>6 grams of protein in one egg
Wow, what a waste of time. Why not just eat a greek yogurt instead?
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>6 grams of protein in one egg
Wow, what a waste of time. Why not just eat a greek yogurt instead?
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Because I will be eating six of them. I'm not even saying this figuratively, in the next like 3 minutes I'm going to be eating six eggs. You cannot stop me
I'm back, it was actually 4 eggs because my dumbass forgot that I already ate 2 of them earlier. Was good
I took two of your eggs when you weren't looking and implanted false memories of having eaten them. I stopped you.
Frick. It's over, I can already feel my gains melting
Your Gains are now mine
reported gains goblin
based. eat 7 for a lucky number. and an extra egg
Six is indeed the correct number of eggs.
The only question is whether he takes them all from the same row, or just from random places in the box
Quadrants in 24 packs and half’s in the dozens.
You can't just read my mind from thousands of kilometers away like that man, that's scary
How do you know he's thousands of kilometers away? He might be there, watching you eating eggs.
of course. I almost want backyard chickens but it seems like a big investment. Not monetary but in terms of caring for livestock
Can confirm they're not worth it. Takes work, annoying, shit everywhere, dig up your garden
I can't find the good quality eggs in 18s or 24s though. The one's in the bigger packs here always have super pale and membraneous looking yolks
>from random places in the box
You can't get me to believe people actually do this
And then I put the empty shells back in the box and put the box back into the kitchen drawer. Call the cops idgaf
i actually do this, if you put a shell in your proton shake it has a ton of calcium
Just eat deenz.
>Call the cops
No.
I take a semi random selection from alternating sides of the carton as I consume it to ensure a somewhat reasonable center balance. The idea of eating all eggs on one side or row and accidentally dumping the entire carton on the floor terrifies me
I always take the eggs from one side, that way I can hold on to the heavy side with no risk of dumping the carton. Think anon, think.
i do this as well but not out of fear. I also alternate between rows to keep balance on both axes
If it's a 12'er, I take them in a staggered pattern so weight remains equally distributed throughout the box. If it's an 18'er, then I take the center row first, then stagger the upper and lower rows like I would in the 12'er
Incredibly based. I get cases of flats of twenty, 120 jumbo eggs at a time. What do you suggest? I use 8/shaker cup. Maybe I should work my way out from the center until only the four corners are left
>120 jumbo eggs at a time
imagine the smell
Calories
441
Fat
29.82g
Carbs
2.31g
Protein
37.74g
this is terrible
dont do it anon
Tell me how any of those things are bad?
>not enough carbs
I ate like 120g for breakfast, I have more than enough
>too much protein
Dafaq?
>too much fat
I need it for hormonal production as well as the fat-soluable micronutrients
>too many calories
Just eat less of other stuff bro
If you weren't a fat loser you'd know 37 grams of protein for 400 calories is shit.
How much fricking protein do you think you need to consume in a day for this ratio to not be more than good enough, moron?
>this pure fricking seethe at fatties being mad they're shit at counting macros.
I bet you have no more than 21ffmi.
i bet you're fat and ugly.
I am denying this allegation and you are confirming that you're a twink. The seethe is all yours.
I don't think fatties have abs, anon. Come on, if your cutting metholodgies work so well then show us yours!
>85kg
>cutting on 1800 calories
Literally what the frick, I'm shorter than you and I weigh much less than you do and I can cut on 2300-2500 with very little cardio if any at all. If I stay on top of my cardio and my NEAT I can cut on like 2800 calories just fine. You have no business keeping your calories that low lmao
Yeah I'm a manlet, and what are you going to do about it? Kek
How tall are you? Genuinely curious because I'm 6' 170 lbs in burger units and trying to cut (just to make space for a bulk)
Just to drill it into your moronic dullard skull i'll give you a run down of what i actually need. So i weigh about 85 kilos, which means i need about 180 grams of protein per day. In order for me to hit my cut i eat around 1800 calories per day. So eating a quarter of my daily calories for 40ish grams of protein simply isn't worth it. I could eat a can of tuna for like 100 calories and get half the amount of protein as 6 eggs.
>he fell for the supplement scam
>NOOOO I CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT THAT MUCH PROTEIN ITS TOOO HAAAAAARD ;_;
>falling for the bulking/cutting meme
I eat 3000 calories, 180g of protein, 16 eggs every single day and I am 10% bodyfat. I won't be replying to whatever stammering nonsense you respond with. Cope and sneed, loser.
Post body, not because I don't believe you.. I just want to see...
>bulking is a meme
Right. Hows your maingaining going?
based tuna bro
i have 2 cans a day for 60 grams ez
>chosing mercury poisoning over eating eggs
mercury poisoning is overexaggerated, even more so than salmonella is
there has literally never been a case of mercury toxicity from normal consumption of commercial seafood recorded in any American medical journal. the average person can safely eat tuna for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day of the week if they really wanted to. Even pregnant women could eat 164 ounces, or 54 standard three ounce cans, of canned light tuna every week without risk to their health.
Sure, you won't be hospitalized over mercury from fish, but ANY amount of mercury entering your body is not a good thing. Many people that eat tuna or salmon often report their hair thinning and falling out, and skin getting thinner, losing complexion, etc.
many people report hair thinning regardless, you tard. broad scope studies are near useless
This is like saying we cant do studies on sitting being bad for you because many people report joint pain regardless. You're moronic.
i'm just saying you have to eat a lot of tuna or anchovies before you will legitimately see mercury issues that dont sort themselves out. and canned tuna is nutritionally worthless in the first place since they extract the fat out of it. at least with anchovies you still get the fat.
just eat freshwater fish, or salmon. or if you are too poor for either of those, you might as well eat peanut butter.
Except i'm not eating tuna for the fat. I'm eating it for its protein content.
yeah, and you could literally eat anything else for protein. canned tuna is cheap because they extract the valuable part of the animal and sell you the protein.
The valuable part of the food is the protein. What part of that aren't you getting?
the fat, dumbass. tuna is considered a fatty fish. you are probably literally right now paying out the ass for a fish oil supplement, lol.
No i do not pay for supplements because i am not a moron. You however, seem braindead. I tell you the reason i eat a food is for the protein and you're sitting here whinging about a widely abundant macro that comes in shit tons of other foods.
well i'm telling you the reason why you get your dirt cheap tuna protein macros out of the can is because they extract the fat and sell it as supplements.
and you should be a little bit more worried about your macros beyond protein/fat/carb. the reason they sell the fish fat at a premium is that it is worth it.
if you've never heard of people eating actual fish to improve their diet, you are moronic.
Anon you're the moron thinking people can't eat a variety of different foods. Use your brain so that next time someone tells you why they eat something for a specific reason you don't look like a goddam moron whining about something completely unrelated that they do not give a shit about.
sure, but canned tuna is the HFCS of proteins. they extracted the healthy unique profile of the food to leave you with some technical calories with a weak profile.
you're basically one step away from getting on board with eating bugs for protein. whatever, enjoy your pod.
Why even pretend you know what you're talking about when you lack basic reading comprehension?
the only way you are getting a "variety" of protein from adding canned tuna to your diet is if you are a vegan.
again, your reading comprehension is failing you because you don't understand the point being made at all
i dont care, eat canned tuna, pretend you are getting something for nothing out of it.
What about cod liver thats canned in supposedly its "own oil"?
You get a lot more of the oil than in capsules.
sure, but that's not the cheap canned tuna product. look at the side of the can, they sell you all protein "tuna" which is a fatty fish...
All fish has too much mercury in it for me. I don't want mercury sitting in my hair, whatsoever. Sad that the israelites ruined the water so bad these fish have so much mercury in them, fish tastes good, but I will not eat it
Consume it with chlorella. that locks the heavy metals away.
"tuna"
tuna is fatty fish. read the side of your can, even they won't try to tell you they left any fat for you. the whole point of eating tuna is eating the fat. they extracted as much of the fat as they possibly could so they can sell it in pill form to you again as a supplement.
i dont only eat tuna you fricking idiot.
might as well be eating peanut butter before canned tuna, unless you get off on pissing off your coworkers with the smell. at least peanut butter gives you some fats for your dollar.
peanut butter is inedible unless its full of sugar and it probably isnt a complete protein or whatever anyway
still healthier than canned tuna, since it still contains fats. and you aren't going to eat the tuna straight out of the can before you dump some HFCS mayo on it anyway, so be real.
Fats are so abundant in almost everything you eat you literally never should have to actively seek any if you're eating a normal diet.
>calories bad
Some of us expend energy by working, lifting weights, and having brain activity.
Dude I get damn close to 1g/lb of protein after I finish eating lunch, you don't need that much fricking protein. In fact after a certain point more protein becomes detrimental because you lose out on fats for hormonal production and carbs for anticatabolism and energy for training. You have literally no idea what you're talking about dude
Also
>fat loser
I have a full six pack and my obliques are starting to show through, and my waist is around 27". Is that fat to you?
>27" waist
You're either a manlet, or a tall skelly. GDE either way
The frick are you even on about flaming someone about the macros of ONE meal of the day when you have no clue whatever the rest of his daily intake looks like. Kys you fycking loser
>assumes everyone is a fat loser needing to cut
Also
>dont do it anon
I ate them two hours ago and I feel great
>dont do it anon
post body
Eggs are a superfood
terrible how? looks great.
that is optimal
Are you sir by any slight change a complete moron?
This OP. Eggs don't have enough of your daily carbs, stick to bread and pasta for each meal. Eggs don't even feature on the healthy eating pyramid.
Holy frick I am severely lacking on my daily government aporoved pretzel, waffle, and penne consumption. Am I going to get multiple sclerosis?
>penne consumption
Hispanic bros, nobody tell him
at least there's a potato
Black person that sounds alright what are you eating
based. I'm having my lunch which consists of 10 scrambled eggs, and a pinch of salt.
>10 eggs
>pinch of salt
Ew
what else do you need? anything else I find ruins the creamy taste of fresh eggs
not him but sometimes I add stinky cheese and sometimes a bit of sriracha to spice things up
That's good anon but why not add some bacon and/cheese? And I really hope you're frying those eggs in butter or ghee, right? And that you aren't silly enough to use non-stick frying pans that will literally give you cancer, right, anon?
Just opened this thread after eating 6 eggs.
Hello brother
is this supposed to be a lot? my 14 year old nephew eats 6 eggs for breakfast every day
That's supposed to be impressive? The third cousin of my brother in law eats 21 eggs as an afternoon snack.
I only eat five. Can I make it?
All egg enjoyers will make it
I eat 6 eggs for breakfast regularly
Someone kill me
SIX BOMBA RAASCLAART PUSSY BOMBABLOODCLART EGG?
6This SIX EGGS IS TOO MANY! YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK!
eggs are more than just proteins
i avoid carbs as much as possible
Why
it makes you gain fat because of the insulin spikes
>it makes you gain fat because of the insulin spikes
then why not just have two meals a day one lunch one dinner?
>Tasty
>Healthy fats
>Cheap despite globo inflation
>fast to eat
>Covers a lot of your nutrition
>Probally the easiest animal product to produce if you got the space.
>They will eat the bugs for you 🙂
>Cheap despite globo inflation
i remember in januari they are more expensive than chicken in here kek,
1kg chicken = 1.6 usd , 1kg egg = 2 usd
Eggs are extremely high in micronutrients, they contain everything to create a new organism after all
cholesterol is anabolic
>6g
he's eating small eggs,
lmao he can't afford to buy large eggs, laugh at him!
>6
Wait, aren't they like 10-13g?
You're getting got by the serving sizes like a moron. That's the amount per 100grams which is approximately 2 eggs.
Oh, of course... I feel like a true moron no
Only smart people can feel moronic.
Suck my dick
You could have interpreted that as a compliment if you wanted to. Happiness is a personal choice.
Maybe he is not so smart afterall.
For fricks sake, seriously? This means my menu plan for the last 3 months which I thought I was well over 100g, has been at a ~30g daily deficit.
If you really believed it then you should be covered by the placebo effect.
depends, do your chickens even lift?
Egg protein has the highest bioavailability
You can deny it all you want i can tell you're puffed out from just typing your fatass replies
Lol. You can tell when dudes get mad on here because they reply to you but they stop tagging your posts.
>He's still looking for (you)'s
Fatty isn't just angry, he outs himself as a newbie too
One of us has to be right and the other has to be wrong. I have a six pack, so..
Sure you do fatty.
Do not disrespect the egg.
Why not eat both?
Eggs have choline
I'm boiling 6 eggs.
The "expiration date" was the 14th of this month but I did the cold water test and they seem fine. I'm not going to trash 6 eggs but hopefully I don't die
>Large eggs $5/dozen
>Medium eggs half the price
This is unacceptable, I'm a big boy I want the big eggs!!!!
I used to buy 10 packs of eggs and boil them all in one batch, peel and store in the fridge, and whenever i wanted some protein i would just grab an egg and eat it, would last for 5-6 days easily, i would eat 2-4 eggs a day
From Friday to Sunday I eat 24+ eggs. I thought it was a meme that you could not eat too much eggs, they are delicious and it makes me feel great.
>Why not just eat a greek yogurt instead?
Because I am not a homosexual like you sugar obsessed Black person
Just scramble them in a nonstick skillet with a little oil. Idk why you guys think every food needs to be unpleasant for it to be healthy.
eggs have more
>vitamin a
>vitamin d
>vitamin e
I ate a dozen boiled eggs in 10 minutes the other day. i went upstairs to grab and eat an entire bag of red doritos but in a split moment i grabbed all the eggs i boiled the day before and inhaled them. I still feel guilty almost like i did actually eat the chips.
Are eggs safe and healthy to eat daily? "The science" keeps contradicting itself.
The science says the choline is racist so you should eat industrial waste instead
eggs are necessary for optimal health since it's impossible to get enough choline without them, and if you aren't getting enough choline your liver starts to get fricked up. anti-egg gays are delusional as hell
Who the frick told you that bullshit? Choline is in lots of protein based foods. You can get it from chicken breast, milk, even quinoa and brussels sprouts
Animal products have the most, you're correct, however it's very hard to get 1g of choline without consuming eggs. Even if you're on GOMAD you only get like 700mg of choline from milk, meanwhile 6 eggs give you like 1.1g. Plant based sources are irrelevant, I already went over them in a different thread and came to the conclusion that it's pretty much impossible to get 1g of choline from plant based sources unless you make broccoli, cauliflower, shiitake mushrooms, and beans 70% of your diet, which is entirely impractical lmao
same people telling you to eat a bushel of bananas daily to maintain proper potassium levels
The difference is that potassium is in fricking everything. It's in dairy, it's in fruit, it's in vegetables, it's in meat. If you eat mostly whole foods getting your 5 grams of potassium is fairly trivial to be completely honest, and if you somehow aren't getting there there's plenty of low-calorie sources of potassium you can eat to run up some extra potassium.
Meanwhile the only good sources of choline are eggs and liver, and liver hardly counts anyway since you can't eat too much of it otherwise you run into issues with excess vitamin A, copper, etc. Yes other animal products have choline, but if you look at how much they contain compared to eggs it's not even close. Just getting to the minimum amount to avoid choline deficiency (around 600mg for adult men) is difficult without eggs and flat out unpractical/impossible without animal products, and if we look at a more optimal dose (1g+), hitting it without eggs becomes absurdly difficult even if you still eat other animal products.
Eat your fricking eggs
>Plant based sources are irrelevant, I already went over them in a different thread and came to the conclusion that it's pretty much impossible to get 1g of choline from plant based sources unless you make broccoli, cauliflower, shiitake mushrooms, and beans 70% of your diet, which is entirely impractical lmao
Maybe you should double check your working out because half a cup of basedbeans is only about 40mg less choline than a large egg.
>25mg of choline
What a fricking joke, one egg contains 160mg more choline, not 40mg more. Can you even read dude?
>https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/174270/nutrients
>Choline 116mg
Oh no no no cronometergays, we got too wienery!
>.gov
Dismissed promptly lmao
Sure anon, an app designed to take your money is far more trustworthy and knowledgeable. No need to be mad cause you were BTFO
Oh wait you chose seeds, nevermind it is correct. Only problem is that IT'S FRICKING 800KCAL. ALL FOR 200MG CHOLINE. You would need to eat 4000kcal of this shit to get 1g of choline.
Meanwhile 6 eggs is like 600kcal and you get 1.1g of choline. You still lose dumbass
Forgot to mention, are you realistically going to eat 5 fricking cups of basedbean seeds? This is entirely unrealistic, you aren't going to do that crap. Meanwhile I can sit down and eat 6 eggs no problem as a SIDE DISH, not even as the main course. You just BTFO yourself moron
>Forgot to mention, are you realistically going to eat 5 fricking cups of basedbean seeds? This is entirely unrealistic, you aren't going to do that crap. Meanwhile I can sit down and eat 6 eggs no problem as a SIDE DISH, not even as the main course. You just BTFO yourself moron
Are you realistically ever going to NEED 1.1g of choline per day? Twice the RDI? Maybe you should step away from the computer because you're so shook you're completely flying off the handle
Also you would overdose on multiple other micronutrients if you tried this shit so it's not even viable lmao
become golem
I said the entire time half a cup of basedbeans were less choline than an egg you complete fricking moron lol. The point was that choline can be attained from other sources.
>The point was that choline can be attained from other sources.
I don't think you quite understand. The reason why you get so much is because half a cup of that shit is FOUR HUNDRED FRICKING CALORIES. A single egg isn't even a hundred calories. Just shut the frick up and eat your eggs, why are you so against them in the first place anyway?
600mg is the bare minimum for an adult male. If you're active, and if you lift (especially if you're a really big dude), and if you use your brain a lot, you need more choline. Most people here probably need more than the RDI, so 1g is a good goal to shoot for. Do you really want to frick up your liver by being choline deficient? I sure don't.
6+ is good IMO
What made you think i was against eggs? It's not all or nothing like you seem to think. First you try and claim you absolutely 100% need eggs to get choline. Then you get blown out by being shown you don't. Now you're crying about the calories in a cup of legumes? As if you need to sit down and eat it in one sitting? And now you're trying to claim you need a fricking gram per day to prevent liver disease? You are so shook is embarrassing.
And to further emphasize my point, this is the same thing as saying "heh, you don't need to eat fruit from vitamin C, just eat lots of liver and you'll get enough!" This is technically true, but it leaves out the fact that you would have to eat FOUR KILOS of liver to get enough vitamin C, which on its own would put you into a huge caloric surplus, but beyond this you would start dying from overdosing on tons of different nutrients. It's the same shit as the choline situation. Just eat your fricking fruits for your vitamin C, and eat your fricking eggs for choline. It's not complicated.
6 a day is a bit pricey for me at the moment whats the minimum?
How is it pricey? Still one of the cheapest sources of "meat" you can get by weight, at least here. The next in line is pork.
> at least here.
yes anon, I'm in front of your building, your front door is unlocked. So we have the same egg prices and income.
Come in, I have 12 eggs in the fridge. Used 10 earlier to make scrambled eggs, eaten 2/3 of it already but you can have the rest anon :o)
Very funny anon, but seriously how many eggs minimum on rest day and on day of exercise?
I eat 3 eggs most days. Nothing against Mr. Choline and his love of eggs, but 6-10 just seems insane to me. Not even because of a scare of cholesteral, but simply cuz earing that many eggs would get disgusting.
I'd eat ALL the eggs if I could.Only thing stopping me is price.
>ask for minimum amount of eggs per day because I Can't have 6 eggs a day every day
>bro 12 eggs per day
stop it!
how much is an egg wherever you are from? Here it's like 18 cents (converting to dollars)
NTA but I have no idea. I just cook up 10-12 eggs worth of scrambled eggs, and divide it over 3 meals with potatoes, raw onion and some spices. I'm currently trying to bulk but that combination might have some of the best calories/satiety I've come across, for you cutting twink bros.
I meant I am the anon you replied to, but not the one(s) going on about choline. I don't even know what choline is, I just enjoy eggs
2 is the absolute minimum IMO but 3-4 would be a bit better. Aren't eggs really cheap though?
>First you try and claim you absolutely 100% need eggs to get choline. Then you get blown out by being shown you don't.
Kek are you actually trying to mental gymnastics your way out of this? I can't eat 4000 fricking calories of basedbean seeds because I would A: get fat and B: fricking die from multiple mineral overdoses.
>And now you're trying to claim you need a fricking gram per day to prevent liver disease?
No, a gram is for optimal performance since if you're active, lifting, and engaging in cognitively demanding tasks you literally need more choline to perform well on those functions, mostly due to the fact that you need more acetylcholine, which is obviously made from choline. The RDI (600mg for adult men) is what you need to prevent your liver from exploding.
Let me give you a real world example you fricking troglodyte. I am eating somewhere around 2400-2600 calories at the moment (cutting), and 600 of those are from eggs. I get around 1.3g of choline per day, 1.1g being from the eggs. If I slash eggs from my diet suddenly I am now only getting 200mg-ish of choline per day, which puts me into choline deficiency, which is obviously terrible. I only have 600 spare calories to work with now. How the frick am I supposed to get back up to 1g+ of choline per day without eating eggs AND without going over my caloric limit? It's not fricking feasible. Even getting to the RDI is impossible: if I filled up those calories purely with basedbean seeds, I would only get up to 500mg of choline per day, which is below 600mg, so I'm still fricking choline deficient.
Point is, yes you TECHNICALLY can get enough choline from other options, but in practice, it's simply not feasible because you would have to make your entire diet revolve around getting choline from these foods, and because you have to eat so much of them you would die from overdosing on certain nutrients
Lol shut the frick up you moronic nerd. You just have an autistic boner for a micro nutrient that you somehow think need twice the RDI for that no one gives a shit about. Why don't you post your flabby, pathetic body
>Why don't you post your flabby, pathetic body
I already did moron
, did you forget already?
>You just have an autistic boner for a micro nutrient that you somehow think need twice the RDI
Dude I just told you that I can't even get to the fricking RDI without eating eggs, are you an illiterate peasant?
>that no one gives a shit about.
Lol. Lmao
>this image taken in the best lighting possible while still managing to be shit quality and cropped is totally me guys :^)
Haha fatty is absolutely seething. Why don't you go blog about fricking choline some more spastic
>>this image taken in the best lighting possible while still managing to be shit quality and cropped is totally me guys :^)
I randomly took that picture at 4 AM dude, you cannot be fricking serious. You're grasping at straws at this point, in fact I'll go out on a limb and predict that you'll accuse me of being a roidtroony after this
>Haha fatty is absolutely seething.
>calling someone with VISIBLE FRICKING OBLIQUES a fatty
Let's see your abs then tubby, how about you post 'em?
>I-I-I wasn't even trying when i took the photo
It's not you, moron and your fat tears won't change the fact you have no idea what you're talking about
>It's not you
Okay so you went from
>lmao you spent 30 minutes getting the perfect angle and lighting for that pic!!
to
>LMAO ITS NOT EVEN YOU ITS SOME RANDOM OTHER GUY
Go ahead, reverse image search that image. You will get 0 results because I took that picture on a whim last night when I went to take a shit at 4 am.
>your fat tears
You're the fatty here, I've already posted body but you haven't. Post body right the frick now you tub of lard
>you have no idea what you're talking about
Your arguments got completely BTFO multiple times already, you're just grasping at straws at this point lol
>You won't find my cropped image on google search
Goddam look at how much you're crying. You really moronic.
Here's a timestamp for you then moron
Thanks brother
True, I'll just see how he weasels his way out of this kek
Why are you cropping your pictures like this?
moron, people are deficient in choline nowadays, and not just choline but other micros
People are deficient in a lot of micronutrients, moron. Unless it's actually diagnosed and affecting your quality of life you're just jumping at shadows
You haven't done any research in your life, haven't you? If you did you would know that the choline RDI was based off of a depletion-repletion study, and when the participants were depleted of choline, they began showing signs of liver damage. Point being, if you're not hitting the RDI you're raping the shit out of your liver. Shut the frick up and actually learn something for once in your life holy shit
>A study on people who were deficient in a micro nutrient showed effects of people that were deficient in a micro nutrient
Wow. Really? I never would've thought and liver damage? Wow. Couldn't possibly have contributing factors by common every day stuff like obesity and alcohol consumption as well. No it's definitely just the choline deficiency. This is the boogeyman that is the real sauce of all your pain.
>Couldn't possibly have contributing factors by common every day stuff like obesity and alcohol consumption as well.
Do you even know how a study works? They isolate one variable, in this case choline, and when they increased their choline intake their liver returned to normal. Holy shit you're a fricking moron, and on top of this
>>A study on people who were deficient in a micro nutrient showed effects of people that were deficient in a micro nutrient
They depleted them on purpose which caused their liver to start deteriorating you fricking moron, then when they added the nutrient back their liver returned to normal
I am
alright keep making vegans sneed anon, doing God’s work
jfc dude, he's a fricking troll, just ignore his ramblings, doubt he even lifts
>Do you even know how a study works? They isolate one variable, in this case choline, and when they increased their choline intake their liver returned to normal. Holy shit you're a fricking moron, and on top of this
Why don't you post the fricking study so i can read it then you fricking moron.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/
>Recent analyses indicate that large portions of the population (ie, approximately 90% of Americans), including most pregnant and lactating women, are well below the AI for choline. Moreover, the food patterns recommended by the 2015–2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans are currently insufficient to meet the AI for choline in most age-sex groups.
>Unlike the traditional National Academy of Medicine approach of calculating an AI based on observed or experimentally determined approximations or estimates of intake by a group (or groups) of healthy individuals, calculation of the AI for choline was informed in part by a depletion-repletion study in adult men who, upon becoming deficient, developed signs of liver damage.
Because I'm posting body, not my house you idiot. Now, it's your turn. Post body with timestamp right this instant
>Unlike the traditional National Academy of Medicine approach of calculating an AI based on observed or experimentally determined approximations or estimates of intake by a group (or groups) of healthy individuals, calculation of the AI for choline was informed in part by a depletion-repletion study in adult men who, upon becoming deficient, developed signs of liver damage.
Which isn't in the study that you've linked. What you linked is called a case report which was funded by a meat company
>Funding for this manuscript was provided through an unrestricted educational grant from Balchem, the Egg Nutrition Center, and the Beef Checkoff, a contractor to the National Cattleman’s Beef Association
>conveniently ignores https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518394/ which is EVEN WORSE for your argument since it goes into all the myriad problems that choline deficiency causes besides liver damage
Oh right, because
>This work was funded by grants from the National Institutes of Health (NIH; DK55865, AG09525, and ES012997) and the US Department of Agriculture (2004−01,833). Support for this work was also provided by grants from the NIH to the University of North Carolina (UNC) Clinical Nutrition Research Unit (DK56350), the UNC General Clinical Research Center (RR00046), and the Center for Environmental Health and Susceptibility (ES10126).
Can't weasel your way out with "muh X industry funded it" cope this time tubby
>Ignores
Because its not a fricking study you brain dead moron. It's just another case report. There's no control group and no intervention done. It even fricking says that the article can't say how much other factors play into an individuals RDI
>However, continuing research is needed to determine how sex, genetic variation, life stage, and other environmental factors may influence an individual's requirement for this nutrient.
>Because its not a fricking study you brain dead moron.
Yes because we can't just set everyone's choline to zero and see how many people's hearts explode you fricking dumbass
>It even fricking says that the article can't say how much other factors play into an individuals RDI
And? Nutrient that is under-researched needs more research, wow so surprising. The fact that we already know that there are many deleterous effects from having a deficiency despite the lack of research is even more astounding then. But guess what: if you're active, if you lift, and if you use your brain a lot, it's pretty easy to assume that you need MORE choline than the average person for a multitude of reasons, primarily the fact that you need to produce more acetylcholine (which is made from choline obviously).
And once again: you still haven't posted body. Once again, I will ask you to post body. Your opinion means zilch until you do so.
So you don't have your fricking study where choline reversed the liver damage? You made it up. All you can do is point that its a nutrient with benefits with no actual interventions that show how much its needed. And here since you've been begging for it have a photo before i started any sort of cut.
>no timestamp
Try again
>So you don't have your fricking study where choline reversed the liver damage?
If you knew how to read you would know that choline prevents severe liver damage, I never claimed that it reversed it
Also https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8779168/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3601486/
>All you can do is point that its a nutrient with benefits with no actual interventions that show how much its needed.
Because we don't have enough research to know all the exact details, no shit, we all know this already. But from what we do know, lack of choline is highly deleterous to your health, and getting enough choline is very beneficial for you both physically and mentally. So what's the problem? You just have to eat a few eggs, that's it. Is there anything wrong with eating eggs? And this entire argument is based around eggs anyway, and so far we've only talked about ONE nutrient within eggs, let alone the plethora of other vital nutrients you get from them as well.
>Is there anything wrong with eating eggs?
not everyone wants to get a heart attack
>not everyone wants to get a heart attack
Is this 1970? Holy frick people still believe this bullshit LMAO
>keto out of thin fricking air AGAIN
Take your meds schizo what the frick are you going on about? My breakfast alone has over 100g of carbs dumbass, keto has nothing to do with this
His psyche is long gone to hell anon. He cannot stop, there is nothing left for him but people who utilized keto to cut raping him in his mind's eye over and over forever.
You derangement about ketogenic diets is making you turn more and more demented every day. This is a thread about eggs you spastic geek.
>in this case choline, and when they increased their choline intake their liver returned to normal
Holy frick your little fat fingers are so shook you can't even keep yourself consistent. Straight up lying about what you said and now posting links to articles that don't even work lmao.
>buh buh buh we don't have enough info
No fricking shit you fricking moron. That goes for ALL micronutrients. You keep your levels low for long enough and it has a negative effect on health. It's isn't specifically unique to choline you fricking moronic fat frick. Now post your study or shut the frick up
>Holy frick your little fat fingers are so shook you can't even keep yourself consistent. Straight up lying about what you said
Proving your illiteracy once more, I knew your dumbass would fall for this trap. Let's look at what the study actually says
>calculation of the AI for choline was informed in part by a depletion-repletion study in adult men who, upon becoming deficient, developed signs of liver damage.
>signs of liver damage
They never got to the point of getting a severely damaged liver you idiot, that's why it worked. Let's see what I said earlier
>If you knew how to read you would know that choline prevents severe liver damage, I never claimed that it reversed it
Keyword: SEVERE. Easiest refutation of my life lmao
>now posting links to articles that don't even work lmao.
Works on my machine, that's your problem.
>You keep your levels low for long enough and it has a negative effect on health. It's isn't specifically unique to choline you fricking moronic fat frick.
Yes you fricking moron everyone knows this, the problem is that MOST PEOPLE ARE CHOLINE DEFICIENT. Take any random person's diet and throw it into cronometer and 90% of the time they will be choline deficient. I'm not complaining about other things like manganese, phosphorus, B1/B2, because everyone gets enough of those (randomly chose those off the top of my head, there's plenty more)
>Now post your study or shut the frick up
I already did you moron
I believe this wholeheartedly
>you fell into my trap
Jesus christ you wanna tip your fedora too. You're now trying to claim your very clear cut words were trying to be vague. I asked you for a fricking link to a study that showed what you claimed and you still haven't provided it. You haven't linked a single actual study and just shown case reports. Choline isn't the only thing people are deficient in you fat moron, plenty of people are deficient in vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron and Folate too. Why don't you shit up the thread about them too you dumb frick.
>you wanna tip your fedora too.
Non-sequitur argument, stop coping over your illiteracy
>I asked you for a fricking link to a study that showed what you claimed and you still haven't provided it.
Because you can't open it apparently, not my problem lmao
This one is, but apparently you can't open it rofl https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8779168/ Also here's another one, it's a population-based study though https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4230213/ And another one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8940240/
>Choline isn't the only thing people are deficient in you fat moron, plenty of people are deficient in vitamin D, Vitamin C, Iron and Folate too.
The reason why I don't talk about these as much is because 1. People talk about these nutrients all the time so it isn't necessary and 2. Dumbasses who go around telling people that they will immediately keel over and die of a heart attack if they eat a single egg actively contribute to people continuing to be choline deficient.
>1st study on obese people
No shit, like i said earlier. It's well known fat people like you can have liver issues
>2nd study
>In both cohorts, subjects with a higher choline intake had higher education and income, exercised more, smoked less, and had higher intakes of protein, saturated fat, and polyunsaturated fat.
Looks like it's more lifestyle factors than just choline being at play for liver damage
>third study
So you're gonna suggest we should be taking questionable choline drugs to protect our livers? I mean it's fine for people who are already in hospital for their livers but miss me with that shit.
So where are the studies on healthy populations? I'm still waiting moron. You've made a claim that people need over a gram of choline to be healthy but none of your studies have suggested that at all.
>No shit, like i said earlier. It's well known fat people like you can have liver issues
But increased choline intake reduces the cases of liver issues at least according to that study. Also
>me
>fat
Lol. Lmao. You're one to talk
>Looks like it's more lifestyle factors than just choline being at play for liver damage
True, I concede this one
>So you're gonna suggest we should be taking questionable choline drugs to protect our livers? I mean it's fine for people who are already in hospital for their livers but miss me with that shit.
No, you should just eat eggs. While supplemental choline technically does the same thing there's no point in doing that when you can eat eggs and get the same effect while also getting tons of other benefits (as well as avoiding potential heavy metals within the supplement, which is also good)
>So where are the studies on healthy populations? I'm still waiting moron.
Still going over them, but as a side-note you claimed that the depletion-repletion study didn't exist.
. Well here it is buddy, I found it lol https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2435503/
Also holy shit it gets even worse
>When deprived of dietary choline, 77% of men and 80% of postmenopausal women developed fatty liver or muscle damage, whereas only 44% of premenopausal women developed such signs of organ dysfunction. Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline. Folic acid supplementation did not alter the subjects’ response.
>Moreover, 6 men developed these signs while consuming 550 mg choline · 70 kg−1 · d−1, the AI for choline.
More reason to keep your choline at 1g a day or more
Additionally, I'd just like to point out this line from this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6213596/
>Specifically, men and postmenopausal women are more susceptible to organ dysfunction compared to premenopausal women, when consuming choline-deficient diets [161,163]. This observation was related to higher estrogen concentrations in premenopausal women, which may enhance the endogenous synthesis of phosphatidylcholine via the PEMT pathway [119].
Wouldn't this mean that high T low E lifters need to consume more choline since they don't produce as much choline endogenously? This is very speculative of course so I'm not putting a ton of weight into this, but it makes sense to me
im curious to see what your full diet looks like. like what carbs of choice etc
>You've made a claim that people need over a gram of choline to be healthy but none of your studies have suggested that at all.
The 1g claim is about optimal performance for active lifters, especially ones who use their brain a lot. I never claimed that it was necessary to be healthy, the RDI is enough for that (unless you're much heavier, then you need more). That being said, since everyone on IST is trying to eke out that last bit of performance (think about all the meme supplements people take lmao) this shouldn't be an issue.
you guys should just get married at this point
And moreover, you still haven't posted body. Until you do, it is assumed that you are a 400lb tub of lard who has no right to be talking about nutrition besides a personal anecdote concerning the deleterous effects of consuming 4 liters of soda and 6 extra large pizzas for breakfast every single day. Post body
And you want to know why I keep going on about choline? It's a LOT more than just your liver
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518394/
>Considering these many diverse roles, choline deficiency can cause disorders in many bodily systems, including liver, muscle, and lymphocytes in humans and, additionally, the kidney, pancreas, and developing brain and nervous system in animals.
>Choline deficiency causes clinical illness in humans.
>One of the first clinical signs of dietary choline deficiency is the development of fatty liver (hepatosteatosis) resulting from the lack of phosphatidylcholine to package and export very-low-density lipoproteins.
>Choline deficiency is the only nutrient deficiency shown to induce the development of spontaneous carcinoma.
>Similarly, elevations in muscle enzymes (eg, serum creatine phosphokinase) can occur in humans during choline deficiency.
>However, studies in patients receiving low-choline solutions intravenously determined that endogenous synthesis was insufficient to prevent liver and muscle dysfunction characteristic of choline deficiency.
>There is also evidence that choline deficiency leads to decrements in some measures of learning and memory.
>During neurogenesis, neuronal precursor cells proliferate, migrate, and differentiate to neurons. Supplemental choline during this critical period enhances proliferation and differentiation, whereas choline deficiency decreases proliferation and differentiation. Choline deficiency also increases the rate of neuronal cell death.
>Choline deficiency has been associated with liver and muscle damage and increases in homocysteine (a risk factor for heart disease) after a methionine load. Recent reports suggest that choline metabolism may also play a role in diabetes, cancer, and cystic fibrosis.
Choline also has roles when it comes to muscle growth https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7400816/
And going back to the other study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6259877/
>Because choline is found predominantly in animal-derived foods, vegetarians and vegans may have a greater risk for inadequacy.
Again, it's very difficult (and in my opinion, impossible in practice) to get enough choline without animal products.
Also
>The American Medical Association and American Academy of Pediatrics have both recently reaffirmed the importance of choline during pregnancy and lactation. New and emerging evidence suggests that maternal choline intake during pregnancy, and possibly lactation, has lasting beneficial neurocognitive effects on the offspring.
Another reason why people should make sure that they're getting enough choline
>Do you really want to frick up your liver by being choline deficient?
its better than getting a heart disease from eggs
Choline deficiency also causes heart disease as well as cancer so you're outta luck buddy
just ate 4 eggs (bio)
How many eggs per day should I eat?
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see the bioavailability.
>"The science" keeps contradicting itself.
The science is only contradicted by ~~*the science*~~
Eggs are objectively good for you as others have said repeatedly. The only people here advocating avoiding eggs are clearly fricking idiots, just look at their posts.
Make sure you eat organic fed chicken eggs because an unhealthy chicken cannot produce a healthy egg and non-organic fed chickens are basically fed their equivalent of goyslop. Chickens need bugs, worms and even mice for food, not GMO grain.
Also free range is not organic, all it means is that there's a door in the chicken coop that leads to an open-air patch of grassless dirt that 99% of the chickens never find their way through anyway.
if anyone is really worries about eggs, do a cholesterol test before and after eating eggs. some people get increased blood cholesterol from yolks, some don't. If you do, skip the yolks and you're good
why not just put the two together and eat the eggs raw with some yogurt
i eat 2 hard boiled eggs for breakfast almost every day. when i enter them into the myfitness app the cholesterol is off the charts.
its called bulgarian yogurt jeez
I eat them cooked like popcorn
The fat frick is still giving his egg ted talk, I see.
I’m too lazy to read, is the 6 pack guy pro eggs or not ?
My ancestors never ate eggs
I'm not eating eggs
Simple as
Acceptable rep ranges (per set)
{1,3,5,8,12,15,20}
Unacceptable rep ranges (per set)
{2,4,6,7,9,10,11,13,14,16,17,18,19,21+}
Prove me wrong.
10 is fine
Ive been eating 18 raw a day for weeks now
>pic related
I cholesterol mog all of you
Hey Anon, (You) dropped this
Cheers buddeh
Because I eat minimum of 8 every morning, and I mostly care about the yolk anyway. It's about the fat and the fat soluble vitamins. K2 is a big one, I usually add some hard cheese, like gouda or cheddar to my eggies. Also a bit of bacon. Fry it all up in a stoneware or cast iron pan in ghee, none of that teflon or similar poisonous crap. Don't overcook it, you want the yolks runny, only the whites should be cooked.
There you go, the perfect meal. The only thing that is superior is a good ribeye.
how am I suppose to get as big as a barge if I don't eat eggs
You are supposed to drink the eggs raw. I can drink a glass of ~6 raw eggs in one go.
Tip: dont destroy the yolks or it will feel like you drink a massive booger
>not downing five dozen eggs in 15 seconds
ngmi
i dont eat eggs for protein. since i eat 8 a day that does come out to short of 50 grams a day. thats more than i expected honestly.
personally i've noticed my fingernails, hair, bodyhair, beard all grow way faster since i started that, and i don't get white spots on my fingernails anymore. quite happy with that, tbh
How do you cook/eat your eggs?
scrambled, with a carb source. calf a cup of lentils for example