>getting lean and muscular easily puts you in the top 10% of guys
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yes.
Simply not being overweight in America makes you 22% of the population
Sexual competition is a real thing, women's brains are wired to seek out strong men who will protect their offspring, their resources, and themselves
A healthy, muscular male is not only a healthy partner to mate with, he has a physical advantage over other males
Getting shredded actually does help you to get women much more easily, but there is much more to life than getting women bros
>Getting shredded actually does help you to get women much more easily
Literally how. Women can't see through your shirt. Also it seems to me dating is 70% talking 30% attractiveness.
You can be the hottest guy in the world but if you don't talk to the girl she won't know you exist.
Nice cope uggo, online dating solves that problem. If you get 0 to a few matches, you're ugly asf. Not my problem
>Simply not being overweight in America makes you 22% of the population
Overweight = 25-30 BMI
Anyone who looks like they lift has an overweight BMI. Jacked roid monkeys can easily measure obese
BMI is meant for fatasses and people who don't have a regular strength building routine. You will actually need to be measured using calipers and measuring tape to see your BMI if you're not a fatass
I just look in the mirror to see that im overweight. Its pretty effective.
Not enough people lift hard enough for this to matter lol
This. BMI doesn't matter on IST, but it was literally designed for normies.
Oh, there's more to life than getting women? Good, then you don't need to make your whole post about them.
Please bro. Nobody even notices. Maybe it's different in the US, but ehre in Europe, being athletic is not uncommon at all.
Is it though?
Europeans are often less overweight but the men are also more lanky and effeminate in general
Being especially muscular is more than just being physically healthy, it takes a conscious decision and work, and not everyone makes this choice which is okay
>Europeans are often less overweight but the men are also more lanky and effeminate in general
Hahaha. MORE effeminate than Americans? The word you are looking for is "lean".
Europe has far more homosexuals and liberals
>lean
most european men could pass if they shaved their body hair and tucked their dicks. don't tell me you're not effeminate
That sounds more like americans (the ones that aren't fat)
no, it doesn't.
The smaller frames from being mixed with browns makes the statement fit better for americans
>brown
>american
you're talking about immigrants, not americans
lol frick europe
Yes Europeans are more effeminate, being a giant blob of lard is not feminine
great now the thread just devolves into amerisharts coping that their rotting nation of mutts is anything of value
t. seething euroslime
Depends on the area. There's a lot of lean handsome guys who act very masculine in many parts of western europe, but also a lot of gays, sure. But I can't say I've ever seen such a high concentration of lean masculine guys in the US before as in Europe, ignoring the beach areas.
>but the men are also more lanky and effeminate in general
source?
Here. Right here on IST. Ever spoken to a britbong? It's like talking to a depressed gay man
I have noticed that. Whats going on in Britain?
Literally it's their culture. My hypothesis is that over the centuries Brits have been losing and exporting all their masculine men. First with the Romans building civilization for them, then the Normans subjugating them, then the vikings raiding them, each one adding to the mix and of course stealing the beautiful women. Then they exported the real men off to Australia and the Americas and such, sending off more beautiful women as well. Then with WWII Brits send their manly men to die and get raided, losing even more of their good stock. Today the Englishman is so emasculated his character is defined by a passive aggressive self flagellating attitude that permeates through his thin skin like the stench of a obese fedora at comic con. In addition to this all of the beautiful genes have been shipped off somewhere else, leaving most of them unpleasant to look at. Theyve got nothing left to work with. It's sad really. Goes to show that exporting your good stock is just as bad as importing bad stock.
I have had this thought to, WWII saw the death of way to many strong white men. So you think it just hit Britain hardest when they were already on a decline?
I went to Sweden and never saw better looking men in my life. They however were completely lacking in any balls. When going to bars/clubs they would all stand around at the bar looking serious and wait for women to approach them. The women are insanely easy there and I had success with thots despite being mogged by most of the male native population, simply due to the fact that men literally do not approach there.
Men aren't supposed to approach you dumb ugly pua incel, it takes 2 to tango. Approach random girls is how you get canceled and reported
ok bro
more pussy for me lol
Like your ugly manlet ass gets pussy kek, nice larp incel. Approaching is desperation and pathetic,you think top 10% men approach? Ofc not, girls come to them. Trying to force a girl to be attracted to you Is pathetic
How can you even force so many buzzwords onto such a short sentence? Kys
beta af
Its beta to approach a girl and act like a pathetic court jester. Girls are supposed to approach guys and if they don't, sorry but you're ugly
Black folk are gonna rape regarless
Half the guys in my city lift or look like they play sports for a living.
doesnt BMI increase with height no matter ur body fat?
No. Literally says it on the picture
>Body Mass Index is calculated as person's weight divided by the square of height
ur height increase on a 1 dimensional plane
ur size/weight increase on a 3 dimensional plane
ur gayness increases on a 5 dimensional plane
takes one to know one
Square/cube law. BMI would be constant with height if it measured surface area, not mass (~volume)
Are you moronic?
he's on IST, what would you expect?
BMI is affected by height but not in the way you think the taller(above 6ft) you are the more leeway you have to actually be overweight while it says you are in good health but it is the opposite if you are shorter(below 5ft) but it is like a 1 point difference so it is cope.
In my country at least, fat people are disproportionately boomers. People in their 20s/30s are rarely visibly overweight (they're not necessarily fit though)
Wtf Croats?
Do we have a chart like this that just looks at people in their 20s? If we're talking about sexual attraction, I think that cohort is the only one that matters -- and I'm now in my late 30s.
>eu
>turkey
I don't get mites in America but I'm a Hispanic manlet
Not sure why you'd want that, but have you tried not showering?
Frick off with your demoralizing bullshit.
> I don't like the truth so I'm just gonna be a Black person and b***h about it being demoralizing like a giant pussy
Off yourself dyel moron
europeans seem like homosexuals tho
10% only?
i live in the city and fit people are 1/100
if i go to clubs then its 4/10
does it really put you in the top 10% of guys, "all things considered", or does that top 10% get averaged out with all your other much more average qualities?
being visually in the top 10% matters alot more than being above average in everything else trust me looks will have the biggest impact on how you will be percieved by the majority of people
(if everyone had the time to learn more about everyone else they would do it but you cant expect people to do more than base their judgement of others mainly on their looks/body language/etc.)
>being visually in the top 10% matters alot more than being above average in everything else trust me looks will have the biggest impact on how you will be percieved by the majority of people
Does becoming lean and muscular really put you, visually, in the top 10% of guys though? Especially clothed? When I'm meeting strangers I tend to notice other people's faces, eyes, hair, height etc much more than their muscle and weight.
It can but you guys also need to figure out your drip situation. If you dress like a child, or like shit, then you don't look or feel nearly as good as you could.
but I like business casual, I don't want another style
no amount of lifting will ever ascend me from being a shitskin manlet. its over.
Cope.
Face matters more (if youre not fat)
Wrong. I'm fit with muscle and sub 15%bf, still a khhv never touched a girl nor been on a date. If I considered "top 10% man", then where tf are all my b***hes
Being in the top 10 % in looks doesn't remove the requirement for good social skills and a social life where you meet girls
Social skills are a meme and overblown by pua/redpill theory morons. If I can make male friends, speak properly while not saying anything stupid, your social skills are good enough. Social life is also a meme, online dating proves you wrong. My friend for example has a mild form of autism yet he slays massive amounts of pussy on tinder cuz he's 6'3, lean and attractive face
you're moronic if you think social skills have no effect
don't take every extreme to value, a fat ugly manlet will never slay even if hes charismatic as frick but it does have an effect.
otherwise me being 6'5", lean and attractive would make me slay all tinder matches i got instead of them getting bored after a few days chatting.[
Your moronic if you think they even matter kek, your probably ugly, shorter and not as attractive as you think because a man who is 6'5 and attractive is top 5% of all men and will slay every available pussy in the area. If you can talk, you have social skills
you can cope all you want that your genetics is holding you back and not your obvious autism.
Stop taking extremes and get out of your basement.
i agree with you? And would you keep a box that had a shit inside of it even though it was sealed, or would you take a taste just to make sure?
Your a fricking loser then if your attractive and 6'5 yet still can't slay kek, how fricking pathetic. Girls look for good genetics, not some ugly boring dicklet manlet lol
>not some ugly boring dicklet manlet lol
>boring
if social skills were a meme why did you add boring there?
:^)
Because it's true. A uggo manlet is boring while a attractive tall guy isn't, simple as. The fact your trying so hard to reason that personality and autism is the issue, and not genetics just proves to me your some ugly/average male loser hahaha
Where am i arguing a uggo manlet isn't less atttractive than a hot tall guy?
How about this, hot tall dude with autism vs hot tall dude without autism, who slays more?
You are delusional if you think it makes no difference.
Ofcourse, i completely agree with this, but if your social skills are shit, you won't even make it to buyers remorse sometimes.
If you have a chad body you would need to be really awkward to chase women away. They line up on tinder if you confess you like to beat women and rape children.
Delusional, see all those chad tinder experiences for proof. Social skills and social networking are big memes, only physical looks matter
Only for first appearances. Those women may line up on tinder but none of those relationships would last apart from a quick hookup. As always, you need balance. Social networking, if thats your think, is a avenue to meet women that are not in to tinder and social skills are good for when you get in range of a girl. Having a good appearance means she will be receptive to your message. Its like with fire, you need three elements and if you lack any one you dont get fire. You need a way to meet them, talk to them and have them accept you.
Nice dodging
Answer the question
Hot tall dude with autism vs hot tall dude without autism
Who slays more?
once again i'm not saying a ugly Black person with a ""personality"" is going to slay as much as a hot dude, stop taking extremes morons
So two people on otherwise equal ground but one has a defect? So whats the point of the question?
What defect is there if social skills have no effect?
But the point is that at any level social skills will matter, an average dude with autism and average dude without autism will have different levels of slay.
No they wont, girls aren't attracted to average boring men. Why should girls pick the average loser when there's hundreds of more attractive guys to pick from?
>autism
>What defect
What?
>social skill has no effect
>autism is a defect for slaying pussy
pick one
God can you stop pivoting so fricking much? Does social skill have an effect, yes or no, simple question, right?
If you have social skills it will improve your chances, whats so fricking hard to understand?
>Does social skill have an effect
Nope. If your ugly, your fricked either way. If your attractive, doesn't matter.
>If you have social skills it will improve your chances
Every person on earth has more than enough decent social skills. If you can talk and listen, that'd all you need.
The guy who gets pussy is the guy who has girls in his contacts and gets them to show up with their cute friends to bars and parties. It's that simple; he basically has a harem going on, and invites his bros to share some of the spoils.
>Who slays more?
Not him, but I think his point is that at that point it doesn't matter. Once two guys are getting some, pointing out that one gets more and why isn't relevant to that poster.
Lacking social skills doenst mean you are a shit though. If you were you should be seeking to improve that part of yourself as well. Its all about being a better man then you were before in every way. It still starts with your physical body though, thats the first impression you give. Then you need to have a good interior to avoid buyers remorse.
>kek
>lol
>hahaha
it's pathetic how insecure you are. begone incel
Got to make your outside attractive if you want her to be curious about your inside. Would you buy the box off the shelf that was already opened, looks like it had been dropped and left in the rain or the one factory fresh?
>If I can make male friends, speak properly while not saying anything stupid, your social skills are good enough
Making a loooooooot of assumptions here...
your friend isn't autistic
He is, like asburgers or something like that. Good looks will and can overcome even the most autistic male
No he's not autistic, most likely he is more reserved and off-kilter which is completely normal variance in personality. You don't know what an autistic person is like.
Cleary your just projecting because he's my friend and I would know better than you. Sorry your shitty worldview just collapsed, not my problem. Seethe
>be fat in hs
>get fit in college
>retain taste for cute fat chicks
>endless fat girl pussy
And yes, they’re better at sucking dick and they always swallow
usually they are trash at sucking dick, trash at kissing and trash at sex
get some actual taste
>but none of those relationships would last apart from a quick hookup
You don't know that, girls will stay with an attractive partner over some ugly Black person with a """personality""". Social networking for pussy? Gtfo outta here nerd, what's with you gay pua morons? Just don't be ugly lmfao
I'm 5'6" so no.
It’ll give you a 1-2 point boost if you’re decently skinny and up to a 3-4 point boost if landwhale. I’d your reading this it’ll prob put you up to a 4-6 because that’s how averages work.
don't feel like this is true
I am 18 yo Dutch and 6'2 170 lbs lean, most guys my age are lean and fit, I think at least 50% go to gym regularily
women are a different story though, it's unbelievable how much fitter Dutch men are than Dutch women,
zoomer men are really really fit here (rural small-town netherlands), but idk how pathetic the cities are
anyone over 35 is really overweight and unfit, with exceptions of course, women as a rule are not fit and wear too much makeup and do not dress modestly (despite this being more attractive)
I will be going to a college near a city soon with lots of youth, outside of ruralchad territory, so I will see how bad it really is
maybe if you compare yourself to 50 year olds you are top 10%, but compared to your age-group?
I think maybe I am top 20% physical fitness for my age group, but that is because I am recluse schizo who does not consume alcohol so I have no beer-gut
>I think at least 50% go to gym regularily
>women are a different story though, it's unbelievable how much fitter Dutch men are than Dutch women,
This is the reality of the yuropoor experience. Boomers are all fat and disgusting. Zoomer women are also all fat and disgusting. Your competition is mostly IST.
>Your competition is mostly IST.
And most of those ISTgays are morons who will bang anything and everything, thereby artificially inflating your average ugly prostitute's value.
i certainly don't feel like the top 10% when it comes to girls
>top 10% of guys
your pic shows top 14% of guys
make up your mind
3 out of 10 guys are so bad they spend most of their time out of the public's eye
>be in top 10% of guys
>women still wont show interest because receding hairline and no jawline
Absolut suffering
Only if you are not ugly. If you look like me it literally doesn't matter what you do, you'll always be bottom 50% in attractiveness.
So you gotta find other reasons to lift.