>NH trains hypertrophy for a decade
>looks like shit, lifts are intermediate
>Thrall trains strength for a decade
>looks amazing, lifts are beyond advanced even when dick skin shredded
NH is a lifetime intermediate larping as a coach and people actually look to him for advice. why? it's not like his advice is good my last straw was when he said in a recent video
>for some people the shoulder can steal work from the chest on bench press and they have big shoulders and small chest
this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard and nobody calls his moronic ideas ever now he's training Allan Thrall who utterly mogs him. i just know at the end of the challenge Allan will look exactly the same or worse and will just lose his strength
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I hate NH and like Alan Thrall but NH looks definitely more aesthetic, but that's what he focuses on unlike Alan.
i refuse to believe anyone finds him more esthetic
as much as I hate NH that pic was cherry picked because you are obviously biased.
I do find NH way more aesthetic than Thrall.
>as much as I hate NH that pic was cherry picked because you are obviously biased.
i jsut went to his ig and picked the most recent full body pic
lol my bad
still it's an unflattering pic
NHbros... is it over?
both look good, thou NH is doing angle/light frauding
That's way too flattering of a pic of mr. can't OHP 155 lbs
>>for some people the shoulder can steal work from the chest on bench press and they have big shoulders and small chest
This is actually true why do you think it is stupid
how could it be true? the shoulder raises the arm vertically how could it steal work from horizontal pressing where it doesn't even do any work?
>how could it be true? the shoulder raises the arm vertically how could it steal work from horizontal pressing where it doesn't even do any work?
Your shoulders are involved in all forms of presses, if you laid down horizontally to press then the should is involved in rotating your humerus in the scapular plane when you press the bar
it's a secondary muscle at best. it's not gonna steal shit and leave you with small pecs lol
if you have extreme cases like Derek MPMD where his delts over power chest so even those he can bench 405, his chest doesn't indicate that he could bench 405
bruh you are moronic and why do you think that derek benches 4pl8
first he does not bench 405. second that wouldn't matter because bench doesn't train shoulders and if he can bench 405 with that chest then his ohp would be even more advanced because he's obviously training his shoulders on a different lift. the reason his physique is fricked up is because he only trains bodybuilder isolation meme exercises and overtrains certain muscles beyond what a natural compound press would be able to do leaving him lopsided and moronic looking
>because bench doesn't train shoulders
Lol
see this guy
his dip and bench are elite tier. when he first touched ohp he could only do intermediate weight. shoulder does frick all on horizontal pressing
His technique is shit
You'd never see a gymbro with delts as big as his ohping a plate for 1rm
his was max is 90kg when he tried maxing out
his bench max was 200kg when he tried maxing out
he only does dip (horizontal press)
>his dip and bench are elite tier. when he first touched ohp he could only do intermediate weight. shoulder does frick all on horizontal pressing
This is a straw man my argument isn't that bench works shoulders equally as much as chest just that it works shoulders. As for zlaat's OHP he did 135lbs for 3x12, that is at least 60% of his 1RM giving him a 225lbs OHP at least which is advanced plus he did this after dips so his shoulder and triceps would be pre exhausted
nope 90kg was his max when he tried maxxing out without training the shoulders (just dips) which is barely intermediate for his weight (110kg). for context he only does dip and his dip is world class, his bench is elite and his ohp is the same as a 1 year lifter. this should prove to you if you're not completely moronic that indeed the shoulder being a muscle whose function is to raise the arm vertically does almost no work in horizontal pressing and there's no way that the should would take over and leave you with a small chest unless you tore 80% of both your pecs and never got them reatached
>first he does not bench 405.
He said he has worked up to one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU-fFi0D8Es
>second that wouldn't matter because bench doesn't train shoulders and if he can bench 405 with that chest then his ohp would be even more advanced because he's obviously training his shoulders on a different lift.
Bench absolutely does work shoulders, even strongmen says close grip bench is one of the best accessories for more volume for and putting mass on the delts.
listen here moron nobody is saying the shoulder does no work on bench it's just nothing significant
He's very stupid, you have to be moronic to take what he says seriously.
>but he uses anime thumbnails
>reddit thrall
vs
>ISThypertrophy
it's almost like each individual is unique and grows muscle at different rates.
NH is a better representation of the average male than the majority of fitness youtubers.
nh does look more aesthetic, prob cause thralls arms are smaller than youd expect on that core
IDK I'd frick NH any day.
>looks like shit
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in 2 years of lifting. (only 1 with barbells) i have either matched or surpassed all his lifts. if you plug his lifts in any calculator with a 210lb bodyweight it will tell you this is an intermediate lifter