Primitive man ate very few cereal grains. What they did eat was ether a porridge or an alcoholic slurry in the late summer and fall gathered by women. This probably was beneficial, as they needed the shelf stable carbs to make it through the winter. Agriculture was a fickle thing in the stone age and if you put too much effort into sowing crops and being stationary, a more mobile tribe could come and raid your crops and steal your shit. So early man probably did not evolve the gut to properly utilize grains year round
The basis for paleo diets operates on this assumption. And I can see the logic there.
But Europeans have been eating grains year round for more that 6000 years. Asians and Hindus even longer. Idk when the American Indians figured out corn, but it has been a while.
Point is, if grains and vegetables make people less healthy, but they ate it anyway; it would become an evolutionary pressure. And those who were better at digesting this abundant source of energy would be naturally selected over those who couldn't.
This is how Europeans became lactose tolerant. We brute forced our whey through the stomach cramps and bad gas and anyone who couldn't hack it was less successful reproductively.
We have been eating grain longer than milk. So it's kinda stupid to think we aren't adapted to it.
The reason grains are bad today is because we simply don't work hard enough to justify that many carbs in our diet.
>it's kinda stupid to think we aren't adapted to it
I wouldn't assume that everyone has adapted to eating grains to the point of not having negative effects from eating it, but I'm not a food scientist, and I imagine your last point is still correct
>I wouldn't assume that everyone has adapted to eating grains to the point of not having negative effects from eating it
Not everyone. It's possible that recessive hunter gatherer genes lingered on throughout time and are starting to express themselves more now that there are alternatives to grains.
Someone with a bad gluten sensitivity in medieval Europe would have probably shit themselves to death in childhood unless they were royalty and could afford a grain free diet.
I wouldn't be surprised if Eskimos got sick from too much grain. They were eating nothing but blubber and meat until very recently.
Australian aborigines also never figured out full-time agriculture. They've only had contact with it since the late 18th century. Literally less than 12 generations
>The reason grains are bad today is because we simply don't work hard enough to justify that many carbs in our diet
it's also a combination of iron fortification which we already got too much of and the fact that most of the wheat in America is genetically modified by Monsanto so that it can withstand being sprayed a shit ton of Monsanto's roundup
Wheat has never been genetically modified commercially. They only just barely started messing around with it in tests.
All the wheat in America and everywhere else is just the result of selective breeding. the same thing we've been doing to it for thousands of years
hecked.
The wheat if our ancestors is not the wheat of today.
In what sense? It's gotten a shorter stalk to make it easier for mechanical harvesting. But that's no unique to America.
The cultivars favored in America have a much higher gluten content. But gluten is protein. It has always been seen as desirable. With the exception of those who are allergic to it. It's being extracted and sold as a health food because it is low in carbs and high in protein
American bread is less healthy because it is almost always white bread with a ton of sugar. They have this stuff in Europe too (try milch brot with Nutella next time you're in Germany)
Grandma always said, the whiter the bread, the sooner you're dead.
Checked. Anon, you what? The wheat if our ancestors is not the wheat of today, at least not in Monsanto land.
99% of plant material is modified these days
a large chunk naturally due to the pollutants in the air and the garbage in the ground (even good land gets fricked in the ass the longer you farm on it using pesticides and Black person grade fertilizer)
the larger chunk is modified to get more yield and immune crops from the poor quality they grow it in
the land will only provide so many nutrients, and as a result most food is lacking in vitamins and shit, you need to eat upwards of 5-10x to get the same amount of nutrients you would a long time ago
this is why grain is bad now, the nutritional value it had has become too eroded and its just carbs
The average lifespan was 30 because of all the children that didn't see one and the women who died in childbirth. If you made it to adulthood you could see 60.
An Numidian king who fought with Rome was 80 and still riding his horse.
Between you and modified wheat guy we got some real idiocy, which I don't mind, but the asserting it so confidently I do
Only Americans need to care about slop
Their food tastes like chemicals. Their bread tastes like cake. I know of Americans who literally cannot go back to eating their bread after eating bread overseas
Food is fine for the rest of us on planet Earth. I eat healthily by just existing in a first world country
its scientific fact that adequate protein is important to grow to the correct height. this is why the dinaric peoples are still growing: for so long they were inadequately supplied. Right now about 50% of the population gets enough, and they’re already as tall as the Dutch. They say in 20 years a Bosnian will be taller than 6’2 on average
My 2 year old eats more veggies and fruits than any other kid in school. Most 2 year olds right now only eat potato chips, Cookies and candy. I haven’t introduced any kind of snacks to my kid yet but a lot of parents try to push for it.
Everyone is f*cking stupid do what you want
Fpbp.
No one knows the answer, thats why theres so many of them
Boob milk for baby.
That's incredibly fricking dumb. No she's not correct.
Primitive man ate very few cereal grains. What they did eat was ether a porridge or an alcoholic slurry in the late summer and fall gathered by women. This probably was beneficial, as they needed the shelf stable carbs to make it through the winter. Agriculture was a fickle thing in the stone age and if you put too much effort into sowing crops and being stationary, a more mobile tribe could come and raid your crops and steal your shit. So early man probably did not evolve the gut to properly utilize grains year round
The basis for paleo diets operates on this assumption. And I can see the logic there.
But Europeans have been eating grains year round for more that 6000 years. Asians and Hindus even longer. Idk when the American Indians figured out corn, but it has been a while.
Point is, if grains and vegetables make people less healthy, but they ate it anyway; it would become an evolutionary pressure. And those who were better at digesting this abundant source of energy would be naturally selected over those who couldn't.
This is how Europeans became lactose tolerant. We brute forced our whey through the stomach cramps and bad gas and anyone who couldn't hack it was less successful reproductively.
We have been eating grain longer than milk. So it's kinda stupid to think we aren't adapted to it.
The reason grains are bad today is because we simply don't work hard enough to justify that many carbs in our diet.
>it's kinda stupid to think we aren't adapted to it
I wouldn't assume that everyone has adapted to eating grains to the point of not having negative effects from eating it, but I'm not a food scientist, and I imagine your last point is still correct
>I wouldn't assume that everyone has adapted to eating grains to the point of not having negative effects from eating it
Not everyone. It's possible that recessive hunter gatherer genes lingered on throughout time and are starting to express themselves more now that there are alternatives to grains.
Someone with a bad gluten sensitivity in medieval Europe would have probably shit themselves to death in childhood unless they were royalty and could afford a grain free diet.
I wouldn't be surprised if Eskimos got sick from too much grain. They were eating nothing but blubber and meat until very recently.
Australian aborigines also never figured out full-time agriculture. They've only had contact with it since the late 18th century. Literally less than 12 generations
Tfw I can't eat grains without severe bloating and pain for days after. Can drink litres of milk with no effect though
>The reason grains are bad today is because we simply don't work hard enough to justify that many carbs in our diet
it's also a combination of iron fortification which we already got too much of and the fact that most of the wheat in America is genetically modified by Monsanto so that it can withstand being sprayed a shit ton of Monsanto's roundup
>wheat in America is genetically modified by Monsanto
>wheat
>genetically modified
Anon, I
Checked. Anon, you what? The wheat if our ancestors is not the wheat of today, at least not in Monsanto land.
Wheat has never been genetically modified commercially. They only just barely started messing around with it in tests.
All the wheat in America and everywhere else is just the result of selective breeding. the same thing we've been doing to it for thousands of years
hecked.
The wheat if our ancestors is not the wheat of today.
In what sense? It's gotten a shorter stalk to make it easier for mechanical harvesting. But that's no unique to America.
The cultivars favored in America have a much higher gluten content. But gluten is protein. It has always been seen as desirable. With the exception of those who are allergic to it. It's being extracted and sold as a health food because it is low in carbs and high in protein
American bread is less healthy because it is almost always white bread with a ton of sugar. They have this stuff in Europe too (try milch brot with Nutella next time you're in Germany)
Grandma always said, the whiter the bread, the sooner you're dead.
99% of plant material is modified these days
a large chunk naturally due to the pollutants in the air and the garbage in the ground (even good land gets fricked in the ass the longer you farm on it using pesticides and Black person grade fertilizer)
the larger chunk is modified to get more yield and immune crops from the poor quality they grow it in
the land will only provide so many nutrients, and as a result most food is lacking in vitamins and shit, you need to eat upwards of 5-10x to get the same amount of nutrients you would a long time ago
this is why grain is bad now, the nutritional value it had has become too eroded and its just carbs
How can people post shit like this seriously
>dude the people who died by age 30? Yeah they were totally healthy bro they had it all figured out
The average lifespan was 30 because of all the children that didn't see one and the women who died in childbirth. If you made it to adulthood you could see 60.
An Numidian king who fought with Rome was 80 and still riding his horse.
Between you and modified wheat guy we got some real idiocy, which I don't mind, but the asserting it so confidently I do
none of you read my entire post. it was not anti grain or pro keto. you are all homosexuals
im amazed you Black folk keep repeating this fallacious point in every fricking thread. open a book zoomie
then it's better to stop eating literally everything that isn't processed goyslop, because people who died by 30 ate those too.
Keto schizo
Survival isn't thriving, all grains did was give humans energy to multiply and grow. 5 grain men still beat 1 meat man in a fight
What are you talking about? Where did you get the idea that 5 men raised on wheat equaled 1 man raised on meat?
thank you ancient ancestors for putting yourself through the trials of the eternal shits so i can drink the nectar of gainz thousands of years later
Only Americans need to care about slop
Their food tastes like chemicals. Their bread tastes like cake. I know of Americans who literally cannot go back to eating their bread after eating bread overseas
Food is fine for the rest of us on planet Earth. I eat healthily by just existing in a first world country
>on planet earth
Ignore this, I meant first world countries. Of course you get fed pure slop in China and other asian countries
Too late. I took you literally and am incapable of changing my mind.
Are there even any celt Iberians after the moors invaded?
the fruit and vegetables are gmo and doused in poisons
parents are moronic and literally cannon read labels or souce food responsibly
yes he is mostly correct
its scientific fact that adequate protein is important to grow to the correct height. this is why the dinaric peoples are still growing: for so long they were inadequately supplied. Right now about 50% of the population gets enough, and they’re already as tall as the Dutch. They say in 20 years a Bosnian will be taller than 6’2 on average
My 2 year old eats more veggies and fruits than any other kid in school. Most 2 year olds right now only eat potato chips, Cookies and candy. I haven’t introduced any kind of snacks to my kid yet but a lot of parents try to push for it.
>Mostly meat and dairy
Big Mongol out here trying to covertly create more Mongolian warrior children
Yes. Vegetables are for cattle.