almost all the machines suck, you won't get any gains using them, and the only reason guys have any arms at all is fricking around with this and 17 curl variations. in general, in fitness, if something is really easy to do, you are not going to get good results from it over time. people don't want to learn more complex movements with their body, and they don't want to increase the weight. so, here we are.
upper body machines are highly debatable
but lower body machines are good >seated leg curls, leg extension, abduction, adduction
these are all legit and are vital to complement squats+deadlifts for lower body
Leg press is based for extra volume work after you've done your squats
Definitely not a squat replacement though
Lat pulldowns eh same thing, who has gas in the tank for 5x15 chins at the end of back or diddly day
The meme machine otoh is indefensible
it doesn't train your abs directly. your abdominals flex the spine, deadlifts pull your spine into flexion. it's your spinal erectors that extend the spine and counteract the flexion of the spine during the deadlift. all the abs do in that movement is contract to create pressure around the spine, it's not the main mover.
>hey anon you're at the gym all the time take off your shirt show us those abs >ummm ackshually i have functional strength... s..spinal erectors...flex...flexion
If you find a good one a pullover machine is the best machine in the gym. I won't join a gym without one. Older Nautilus are still the best because of the cam system but are very hard to find.
At a gym I used to go to every morning a twink Muslim guy with zero chest would run straight to the cable cross and spend the first two hours of the place being open doing babyweight flies and then just leave. One day he was running late and I beat him to it and took as long as possible and he was mean mugging the frick out of me. I barely ever do flies on a cable cross just felt like being a cheeky bastard that morning.
As much as I would want to, you can't get all of your leg volume from squats and deads. Your lower back will be fried while your legs still have room for more.
Do your heavy compounds and supplement them with these.
>I wish my gym had a leg press machine
"Why not just do squats?" >Too easy, not enough weight
"You can add as much weight as you want" >Weighted squats are bad for your knees
This is the same guy who told me that you should never ever do deadlifts because they only work a tiny section of your back and are dangerous. He says you should do back raises instead.
You're probably misconstrued what he meant.
If your only goal is adding muscle to an area isolations and single joint movments are better for that. (assuming you have time for that shit) With machines that allows you go closer to failure safely and with larger volumes than your connective tissue can usually handle and with lower fatigue. There's also limits to your joints and connective tissue not everyone even if they trained from childhood would be able to squat 450 lbs safely. At which point leg press/hack squat or some combination of leg extension, hamstring and back accessories would allow them to progress without the same injury risk.
Big compounds are less productive in muscle gain but more compact in time required and the compound movments tend to gain strength better because you're actually using muscles in conjunction with each other and pushing that cns output. They're absolutely great but not everyone builds uniformly on them because of insertions and bone structure affect bearing load diffently.
Some people think their experiences with certain lifts are representative of everyone doing that lift and that's never going to be the case.
that scream "I'm a lazy unathletic frick with zero core strength"
"Oh, what's that DYEL? You did a total of 5 sets of DL over 75 minutes this workout. Wow. I wish I could keep up. I only did 25 sets to failure of my memes over the same period for 5x the volume. I guess I'm lucky girls can't see past my much more aesthetic physique and shame me for my underdeveloped stabilizers."
>incel/nerd/DYEL enters gym
>beelines toward this this
Takes up so much space and does nothing
almost all the machines suck, you won't get any gains using them, and the only reason guys have any arms at all is fricking around with this and 17 curl variations. in general, in fitness, if something is really easy to do, you are not going to get good results from it over time. people don't want to learn more complex movements with their body, and they don't want to increase the weight. so, here we are.
upper body machines are highly debatable
but lower body machines are good
>seated leg curls, leg extension, abduction, adduction
these are all legit and are vital to complement squats+deadlifts for lower body
>almost all the machines suck, you won't get any gains using them
>t. quad dominant with poor hamstring development
>t. quad dominant with poor hamstring development
Literally me. How do I fix this anon?
progressive overloading with a leg curl machine. once you can do the stack, your hamstrings will not be lacking
cope
seethe
dilate
Leg press is based for extra volume work after you've done your squats
Definitely not a squat replacement though
Lat pulldowns eh same thing, who has gas in the tank for 5x15 chins at the end of back or diddly day
The meme machine otoh is indefensible
How about you just squat more if you need more volume? Or better yet, squat heavy enough so you can drop the junk volume altogether.
Post body
>abs not highlighted
Your back is part of your core.
Nope, it’s just unathletic and unfunctional as frick.
it doesn't train your abs directly. your abdominals flex the spine, deadlifts pull your spine into flexion. it's your spinal erectors that extend the spine and counteract the flexion of the spine during the deadlift. all the abs do in that movement is contract to create pressure around the spine, it's not the main mover.
>hey anon you're at the gym all the time take off your shirt show us those abs
>ummm ackshually i have functional strength... s..spinal erectors...flex...flexion
You've done these lifts and don't feel your core being taxed? Do you just not use any weight or?
My girlfriend says I'm moronic.
If you find a good one a pullover machine is the best machine in the gym. I won't join a gym without one. Older Nautilus are still the best because of the cam system but are very hard to find.
>that time healing from a shoulder injury and you have to use the machines because free weights could fricking kill you if the injury breaks again
Leg press gets a bad rep but it's possible to get a nice high effort sesh in. My favorite thing is 100 rep widowmakers.
Another squad purist thread
Someone post top 200 body builders of all times since 1960s using OPs machines.
If you want to be a squad purist go ahead but don’t tell other purists who want to be pure about something else what to do
I could become a top level bodybuilder too if I blasted roids!
You probably couldn't. Just the fact you think that's all it takes means you couldn't.
I forgot genetics as well
I love machines, and there is quite exactly NOTHING you can do about it.
>Bulgarian split squats are enough
>n-no I don't have a db over 50 lbs
>yeah I'm poor and call my pullup bar a home gym how could smell me?
Newbies please ignore these posts. Do whatever feels right for your body.
At a gym I used to go to every morning a twink Muslim guy with zero chest would run straight to the cable cross and spend the first two hours of the place being open doing babyweight flies and then just leave. One day he was running late and I beat him to it and took as long as possible and he was mean mugging the frick out of me. I barely ever do flies on a cable cross just felt like being a cheeky bastard that morning.
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As much as I would want to, you can't get all of your leg volume from squats and deads. Your lower back will be fried while your legs still have room for more.
Do your heavy compounds and supplement them with these.
>I wish my gym had a leg press machine
"Why not just do squats?"
>Too easy, not enough weight
"You can add as much weight as you want"
>Weighted squats are bad for your knees
This is the same guy who told me that you should never ever do deadlifts because they only work a tiny section of your back and are dangerous. He says you should do back raises instead.
You're probably misconstrued what he meant.
If your only goal is adding muscle to an area isolations and single joint movments are better for that. (assuming you have time for that shit) With machines that allows you go closer to failure safely and with larger volumes than your connective tissue can usually handle and with lower fatigue. There's also limits to your joints and connective tissue not everyone even if they trained from childhood would be able to squat 450 lbs safely. At which point leg press/hack squat or some combination of leg extension, hamstring and back accessories would allow them to progress without the same injury risk.
Big compounds are less productive in muscle gain but more compact in time required and the compound movments tend to gain strength better because you're actually using muscles in conjunction with each other and pushing that cns output. They're absolutely great but not everyone builds uniformly on them because of insertions and bone structure affect bearing load diffently.
Some people think their experiences with certain lifts are representative of everyone doing that lift and that's never going to be the case.
that scream "I'm a lazy unathletic frick with zero core strength"
"Oh, what's that DYEL? You did a total of 5 sets of DL over 75 minutes this workout. Wow. I wish I could keep up. I only did 25 sets to failure of my memes over the same period for 5x the volume. I guess I'm lucky girls can't see past my much more aesthetic physique and shame me for my underdeveloped stabilizers."
threads that scream i am a homosexual
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I use machines because I'm weak and embarassed to show my sub-1-plate bench