How to sleep

Hello frens.

I want to sleep for gains. But I can't. Whatever I do, it doesn't work. Went to see different docs, no difference. Tried putting away my phone and everything and rolled around in bed for 4 hours after 48+ hours without sleep, nothing happening, not getting sleepy. This has been the case for a year, my average sleep per week must be 16-24 hours. What do? Do I just give up on gains? :0

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    melatonin

    i got baited by shark e-boi to view this thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Small doses of melatonin (2.5-5 mg) will help lul you to sleep, though as a side effect you could have some wacky dreams.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have tried already, didn't work. Thanks anyway fren.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        try upping the dose. Like 20 mg and you will be knocked out

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Idk, I don't wanna go in with higher dosages from the getgo.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I had similar issues walking for 90 minutes a day, not overtraining, and sleeping on a thin futon on the floor I also can only sleep at around 4pm if things are too quiet it makes me apprehensive. Also don't masturbate right before sleep. You can become really sleep dependent on that post orgasm calm wave to get to sleep but it goes away fast and can't keep you asleep.

          anything over 3mg pretty much builds dependency as do almost all sleep inducing drugs. They also build dependency really fast it's kind of like an addiction to if you're ever get a dependency for one it can be back in full swing after a dose or two.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Quit lying to yourself

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But I'm not lying? I just be laying in bed for hours waiting to sleep and nothing's happening :0

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Another anon here. How do you maintain sleep? If I manage to fall asleep between 21:00-22:00 I wake up super early at like 01:00-02:00 and at any hour past 22:00 I wake up tired af after at most 6 hours of sleep. How the fuck can I STAY asleep longer?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I kind of have the opposite problem. If I go to bed at like 0300-0400 (evening shift worker) I'll wake up to my alarms at 0900 and 1000, get up and piss, but fall back asleep until 1200. How do I stay awake? I don't want to sleep my daylight away bros

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Stop drinking caffeine, caffeine fucks with your deep sleep.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        h

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What did he mean by this?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            h

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you can't sleep, don't stay in bed.

    Fuck around, read, music, tea, no phones/bright lights in your room, whatever you want until you get tired, then head to bed.

    If you aren't sleeping, get out again.

    Have an alarm for the morning, get up no matter how much you've slept, go outside, get sunlight, do your pre-sleep routine at your intended bed time and repeat.

    Hold yourself accountable and actually stick with it. Associate the day with doing shit, and night time with sleeping.

    Secondly, get a professional opinion.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Any time I do that I get 0 sleep and I feel sick and throw up or get close to that. Bad idea :/
      >professional
      Like whom? The 3 docs I visited weren't worth shit

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Throw up? What are you doing?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          ... throwing up? Wdym?

          how old are you?
          I had the same thing when I was late teens into early 20s. I literally could not sleep before 3 to 4 am regardless of what I did. I was on melatonin etc and nothing helped other than simply out growing it. Apparently it's a thing you can get? idk but it resolved as I got older.

          That being said, I'm very very hypersensitive to stimuli even now at night. I can do 10am to 6am, work, study, train, play rugby or whatever, but if I get stimulated with something late at night, I can easily stay up until 5am. Here's my ways of combating it.

          >no caffeine in the PM at all
          >finish all consumption of food >4 hours before bed
          >no drinks <2 hours before bed
          >create bedtime ritual of the same tasks in the same order
          >do any last minute phone stuff I.e. setting alarms before you even get in the bedroom
          >use an eyemask
          >get into bed BEFORE you want to actually go to sleep

          the last one is a big one for active people who want to maximise sleep. we look at how long we will get to sleep from a certain time as if we instaneously fall asleep but that's not usually the case. I always get into bed 30 minutes or more before I should be falling asleep so I have both a buffer to fall asleep, and a buffer to wake up in case falling asleep takes too long or I need more sleep.

          Ritual is big too. I always brush my teeth, floss, shower (finishing with big blast of hot water), get into boxers, set phone outside of bedroom, phone down in room, eye mask on and sleep.

          hope this rambling wall of text helps brah

          >age
          19 in a few days
          >no caffeine
          no issue, haven't drunk coffee in half a year
          >no food
          Eh, I like evenly spacing my meals and I think I'll continue to do that. I tried not eating anything a few hours before sleep but that just led to be hungry and restless.
          >no drinks
          Kinda tough coz my throat tends to dry up before sleeping, need water
          >bedtime ritual
          ...okay?
          >eyemask
          Tried that, not too helpful
          >BEFORE you wanna go sleep
          Doing that for the past 12 months, pretty useless. As said, I just be wiggling around.

          There's lots of sleep hygiene tips here which you should use.
          Ultimately everyone is different though and what works for others won't for you.
          I've had some bad insomnia patches and this works for me:
          If you use sleeping pills or melatonin, use them for 2-3 days max then take a break. THey should be used to reset your sleep patterns, not to actually sleep or you will become dependent.
          People say to get up and read a book if you can't sleep. I actually think this is terrible as your sleep patterns become used to it. Plus copping all the light at 3am. I'd rather stay in bed in the dark and listen to a boring podcast then try again.

          ULTIMATELY - if you can't sleep, the best way is to just embrace. That's just the way you are. DOn't stress about it, just get used to being tired. Ironically after a while, you won't care that you have insomnia and will actually sleep better!

          >you won't care that you have insomnia
          That's kinda tough considering the sole goal I have in life rn is to pass a few exams and get more jacked and I need sleep for both of those

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you throwing up?

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Idk, I just feel super sick after a full night without a single drop of sleep.

              https://i.imgur.com/dBhzZUg.jpg

              alcohol

              Fuck no

              Go to bed at the same time every day, get out of bed at the same time every day.
              That's all there is to it.

              Won't change the fact I can't sleep at any of those times

              You need a specialist, not a GP

              What's a GP? And what sort of specialist do you recommend?

              get sunlight in the morning

              Aight

              Unironically brain MRI. I didn't know why I couldn't sleep before I learned there was an almost 2x1.5cm cyst in my pineal gland (the one which controls your day/night cycle and produces melatonin). Got it to lose half of its size with 500mg a day l-glutation and healthy eating (no refined sugar, no sneed oils). Sleep is still not perfect and I supplement 2-3g of melatonin but I haven't had real trouble falling asleep or getting at least 7 hours for a while now.

              I eat healthy and melatonin didn't work :0

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how old are you?
    I had the same thing when I was late teens into early 20s. I literally could not sleep before 3 to 4 am regardless of what I did. I was on melatonin etc and nothing helped other than simply out growing it. Apparently it's a thing you can get? idk but it resolved as I got older.

    That being said, I'm very very hypersensitive to stimuli even now at night. I can do 10am to 6am, work, study, train, play rugby or whatever, but if I get stimulated with something late at night, I can easily stay up until 5am. Here's my ways of combating it.

    >no caffeine in the PM at all
    >finish all consumption of food >4 hours before bed
    >no drinks <2 hours before bed
    >create bedtime ritual of the same tasks in the same order
    >do any last minute phone stuff I.e. setting alarms before you even get in the bedroom
    >use an eyemask
    >get into bed BEFORE you want to actually go to sleep

    the last one is a big one for active people who want to maximise sleep. we look at how long we will get to sleep from a certain time as if we instaneously fall asleep but that's not usually the case. I always get into bed 30 minutes or more before I should be falling asleep so I have both a buffer to fall asleep, and a buffer to wake up in case falling asleep takes too long or I need more sleep.

    Ritual is big too. I always brush my teeth, floss, shower (finishing with big blast of hot water), get into boxers, set phone outside of bedroom, phone down in room, eye mask on and sleep.

    hope this rambling wall of text helps brah

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's lots of sleep hygiene tips here which you should use.
    Ultimately everyone is different though and what works for others won't for you.
    I've had some bad insomnia patches and this works for me:
    If you use sleeping pills or melatonin, use them for 2-3 days max then take a break. THey should be used to reset your sleep patterns, not to actually sleep or you will become dependent.
    People say to get up and read a book if you can't sleep. I actually think this is terrible as your sleep patterns become used to it. Plus copping all the light at 3am. I'd rather stay in bed in the dark and listen to a boring podcast then try again.

    ULTIMATELY - if you can't sleep, the best way is to just embrace. That's just the way you are. DOn't stress about it, just get used to being tired. Ironically after a while, you won't care that you have insomnia and will actually sleep better!

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wake up at 4 am run 5 miles, then do push-ups and pull-ups till u physically cant do any.
    After ur done with work or whatever, do a 12 mile ruck.
    Take a break then lift weights for an hour.

    If you’re not knocked out after a day of that then get help

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    alcohol

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go to bed at the same time every day, get out of bed at the same time every day.
    That's all there is to it.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You need a specialist, not a GP

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    get sunlight in the morning

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically brain MRI. I didn't know why I couldn't sleep before I learned there was an almost 2x1.5cm cyst in my pineal gland (the one which controls your day/night cycle and produces melatonin). Got it to lose half of its size with 500mg a day l-glutation and healthy eating (no refined sugar, no sneed oils). Sleep is still not perfect and I supplement 2-3g of melatonin but I haven't had real trouble falling asleep or getting at least 7 hours for a while now.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This can be learned.
    >https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/health/fall-asleep-fast/

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    take the sleeping mask pill

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