Is sleeping a meme? Don't you think that sleeping for 1/3 of your life makes you incredibly unproductive. Cut your sleep in half and use that extra time for preparation to make your day better. Or use that extra time to learn a skill that will help you advance your career/start your own business.
You're already draining your freetime at the gym. A fit body will not make you rich and sucessful. Stop letting "fitness" drain you of your potential. Wake up. Go out there and make something of yourself
>just sleep less bro
Becoming 50% less efficient in your day-to-day life just to save 2 hours is not a very good idea. have a nice day promptly, I don't even know why I'm replying to a thread so stupid
4 to 5 hours of sleep won't make you 50% less effienct
Plus you get more awake time in the day. You really can't tell me that you need those extra 3 to 4 hours to drive to work, work a 9 to 5, drive home, and workout
It will make you 70% less effecient, unless you mean blue collar work.
Also cancer, reduced test levels, reduced life expectancy etc. Not sleeping is seriously a retarded thing to do. Which I partake in, but just because I'm a stupid child that can't just accept the reality of how a human being is supposed to exist.
If you really want to become more efficient, then master lucid dreaming or something like that.
if only it worked that way. I fucking hate sleeping. "wow let me just do fucking nothing for 7-8 hours every day for the rest of my life". But it is absolutely necessary for growth and well being. Sleeping that little would absolutely destroy you. Sucks bros... I wish I could sleep for 2 hours and it be equivalent to a full nights rest.
>4 to 5 hours of sleep is little
Nobody is saying to medicate yourself to stay awake. You can train your body to need less sleep, without drugs or health problems
You can maybe get away with it up to 25 if you sacrifice your growth, but past that point it becomes harder and harder.
Having moved from a routine job to a more complex position I can outright tell you: you cannot do complex jobs successfully on little sleep. On top of all the bodily ills low sleep brings upon you, it gives you brainfog.
The millitary shit you watch with the 4-5 hours of sleep only works for really young people. That is why the millitary guys are drafted at a young age and past 30 the same degree of bodily torture doesn't work.
That video of the ukrainian troops getting their heads blown off by the russian guy ? The old guy was on so little sleep he couldn't understand giving his gun away could have saved his life.
That is what little sleep does. You can't make proper decisions especially in the nick of time.
Same reason why low sleep people are extremely aggressive early in the morning. To the point of starting fights over nothing.
>Nobody is saying to medicate yourself to stay awake. You can train your body to need less sleep, without drugs or health problems
you can't retard, you can certainly push your body and only sleep for 3 hours for a few days but exhaustion will eventually catch up with you then you will be forced to make it up.
your body absolutely needs the 8hrs, there are some freaks who only require 4 to 6 hours but those are a minority.
>dude just sleep for 4 hours every night
>your body will get used to it like a kid eating frozen dinners every night
No thanks gay, I enjoy my virile hormonal profile and superior daytime functionality
>I'm going to make myself fat and dumb so I can hust- er, wage more
>dude I fucking love DOING STUFF!!
>Don't you think that sleeping for 1/3 of your life makes you incredibly unproductive
My friends who ignored sleeping developed, stomach, neurological issues, psychological issues and diabetes, because they needed tons of sugar and caffeine to stay awake. They achieved this feat by 25 and only a few recovered.
>take substances to stay awake
>develop sickness at an early age
Stop being a young retard and sleep.
I fucking love sleep. I refuse to sacrifice it. I will sleep 9h and I will be happy.
>A fit body will not make you rich and sucessful
>oy vey don't think about anything else other than your materialistic needs goy, keep working hard for Mr. Chaim Shekelblatt
wonder who's behind this post
>just be a swole ass waiter for the rest of your life goy. Don't ever think you can break the chains of wageslavery. Keep sleeping. Keep dreaming. Stop acting goy
Oh and vain fitness goals are no different than material goals.
4 hours of sleep is not little sleep. It's more than enough. Sure the younger you are the less impactful sleep is to you, yet at the same time 30yos don't need 8 hours either. Donald trump at 70 is rumored to have slept only 4 hours during his entire presidency. So please don't tell me you cannot make complex decisions when even the president only needs 4 hours.
Keep sleeping 8 hours and getting nothing done. You want to know why people are depressed? They don't have time to get themselves out of the wage slave cycle. They sleep 8 hours. Play video games. Go to the gym. Everything but actually making a life for themselves
Like I said already. The people around me who live that lifestyle are high on caffeine, sugary drinks or falling in a near coma state before going to sleep. They all have health issues related to it. From diabetes all the way to neurological issues.
American presidents are on so many drugs, you have no idea what is going on over there.
I will be a happy grandpa one day, enjoying my grandchildren and teaching them the ways of life, without being a burden on them. You will be a vegetable with permanent brainfog eventually evolving into dementia if you even reach that age.
>Donald trump at 70 is rumored to have slept only 4 hours during his entire presidency. So please don't tell me you cannot make complex decisions when even the president only needs 4 hours.
>It's a rumor so it must be true
>the guy who routinely started his work day at noon while president
>only slept 4 hours over the course of 4 years
This is the kind of thing I’d expect from someone who advocates for only getting 4 hours of sleep a day
Take the biphasic sleep pill.
>wake in middle of night
>do X for 1-3hrs
>go back to sleep
I like biphasic sleep because I like being up at night when there are less outside distractions. No people bugging you for work or socialization, people and pets are sleeping, people are outside less with their distraction noises and actions.
Just have to avoid caffeine consumption during the early-morning wakefulness period.
I do this naturally but it's still a big waste of time considering you spend double the time trying to get to sleep/ lying in bed awake
I always know who works a low IQ shift wage job when they say shit like this. I'm a software engineer and getting less than 7 hours of sleep my problem solving abilities take a huge hit. There's no way I'm fixing a memory leak on fucking 4 hours of sleep.
It's also horrific for fitness if you're not on drugs.
>muh sigma grindset
>muh self improvement
lol zoomers, all that and you're still a virgin
I fucking LOVE sleeping
I LOVE snoozing and relaxing and being unconscious
I wake up in the morning and my first thought is LITERALLY "Holy shit I can't wait until I'm able to go back to sleep"
I'll LITERALLY sleep 13 hours straight if I'm able
this guy knows what up, sleep is literally the best part of life
I'm curious. If you could post your
>if you like sleeping more than being awake
I have a feeling I know the answers but I want to hear from guys like you
You, sir, are a simpleton that thinks everyone lives by your contrived rules and divisions. I love both life and sleep, for the two are but sides of the same coin.
Ok then please share your "stats"
You can grow your muscles while awake. Rest means time away from the gym. Not actually sleeping, I won't deny sleep is a good time to rest. But its not like you wake up and your body stops repairing your muscles
>35, inb4 boomer
>single for a couple years now
>idk, but I did make over 200k last month flipping shitcoins, so there's that.
>playing the guitar like the unemployed bum that I am, bjj, liftan, sailing, reading, vidya, some climbing, hanging out in a million telegram groups with other autists and scheming to take your money
>I love sleeping, and I love the periods when I'm not sleeping, get bent with your fake dichotomy
Camping kayaking Aboriculture
Need at least 7 hours preferably 8
Long term gf
Full time university student on full scholarship
Ref on saturdays, made $40 an hour yesterday
Don't necessarily like sleep more than being awake but I would easily sleep 10 hours a day if I could or more
Never had a gf but I'm not really worried about it, just focusing on building an empire
In between jobs at the moment but by year end imma be a millionaire at LEAST
Just hustling honestly, used to skate and play vidya but now I just focus on the grind. Crypto, stock market trading. Oh and motivational videos
Fuck sleep, I wouldn't sleep at all if I could, I get a maximum 4 hours a night, there's just way too much to do in a day to waste half of it on sleeping I mean if you're lazy just say that
>unemployed crypto gambler
>millionaire by year end
why do you want to be a millionaire if you will be too frail and unhealthy later on to spend that money?
yurop 1600 euros monthly
muay thai, cycling, board games, I have a dog so dog parks, lifting, baking sourdough and banana breads
I love sleeping, if I don't sleep 8 or 9 hours a day I have shit performance in sparring with my pals in the gym. Plus less sleep means no PR for deadlift or bench. Also if I sleep like shit I don't get hungry or thirsty so my body can't recover
have gf, lets see how it goes but got a good feeling
1600 yuros per month (poland)
gym, piano, chemistry, i think i may start archery
i get only 8 hrs a day - sleeping 10 or 11 on weekends is the best feeling ever
>in law school but will start out with job at 90k
>powerlifting, mma, chess, video games, birding, cooking
>not a snoozer, only sleep about 5 hours a night.
Sleep is like a lot of things in life, too little is horrendous for your health, but also too much sleep is bad as well. If you are a normie and not working out (domesticated goyim slave unit) then you probably need only 5-6 hours if your sleep quality is high enough.
Right? It really is funny that one of the greatest pleasures in life is when we're the closest we can get to death.
People only like sleeping when their real lives are devoid of purpose and excitement. Wake up and set some goals
Lol, ok Andrew Peterson
I have no idea who that is but the truth is the truth. On days where I have something exciting going on I can't sleep the night prior. I'm up all night thinking about the exciting day tomorrow.
I couldn't imagine being a snoozer. That's why men are so depressed all the time. Their lives are so shit, they would rather sleep than fix their shit lives. Like fat people who stay fat instead of losing weight
Why not both? I experience what you described as well, and pretty often, but then I love nothing more than falling into a deep, well deserved sleep. I don't hit snooze either, it would disrespect the holy altar of my bed, and the sacred communion of the zzzs.
>On days where I have something exciting going on I can't sleep the night prior. I'm up all night thinking about the exciting day tomorrow.
It's time to grow up some bud
I love sleeping because I get to not be me for a few hours.
>Go out and slave away in the economy for your masters, don't worry about your health or wellbeing, go accumulate those shekels
I sleep ~3 hours a day so the liquor hits harder. Saves me money
enjoy zero gains sleeplet. You so know your muscles grow during rest right? not the lifting of the weight?
>Is sleeping a meme? Don't you think that sleeping for 1/3 of your life makes you incredibly unproductive. Cut your sleep in half and use that extra time for preparation to make your day better. Or use that extra time to learn a skill that will help you advance your career/start your own business.
You're American, aren't you?
I'll just leave this here
>Liu T et al.
Learn to lucid dream, anons.
Haven’t managed to overcome the
>be in dream
>realize I’m in dream
How do I stay in the dream once I realize I am in the dream?
I've been having nightmares and only sleeping for 2-4 hours at a time for the past two months or so because I dug up memories from the past and started having nightmares like I'm in my teens again. Not sleeping much or at all is literally the worst fucking thing
no, you need to sleep to cleanse the waste products out of your brain
Living on low sleep isn't really living at all. I'm unfocused, grumpy, lethargic short tempered, unmotivated and I always over-caffinate to compensate which just makes me anxious on top of all the other shit.
>he doesn't fly over surreal landscapes in his sleep
Honestly, I would rather sleep 2/3 of my life
Go away neurotic. You can lower your IQ, health and muscles all you want.
Don't be surprised when others get further ahead than you in life
Don't be surprised when you spend your life doing menial tasks, because your mind and body are not fit for the more complex ones.
menial tasks like picking up something heavy to set it right back down?
Working out is not a business, nor a job.
So it's just a hobby that requires 2 hours of your freetime and for you to sleep 8 hours of every day. Kinda sad ain't it? How are you enjoying a hobby that's so restrictive to your freetime and non physical personal development.
Hobbies are an expression of self, not part of the day to day grind. They are proof you are not an NPC,
In fact I started BJJ recently and sleep for recovery became even more important to prevent injury.
Right so now you're destroying your body for fun, and you need 8 hours of sleep to compensate for it. Again that's a restrictive hobby. You gain nothing tangible from bjj and infact lou lose valuable time because it demands long recovery time.
So really. You can't even fall back on the argument that more sleep is better for you, because on the other hand here you are fighting for fun. Stop fighting, you need less sleep, you get more work done. Simple
BTW lots of NPCs have hobbies. Actually hobbies are for NPCs. Time sinks that make them feel valuable. A real person should have career goals and businesses as their hobby.
If a man can't defend himself, can he really be called a man ?
>You gain nothing tangible from bjj and infact lou lose valuable time because it demands long recovery time.
This is a nonargument that many apply to working out and being in shape.
Being in shape, like sleeping allows you a better quality of life and if not done in extremes - increases your lifespan.
>Stop fighting, you need less sleep, you get more work done. Simple
I've been there. Buried 3 years of low sleep to an ungrateful employer and all I got back was complaints for the inevitable mistakes that I did, while underslept and overworked, taking emergency night shifts to keep a work team from falling apart.
It makes sense only in a business that you run. Anywhere else you are cutting years off of your life for someone else with barely any reward.
Now I do not sacrifice my health for my employer, get to enjoy hobbies and get paid more for it.
The job market isn't fair and always meaningful.
Bjj isn't defending yourself. Plenty of bjj people get killed because they think they know how to fight but bjj doesn't work against guns, knives, or anybody not playing your sport
Sounds like you used your excess time playing catch up and not getting ahead. Unfortunate. If you were truly valuable it would have worked out, as employers recognize hard workers with the most output.
Now it sounds like you're just sleeping because you're looking for a purpose and bjj is that new thing in your life. Unfortunate. Soon you'll have a broken body and a poor career.
>Soon you'll have a broken body and a poor career.
Says the guy talking against sleep. The last guy I knew who did that and followed up on his words alienated all his friends and cause neurological + stomach issues for himself long term.
Enjoy your grim future for the short period of time it lasts.
Talking against excessive sleep. I'm not against sleep. It's good for the body. I'm against excessive sleep that wastes 1/3 of your life.
7-8 hours is not excess sleep. That is around 2 sleep cycles.
>sleeping 1/3 ,of your entire life is not excessive
Obvious troll is obvious.
He should be, but I knew a guy like him. A genuine retard.
So I can't tell for sure.
There are lots of mid 20's permavirgins out there who watch hustle culture videos on YouTube and think they'll ever succeed at anything because they sleep 4 hours a night when in reality they're genetic trash lol
>you gain nothing from your hobby, it's just a waste of time especially when you have to sleep more because of it
>what is health?
>anyway dude you need to be doing a REAL hobby like working
You definitely work at a gas station or not at all and will never marry a virgin
When you're on your death bed you certainly won't think "oh man if only I slept more"
sleeping feels good I like to sleep
based if high quality
tits or gtfo
If i get 5 or 6 hours of sleep i feel sick during the day. Shaky, stressed, i puke. Its so debilitating.
>puking because you got 5 hours of sleep
Wow. That's pathetic
Lmao 70% less efficient. Nice numbers. Youre basically saying you cannot operate a computer on 4 hours of sleep
>7 hours isn't enough but 8 is
1 hour of sleep isn't much of a difference. Sleep has diminishing returns the longer you sleep.
You need 7-9 hours of sleep. There is no way around this. I don't care about how you "feel" You arent unique and special. Humans need that range of sleep. They need it every day for their entire life. Every time you don't sleep well, you are doing yourself a disservice. And really, 7 hours isn't great and shouldn't be done more than once or twice a week. 8 hours is what you need.
OP is one stupid bitch.
Anyway, time for a nap.
This is why my goal is to become an expert in yoga Nitra and have light dreams, instead of wasting my time with samsara dreams.
>sleep is useless
>why cant I make gains IST?
such is life
People who dislike sleep, do you guys just not dream? I don't get it. My dreams are dope as hell and the main reason I love sleep
Maybe they don’t dream of remember their dreams. THC consumption within 4-6 hours of sleep can fuck with the REM cycles.
When I am healthy my dreams are amazing, creative and life-affirming. When I am depressed or over-trained I typically think about the worst episodes of my life on loop, like my oneitis I was too weak to conquer, when I quit playing sports in high school because I was not mentally tough enough, etc.
Sleeping less will quite literally kill you. We need more research to figure out drugs that can emulate supersleepers (people who can sleep far less and get the same amount of rest). There are untested peptide supplements you can snort for this.
>Don't you think that sleeping for 1/3 of your life makes you incredibly unproductive.
You are in IST, IST is less productive than sleeping
This thread is so fucking funny. Well done baiting OP. A true fisher of men
Why yes I sleep 8-10 hours a day. How could you tell?
The value of 4-5 hours more in the day doesn't outweigh the value of 4-5 of sleep.
I sleep 6-8 hours a day
Trade 1-2 hours a day
Work 50 hours a week
Lift 2 hours a day
No excuses to not be rich, fit and healthy you pathetic loser
Ha ha what a retard.
Everyone laugh at this retard!
I fucking wish I could cut back on my sleep at least a little bit. I sleep for 10 hours a day and feel like groggy shit, but I feel tired as fuck if I get even a little less sleep (although, I'll actually feel better generally, just tired). Dunno if it's sleep apnea, or some other sleep problem. But losing an additional 2 hours per day on top of the recommended amount of sleep (that is, 8 hours) really fucks up how much I can get done during the day. If I could just get an extra two hours to dedicate to my workout, then have the rest of the day to do whatever I want, it would make things so much nicer..
Same, I also sleep very late and stay in bed more because it's easier to use your imagination in that state, drifting to and from sleep, and I imagine I've got a gf. I know it reads like bait but I wish it was, I spend more than an hour combined before sleeping and after waking up, imagining I'm with a woman.
It's very rude to ask people their salary. It doesn't tell you a thing about them.
This kind of thinking is what keeps people uninformed and poor. If men knew how much others around them were making it might motivate them to actually improve themselves.
I just woke up after sleeping 4-5 hours, I feel fine but should I go back to sleep?
chronic stomach problems and general health is much better after learning about Sarno and TMS, but sometimes I still wake up at 3.30am with stomach pain. When this happens I feel slightly tires all day, then hit a weird zone about 5pm where I get a second wind and my face glows like im fasting. Im thinking there is sort of low level stress=overcompensatory anti-inflammatory process that is beneficial, the same way occaisional fasting or other means of simulating starvation can be health promoting.
Like these other stressors, there is probably an ideal level of sleep deprivation that promotes health, and too much is probably worse than none. You never hear about how fasting increases your risk for gallbladder disease and terminal conditions like ALS, but once a month wont do any harm. Thanks for reading, my poo is crimped and the rim is rusty atm so bye bye.