Fatty Liver (NAFLD)

Sup IST -- anybody here ever suffer from fatty liver disease? I'm getting a lot of mixed results on how to eat. Some people say low carb and low fat. Others say fat is fine. Others say some other shit. The ketofags insist keto is the way but then say eat a ton of bacon and it'll go away.

I'm not even fat, but I will admit my diet hasn't been that great and I'm probably not doing as much cardio as I should be, but there's probably a genetic component in there somewhere.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How bad is yours? AST/ALT values? Do you drink alcohol?

    I started to have my bloodwork edge in the direction of NAFLD and looked into this. Basically it seems like sugar is the biggest culprit, as is alcohol (inb4 "non-alcoholic"), but might also just be about excess in general; the liver stores fat when it's overloaded in a sense. The conditions that make you fat, diabetic, high cholesterol, metabolic syndrome, etc. are the same ones that cause NAFLD. My impression was that specific dietary changes like low fat or low carb were misguided (aside from stop drinking soda or sugary beverages, which is huge) and it's more about generally losing weight and improving fitness. I reversed mine by losing 20lbs, but I was also fat.

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >How bad is yours? AST/ALT values? Do you drink alcohol?
      I don't remember. honestly I got diagnosed a while ago and kind of ignored it like a retard just due to a bunch of stress. I kind of stopped lifting last year and my diet had never really been that clean, but I never got fat or anything. I probably am eating too much sugar, which is still crazy to me considering how much less I eat than the average person around me, but I read somewhere that the number 1 cause of liver problems in westerners is diet not alcohol. I really need to get my ass back into the gym and up my cardio, would probably be the best thing to do, but I guess it's really time for me to make a better push into cutting sugar (not that your post was what did it, but maybe a lot of the issues will get better if I do it). I will try and at least cut back on carbs for the month though and see where I wind up. might do a 24+hour fast a week as well since my understanding is that another thing that's super helpful is to get your body to burn up the fat in the liver.

      I've kind of lost a lot of weight since I stopped lifting, but I might have to embrace skeletor mode if I wanna get rid of this. it's hard because a lot of the solutions I read for it are people who are fat fuck and no shit your liver is bad when you're about as tall as me and weigh 65lbs more of fat

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I was gonna recommend fasting as well. It will deplete your glycogen stores and probably help you start getting rid of the fat.

        If I were you I'd go back to the doctor and nail down exactly how bad it is and whether or not you have diabetes or prediabetes. Especially if you're experiencing this and you're not fat or drinking alcohol, there may be something metabolic going on. Or maybe you were hungover when you got your blood test and it's resolved since then. Important to know how bad it actually is; sometimes doctors are just like "oh this is 'high'" and they don't specify how high or how serious it is.

        What symptoms are you experiencing?

        It didn't have symptoms. My liver enzymes were just high in a way that pointed to early NAFLD, which is so common it affects the reference ranges of the lab tests themselves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What symptoms are you experiencing?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I had fatty liver back before quitting goyslop, wasnt even fat just a bit overweight.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's ridiculously common. What does goyslop mean to you? Processed foods?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Delivery once a week, prepackaged junk like breakfast cereals, biscuits, crisps, some microwave lasagna and other processed shit that comes wrapped in plastic or a box. Feel a lot more healthier, energetic and my bloodwork and such are great.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PUFA causes it

    Go low PUFA

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      pufa deez nuts

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i've heard fish oil supps cause this too but this is heavily [citation needed]

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how many light beers can I drink per day without getting a fatty fatty 2x4 can’t fit through the kitchen door liver

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Plenty if your PUFA intake is low

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >can’t fit through the kitchen door liver
      My liver is BIG and HARD. A normal liver stiffness lies at around 4-5 kPa. In the setting of cirrhosis, it's 13-18. Mine is 29.6. I can feel it. Like having to take a poop, but the poopy feeling emanates from my upper right abdomen.

      I've had two different doctors tell me to knock myself out and drink within the recommended maximum alcohol intake (10 units/week), but I suspect they're thinking in terms of QoL and just want me to live a little since I'll likely be dead in ten years either way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        buddy get it together

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        just fast, you retarded fat gay. you can reverse it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        don't die frien 🙁

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Eat only the carbs you use
    Use real fats not stuff made in a vat like Sneed oils
    Don't eat junk
    This solves every health problem

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Stop being a fatass, and stop drinking. Those are like the two biggest things.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I am neither fat not a regular drinker

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Apparently being skinny is a risk factor for NAFLD

        >Underweight patients showed a higher risk for mild to moderate NAFLD compared to the matched controls with normal weight.

        I found this bit interesting:
        >Finally, the effect of weight gain on NAFLD could not be considered, which would have been interesting, as a previous study suggested, that in patients suffering from anorexia with severe malnutrition, steatosis especially occurred in the process of refeeding
        Sounds like "cheat days" could be harmful.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6241122/

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus there's just no escape from this in the west is there

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have NA FLD. Don’t drink. Poor diet.

    ALT was 65. AST normal.
    Confirmed fatty liver on ultrasound then MRI abdomen.

    I’ve been eating less and eating less frequently. I’m excited to see if this has helped my liver labs. Will be rechecking next month.

    The answer is a combination of low carb and fasting. Low carb and fasting is the cure for most diet related health problems. Fasting mobilizes the fat out of the liver and uses it as fuel. Do this until sub 15% BF

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I'm thinking cutting a bunch of weight is the way to do it. Hard to lift when I'm at that much of a deficit though AND doing low carb. Absolutely fucking drains me. Maybe it gets easier though. Lifting while fasted sucks shit too (since I do 36hr fasts every few weeks)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The answer is a combination of low carb and fasting
      Stated differently: a calorie deficit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not a calorie deficit necessarily but a carbohydrate deficit. Fructose and ethanol put fat in the liver not just any calories

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Fructose and ethanol put fat in the liver not just any calories

          fructose can only be converted to fat in the liver through de novo lipogenesis which again can only occur in a calorie SURPLUS you dumb gay.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Go drink some soda at a deficit I'm sure your liver will thank you gorilla moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Both Fructose and Ethanol are only metabolized in the liver, thus if you are eating them a lot, there can be a local caloric surplus in the liver even when you are at an overall deficit. But due to the deficit it should normalize over time

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No you're wrong just look up the metabolism of fructose. There is a reason fructose is uniquely implicated among sugars in catalyzing NAFLD. There are many people with insulin resistance who aren't really incredibly overweight and who don't eat some huge amount of calories all of the time.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Fructose and ethanol put fat in the liver not just any calories
          Your body burns those in a calorie deficit

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Avoid PUFA and alcohol
    Eat eggs, saturated fat.
    Carbs and sugar are fine.
    The choline and lecithin in eggs helps with fatty liver, acts as an emulsifier for fat.
    The biggest damage to the liver for non-alcoholics is generally from PUFA.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I had it, stop drinking and eating like shit and it should mostly heal on its own. I finally had to stop drinking because I just couldn't anymore and mine mostly went away after a year and a half

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what symptoms u dudes have?
    not sure if i got this shit or not

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There could be a lot of causes for your fatty liver: disorder, too high bodyfat..
      Get in touch with ya doc and ask whats the cause of your fatty liver. Srsly.

      If it's bc of too high bodyfat (yeah, slim people can be fat too, you MF): congrates, u only have to stop eating too much fructose (it's not only in fruits but also in a lot of food nowadays), eat healthier with a deficit and if you like you can do some cardio.

      Most fatty livers aren't recognized until the cancer breaks out, that's why a lot of people have one but never realise it. Often it's a suprised incidental finding. There are no or only a few symptomes for a fatty liver like tiredness or pain in the upper stomach.
      If you want to know if ya got it, well... go to doc.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    eat some choline ez fix

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    linoleic acid poisoning
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26408952/

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was a severe alcoholic for years
    Maybe about 7 years on and off
    Currently drink about one bottle of vodka each night
    Recently got blood tests done and my liver enzymes are within the normal range

    Feels good to be blessed with good genetics

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >battles with addiction
      >good genetics

      ok bro

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do Americans REALLY?

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    do you take milk thistle? if not do it this will help in addition to proper diet

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I got diagnosed with fatty liver before I became fit and was only overweight by a bit. Not a drinker. I dropped soda completely, lost some weight, and the pain has for the most part stopped. It likely is influenced a lot by genetics, since none of the obese people I knew in real life knew what I was talking about when I brought it up to them. Having a high body fat % (skinnyfat or obese) also seems to influence it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you had pain? I wouldn't have known other than through bloodwork personally

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't start getting bloodwork done at my wellness exams until I became 18, and my fatty liver was a problem that began when I was 16 or 17. The pain was this sharp jabbing flash that shocked my torso area a few times a day.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Polyunsaturated Fat contributes to NAFLD. So Does Methionine and Choline deficiency(eat eggs or liver, probably better to go with beef liver because PUFA in egg yolks). Saturated fat and Glycine(broth) are protective. Obviously alcohol causes fatty liver. Fat Soluble endotoxins contribute(gut disbiosis). Sugar is fine if you eat enough choline and methionine (meat, organ meats).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      srely there isn't enough PUFA in egg yolk to do much

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PUFA indeed does cause it, but there is a genetic factor yes

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Long fasts are pretty much the only way to make it go away forever.
    Like, 3-4 days off of eating, then you can eat something healthy and low glycemic load for 1-2 days, but still relatively low calories, so like chicken salads, vegetables, and olive oil, then 3-4 days off again until you can get a check up and see if your enzyme levels are normal.
    To avoid getting it again you need to eat a high-vegetable diet without too much insulinogenic foods and keep your weight relatively low.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >nobody pointing out how high the liver is located

    did I switch timelines again?

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