He's based and the only fitness youtuber i take seriously. He always backs up his claims with legit studies, not the ones done on mices. And he makes carnitards and ketolards seethe.
Hes a narcissistic israelite who made up bullshit like "metabolic damage" in order to have his clients pay him for way longer coaching lengths
Basically he cherry picks whatever he feels like out of data to suit his business ventures
So basically hes basically exactly whats wrong with modern science, all just a bunch of israelites profiting off bullshit crappy made studies which arent even reproducible (whose going to spend the money to prove them wrong?) so they get away with it and goys pay them for shit they dont need
I stopped watching him when he looked at a study that compared the metabolic response of a whole wheat cheese sandwich with real cheese vs a white bread with Kraft. The study clearly showed that the whole food sandwich resulted in an increase in metabolism, but he basically said
"Nah bro, CICO lol"
Despite the study showing the opposite. He's a grifter
exactly the explaination i was looking for, hes become completely insufferable and lost sight of any better future for anyone but himself
and he already had a bad rep of previously riding his phd like it was 200 IQ mensa rocket science top 10 in the world validation
Yeah and the worst part of that video was that showed a screenshot of the study conclusion and he literally edited out the last line explaining the metabolic difference. Intentional dishonesty
he's a israeli psycho who's been lying his whole life. he spent half his life as an outspoken fake-natty. he oughta be blacklisted from the industry for that alone.
This guy is annoying to look at and listen to and he spews exclusively status quo bullshit with the arrogance of every redditor combined. I can't imagine why anybody would watch him for a single second.
his content is terrible, I just hate the 'epic ownage' style shit. seriously have a nice day. that being said, i find him a good source because he is actually immersed in the field.
fraud, here he is with gyno, yet he's totally natural.
Also misrepresents data constantly to push his narrative. He tries to not act biased but he is, he doesn't even know much about protein despite protein being his thesis for his PhD.
Workout science sucks, though > These 5 women from the cross country team of a Division 3 school did [thing] for 12 weeks in the off-season, and we didn't control for anything. It had statistically significant results, but the p value is ridiculous
would this israeli face say sorry and stop shilling and make you waste money ?
Look
https://i.imgur.com/WN1hEnG.jpg
fraud, here he is with gyno, yet he's totally natural.
Also misrepresents data constantly to push his narrative. He tries to not act biased but he is, he doesn't even know much about protein despite protein being his thesis for his PhD.
he literally never admitted to being wrong about:
meal frequency
metabolic damage
training volume
BCAA's
he literally believed anything beyond 30g of protein in a meal is effectively useless for growth because of his flawed whey protein isolate studies measuring MPS after 2-7h of ingestion only
well we know have clear data showing that as much as 100g of protein from a single ingestion of milk protein powder(not even a whole food) keeps MPS rates above baseline for at least 10h straight, so he was completely wrong about this
he also never admitted to BCAA's being useless despite plenty of evidence showing they are worse than actual protein, he simply says they "have a place" in one's supplementation lol
he still clings to this metabolic damage bullshit because it's what his "coaching" depends on, just like that israelite mike israetel clings on his "deloads" and "overreaching" shit based on no evidence, their money depends on them supporting these concepts
he is changing his tune on the volume question, but not much, never admitting he was wrong about anything
the problem is not that he was wrong but that he spoke with such degree of confidence and arrogance using his PhD in protein metabolism as validation for all he said and the science was on his side and that everyone else who disagreed was just an uneducated idiot, if he was wrong about all that what else could he be wrong about now?
people need to stop worshipping these e-celebs
>as much as 100g of protein from a single ingestion of milk protein powder(not even a whole food) keeps MPS rates above baseline for at least 10h straight,
You're as dumb as Norton. That study doesn't disprove anything about MPS caps, the methodology is very flawed:
>proceeds to link a 20+ minute video without using his own words to explain why I'm wrong
not watching that shit
according to the video description a completely different study is being addressed to the one I am referring to
pic relsated, try again lil bro
The study is the one you're talking about, they linked another one by mistake. The video was posted as a source and because I didn't want to go into detail. You can understand why the study is garbage by watching just a few minutes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The study is the one you're talking about, they linked another one by mistake
it's not just the link
the description clearly refers to a completely different study using 2 different types of protein with also a completely different objective in mind
>This study investigated the muscle protein synthesis rates in older adults after consuming two different types of meals: an omnivorous meal consisting of lean ground beef and a vegan meal composed solely of plant-based sources. The aim was to understand how these meals affect the body's ability to synthesize muscle protein following the ingestion of a meal containing the different types of protein. This is the first study to compare the anabolic response following the ingestion of a complete omnivorous versus vegan meal.
for that reason I won't even bother to watch it >I didn't want to go into detail
then you shouldn't have posted >you can understand why the study is garbage
every study has its imperfections
use your words to tear this study apart, should be easy if it's so garbage
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, the description is about the linked study, not the one discussed. My reply was meant for anyone interested so it doesn't matter if you ignore it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
nevermind I watched around 10 minutes of it and this old ass dude is just yapping and yapping without any refutation making mistake after mistake along the way
every point he made is irrelevant and doesn't refute the data which is 100g of milk protein keeps myoPS above baseline even at 12h post ingestion which completely destroys this 20-40g protein per meal cap parroted around by layne norton and other broscientists for the last 20 fricking years
I'll adress what I heard from that idiot so anyone here can see what I mean >b-but you can't just eat a ton of protein in one meal and grow from it!
no one said that
no one ever said that
only that your muscles CAN benefit from as much as 100g of protein in a single meal for at least 12 hours straight >they didn't use a fast digesting protein
yeah it's one of the major strengths of this protocol, no whey protein isolate shit which clearly doesn't represent the digestion and metabolism of any whole food protein source >casein is one of the slowest digesting proteins there is!
they didn't use "casein", they used whey AND casein in the exact same ratios found in milk, it says so in the paper that they used MILK protein, and that's in both the 25g and 100g dosages (not casein like that idiot keeps saying) he also claims that they "only" used 20g in the lower dosage, which is also wrong, it says clearly in the paper that they used 0g as control, 25g as the lower dosage and 100g as the higher dosage, all milk protein, all containing casein AND whey
furthermore, milk protein digests faster than protein found in whole foods like beef as shown by other studies too so who cares
I could go on but this guy is senile as hell and I don't wanna waste any more time on this shit
layne and every other "30g per meal" broscientist was simply fricking wrong
it never made any sense at all for there to be a hard cap at 40g and a soft cap at 25g, it was all based on very acute and whey protein isolate moronic experiments
3 months ago
Anonymous
Your intelligence is showing. I don't know why you decided to watch almost half of it and write a blog about it when you implied you don't have time to waste; you clearly do.
3 months ago
Anonymous
no shame in being wrong, just maybe stay in your lane next time instead of talking shit and spreading misinformation lil bro
It was years ago and the I don't remember the dialogue exactly but I asked him a question wrt his "professional expertise" (sincerely, at the time I had no idea he was such a flog), and the c**t actually smirked at me and belittled the question instead of just giving an answer.
His Phd was about BCAA's being beneficial, then it turns out they aren't, so think about it.
He is a shill and a grifter as much as Lustig, Fung adn Berg are, just on the other side of nutritional science.
Evidently the guy is a big narcissist, likes attention and cherry picks "meta" studies to confront the other quacks, somehow trying to make you belive that the studies he picked are more based than the studies of the other charlatans. His stances on processed food, seed oils, sugar, artificial sweeteners are displaying his inability to see the consequences that those things have, because he is always about "muh studies" and can't comprehend the real situation.
A lot of his stances were disproven, yet he will not admit ever that he was wrong, because that would hurt his ego, he has a diploma mill Phd, is a roid troony and grifts by shilling "studies" to stay relevant.
The only smart thing I remember he said was that the biological mechanism doesn't always produce the expected outcome, but he likes to forget that when he discusses the "studies" he picked.
i mean he owns cholesteral schizos here lol
no he doesnt moron
He's based and the only fitness youtuber i take seriously. He always backs up his claims with legit studies, not the ones done on mices. And he makes carnitards and ketolards seethe.
samegay
Seethe, moron.
>inspect element
nice try the replies/posters ratio exposed you
Hes a narcissistic israelite who made up bullshit like "metabolic damage" in order to have his clients pay him for way longer coaching lengths
Basically he cherry picks whatever he feels like out of data to suit his business ventures
So basically hes basically exactly whats wrong with modern science, all just a bunch of israelites profiting off bullshit crappy made studies which arent even reproducible (whose going to spend the money to prove them wrong?) so they get away with it and goys pay them for shit they dont need
I stopped watching him when he looked at a study that compared the metabolic response of a whole wheat cheese sandwich with real cheese vs a white bread with Kraft. The study clearly showed that the whole food sandwich resulted in an increase in metabolism, but he basically said
"Nah bro, CICO lol"
Despite the study showing the opposite. He's a grifter
exactly the explaination i was looking for, hes become completely insufferable and lost sight of any better future for anyone but himself
and he already had a bad rep of previously riding his phd like it was 200 IQ mensa rocket science top 10 in the world validation
Yeah and the worst part of that video was that showed a screenshot of the study conclusion and he literally edited out the last line explaining the metabolic difference. Intentional dishonesty
he's a israeli psycho who's been lying his whole life. he spent half his life as an outspoken fake-natty. he oughta be blacklisted from the industry for that alone.
Do you have a link to the video?
>Nah bro, CICO lol
cico and keto are death cults. studies and real life experience cant change mind of a cultist.
layne is heavily autistic and has a need to feel like hes in the center of attention, regardless if he feels like its an important topic or not.
over the years, hes become something like a "everything is ok to eat bro, all the warning signals arent enough because something similar is fine bro"
>layne "mass is conserved" morton
>intelligent
>science
top kek
Narcissistic israeli drug addict
This guy is annoying to look at and listen to and he spews exclusively status quo bullshit with the arrogance of every redditor combined. I can't imagine why anybody would watch him for a single second.
metabolic adaption and insuline resistance is obviously real but its not like you need a coach to unfrick it
He looks and sounds israeli.
Therefore I don't trust him.
He says sugar isn't bad for you but eats only artificial sweeteners so i don't trust him.
He’s only based for consistently BTFOing carnivore cucks like saladino
his content is terrible, I just hate the 'epic ownage' style shit. seriously have a nice day. that being said, i find him a good source because he is actually immersed in the field.
"Nutrition" isn't a real field of study.
Brainlet cope.
I really enjoy when he exposes keto schizos and carnivore schizos
Seems like the kind of guy who critically looks at the data but he's not. A good instance of his myopic view exposed is in his stance on seed oils:
https://twitter.com/ChrisMasterjohn/status/1742363063368425897
?si=fhZ8CzlgBZTzurnF&t=1830
interesting read, thanks!
He went to Eckerd college. That's like the McDojo of strip mall colleges.
Layne "seed oils are good for you!" norton. Says all I need to know.
Note bloated /chubby face despite ostensibly low bodyfat % - could this be due to pufa accumulation?
no man wearing a shirt like this will ever be based
what a gay
fraud, here he is with gyno, yet he's totally natural.
Also misrepresents data constantly to push his narrative. He tries to not act biased but he is, he doesn't even know much about protein despite protein being his thesis for his PhD.
Workout science sucks, though
> These 5 women from the cross country team of a Division 3 school did [thing] for 12 weeks in the off-season, and we didn't control for anything. It had statistically significant results, but the p value is ridiculous
.LayneNorton
look at this autist.
>make america science again
Translation: believe my bullshit studies so I can sell muh products
he was wrong about many things
meal frequency
metabolic damage
training volume
BCAA's
did he ever admit to being wrong on this shit? or is he still shilling products/programs based on this bullshit?
would this israeli face say sorry and stop shilling and make you waste money ?
Look
for reference
he literally never admitted to being wrong about:
meal frequency
metabolic damage
training volume
BCAA's
he literally believed anything beyond 30g of protein in a meal is effectively useless for growth because of his flawed whey protein isolate studies measuring MPS after 2-7h of ingestion only
well we know have clear data showing that as much as 100g of protein from a single ingestion of milk protein powder(not even a whole food) keeps MPS rates above baseline for at least 10h straight, so he was completely wrong about this
he also never admitted to BCAA's being useless despite plenty of evidence showing they are worse than actual protein, he simply says they "have a place" in one's supplementation lol
he still clings to this metabolic damage bullshit because it's what his "coaching" depends on, just like that israelite mike israetel clings on his "deloads" and "overreaching" shit based on no evidence, their money depends on them supporting these concepts
he is changing his tune on the volume question, but not much, never admitting he was wrong about anything
the problem is not that he was wrong but that he spoke with such degree of confidence and arrogance using his PhD in protein metabolism as validation for all he said and the science was on his side and that everyone else who disagreed was just an uneducated idiot, if he was wrong about all that what else could he be wrong about now?
people need to stop worshipping these e-celebs
>as much as 100g of protein from a single ingestion of milk protein powder(not even a whole food) keeps MPS rates above baseline for at least 10h straight,
You're as dumb as Norton. That study doesn't disprove anything about MPS caps, the methodology is very flawed:
>proceeds to link a 20+ minute video without using his own words to explain why I'm wrong
not watching that shit
according to the video description a completely different study is being addressed to the one I am referring to
pic relsated, try again lil bro
The study is the one you're talking about, they linked another one by mistake. The video was posted as a source and because I didn't want to go into detail. You can understand why the study is garbage by watching just a few minutes.
>The study is the one you're talking about, they linked another one by mistake
it's not just the link
the description clearly refers to a completely different study using 2 different types of protein with also a completely different objective in mind
>This study investigated the muscle protein synthesis rates in older adults after consuming two different types of meals: an omnivorous meal consisting of lean ground beef and a vegan meal composed solely of plant-based sources. The aim was to understand how these meals affect the body's ability to synthesize muscle protein following the ingestion of a meal containing the different types of protein. This is the first study to compare the anabolic response following the ingestion of a complete omnivorous versus vegan meal.
for that reason I won't even bother to watch it
>I didn't want to go into detail
then you shouldn't have posted
>you can understand why the study is garbage
every study has its imperfections
use your words to tear this study apart, should be easy if it's so garbage
Yes, the description is about the linked study, not the one discussed. My reply was meant for anyone interested so it doesn't matter if you ignore it.
nevermind I watched around 10 minutes of it and this old ass dude is just yapping and yapping without any refutation making mistake after mistake along the way
every point he made is irrelevant and doesn't refute the data which is 100g of milk protein keeps myoPS above baseline even at 12h post ingestion which completely destroys this 20-40g protein per meal cap parroted around by layne norton and other broscientists for the last 20 fricking years
I'll adress what I heard from that idiot so anyone here can see what I mean
>b-but you can't just eat a ton of protein in one meal and grow from it!
no one said that
no one ever said that
only that your muscles CAN benefit from as much as 100g of protein in a single meal for at least 12 hours straight
>they didn't use a fast digesting protein
yeah it's one of the major strengths of this protocol, no whey protein isolate shit which clearly doesn't represent the digestion and metabolism of any whole food protein source
>casein is one of the slowest digesting proteins there is!
they didn't use "casein", they used whey AND casein in the exact same ratios found in milk, it says so in the paper that they used MILK protein, and that's in both the 25g and 100g dosages (not casein like that idiot keeps saying) he also claims that they "only" used 20g in the lower dosage, which is also wrong, it says clearly in the paper that they used 0g as control, 25g as the lower dosage and 100g as the higher dosage, all milk protein, all containing casein AND whey
furthermore, milk protein digests faster than protein found in whole foods like beef as shown by other studies too so who cares
I could go on but this guy is senile as hell and I don't wanna waste any more time on this shit
layne and every other "30g per meal" broscientist was simply fricking wrong
it never made any sense at all for there to be a hard cap at 40g and a soft cap at 25g, it was all based on very acute and whey protein isolate moronic experiments
Your intelligence is showing. I don't know why you decided to watch almost half of it and write a blog about it when you implied you don't have time to waste; you clearly do.
no shame in being wrong, just maybe stay in your lane next time instead of talking shit and spreading misinformation lil bro
THEY GOT IT ALL BLOCKED UP!
Met Layne at a conference once, as soon as the camera turned off he dropped the facade pretty much instantly.
Might be smart but is a massive, insufferable narcissist who will die alone
More narcissist than his videos show? Goddamn, even the videos just ooze narcissim.
Yes
It was years ago and the I don't remember the dialogue exactly but I asked him a question wrt his "professional expertise" (sincerely, at the time I had no idea he was such a flog), and the c**t actually smirked at me and belittled the question instead of just giving an answer.
His Phd was about BCAA's being beneficial, then it turns out they aren't, so think about it.
He is a shill and a grifter as much as Lustig, Fung adn Berg are, just on the other side of nutritional science.
Evidently the guy is a big narcissist, likes attention and cherry picks "meta" studies to confront the other quacks, somehow trying to make you belive that the studies he picked are more based than the studies of the other charlatans. His stances on processed food, seed oils, sugar, artificial sweeteners are displaying his inability to see the consequences that those things have, because he is always about "muh studies" and can't comprehend the real situation.
A lot of his stances were disproven, yet he will not admit ever that he was wrong, because that would hurt his ego, he has a diploma mill Phd, is a roid troony and grifts by shilling "studies" to stay relevant.
The only smart thing I remember he said was that the biological mechanism doesn't always produce the expected outcome, but he likes to forget that when he discusses the "studies" he picked.
When it comes to nutritional studies, I only trust explicit anti-semites at this point.