Are barbell rows an absolute meme? They're way too easy to cheat on and they seem inferior to chest supported rows and cable rows.
What are the best exercises for juicy lats?
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Yes they are. Problem is the form breaks down as the weights move up and you end up looking like a monkey fricking football when you hump the weight up. Also are the limiting factors in which your arms and grip will give out before the lats can be finally worked.
Best lat builder is the machine pullover.
>Problem is the form breaks down as the weights move up
Then move to single arm chainsaw rows or kroc rows. More control and can go higher in weight.
Gotta love threads like these pushing noobs to machines w/shit advice, just like what a homosexual troony would do.
>just like what a homosexual troony would do.
Sounds like you describe yourself little c**t LMAO
>t.
Nice picture of yourself troony
>t. malding troony
>kroc rows
Extremely based exercise.
Though, you will eventually get some DYEL coming up to you spouting how "ugh, aren't you supposed to pull the weight back towards your hip for maximum lat activation?"
this guy says so too
>do kroc rows instead of homosexual troony shit
Chin ups, pull ups, and pullovers are superior to cables for lats anyway, maximal stretch happens in the overhead position.
Rows are kind of bad for other reasons, like limiting the ROM of the shoulder and preventing hyperextension which is really where the rear delts kick in overtime.
The adduction machine is actually the only other thing that compares to the pullover, but it's rare to find them. You'll get the GOAT lat and chest pump on it.
damn this thing is actually good?
we have one at my gym and I use it often but it doesn't feel like it works as much as even doing cable pulldowns
Everything you just listed is completely inferior to strict pullups/chin ups (fatties hate this)
>strict
Has to be this. I saw a SARMed out TikTok zoomie with a perm come up to the pullups bar yesterday and rep out 5-6 quarter rep pullups while his buddy filmed him. He looked fricking ridiculous in real life, and the ass form on pullups was comical
Yes but it’s good to do both vertical and horizontal pulling
I don't even bother with them, pullups and bent over dumbbell rows are better as you can't cheat on them without it being deliberate
dumbbell rows are the goat
Enjoy your hernia anon
>pullups
>can't cheat
bruh. Literally everyone except that weird guy that weighs 105lbs cheats on pullups.
Do chin ups then, way harder to cheat or kip since it is biomechanically awkward to arch your back.
Are these worth doing?
Just do chinup, fat ass
You know you can do more than one back exercise right
T. Dyel
just do muscle ups, dyel
I don't like trapping my chest against the bench in an exercise like this. Proper back exercise form should have the scapula retracting on the concentric and rolling forward on the eccentric--- this is difficult to do if the pec is not free to move, which is the case in your exercise. If your pec/scaps are unable to move, you're not really doing a quality back exercise, and most of the stress will be on rear delt and biceps. Remember that for back exercises you should not be thinking that you are "pulling" the weight... it is more you are drawing your elbow back, retracting your scaps, and broadening your chest on the concentric and then doing the reverse on the eccentric
What alternatives would you recommend?
one arm DB row is great and eliminates asymmetries in strength. With the bench flat, support your torso with your non-lifting arm so you are at the same incline angle. Also a cable row where you lean back slightly replicates the movement pretty well. Your best friend will be looking good cues for engaging the back rather than engaging your arms/biceps. Some ones that work for me:
>pull your hands more to your hips. Look at how the guy in your photo has the forearms pointing forward during the motion, away from the hips. That's gonna be more biceps intensive
>develop mind-muscle connection to learn how to move your scapulas
>think that you are not "pulling" the weight but rather driving your elbows back
My chest gets pinchy after doing these
what does pinchy mean
I stopped doing bent rows to do these instead. Certainly a lot more fun.
I somehow got a really bad pinched nerve in my neck from these. Never again.
They're good, takes time to learn the movement, I still prefer troony rows though
Kek I had a fricked up neck from shoulder pressing too heavy and it actually felt better after doing these the next day
Yes. Do chest supported rows instead
These are the goat
I feel so moronic doing this shit. I would rather do hip thrusts in a packed room of men than this.
In every routine I've ever done I've never had no room for rowing. My non-negotiables are
>neutral chin-ups (lat bulk/main back strength movement)
>wide grip pull-ups (upper back width)
>pully rows or dumbbell rows if no cable machine (massive range of motion and easy to do at the end)
And these were enough for the silver era guys who look better than the powerlifters and mass monsters today. There's no point.
Not worth setting up and even worse range of motion than regular bent over rows.
I don't like barbell rows. I asked someone to feel my lats and lower and mid traps while I held the weight at top and they weren't even hard.
I love cable rows.
>Tfw left shoulder quit on me
>cannot do any exercise in which my arm elevates above my shoulder
>still maintain solid back mass with chest supported rows and dumbell rows
>before blowing out shoulder had a period where I did only pulls and chins for back and it worked ok
In my opinion the back responds well to anything, just give it volume and some intensity in higher rep ranges and you can get away with only horizontal pulling, with only vertical pulling in my opinion you lose a bit more on other muscles besides the lats, traps and rotator cuff
Pendlay rows are great back builders if you do them with strict form which pretty much no one does. It's easy to almost totally take the work away from the back with shit form and momentum.
If you start relatively light and enforce very strict form your back blows up and you'll get stronger quick.
If you can do them correctly, they're not a meme. But most people frick them up.
I now prefer prone DB rows on an low incline bench, and more cable row/pulldowns because I don't like how much heavy BB rows tax my lower back and slow my progress on squats and deads. But I did love BB rows at one point, got to 315x5, but not planning to do them again any time soon.
I figure explosive pulls like power cleans, high pulls, hang power cleans and power snatches probably build your upper back pretty well
Why can't cheat barbell rows do the same? Especially if the weight is heavy enough that you have to use straps, say
They do. There's nothing wrong with cheat reps. All the biggest guys do cheat reps. Arnold and the boys never went around the gym saying "ugh, ackshully you shouldn't be swaying when you curl!"
Don't do a dry heave for your BB rows, but a lil bounce is fine.
>Arnold and the boys never went around the gym saying "ugh, ackshully you shouldn't be swaying when you curl!"
Exactly. Fricking form police Mary can eat a dick. Look at Ronnie Coleman, Branch Warren, etc. these guys throw the weight around. Obsession with form is condemning yourself to eternal twinkdom.
For me, its landmine rows, the best barbell rowing movement
Barbell bent rows are one of the most based exercises you can do for your back. You simply have to FORCE yourself to work within your means. Right now I do reps with 150 lbs which is not much but I insist on maintaining form and the thickness of my mid back has grown exponentially. I also consider them very good for maintaining healthy shoulders when doing a lot of pressing.
yes
>poor range of motion
>biomechanically awkward; unless you can lean over to 90 degrees, you may as well be doing cable rows or seal rows. When only at 45 degree upright like OPpic, it's kind of an awkward upright row
>lots of effort/focus/energy expended to support lower back, spine, and legs during movement--- distracts from and lessens output in the primary movement, and lower back stabilization is a weak point in the exercise that limits your weight
>makes lower back ripe for injury
>easy to cheat on, which I usually see people doing--- jerking bar upright with back, dropping body down to bar, leaning upright to build bar momentum, etc
Yeah I exclusively do cable rows. They feel amazing compared to bb rows.
Even though it’s kinda gay I like weighted inverted rows
Inverted rows are fricking based. I hate rows ever since switching to bent over rows
barbell rows are based, and people that hate on them mostly rowlets
t. 3.5pl8 rower
I just do dead rows
I'm just too moronic to do them right so I switched to T-bar rows.
>MOGS your shitty, inefficient lift.
this is probably the best that a back exercise can get in terms of form and ergonomics
>total freedom of movement for each hand laterally, up/down, and rotationally (you can pronate/supinate)
>can choose width of grip and that width can change dynamically throughout exercise
>freedom of movement for each hand means maximal recruitment of minor stabilization muscles as well as perfectly ergonomic movement that doesn't remotely strain the shoulders
>minimal lower back/spine stress or stabilization needed
and yet its a shit exercise. You are just inventing a whole bunch of reasons that doesn't really matter. It looks like you know your shit, it looks like the exercise is legit as frick. But all that shit is just fluff and irrelevant. Been doing ring rows for years. Its overrated af imo
maybe that is because u cant increase the resistance?! just a weird whacky thought
this probably very very wacky but like uh there is like this thing called backpacks sweaty, they are like, so wacky omg
whacky and really weird thought here, you never did that, i know it sounds crazy
Bent barbell rows are the most superior back exercise there is. Backlets not allowed to reply below this line
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mirin that lower back
They scare me with how they make my lower back feel the day after and while doing them. Just doesn't feel right, like it's just a matter of time before they frick my back up. I'm relying on chin-ups and cable rows for lat growth from now on.
not a meme back exercise but there are probably better options if you have the equipment and are focusing on hypertrophy
barbell rows would probably have more carryover to deadlift strength than other row variations
regardless of your goals, you need to do some sort of horizontal pulling
i really like deadlift rows with an explosive concentric and slow eccentric
Dont worry about if they're not optimal, they certainly help. Your back is a huge part of your body (obviously) you should be doing like 3 exercises including floor pulling to cover everything. I fail to see hwo you can have a small back if you do these, lat isolations, facepulls (or just pendlays) and pull ups
Do them from a floor not a hang. There is no way to do heavy barbell rows from a hang and not end up witj conpromosed form.
Doing it from the floor is a different story. It becomes an explosive movment like a clean
>Are barbell rows an absolute meme? They're way too easy to cheat on and they seem inferior to chest supported rows and cable rows.
If your cheating your lifting too much, if you 'brace your core' your abs and lower back become the chair to stabilise your torso to not cheat
>What are the best exercises for juicy lats?
any exercise where you tuck your elbows behind you as close to your back as possible
I've been going to the gym for a long time and I don't think I've ever seen a single person doing Pendlay rows
Doing cheat rows in the way that Cailer Woolam described them helped blow up my deadlift and added a lot of size of my back. So I still like them
I love doing barbell rows, they're tons of fun
If you can't do a proper barbell row that's on you
How strict do you do then? I feel like I have to use extremely low weight to keep my form strict but I'm not sure if I should be cheating slightly
Long ROM T-bar rows with 10kg plates is very based
homie all those exercises hit mainly Rhomboids not Lats