEAT I can cut on like 2800 calories just fine. You have no business keeping your calories that low lmao
[...]
Yeah I'm a manlet, and what are you going to do about it? Kek

, did you forget already?
>You just have an autistic boner for a micro nutrient that you somehow think need twice the RDI
Dude I just told you that I can't even get to the fricking RDI without eating eggs, are you an illiterate peasant?
>that no one gives a shit about.
Lol. Lmao

>>this image taken in the best lighting possible while still managing to be shit quality and cropped is totally me guys :^)
I randomly took that picture at 4 AM dude, you cannot be fricking serious. You're grasping at straws at this point, in fact I'll go out on a limb and predict that you'll accuse me of being a roidtroony after this
>Haha fatty is absolutely seething.
>calling someone with VISIBLE FRICKING OBLIQUES a fatty
Let's see your abs then tubby, how about you post 'em?

>It's not you
Okay so you went from
>lmao you spent 30 minutes getting the perfect angle and lighting for that pic!!
to
>LMAO ITS NOT EVEN YOU ITS SOME RANDOM OTHER GUY
Go ahead, reverse image search that image. You will get 0 results because I took that picture on a whim last night when I went to take a shit at 4 am.
>your fat tears
You're the fatty here, I've already posted body but you haven't. Post body right the frick now you tub of lard
>you have no idea what you're talking about
Your arguments got completely BTFO multiple times already, you're just grasping at straws at this point lol

Here's a timestamp for you then moron

alright keep making vegans sneed anon, doing God’s work

Thanks brother

jfc dude, he's a fricking troll, just ignore his ramblings, doubt he even lifts

True, I'll just see how he weasels his way out of this kek

moron, people are deficient in choline nowadays, and not just choline but other micros

You haven't done any research in your life, haven't you? If you did you would know that the choline RDI was based off of a depletion-repletion study, and when the participants were depleted of choline, they began showing signs of liver damage. Point being, if you're not hitting the RDI you're raping the shit out of your liver. Shut the frick up and actually learn something for once in your life holy shit

>Couldn't possibly have contributing factors by common every day stuff like obesity and alcohol consumption as well.
Do you even know how a study works? They isolate one variable, in this case choline, and when they increased their choline intake their liver returned to normal. Holy shit you're a fricking moron, and on top of this
>>A study on people who were deficient in a micro nutrient showed effects of people that were deficient in a micro nutrient
They depleted them on purpose which caused their liver to start deteriorating you fricking moron, then when they added the nutrient back their liver returned to normal

I’m too lazy to read, is the 6 pack guy pro eggs or not ?

I am

jfc dude, he's a fricking troll, just ignore his ramblings, doubt he even lifts

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/
>Recent analyses indicate that large portions of the population (ie, approximately 90% of Americans), including most pregnant and lactating women, are well below the AI for choline. Moreover, the food patterns recommended by the 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans are currently insufficient to meet the AI for choline in most age-sex groups.
>Unlike the traditional National Academy of Medicine approach of calculating an AI based on observed or experimentally determined approximations or estimates of intake by a group (or groups) of healthy individuals, calculation of the AI for choline was informed in part by a depletion-repletion study in adult men who, upon becoming deficient, developed signs of liver damage.

Why are you cropping your pictures like this?

Because I'm posting body, not my house you idiot. Now, it's your turn. Post body with timestamp right this instant

>conveniently ignores https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518394/ which is EVEN WORSE for your argument since it goes into all the myriad problems that choline deficiency causes besides liver damage
Oh right, because
>This work was funded by grants from the National Institutes of Health (NIH; DK55865, AG09525, and ES012997) and the US Department of Agriculture (2004−01,833). Support for this work was also provided by grants from the NIH to the University of North Carolina (UNC) Clinical Nutrition Research Unit (DK56350), the UNC General Clinical Research Center (RR00046), and the Center for Environmental Health and Susceptibility (ES10126).
Can't weasel your way out with "muh X industry funded it" cope this time tubby

>Because its not a fricking study you brain dead moron.
Yes because we can't just set everyone's choline to zero and see how many people's hearts explode you fricking dumbass
>It even fricking says that the article can't say how much other factors play into an individuals RDI
And? Nutrient that is under-researched needs more research, wow so surprising. The fact that we already know that there are many deleterous effects from having a deficiency despite the lack of research is even more astounding then. But guess what: if you're active, if you lift, and if you use your brain a lot, it's pretty easy to assume that you need MORE choline than the average person for a multitude of reasons, primarily the fact that you need to produce more acetylcholine (which is made from choline obviously).

And once again: you still haven't posted body. Once again, I will ask you to post body. Your opinion means zilch until you do so.

>no timestamp
Try again
>So you don't have your fricking study where choline reversed the liver damage?
If you knew how to read you would know that choline prevents severe liver damage, I never claimed that it reversed it
Also https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8779168/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3601486/
>All you can do is point that its a nutrient with benefits with no actual interventions that show how much its needed.
Because we don't have enough research to know all the exact details, no shit, we all know this already. But from what we do know, lack of choline is highly deleterous to your health, and getting enough choline is very beneficial for you both physically and mentally. So what's the problem? You just have to eat a few eggs, that's it. Is there anything wrong with eating eggs? And this entire argument is based around eggs anyway, and so far we've only talked about ONE nutrient within eggs, let alone the plethora of other vital nutrients you get from them as well.

>not everyone wants to get a heart attack
Is this 1970? Holy frick people still believe this bullshit LMAO

>keto out of thin fricking air AGAIN
Take your meds schizo what the frick are you going on about? My breakfast alone has over 100g of carbs dumbass, keto has nothing to do with this

You derangement about ketogenic diets is making you turn more and more demented every day. This is a thread about eggs you spastic geek.

>Holy frick your little fat fingers are so shook you can't even keep yourself consistent. Straight up lying about what you said
Proving your illiteracy once more, I knew your dumbass would fall for this trap. Let's look at what the study actually says
>calculation of the AI for choline was informed in part by a depletion-repletion study in adult men who, upon becoming deficient, developed signs of liver damage.
>signs of liver damage
They never got to the point of getting a severely damaged liver you idiot, that's why it worked. Let's see what I said earlier
>If you knew how to read you would know that choline prevents severe liver damage, I never claimed that it reversed it
Keyword: SEVERE. Easiest refutation of my life lmao
>now posting links to articles that don't even work lmao.
Works on my machine, that's your problem.
>You keep your levels low for long enough and it has a negative effect on health. It's isn't specifically unique to choline you fricking moronic fat frick.
Yes you fricking moron everyone knows this, the problem is that MOST PEOPLE ARE CHOLINE DEFICIENT. Take any random person's diet and throw it into cronometer and 90% of the time they will be choline deficient. I'm not complaining about other things like manganese, phosphorus, B1/B2, because everyone gets enough of those (randomly chose those off the top of my head, there's plenty more)
>Now post your study or shut the frick up
I already did you moron

His psyche is long gone to hell anon. He cannot stop, there is nothing left for him but people who utilized keto to cut raping him in his mind's eye over and over forever.

I believe this wholeheartedly

>you wanna tip your fedora too.
Non-sequitur argument, stop coping over your illiteracy
>I asked you for a fricking link to a study that showed what you claimed and you still haven't provided it.
Because you can't open it apparently, not my problem lmao
This one is, but apparently you can't open it rofl https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8779168/ Also here's another one, it's a population-based study though https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4230213/ And another one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8940240/
>Choline isn't the only thing people are deficient in you fat moron, plenty of people are deficient in vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron and Folate too.
The reason why I don't talk about these as much is because 1. People talk about these nutrients all the time so it isn't necessary and 2. Dumbasses who go around telling people that they will immediately keel over and die of a heart attack if they eat a single egg actively contribute to people continuing to be choline deficient.

>No shit, like i said earlier. It's well known fat people like you can have liver issues
But increased choline intake reduces the cases of liver issues at least according to that study. Also
>me
>fat
Lol. Lmao. You're one to talk
>Looks like it's more lifestyle factors than just choline being at play for liver damage
True, I concede this one
>So you're gonna suggest we should be taking questionable choline drugs to protect our livers? I mean it's fine for people who are already in hospital for their livers but miss me with that shit.
No, you should just eat eggs. While supplemental choline technically does the same thing there's no point in doing that when you can eat eggs and get the same effect while also getting tons of other benefits (as well as avoiding potential heavy metals within the supplement, which is also good)
>So where are the studies on healthy populations? I'm still waiting moron.
Still going over them, but as a side-note you claimed that the depletion-repletion study didn't exist.

>Unlike the traditional National Academy of Medicine approach of calculating an AI based on observed or experimentally determined approximations or estimates of intake by a group (or groups) of healthy individuals, calculation of the AI for choline was informed in part by a depletion-repletion study in adult men who, upon becoming deficient, developed signs of liver damage.
Which isn't in the study that you've linked. What you linked is called a case report which was funded by a meat company
>Funding for this manuscript was provided through an unrestricted educational grant from Balchem, the Egg Nutrition Center, and the Beef Checkoff, a contractor to the National Cattleman’s Beef Association

. Well here it is buddy, I found it lol https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2435503/
Also holy shit it gets even worse
>When deprived of dietary choline, 77% of men and 80% of postmenopausal women developed fatty liver or muscle damage, whereas only 44% of premenopausal women developed such signs of organ dysfunction. Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline. Folic acid supplementation did not alter the subjects’ response.
>Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline.
More reason to keep your choline at 1g a day or more

im curious to see what your full diet looks like. like what carbs of choice etc

>1st study on obese people
No shit, like i said earlier. It's well known fat people like you can have liver issues
>2nd study
>In both cohorts, subjects with a higher choline intake had higher education and income, exercised more, smoked less, and had higher intakes of protein, saturated fat, and polyunsaturated fat.
Looks like it's more lifestyle factors than just choline being at play for liver damage
>third study
So you're gonna suggest we should be taking questionable choline drugs to protect our livers? I mean it's fine for people who are already in hospital for their livers but miss me with that shit.

So where are the studies on healthy populations? I'm still waiting moron. You've made a claim that people need over a gram of choline to be healthy but none of your studies have suggested that at all.

you guys should just get married at this point

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/
>Recent analyses indicate that large portions of the population (ie, approximately 90% of Americans), including most pregnant and lactating women, are well below the AI for choline. Moreover, the food patterns recommended by the 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans are currently insufficient to meet the AI for choline in most age-sex groups.
>Unlike the traditional National Academy of Medicine approach of calculating an AI based on observed or experimentally determined approximations or estimates of intake by a group (or groups) of healthy individuals, calculation of the AI for choline was informed in part by a depletion-repletion study in adult men who, upon becoming deficient, developed signs of liver damage.
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Because I'm posting body, not my house you idiot. Now, it's your turn. Post body with timestamp right this instant

And you want to know why I keep going on about choline? It's a LOT more than just your liver
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518394/
>Considering these many diverse roles, choline deficiency can cause disorders in many bodily systems, including liver, muscle, and lymphocytes in humans and, additionally, the kidney, pancreas, and developing brain and nervous system in animals.
>Choline deficiency causes clinical illness in humans.
>One of the first clinical signs of dietary choline deficiency is the development of fatty liver (hepatosteatosis) resulting from the lack of phosphatidylcholine to package and export very-low-density lipoproteins.
>Choline deficiency is the only nutrient deficiency shown to induce the development of spontaneous carcinoma.
>Similarly, elevations in muscle enzymes (eg, serum creatine phosphokinase) can occur in humans during choline deficiency.
>However, studies in patients receiving low-choline solutions intravenously determined that endogenous synthesis was insufficient to prevent liver and muscle dysfunction characteristic of choline deficiency.
>There is also evidence that choline deficiency leads to decrements in some measures of learning and memory.
>During neurogenesis, neuronal precursor cells proliferate, migrate, and differentiate to neurons. Supplemental choline during this critical period enhances proliferation and differentiation, whereas choline deficiency decreases proliferation and differentiation. Choline deficiency also increases the rate of neuronal cell death.
>Choline deficiency has been associated with liver and muscle damage and increases in homocysteine (a risk factor for heart disease) after a methionine load. Recent reports suggest that choline metabolism may also play a role in diabetes, cancer, and cystic fibrosis.

>Do you really want to frick up your liver by being choline deficient?
its better than getting a heart disease from eggs

just ate 4 eggs (bio)