>make out with girl
>fail to open her bra
>mood ruined
>she ghosts me the next day
How do I fix this? I am already 23, have only slept with one girl and don't know anything about bras or how to open them.
>make out with girl
>fail to open her bra
>mood ruined
>she ghosts me the next day
How do I fix this? I am already 23, have only slept with one girl and don't know anything about bras or how to open them.
Just rip it off her. You do lift, correct?
>not diving in and grabbing her breasts causing her to take her own bra off
Been working for me since the mid 2000s you low T homosexual
Also this
This guy gets it.
t. goin strong since 2002
Someone’s gotta tell ‘em anon
first post best post
there was no need for anything else after this
>make out with a girl
>she tries to remove my underwear but fails
>I leave and ignore her
Seriously would any guy do this? What is wrong with women
It's only awkward if you make it awkward, e.g. by fumbling with the bra for too long and being visibly frustrated (this applies to pretty much everything in life).
I was making out with a girl and thought "I guess at this point I can touch her breasts." I flat out told her I don't know how to take off her bra and she just did it herself. Mood didn't change and it was fun.
If you get more comfortable with a particular partner I guess you could ask her to practice.
kek
>I flat out told her I don't know how to take off her bra and she just did it herself
You must be some 6'3" male model. An average guy would get rejected and thrown out instantly. Vast majority of girls is disgusted by sexual inexperience.
Only if you stutter while saying it, if you tell her and is confident it won't matter, touch grass anon.
I'm like 5'9 or something in a country where the average male height is almost six feet and I'm not particularly good-looking. I just didn't make it awkward or a big deal and that was that.
>Vast majority of girls is disgusted by sexual inexperience.
Yes, but being confident during an erotic encounter by far outweighs the ability to take off a bra in terms of creating a sense of having sexual experience.
Improving confidence is also easier and less dehumanizing than doing lots of dumb shit like practicing taking off bras or practicing kissing in front of a mirror or whatever.
Genuinely, did you pick this up from the internet? Is that where you got this information from? From talking box's of text on the internet? What level of ungodly dumbfrickery do you need to be on to believe that the average guy would get thrown out and ridiculed for not understanding female underwear? More importantly, what makes you think a normal girl would do that? Jesus fricking Christ, Anon, I really hope you just baited me with this because holy fricking shit is what you just said some gobbledeasiatic.
Huh? Girls nowadays have high standards. With social media and tinder they can allow themselves to only go after the best. You get rejected for the smallest things like having an android phone instead of iphone or not having instagram. Do you really think failing to open a bra isn't one of the biggest turn-offs ever?
It's almost impossibly difficult for a normal guy to get a girl into his bedroom already nowadays.
>IFWS family study of 40% sexless young men.png
epic troll attempt bro
I wish I was trolling and I wish an average dude could also manage to get a gf :/
>t.hopeless average dude
You're a moron. You're not going to get kicked out when you're both horny and looking to bang because of a bra unless you act like a huge stuttering, ashamed homosexual.
> I couldn't get off a bra and didn't think anything of it until this dumb fricking thread.
happened to me my first time. she giggled and thought it was cute. and im no male model
>About to have sex with girl
>Kissing, cuddling, laying on bed
>Take off her shirt
>Take off her pants
>Kiss more touch her body
>Undo bra
>it doesnt go right away
>"yeah sorry anon the sex ends here"
do virgins really believe this?
If you already have a girl in your home, in your bedroom or even on bed its almost impossible to frick up the rest
Its called the point of no return
As soon as a girl enters your home, or even enters your bedroom you are literally guaranteed sex morally and legally
>As soon as a girl enters your home, or even enters your bedroom you are literally guaranteed sex morally and legally
What if it is a female friend?
you cant be friends with females if you are a straight man
last girl i did this with said "I don't normally do this with guys that aren't my long term bf"
biggest turn off ever. dick went soft and i drove her home. you're an idiot
a girl that admitted she wasnt a bawd made you soft?
is this a joke im not getting
>admitted shes not a bawd
at no point did I ask her. she said this willingly. you don't say shit like that if you don't do it often. I don't do it either, but at no point in the entire interaction did I even consider saying something that stupid because of some subconscious guilt because I genuinely don't
She was telling you that you were so hot and enjoyed the date so much, that she goes against her usual rules. She was complementing you, you sperg
makes no sense
fricking a girl who doesnt have sex alot is hotter than fricking a bawd
this guy is right. just tell them to take it off
you're a moron, I've been doing it for 15 years and it's never been an issue
>this guy is right. just tell them to take it off
This is the equivalent of pulling the off-switch on a horny girl.
your attention span too short to read my whole post?
Mostly it's bawds (70-80% of women currently) who do this. They want the best dicks to rearrange their guts and any sign of weakness is a cue for them to hop on the next dick.
A woman who actually has feelings for you (rare breeds these days) won't mind something as trivial as this, if anything she will help you take off her bra.
>why do they do this
If you're a typical modern woman you only see men as a benefit (pleasure, money, security) machine, and, as with any other machines, if one isn't functioning properly, it's time to replace it.
Fail to take off her bra = malfunctioning orgasm machine = she won't waste any more time with you.
>A woman who actually has feelings for you (rare breeds these days) won't mind something as trivial as this
lol what? not knowing how to open a bra shows that you're a virgin or almost a virgin. there's no woman who will stick around for that shit.
You're a moron. I'm married and have sex 3-4 times a week and I don't know how to un clip a bra because when I frick my wife she usually isn't wearing a bra to begin with. Same story for my previous gfs. So if this scares a female away it means she's a moron. Just like yourself.
>there's no woman who will stick around for that shit
Because most women today are uncapable of pair bonding and can only see you as a tool for her amusement.
Sure you should be an expert at taking off bras in order to get your dick wet, but no woman who leaves you for something as trivial as this is worth having as a girlfriend anyway (which, again, makes up for most women today).
T. happily married and have had a few sex fumbles, all of which she just giggled and we continued.
It's 100% a situation OP made up in his schizo brain
this is a stupid post but if you're really concerned about it then the obvious answer is to just buy a few different bras and practice opening them. Watch videos on the topic and read how to guides.
wtf, way to out yourselves as virgins you morons. buy a bra to test how to undo it lmao. its just a clasp you dumb fricks. if its any more complicated the woman will just help you anyways
>way to out yourselves as virgins you morons
To whom though? Nobody needs to know. I don't see the problem honestly.
My mom was a real one. When I was like 13-14 she started making me help her do her bras. I thought it was really weird, but when I started pulling girls, I would get the bra off so fast, and I realized that my mom was just making sure I didn't end up a loser.
My suggestion, buy a bra and put it on a wall column or something, and practice taking it off from behind.
>my mom was just making sure I didn't end up a loser
>tfw both mom and dad never taught me anything about girls
>tfw incel now
I hate my parents.
they knew from the beginning that you were ngmi
yea bro, ur an incel because of your parents
grow the frick up you manchild
>parents give you shitty genetics and no nurture
>end up an incel because no girl is attracted to you
>"bro it's your fault you were born this way"
Clown world.
>blaming your parents
Black person tier thinking. You’ll end up in retail or fast food for life
Your parents certainly deserve some blame but the older you get more blame is on you. You are responsible for your own actions. It may be hard to learn socializing and dating but it's possible. What are you doing to improve yourself in that regard?
>You are responsible for your own actions.
Nobody realize this untul early-mid-late 20s. And that time usually it's already late.
t. 30+
sounds like you havent realized it yet either
>What are you doing to improve yourself in that regard?
NTA and i bet he won't answer you but i can tell you right now the answer is "nothing". All the gays on this site and SPECIFICALLY on /adv/ love to b***h and moan when they don't do a single fricking thing to improve their situation. Victim complex to the max.
>"What are you doing to improve yourself in that regard?"
>lift weights and run
>have a IST physique
>skin-care, groom, wear fitting clothes
>try to get a valuable education (computer science)
>invest money and have a decent networth for a student
>cook
>draw
>read books
>hike
>gardening in the summer
>picked up daily meditation a few weeks ago
This is what I have been doing and yet I am still completely invisible to girls because guess what? It's all about looks (genetics).
Don't give up fren
>so much effort into meaningless bullshit
>skipped doing the most important thing
Go out and socialize, you asocial moron. Unless you have a god tier body and face, you will always appear "invisible." Women may comment on you among themselves, but they will never initiate. The most important parts of attracting people are to have initiative and being around them. Most people find long term relationships through their social circles that appear from sharing group activities. Join clubs, do charity work, or do some sort of group athletics.
There isn't a single piece of self improvement that comes close to socializing when it comes to getting a relationship.
I go out a few times per month with some friends to bars and clubs but I am invisible to the girls there. They never give me any signals like they give out to tall handsome men, e.g. eye contact, smiling, hair waving, blushing, touching them accidentally etc.
I feel hopeless and alien.
>no common goal
>no shared interest
>no force pushing you to interact
Bars and clubs are the tinder of 30 years ago, especially if they're a busy one. Women won't go out of their way in a club unless you're very high value just like a dating app. They're basing your value entirely off of appearance rather than a blend of personality and appearance. It's not real socializing. Go volunteer at an animal shelter or Habitat for Humanity or participate in a coed sport and actually talk to people, don't sit there quietly and respond with a quick sentence anytime someone talks to you.
>Go volunteer at an animal shelter or Habitat for Humanity
I did 9 months of mandatory civil service and it's only 45+ years old mentally ill women who volunteer.
>co-ed sports
Tell me a sport that is at least 50/50 and where I can normally participate as a 5'9"manlet and not get mogged into oblivion by Chads, so no volleyball or something.
>climbing
>neighborhood tennis
>combat sports (not directly coed but will be training alongside)
>gymnastics
>dance
>skating roller/ice
>surfing
>shooting
I realize now that you're ESL, so by "join clubs" in my original post, I meant interest groups.
all women participating in these activities do them only because they tag along with their boyfriends
>45+ years old mentally ill women
Sounds perfect for you
>anon sits at home reading, drawing and gardening
>wtf where are all the women
Touch grass (outside your garden)
Add talk to women 5xF to your routine.
of course you're invisible you fricking tard. do you really think a woman is going to approach a man? you are responsible for initiating
My parents taught me nothing about this, literally never ever even talked about women and sex, and I turned out alright
I agree it's shitty - how fricking difficult would it be to talk to your son about this? Imagine having a son and not talking about girls with him? What the frick - but don't let this bring you down nor use it as an excuse
Consider yourself lucky
>Turn 12 and start going to co-ed parties and meeting girls my age
>Mom wants me to learn the ways of girls
>Invites me into her room
>Explains how to caress, hold hands with and kiss a girl, makes me practice on her
Traumatized me, thank god im stupidly mentally sturdy and I was able to learn how to be a man despite being raised by a weird bpd b***h
haha imagine if the sexes were reversed, that would be weird
I've read hundreds of doujins with this exact plot. Based mom (if she's hot)
Whats a doujin? This is serious bro that shit didnt help one Bit
porn in manga form made by independent artists for money
haha shit bro thats gross you should make a greentext for that so we can all be disgusted together haha
literally me
My parents would make fun of me whenever I mentioned a girl I liked at school. They're like petulant children god I hate them so much, glad I never have to see them again.
They saw your jaws were clinically recessed, your pfl and es ratio were both shit, your nct and uee were death tier and your projected height was 5'6".
They knew it was over for you
chadson is real. it was over before it even began.
no self respecting parent talks to their offspring about sex and dating.
Haha your both moronic and your moms a pedo incest freak.
>Ohh no my son will become a loser n rope if he dont know how to open a bra
Stop living in denial
Super hot! I’d be rock hard doing that
>buy a bra
fricking IST never change
Way to really rationalize your abuse there bud.
Yea based anon. My mom helped make sure I knew how to jerk off properly, kiss properly, take off a bra, and find the clitoris. Basically guaranteeing I wouldn’t be a loser. Women can tell that you are missing any of this training.
but a bra and practice
Not spending your middle school years opening bras of girls in your class with one hand, you aint gonna make it
I've slept with over 100 women and I still struggle with those fricking things. Also I never and tendon damage in my hand so makes it hard to
what kind of women do you even sleep with
i cant open them well at all, not one minded so far
just continue foreplay and ask her to do it for you, ideally in a playful matter?
depends on the bra, most of them you can snap open with just one hand.
But some..frick, they need 2 hands and weird twisting and shit.
Luckily for me there’s a large elven population in the state forest close by so I have my pick of naked therefore braless, big bushed, bristly armpitted sylvan bawds
>fricking a civilized woman in 2022
I’d rather frick a farm animal
Leave it on a nd show her it's not an obstacle to tease her. Or just push your hand under it and remove like a top while kissing the uncovering skin. She won't even care about the opening.
If you can't open a girls bra with one hand in a pitch black room in under 3 seconds, you've failed.
This is the gold standard a man needs to attain.
1. Stick index finger between back and clasp in a downward hooking motion.
2. Press thumb and middle finger together with straps going towards each other.
3. ????
4. breasts.
Frick all if it's a front hook. Let them take care of that.
>fail to open her bra
this is nature's way of saying you are too dumb to reproduce
inshallah you should have beaten her for wearing such a complicated bra
Why are you opening her bra in the first place? Just tell that b***h to get naked.
this. some girls won't get naked on the first command, so just repeat yourself with higher volume. Simply do this on an infinite loop until you see her milkers. It's okay if it makes your voice hoarse you won't need it for the sex that you are about to definitely have.
let them take it off, they're expensive and they're not all the same. some of the clasps aren't even in the back, some are in the front. i've never had a girl get annoyed or turned off from having her take it off.
You forgot to crack a joke about it. The problem wasn’t you failing at taking the bra off, it was you making it awkward.
>acting like undoing a bra is akin to cracking a bank safe
if you are dealing with like 4kg of breasts getting the bra off can be hard
The hooks are in the back numbnuts how would tit size affect anything? Have sex
Bras for really big breasts have like six hooks instead of a 2 or 3
Are you trying to get them all at once or something
small breasts are infinitely better than large breasts could ever be.
t. never sucked on big boobas
I don't like large breasts
Well but i bet you forgot to actually do X. Huh, you did X too? Well i bet you forgot about Y. You didnt actually forget about Y. Well then what about ....... (repeat ad infinitum)
oops meant to reply to you
Bra was developed by israelites
Jews and jannys all begin with J
Think about it
It's pretty easy once you get it down. I do it with one hand. If you reach around the girl, place your index finger along the strap on one side of the clasp, put your thumb on the other side of the clasp along the strap, then pinch your finger and thumb together, like you're making the okay gesture. This will fold both sides of the clasp against each other. From here, simply slide your index finger up along your thumb. This unhooks the bra. I got to the point where I could even do it through clothes. I could hug a clothed woman and unhook her bra in one quick motion.
This thread caused me to google one hand bra unclasp
this is the top result
fricking israelites man
wikihow shamelessly trying to boost their ESG score for some more shekels
this happened to me in grade 11. she ghosted me the week after
trick is to do it with one hand, it's much easier that way
you guys know there are front and back opening bras right?
>first time
>not idea how to take her bra off
>just yank it off like a tshirt
>girl chuckles but we still fug
git gud
>used to crossdress in my teens
>would steal bras and panties
>as a result, I can open up a bra one-handed
>first time having sex, the girl thought I was an ultra giga chad because I unhooked her bra one-handed with one swift motion
Feels good sissy bros (am reformed now, haven't xdressed in 5 years).
You should try microwaving that stale pasta with some butter
Post bussy, you bawd.
Can confirm this is a thing. Girl laughed at me when I struggled to decipher this arcane mechanism.
I just tell them, "take off your bra" in a strict voice and tone and then lean back and watch them do it
I usually just order them to get undressed while I enjoy the view. It puts the onus on them to impress me and not the other way around
>be me first time having sex
>girl is more experienced
>makes opening bra a challenge, giggles
>i go in blind bc i have to reach around her
>its absolutely intuitive
>open
>done
those clips are literally designed to be openend by women, including the most stupid women, blind behind their own back all day every day, fast. how can you frick that up?
>those clips are literally designed to be openend by women
lmao, well put anon
opening a bra is like pinching a titi
I was actually really self conscious about this so I bought a bra and put it on a really firm pillow and spent a couple hours practicing on it. It got to a point where I could unhook it one handed without even trying.
Fast forward.
>first time with a girl since then
>bra unhooks from the front
>fail miserably
I just tell them to take it off and they will. If you are making out heavy at that point
>make out with girl
>she attempts to stroke my beard
>looks on with horror as her fingers sink deeper and deeper into the abyss created by my recessed bone structure
>she ghosts me the next day
It's.... Literally this simple
I know I would frick it up if I was with a girl
Literally just Google a picture of bra hooks. One side is a set of loops/rings and the other side is hooks. You just push them apart to open it.
She didn't ghost you because you failed to take it off, she ghosted you because she realised she was being a bawd.
I can do it left handed but not right. Just have to make sure im lying on the right side before I attempt the maneuver.
OP, next time command her to "Take your bra off."
This, basically just take your shirt off and look them in the eye and say "it's time" works perfectly.
>pinch the clasp
>snap yo fingers
>move on to the next b***h
>ez
sometimes she has one of those fort knox bras and then u just roast her for being a prude and tell her daddy doesn't want to see that again
I’ve slept with 10 girls and can never get their bra off. Most chill girls will just giggle and take it off for you. Sounds like the girl you were with was a drama Queen. Who cares bro. Move on.
That was a big point in that short story cat Person that made so many people on here feel insecure.
Oh here is that part
>Wriggling out from under the weight of him and straddling him helped, as did closing her eyes and remembering him kissing her forehead at the 7-Eleven. Encouraged by her progress, she pulled her shirt up over her head. Robert reached up and scooped her breast out of her bra, so that it jutted half in and half out of the cup, and rolled her nipple between his thumb and forefinger. This was uncomfortable, so she leaned forward, pushing herself into his hand. He got the hint and tried to undo her bra, but he couldn’t work the clasp, his evident frustration reminiscent of his struggle with the keys, until at last he said, bossily, “Take that thing off,” and she complied.
>The way he looked at her then was like an exaggerated version of the expression she’d seen on the faces of all the guys she’d been naked with, not that there were that many—six in total, Robert made seven. He looked stunned and stupid with pleasure, like a milk-drunk baby, and she thought that maybe this was what she loved most about sex—a guy revealed like that. Robert showed her more open need than any of the others, even though he was older, and must have seen more breasts, more bodies, than they had—but maybe that was part of it for him, the fact that he was older, and she was young.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/cat-person
Anon, it literally so simple. It’s got several hooks and loops in the back and can be undone if you squeeze and push the together.
Great fitness related thread
How tf do you manage to get ghosted for stupid shit like that?
I could literally spit in the face of most women I've been with and they would still ask me to go out.
Women like when you treat them rough like that. OP's situation is that he is outing himself as a virgin/inexperienced which is very unattractive to women.
an asian guy in high school taught me how to unhook bras through girl's shirts with one hand. you see the bulge where the hook is and just kind of pinch it together and roll it in your fingers. it's super easy to do and very hard to fix. we did it to girls in the hallways and never got in trouble