>BRO YOU NEED TO DO LOW BAR BACK SQUATS TO GET BIGGER AND STRONGER

>BRO YOU NEED TO DO LOW BAR BACK SQUATS TO GET BIGGER AND STRONGER
>95% of professional and non professional athletes use high bar back squats and front squats

Was Rippetoe wrong?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they both have their place depending on the application. 95% of powerlifters do low bar because you can move more weight, which is rippetoes argument, but high bar does more for general functionality

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So Rippetoe says low bar involves more hips and hamstrings too, which is important to note. Its a tradeoff allowing for lower deadlift volume and frequency in the program. Rippetoe is also against the idea of “general functionality”, he says to do what is optimal for strength in the gym, and train whatever is “functional” on the field. Kicking a weighted soccer ball for example is dumb because its less specific than kicking a regular ball and will neither build strength more than a back squat does.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If low bar works more muscle and allows for more load to be added, why aren't all (non olympic) weightlifters and athletes doing it?

        Rippetoe is wrong. That's age old broscience, and anyone that has ever actually tried to use their hamstrings while squatting while tell you it's so. The more upright posture of highbar is just more similar to the catch position for cleans, which is why weightlifters squat highbar. Most athletes squat highbar because it's easier to teach to form a shelf with the traps than it is with the rear delts, and you can run into mobility or shoulder tendonitis squatting lowbar with a proper shelf.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Rippetoe nor I don’t disagree. Everything you said is the same thing Rippetoe says. Oly lifters train with specificity to their sport. They aren’t novices. Im just repeating myself now, is this the best fallacy you have?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Oly lifters train with specificity to their sport. They aren’t novices.
            lol, so I become advanced immediately when I start doing Oly lifting? Why do SS then and not join an Oly lifting club to level up immediately?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              IST is just people antagonizing others for fun nowadays rather than any good will fitness discussion

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The oly lifting club will still have you strength train, most likely. But yeah you can also simply add oly lifts to SS that’s something Rippetoe discusses in practical programming.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They won't have you low bar squat. Because it's useless for Oly lifting.

                https://i.imgur.com/d1uSct6.gif

                WHy are you like this?

                Because you're a pea brained dumbass.

                Yes your forearms contract to grip the bar and apply compression.
                >oh so its a forearm exercise?!
                No, its a compound exercise. Not a forearm isolation. How is this a novel concept to you?

                Answer the question. You claim squats are a hamstring exercise because the muscle activation isn't 0. By the same logic, I can say squatting is a forearm exercise. Don't weasel out.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              WHy are you like this?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Also if you have never felt your hamstrings or ass get DOMs after squats it may be possible you are a novice and/or don’t train with any kind of intensity. When i change rep ranges or go deeper than usual, i get DOMs there. My calfs too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            DOMS are not the same thing as relative use and recruitment. If you're feeling DOMS after lowbar squatting it's probably your abductors. To add, I can almost promise you that I squat more than you.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >To add, I can almost promise you that I squat more than you
              Not him but post squat

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Are you suggesting that not using a muscle causes DOMs? Im not using it as a proxy for workout efficacy, but if they were not used they wouldn’t get sore.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Professional athletes train differently than novices, so nothing you said (even if its true) would refute Ruppetoe because he never said pro athletes should train like novices or follow the novice program

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If low bar works more muscle and allows for more load to be added, why aren't all (non olympic) weightlifters and athletes doing it?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because they aren’t novice lifters, i already explained this.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why should novice lifters learn the easier squat? why not the generally better squat?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because there is no better squat. Only better in some context. Do high bar if you want, but would be wise to also add in extra posterior work as well. I will say though If you don’t understand that one variable changes the other, then you should not be tweaking the variables yet

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >but would be wise to also add in extra posterior work as well.
              Like deadlifts

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Theres a reason the volume is low in the novicd program, but sure.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Plenty athletes do squat low bar. It's honestly not as big a deal as you think it is, for most people high bar is better but if low bar feels better for the individual then just doing low bar is fine.
        No amount of saying
        >but high bar is le OPTIMAL
        Would make the guy suddenly like squatting high bar

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It literally does not matter which you do. Do whatever one is more likely to keep you squatting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you’re committed to squatting it literally does matter but i agree doing one variation will lead to quitting the gym, obviously don’t do that one that should be obvious

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't matter for the average gym goer. You're going to gain an equal amount of strength relative to your progress with any of them.

        Rippetoe nor I don’t disagree. Everything you said is the same thing Rippetoe says. Oly lifters train with specificity to their sport. They aren’t novices. Im just repeating myself now, is this the best fallacy you have?

        >So Rippetoe says low bar involves more hips and hamstrings too
        This is what I'm saying he's wrong about.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > This is what I'm saying he's wrong about.
          Well what are you basing this on? Studies? Personal anecdotes? Come up with a more compelling argument its like you’re not even trying

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There are literally dozens of studies that confirm you have do not have greater hamstring recruitment squatting lowbar. Next time you squat, actively try and flex your hamstrings while standing up and watch how you don't move at all. You can even stand up and do it right now.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >actively try and flex your hamstrings while standing up and watch how you don't move at all
              I have to agree with this, I never feel or have felt my hamstrings contract hard ever been sore after low bar squatting.

              Hybrid squatting has given me some soreness or more activation in my hamstrings, not a lot but much more than low bar.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You don’t have to feel them for them to do work. Slice your hamstrings or tear your achiles tendon and go try to squat, good luck. They are certainly used. Perhaps not through their full range of motion, and perhaps not as prime movers like in other exercises, but they are certainly used

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Slice your hamstrings or tear your achiles tendon and go try to squat, good luck.
                You could say the same about your forearm muscles. Is squatting a forearm exercise to you?

                Ripplebreasts is a hack and a grifter, deal with it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes your forearms contract to grip the bar and apply compression.
                >oh so its a forearm exercise?!
                No, its a compound exercise. Not a forearm isolation. How is this a novel concept to you?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Rippetoe acknowledges his teachings contradict those studies and presents his philosophy as empirical evidence from coaching. He acknowledges that a wide variety of approaches work, at first.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is why you will never improve. You are too worried about variation and specifics. Ill fix you- Pick up heavy rock, put heavy rock down big muscle ook ook

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because Rippetoe is a powerlifting shill.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rippetoe is always wrong.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >95% of professional and non professional athletes use high bar back squats and front squats

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      kek, the fricking air hump at the end too like he's doing a hip thrust. absolute gold

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rippetoe is 50% wrong about literally everything he says. Dude is a better homoerotic fan fiction author than a trainer

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