Caloric Restriction

Caloric Restriction is the holy grail of living a long and healthy life.
Look at these two rhesus monkeys. They're both 27 years old. The left one could eat when and how much he wanted, the right one was put on caloric restriction for his entire life.

>"Scientists have known for decades that caloric restriction—reducing calorie intake without malnutrition—slows aging and extends life span"
>"Something about eating a diet that is low in calories but nutritionally complete causes a dramatic reprogramming of cellular metabolism that can't be replicated by exercise or by eating smaller amounts of high-calorie foods."

https://cen.acs.org/articles/87/i31/Curious-Case-Caloric-Restriction.html

STOP BULKING
Our ancestors in the stone age weren't bulking either, they were on caloric deficit for 99% of the time, this is the normal human condition.

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    MOGed (monkey of group)

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    intermittent fasting leanbulk

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most based post of the thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      OMAD?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't your body not allow you to absorb more than like 30g of protein at a time per meal? If that is the case OMAD is retarded.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I’m not sure how rock solid that is but it seems to be at least somewhat true. I’m sure the body adjusts to a degree if you do OMAD but it’s still retarded if building muscle is your goal

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No. muscle protein synthesis is capped at 30-50gr. Your body still uses protein for a lot of other stuff.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Doesn't your body not allow you to absorb more than like 30g of protein at a time per meal
          explain, cause u just claimed u cant intermittent fast while working out(2 meals = 60g of protein MAX)

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are these high nutrient low calorie foods that they were eating?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming that 27 is towards the end of the lifespan of a rhesus monkey, how did they look in mid-life? Did the bulking monkey mog the other one?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Rhesus macaques live approximately 25 years in captivity, with a maximum recorded lifespan of 40 years.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Son of slaves, lucks into royalty, tells them to get fucked
    >So built the sea gets out of his way
    >Spends years in the desert yelling at garden gnomes
    >Huge calorie deficit: only eats milk and honey bestowed by God
    >Lives to 120
    WAGMI

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    but then how am I gonna get big

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      By lifting duh

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you won't get big lifting on a deficit gay

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Caloric restriction and caloric deficit are not the same, my homosexual friend

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            then what's the difference?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              You can bulk with a 500 kcal surplus, a 1k kcal surplus, or a 100 kcal surplus

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                so the lean bulk is the way?

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Or a recomp

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                So it would seem

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      bloatmaxx for 2 years, build a foundation and then take the fasting pill.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Based. Also more muscle mass will lower insulin resistance

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You probably won't. The article mentions reducing protein synthesis as the mechanism in several places. Also:
      >Mice on calorie-restricted diets show a 30–40% reduction in IGF-1 levels, but this reduction does not take place in humans. ...low IGF-1 levels have been linked with increased life span and reduced cancer risk.
      >...people to go for three weeks on a diet that contains the same amount of calories they normally consume, but lower protein, and, in fact, IGF-1 levels dropped,". ...possibility that in addition to caloric restriction, protein restriction might be important for slowing aging in humans.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This sounds like one of those Faustian bargains where you get to live forever but you continue aging, except here you get 10 years added to your lifespan but you become a vegetable for the last 40.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No shit, even medieval people figured this out.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They were too poor to eat. Wasn’t a choice.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >caloric restriction
    >low calorie
    These are relative terms. The answer is, once again, fucking exercise.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    McDougall diet, period. Get lean brothers

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your body works less to digest the food, it's not a mystery. Fat people are accelerating their death the same way you break a machine from using it too much.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      comparable to wear and tear? OPs article suggests it's more of a genetic adaptation

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        More of wear and tear than anything. Try jerking off nonstop until your skin peels off. Try to continuously eat while shitting at the same time. You’d pass out. The same is seen in many forms, with the “replacements” of things that should be limited. Fat cattle eat aspartame because “they won’t get fat because it’s not sugar(it’s goyslop/HFCS)” but then their body sees aspartame as sugar. However, it does not get the energy from sugar, and depletes energy in the body whilst also increasing insulin in the body as a reaction to aspartame. As a result, the cattle dies because it literally “drinks nutritionally deficient items” to death while wasting needless resources in the process.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nice broscience, link me your blog I’d love to read more.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Aspartame doesn't increase insulin you retard

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not him, but doesn’t aspartame trigger an insulin response?

            https://i.imgur.com/IeuLIDZ.jpg

            Caloric Restriction is the holy grail of living a long and healthy life.
            Look at these two rhesus monkeys. They're both 27 years old. The left one could eat when and how much he wanted, the right one was put on caloric restriction for his entire life.

            >"Scientists have known for decades that caloric restriction—reducing calorie intake without malnutrition—slows aging and extends life span"
            >"Something about eating a diet that is low in calories but nutritionally complete causes a dramatic reprogramming of cellular metabolism that can't be replicated by exercise or by eating smaller amounts of high-calorie foods."

            https://cen.acs.org/articles/87/i31/Curious-Case-Caloric-Restriction.html

            STOP BULKING
            Our ancestors in the stone age weren't bulking either, they were on caloric deficit for 99% of the time, this is the normal human condition.

            Just eat a balanced, healthy diet. I mostly do IF with a +/- 300 calorie buffer depending if I worked out or not.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              no

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is very interesting, ive personally noticed it with my own body
    when i was a teenager i had to get my bone age checked, inbetween i would bulk/cut. My bone age would actually increase slower when i was cutting or maintaining, and increase a little faster when i was bulking for certain periods.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every time a cell reproduces, the DNA gets copied imperfectly. This is what causes the symptoms associated with aging. If you are constantly growing larger, your cells are reproducing more and copying shit tier DNA like a JPG that got passed around for too many years.
    If you calorie restrict, your cells will be forced to metabolize the components of other cells in order to provide energy to function. The cells they will metabolize will be the ones that are functioning poorly. As a result, the average genetic quality of your cells will increase the longer you spend in a deficit state. The process is called autophagy and is well researched.

    Fasting is especially effective at doing this but it, of course, directly contradicts the goals of gaining muscle mass.

    Speculation: Probably an intermittent fasting scheduled leanbulk or recomp at +/- 100 cals a day is the best chance for benefits in both directions, but is not optimal for either muscle mass gaining for longevity. I'd say if you are already lean, then +100 intermittent fast and if you have some fat then -100 intermittent fast. If you're fat fat then just go for a normal weightless like -750 or -500.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This make sense

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So basically you're saying I should become anorexic?
      Because without more concrete info like how many calories I should actually be eating each day and what kinds of foods, the only takeaway from all of this is "starve yourself to live long and healthy life"

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you dont starve
        thats why you have fat
        only talk about "starving" when you have a visible 6 pack

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          holocaust victims didn't have visible 6 packs, starving africans don't have visible 6 packs

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >holocaust victims didn-

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what qualifies as an intermittent fast? I've been trying to do a 12 hr fast - 12 hr feeding window for a while now just because it fits my schedule/ lifestyle (I like to maxx sleep in the mornings and skipping breakfast because never hungry when wake up). But I also wanna bulk up to at least hit a 2/3/4/5

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fasting starts at 18/6 anything less is just skipping a meal

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > they were on caloric deficit for 99% of the time
    This shows you know nothing about metabolism. If they're in a deficit 99% of the time, they would starve. Eventually you'll have to live at maintenance calories, there's just no way around it. "restricting calories" therefore just means don't be a fat fuck. You don't need söyence to know that being thin is healthy.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    My bulk is probably considered a caloric restriction to these scientists tbh

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How this applies to human nutrition? Should we permacut? Is it acceptable to maintenance? Are short periods of bulk beneficial on the long run?

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >just starve yourself for the rest of your life bro
    >just have the willpower and moral fortitude to be ravenously hungry all the time bro
    have a nice day ignorent retard

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    THEY FED THEM DIFFERENT DIETS
    https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/calorie-restriction-improves-health-survival-rhesus-monkeys
    UW diet was purified with limited ingredients and contained a significantly higher amount of sucrose compared to the NIA diet.

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