>BRO YOU NEED TO DO LOW BAR BACK SQUATS TO GET BIGGER AND STRONGER
>95% of professional and non professional athletes use high bar back squats and front squats
Was Rippetoe wrong?
>BRO YOU NEED TO DO LOW BAR BACK SQUATS TO GET BIGGER AND STRONGER
>BRO YOU NEED TO DO LOW BAR BACK SQUATS TO GET BIGGER AND STRONGER
>95% of professional and non professional athletes use high bar back squats and front squats
Was Rippetoe wrong?
Yes
they both have their place depending on the application. 95% of powerlifters do low bar because you can move more weight, which is rippetoes argument, but high bar does more for general functionality
So Rippetoe says low bar involves more hips and hamstrings too, which is important to note. Its a tradeoff allowing for lower deadlift volume and frequency in the program. Rippetoe is also against the idea of “general functionality”, he says to do what is optimal for strength in the gym, and train whatever is “functional” on the field. Kicking a weighted soccer ball for example is dumb because its less specific than kicking a regular ball and will neither build strength more than a back squat does.
Rippetoe is wrong. That's age old broscience, and anyone that has ever actually tried to use their hamstrings while squatting while tell you it's so. The more upright posture of highbar is just more similar to the catch position for cleans, which is why weightlifters squat highbar. Most athletes squat highbar because it's easier to teach to form a shelf with the traps than it is with the rear delts, and you can run into mobility or shoulder tendonitis squatting lowbar with a proper shelf.
Rippetoe nor I don’t disagree. Everything you said is the same thing Rippetoe says. Oly lifters train with specificity to their sport. They aren’t novices. Im just repeating myself now, is this the best fallacy you have?
>Oly lifters train with specificity to their sport. They aren’t novices.
lol, so I become advanced immediately when I start doing Oly lifting? Why do SS then and not join an Oly lifting club to level up immediately?
IST is just people antagonizing others for fun nowadays rather than any good will fitness discussion
The oly lifting club will still have you strength train, most likely. But yeah you can also simply add oly lifts to SS that’s something Rippetoe discusses in practical programming.
They won't have you low bar squat. Because it's useless for Oly lifting.
Because you're a pea brained dumbass.
Answer the question. You claim squats are a hamstring exercise because the muscle activation isn't 0. By the same logic, I can say squatting is a forearm exercise. Don't weasel out.
WHy are you like this?
Also if you have never felt your hamstrings or ass get DOMs after squats it may be possible you are a novice and/or don’t train with any kind of intensity. When i change rep ranges or go deeper than usual, i get DOMs there. My calfs too.
DOMS are not the same thing as relative use and recruitment. If you're feeling DOMS after lowbar squatting it's probably your abductors. To add, I can almost promise you that I squat more than you.
>To add, I can almost promise you that I squat more than you
Not him but post squat
Are you suggesting that not using a muscle causes DOMs? Im not using it as a proxy for workout efficacy, but if they were not used they wouldn’t get sore.
Professional athletes train differently than novices, so nothing you said (even if its true) would refute Ruppetoe because he never said pro athletes should train like novices or follow the novice program
If low bar works more muscle and allows for more load to be added, why aren't all (non olympic) weightlifters and athletes doing it?
Because they aren’t novice lifters, i already explained this.
why should novice lifters learn the easier squat? why not the generally better squat?
Because there is no better squat. Only better in some context. Do high bar if you want, but would be wise to also add in extra posterior work as well. I will say though If you don’t understand that one variable changes the other, then you should not be tweaking the variables yet
>but would be wise to also add in extra posterior work as well.
Like deadlifts
Theres a reason the volume is low in the novicd program, but sure.
Plenty athletes do squat low bar. It's honestly not as big a deal as you think it is, for most people high bar is better but if low bar feels better for the individual then just doing low bar is fine.
No amount of saying
>but high bar is le OPTIMAL
Would make the guy suddenly like squatting high bar
It literally does not matter which you do. Do whatever one is more likely to keep you squatting.
If you’re committed to squatting it literally does matter but i agree doing one variation will lead to quitting the gym, obviously don’t do that one that should be obvious
It doesn't matter for the average gym goer. You're going to gain an equal amount of strength relative to your progress with any of them.
>So Rippetoe says low bar involves more hips and hamstrings too
This is what I'm saying he's wrong about.
> This is what I'm saying he's wrong about.
Well what are you basing this on? Studies? Personal anecdotes? Come up with a more compelling argument its like you’re not even trying
There are literally dozens of studies that confirm you have do not have greater hamstring recruitment squatting lowbar. Next time you squat, actively try and flex your hamstrings while standing up and watch how you don't move at all. You can even stand up and do it right now.
>actively try and flex your hamstrings while standing up and watch how you don't move at all
I have to agree with this, I never feel or have felt my hamstrings contract hard ever been sore after low bar squatting.
Hybrid squatting has given me some soreness or more activation in my hamstrings, not a lot but much more than low bar.
You don’t have to feel them for them to do work. Slice your hamstrings or tear your achiles tendon and go try to squat, good luck. They are certainly used. Perhaps not through their full range of motion, and perhaps not as prime movers like in other exercises, but they are certainly used
>Slice your hamstrings or tear your achiles tendon and go try to squat, good luck.
You could say the same about your forearm muscles. Is squatting a forearm exercise to you?
Ripplebreasts is a hack and a grifter, deal with it.
Yes your forearms contract to grip the bar and apply compression.
>oh so its a forearm exercise?!
No, its a compound exercise. Not a forearm isolation. How is this a novel concept to you?
Rippetoe acknowledges his teachings contradict those studies and presents his philosophy as empirical evidence from coaching. He acknowledges that a wide variety of approaches work, at first.
This is why you will never improve. You are too worried about variation and specifics. Ill fix you- Pick up heavy rock, put heavy rock down big muscle ook ook
Because Rippetoe is a powerlifting shill.
Rippetoe is always wrong.
>95% of professional and non professional athletes use high bar back squats and front squats
kek, the fricking air hump at the end too like he's doing a hip thrust. absolute gold
Rippetoe is 50% wrong about literally everything he says. Dude is a better homoerotic fan fiction author than a trainer