No u dont but carbs cause water retention in ur body. Unless ur stepping on a bodybuilding stage for a competition u dont need to go to such extremes. 7% is insanely shredded and not recommended for aesthetics or life if ur not competing.
In essence, CICO is still king and will get you to your desired bf target but be realistic.
If ur a natty at 7% you will look small as frick and the caloric restriction it puts on you will most likely make u lethargic and possibly tank your test levels as well. Why do u wanna hit 7%? You will look better at 12-15% bf
>ur
Love from Kazakhstan. I hate mobilegays so much it's unreal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm on my desktop but half asleep, dumb gorilla Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
>unintelligible lip smacking
I don't speak ebonics, Jamal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
whiter then u, PA deadbeat
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shoo, go be a Black person somewhere else.
>Keto has hard results backing it up
You mean caloric deficit is proven to lead to weight loss regardless of whether or not Keto is used to achieve said deficit? Yeah we know. If you're claiming that Keto is a magic diet which causes weight loss regardless of caloric intake, then no you're lying.
Basically. Keto's fine, the problem is lardasses see that they can eat dairy and meat, think "wow, I can eat anything I want as long as it's not bread!", then proceed to eat 30lbs of bacon and chug 10 strawberry milkshakes and sit on their asses doing frick all. It's like the SS/GOMAD morons who have no idea what the hell they're doing and gain 40 kilos. Keto's only specifically nice health-wise if you have a risk of the beetus and can't into carbs because blood sugar. Pretty much anything else can be attained by a diet that isn't shit + carb cutting when necessary.
having a healthy body fat helps with recovery, injury prevention, immune system etc contrary to what ppl think unless genetically you're just heaps lean, you've not got to be to be healthy
>nocarb for sgred
If you're looking for quick muscle gain then you're going to want a chunk of carbs in proportion with your protein intake, activity level and what results you want. Proper exercise and some extra muscle will keep the fat burning down. Like
any diet that will put you in calorie deficit will do this anon.
said, any caloric deficit will let you drop body fat levels, the speed just varies. If you have no idea what you're doing, there's like a million "what I eat in a day" videos by people who lift regularly. Find one with a body you want and a routine you follow and see if they have any meals up.
>be ketotard >be on cut >be on keot diet >get depleted of glycogen >finish "cut" >eat carbs again >gain 10lbs of pure glycogen and water back
And no you can't avoid carbs until the day you die, you will at some point in your live eat above 50g of net carbs
The best diet is the one that works for you. If you like keto then go for it, if you don't then it is not necessary. As the first poster said, all you need is caloric deficit, how you go about achieving that is your call.
Yes goy consuuuuume the pufa, it's good for you. No you don't need fruits just consume more pufa and don't worry, you won't develop cancer. Slurp down that fish oil you dirty dirty goy.
>fruits are bad because we selectively bred them
people don't ACTUALLY think like this do they? I mean this is just meme falseflagging for jokes....right?
>This sugar bomb is good because its natural
Again, you're literally NGMI
If you eat fruits any more than an occasional treat you're a sugar addicted dyel.
I have gradually increased my sugar consumption since getting fit. I never used to like it before (never drank soda or ate candy etc.). My consumption if sugar has nothing to do with addiction as I'm not an amerifat. If you are lifting hard you are putting your body under stress. The one nutrient that helps you deal with stress is sugar. Lifting on low sugar, or low carb, is a surefire way towards injuries and mental issues in the long run.
Calculate your BMR, figure out roughly how many calories you burn a day. Eat 500 less than that a day to lose 1lb/week. Keep this up until you reach your desired bodyfat %. I'd recommend having an accurate way to measure your bodyfat, because you probably won't notice the difference visually.
>Keto has hard results backing it up
You mean caloric deficit is proven to lead to weight loss regardless of whether or not Keto is used to achieve said deficit? Yeah we know. If you're claiming that Keto is a magic diet which causes weight loss regardless of caloric intake, then no you're lying.
Keto and IF have hard proven benefits that you do not get from traditional caloric deficits. Pretending they don't is just ignorance.
2 years ago
Anonymous
such as?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Insulin levels drop
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15640462/
Cellular repair goes into over-drive
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21106691/
HGH boost
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/
Metabolism boost
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2405717/
Heart health
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20300080/
Now, what are the benefits of not doing keto/if?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally all of these are about fasting, not keto. To claim these are benefits of keto alone (what everyone in this thread was discussing this entire time until you slipped "IF") is blatantly misleading. Merely cutting carbs out of your diet will not give you ANY of these benefits, and most of them will apply during an extended fast even if you eat carbs (aka NOT KETO) on your re-feed days.
> what are the benefits of not doing keto
You get to eat carbs, which taste good and are everywhere making carb-avoidance an extreme hassle.
Shoo, go be a Black person somewhere else.
[...]
Basically. Keto's fine, the problem is lardasses see that they can eat dairy and meat, think "wow, I can eat anything I want as long as it's not bread!", then proceed to eat 30lbs of bacon and chug 10 strawberry milkshakes and sit on their asses doing frick all. It's like the SS/GOMAD morons who have no idea what the hell they're doing and gain 40 kilos. Keto's only specifically nice health-wise if you have a risk of the beetus and can't into carbs because blood sugar. Pretty much anything else can be attained by a diet that isn't shit + carb cutting when necessary.
>keto's fine
I agree with that, I just don't like the cultists who claim it's magic or the only valid diet or try to conflate it with fasting. My diabetic aunt is doing keto and she likes it, i'm happy for her but I certainly wouldn't ever do it and I know plenty of people who have lost weight without it.
Keto has been shilled here for a literal decade. People are just getting annoyed and riffing on it, because the ketolard stereotype comes from somewhere.
>Japan's obesity rate is 3% >Average bodyfat for men is 25%
How can your BF% be so high and you still have a normal bmi? Do Japanese men have any muscle?
any diet that will put you in calorie deficit will do this anon.
I've heard one needs to ditch carbs to fully get shredded
No u dont but carbs cause water retention in ur body. Unless ur stepping on a bodybuilding stage for a competition u dont need to go to such extremes. 7% is insanely shredded and not recommended for aesthetics or life if ur not competing.
In essence, CICO is still king and will get you to your desired bf target but be realistic.
>and not recommended for aesthetics or life if ur not competing
Why?
If ur a natty at 7% you will look small as frick and the caloric restriction it puts on you will most likely make u lethargic and possibly tank your test levels as well. Why do u wanna hit 7%? You will look better at 12-15% bf
>ur
Love from Kazakhstan. I hate mobilegays so much it's unreal.
I'm on my desktop but half asleep, dumb gorilla Black person
>unintelligible lip smacking
I don't speak ebonics, Jamal.
whiter then u, PA deadbeat
Shoo, go be a Black person somewhere else.
Basically. Keto's fine, the problem is lardasses see that they can eat dairy and meat, think "wow, I can eat anything I want as long as it's not bread!", then proceed to eat 30lbs of bacon and chug 10 strawberry milkshakes and sit on their asses doing frick all. It's like the SS/GOMAD morons who have no idea what the hell they're doing and gain 40 kilos. Keto's only specifically nice health-wise if you have a risk of the beetus and can't into carbs because blood sugar. Pretty much anything else can be attained by a diet that isn't shit + carb cutting when necessary.
having a healthy body fat helps with recovery, injury prevention, immune system etc contrary to what ppl think unless genetically you're just heaps lean, you've not got to be to be healthy
>nocarb for sgred
If you're looking for quick muscle gain then you're going to want a chunk of carbs in proportion with your protein intake, activity level and what results you want. Proper exercise and some extra muscle will keep the fat burning down. Like
said, any caloric deficit will let you drop body fat levels, the speed just varies. If you have no idea what you're doing, there's like a million "what I eat in a day" videos by people who lift regularly. Find one with a body you want and a routine you follow and see if they have any meals up.
This is literally the only advice you need on IST
>be ketotard
>be on cut
>be on keot diet
>get depleted of glycogen
>finish "cut"
>eat carbs again
>gain 10lbs of pure glycogen and water back
And no you can't avoid carbs until the day you die, you will at some point in your live eat above 50g of net carbs
Wow I guess keto triggers a lot of people here.
The best diet is the one that works for you. If you like keto then go for it, if you don't then it is not necessary. As the first poster said, all you need is caloric deficit, how you go about achieving that is your call.
read the sticky
>anon wants to lose weight
>"GOTTA START WITH KETO"
every time
Yes goy consuuuuume the pufa, it's good for you. No you don't need fruits just consume more pufa and don't worry, you won't develop cancer. Slurp down that fish oil you dirty dirty goy.
>Fruits
>eating the GMO sugar bombs
You're literally NGMI
>fruits are bad because we selectively bred them
people don't ACTUALLY think like this do they? I mean this is just meme falseflagging for jokes....right?
>This sugar bomb is good because its natural
Again, you're literally NGMI
If you eat fruits any more than an occasional treat you're a sugar addicted dyel.
>falling for the sugar=bad great depression psyop to get people to eat more cheap beans and legumes
Many such cases.
t. sugar addicted goyim
Fruits are literally the only thing on the planet that specifically evolved to support animal life.
Just admit you're addicted to sugar lol
I have gradually increased my sugar consumption since getting fit. I never used to like it before (never drank soda or ate candy etc.). My consumption if sugar has nothing to do with addiction as I'm not an amerifat. If you are lifting hard you are putting your body under stress. The one nutrient that helps you deal with stress is sugar. Lifting on low sugar, or low carb, is a surefire way towards injuries and mental issues in the long run.
>muh merifats
Yeah, you're literally coping. Enjoy your sugar bombs lardass.
Keto is not magic. It's biggest advantage is how simple and easy it is. If you are active you can eat any real food get to 7%.
Calculate your BMR, figure out roughly how many calories you burn a day. Eat 500 less than that a day to lose 1lb/week. Keep this up until you reach your desired bodyfat %. I'd recommend having an accurate way to measure your bodyfat, because you probably won't notice the difference visually.
Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm gonna do keto for the health benefits.
alright have fun
i wouldnt recommend getting 7% bf unless you are shredded. And from what i learned one digit bf lowers your testosterone.
Keto for cutting
High carb low fat for bulking
Doing anything else is asinine
The anti-keto shill campaign here tells me there maybe actually something to it.
You're so out of it. The whole keto thing is nothing but a shill campaign
Proving my point
Keto has hard results backing it up
The shit you post is literal hogwash namecalling.
>Keto has hard results backing it up
You mean caloric deficit is proven to lead to weight loss regardless of whether or not Keto is used to achieve said deficit? Yeah we know. If you're claiming that Keto is a magic diet which causes weight loss regardless of caloric intake, then no you're lying.
Keto and IF have hard proven benefits that you do not get from traditional caloric deficits. Pretending they don't is just ignorance.
such as?
Insulin levels drop
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15640462/
Cellular repair goes into over-drive
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21106691/
HGH boost
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/
Metabolism boost
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2405717/
Heart health
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20300080/
Now, what are the benefits of not doing keto/if?
Literally all of these are about fasting, not keto. To claim these are benefits of keto alone (what everyone in this thread was discussing this entire time until you slipped "IF") is blatantly misleading. Merely cutting carbs out of your diet will not give you ANY of these benefits, and most of them will apply during an extended fast even if you eat carbs (aka NOT KETO) on your re-feed days.
> what are the benefits of not doing keto
You get to eat carbs, which taste good and are everywhere making carb-avoidance an extreme hassle.
>keto's fine
I agree with that, I just don't like the cultists who claim it's magic or the only valid diet or try to conflate it with fasting. My diabetic aunt is doing keto and she likes it, i'm happy for her but I certainly wouldn't ever do it and I know plenty of people who have lost weight without it.
There are benefits when it comes to dropping water weight, which is why fighters often use a low-carb diet to assist in cutting weight.
>people disagreeing with me? I must be right!
lol, lmao
Keto has been shilled here for a literal decade. People are just getting annoyed and riffing on it, because the ketolard stereotype comes from somewhere.
>Japan's obesity rate is 3%
>Average bodyfat for men is 25%
How can your BF% be so high and you still have a normal bmi? Do Japanese men have any muscle?
>Is keto a good way to do this?
Yes, ignore the vegan troony shills.
old.reddit.com/r/veganketo
Keto is best weight loss diet. Carnivore is best for disease.