I'm not going to write you a thesis to prove common sense facts like that grass is green. Use your head a little.
Diet studies are woefully lacking in details regarding what constitutes a meat eating diet. What this means is that it draws the meat eating cohort from the average person, who eats meat. The average person may qualify for the meat eating group, but they're also not diet conscious and eat like shit. By default, vegetarians and vegans are diet conscious since they are eating a nonstandard diet, so of course they're going to be healthier due to inherently being selective about food.
It shouldn't require much thought on your part to see why this is an issue. A vegan who eats rice and seitan should be compared to an omnivore who eats rice and chicken not to a normalgay who eats tv dinners and McDonald's.
This is a phenotype I commonly see with rich youth. I work as a cashier on the nice, rich, >white
part of town, and Im increasingly seeing these HAWGS with each passing day. They really dont feel disgust in not being able to bathe right or wear tiny cute clothes like normal pretty girls do. I feel so relieved when a skinny b***h walks up to the register in a nice outfit, its like seeing Sanguinius come out of a festering pus crowd of Nurgle troops, glowing in divinity.
Tax money doesn't just pay for their food and all expenses. Tax money pays for them to have a full time carer. They of course hire their spouse or whoever their normal enabler is.
Their enablers get paid, full time, just to enable them. All with your tax dollars.
https://www.mensjournal.com/news/world-record-yosemite-climber-meat-diet >Ehman completed the climb in just four hours and 39 minutes, starting his climb at around 8 a.m. on Oct. 10 and scaling to the top of El Capitan by 12:41 p.m. He beat the previous record-holder, Alex Honnold, by over an hour. Honnold, who was featured in a 2018 Academy Award-winning National Geographic documentary about his quest to perform the first free-solo climb up El Capitan, previously made the climb in five hours and 50 minutes back in 2010. >"His exceptional diet of meat, salt, and water seems to have given him unusual strength and endurance and he took no water or food on this run up the route," the publication writes. "Our local vegetarians were dumbfounded!"
Say that again?
>who was he competing against?
A complete autist obsessed with climbing (Honnold) who's been on every MSM outlet and podcast, introduced as one of the greatest climbers of all time, isn't enough competition? Yeah, I'm sure it's the lack of prize money holding all the other unknown, goyfeeder superclimbers back.
professional implies you get paid. sorry you don't know English.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Keep munching on the goyfeed, estrogenic homosexual. Positioning yourself against real athletic performance with no arguments just because you're addicted to The Current Diet™. Pathetic. And learn punctuation, you absolute moron.
how much money did he earn for this event?
who was he competing against?
>who was he competing against?
A complete autist obsessed with climbing (Honnold) who's been on every MSM outlet and podcast, introduced as one of the greatest climbers of all time, isn't enough competition? Yeah, I'm sure it's the lack of prize money holding all the other unknown, goyfeeder superclimbers back.
ok, so he's not a professional.
The claim that "no pro athlete eats only meat" is a lazy hyperbole and you autists are free to get into a b***hfight over that nitpick if you want.
But it's silly to conclude without further evidence that the difference between Honnold and Ehman is due to diet. Even in non-niche sports like sprinting, genetics trump all. Rock climbers are sufficiently rare that the safest assumption is that Ehman just has superior genetics.
https://i.imgur.com/ha1Cu3U.png
The US government started the carb meme in 1980. Before that everyone knew they were cheap filler food that needed to be supplemented with as much meat and animal fat as possible.
For some reason even athletes fell for the meme.
Deceptive graph. Makes it look like there was a turning point specifically when the low-fat diet recommendations happened, but in fact that's just when the measurement was taken.
You'll find the fatness increase over this time period actually correlates with a host of other obviously suspect factors including sedentary lifestyles, food costs, eating culture and mass production/distribution of processed foods.
Food fundamentally changed. More carbs in general and more processed carbs. Food manufacturers engineered food to fit the guidelines.
See pic related:
https://i.imgur.com/qwhAfXl.png
After the US government decided to create dietary guidelines there was a huge low-fat fad.
The food processing companies started making goyslop designed to fit the guidelines. Pic related.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>More carbs in general and more processed carbs
Also more fats in general and more processed food with fats.
It was more of everything.
Food got cheaper and cheaper. Cheap food also made it cheaper to eat out at restaurants. An entire industry called Fast Food evolved around making it cheaper to eat food someone else prepared. The low-fat fad has been dead for two decades yet obesity rates have not reversed.
Fixating on the carbs alone is moronic because you wind up ignoring all the other important factors.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Fat consumption remained stable in absolute amounts. Fat as a percentage of the diet declined.
That's what happens when you tell people to eat a low-fat diet.
7 months ago
Anonymous
By very slight amounts, which aren't even well-correlated with obesity increases except in your incompetently presented graphs.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's not a mystery.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a CICO homosexual of course there's more to the story than raw calories. I'm against morons like you fixated on carbs and the USDA food pyramid shit to the exclusion of everything else, to the point that you spam fallacious nonsense that's just as bad.
7 months ago
Professional Spaniard
CICO proven a israeli pseudoscience once again. I'm saving the picture for future posting.
7 months ago
Anonymous
cico is the only way to lose weight. co is very complicated but I wouldn't expect you to be able to comprehend that.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/highfat-diet-decreases-energy-expenditure-and-expression-of-genes-controlling-lipid-metabolism-mitochondrial-function-and-skeletal-system-development-in-the-adipose-tissue-along-with-increased-expression-of-extracellular-matrix-remodelling-and-inflammationrelated-genes/BABB921BAE4A518D1B1CDC6A2FA2E769 >HFD-fed mice exhibited obesity, insulin resistance, dyslipidaemia and adipose collagen accumulation, along with higher levels of plasma leptin, resistin and plasminogen activator inhibitor type 1, although there were no significant differences in plasma cytokine levels. Energy intake was similar in the two diet groups owing to lower food intake in the HFD group; however, energy expenditure was also lower in the HFD group than in the LFD group. Microarray analysis revealed that genes related to lipolysis, fatty acid metabolism, mitochondrial energy transduction, oxidation–reduction, insulin sensitivity and skeletal system development were down-regulated in HFD-fed mice, and genes associated with extracellular matrix (ECM) components, ECM remodelling and inflammation were up-regulated.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>See pic related:
https://i.imgur.com/qwhAfXl.png
After the US government decided to create dietary guidelines there was a huge low-fat fad.
The food processing companies started making goyslop designed to fit the guidelines. Pic related. >proxy
The data actually points to lack of fiber as the problem, twisted to be about carbs because hating on carbs is the current fad (the way hating on fat was the fad in the 80s).
The two reasons obesity exploded are:
1. Government guidelines
2. Sugar industry advertising
Of course the sugar industry probably had a hand in the guidelines.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong. Nobody follows the guidelines. Obesity skyrocketed because of apathy and inner unhappinesses due to rapid increases in availability of food, technology and quality of life, leading to a decrease in work ethic and drive
7 months ago
Anonymous
They did follow the guidelines. As you can see in pic related here:
https://i.imgur.com/sdpRJGg.jpg
People did change what they ate. More carbs. This happened due to low-fat diet advice.
Carbs cause obesity. The obesity epidemic is surely caused by the proven increase in carb consumption.
And also pic related I am posting right now.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That chart literally disproves your claim. The difference is menial and not in lone with recommendations
>fitness isn't important when free climbing El Capitan in record-destroying pace
This is your brain on carbs, everyone. I want everyone to remember this post when you read someone shilling carbs
>Entering his fourth NFL season at age 24, however, Bosa’s diet looks much different. >He told The Athletic that his eating routine in the morning now mostly consists of fruit juices, followed by egg-white frittatas with ground bison, turkey bacon and vegetables. Bosa then eats a meal about every three hours, chowing mostly fish and salad throughout the day -- from salmon to tuna to grouper and sea bass. >Fruit juices, vegetables >No carbs
Stan graciously did a lift that a natty could do. It's low weight with a trap bar and they are competing for reps.
Nobody actually thinks Shawn Baker frauds. This is an accusation uniquely made by vegans. Even vegans know they are lying.
7 months ago
Anonymous
take the average natty gymcel who has been lifting for 20 years, put him against another gymcel who has been lifting for 20 years on gear, and what will the strength difference be?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>20+ reps
They're doing cardio.
7 months ago
Anonymous
oh, ok, nevermind then.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>lifting for 20 years on gear
trick question, the frauds heart wouldnt last 10
7 months ago
Anonymous
that's not how it works. there's plenty of old bodybuilders.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Tbh I reckon I could do those reps and I'm a natty. Also carrying a lot less muscle than both guys.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Ftfy
7 months ago
Anonymous
Has anyone other than vegans ever said Shawn Baker isn't natty?
He looks natty and his lifts are natty. I don't see why people say otherwise other than slander because he eats meat.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a vegan.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Okay then just show me your real identity and I will believe you. Otherwise you'll have to find someone else to use as a proxy for your accusation.
Nobody makes that accusation because it's so obvious that he is natty.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not vegan and he's not natty.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Okay just go ahead and say that with your real identity.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>dox yourself on an anonymous forum
go home.
[...]
7 months ago
Anonymous
Right. Anonymous posts are meaningless. Vegans post here and lie constantly.
There's no reason to accuse Shawn Baker other than slander. He looks natty. His lifts are natty. What's the basis for accusations?
People (vegans/leftists) simply don't like the diet he advocates and they think slander is a way to make his message less impactful.
7 months ago
Anonymous
no, you don't belong here and you will never fit in.
>beef salesman
Yeah those cattle ranchers have so much secret hidden power.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Are you trying to make a point or pivot, I can't tell. Shawn baker sells beef. He also sells supplements.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I was mocking the stupidity of your post.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Comparative analysis isn't a valid method of determining what scientifically correct. But you do you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So your point is what, that since large corporations push refined food products, we should instead listen to doctors who have lost their license because of ethics violations, who also happen to sell the food they promote as the staple of the diet?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>we should instead listen to doctors who have lost their license because of ethics violations
Yes.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Agree, Baker is a charlatan
7 months ago
Anonymous
>don't get the reply you want >pretend the reply says something else
Kek.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Go die in a ditch in odesa, dumb zigger troll
7 months ago
Anonymous
>supports the American medical system >supports the war in Ukraine >wants people to stop eating meat
It's like a parody but I know you're serious.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm against israeli subversion, yes, and i'm not anti meat either, i'm just anti grifters like baker and bart kay
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I am not a cookie cutter cliche
I think you are overestimating the pol IQ ITT a tad bit too much.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Doctor tries to keep his patients healthy instead of pushing needless surgeries on them >this is deemed medical malpractice and he loses his license.
This is kafka levels of tyranny and mindfrickery. The whole system is subverted.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They have been doing the same thing to doctors who treated patients for COVID. They were supposed to let the patients become hypoxic, go to the hospital, get midazolam and morphine, be put on a ventilator, and then die. Doctors who treated people with zinc, vitamin d, and ivermectin to prevent them from getting severe illness are still fighting to keep their medical licenses. This is despite these doctors having provably better patient outcomes.
America still recommends the poison injections for 6 month old babies.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The hospital is incentivized 40k per victim to put them on remdesivir (kidney failure) and ventilate them for covid.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>This is despite these doctors having provably better patient outcomes
Have a source? I'm on your side but I'd like to have data on hand.
7 months ago
Anonymous
For example Dr Meryl Nass
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/press-release/maine-board-licensure-in-medicine-suddenly-withdraws-misinformation-allegations-against-dr-meryl-nass/
Dr John Litell has also faced backlash but I don't think they have gone after his medical license.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Interesting, thank you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You missed the part where he tried to get them on his meme diet to sell them beef under the table to "help" them and lied on and did fake studies on carnivore dieters,
7 months ago
Anonymous
>cure diseases >anger the medical system
Why do leftists post here?
7 months ago
Anonymous
7 months ago
Anonymous
posts like these are deleted off the subreddits too. if you have any adverse side effects from this deficient diet you're shunned.
7 months ago
Anonymous
i used to know a dude who had feces surgically removed from his colon after going full ketard
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I totally know this guy frfr no cap! >meat is sus af ong! Heckin vegarinos are straight bussin! >antinutrients slap! Bioavailability is cap
7 months ago
Anonymous
no, carnivore is a meme. most of us against the diet eat meat. we tried the diet and it was shit.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Funny. Carnivore diet fixed my lifelong problems with stomach problems. I guess some people are just built different.
7 months ago
Anonymous
yeah you're a genetic dead end that was eating such terrible slop that a deficient diet is an upgrade for you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>natural human diet for millions of years
vs >food to raise an empire of slaves in perpetual poor health
You are a born subhuman slave
7 months ago
Anonymous
>natural human diet for millions of years
[citation needed] >food to raise an empire of slaves in perpetual poor health
I don't eat slop and my health is great.
7 months ago
Anonymous
carnivore was the natural human diet for millions of years >what is fruit >what are wild roots and tubers
its honestly really funny to me that every carnitard is so convinced that carnivore isnt moronic, and its because you all were such fat fricks that even a meme diet deficient in proper macronutrients pushed by fitnessgram shills caused you to lose a little weight. therefore everyone is wrong right? lmao. quit trying to pretend that humans havent been thriving off carbohydrates from whole foods in addition to fats and proteins. >t. 10-12%bodyfat whole life with 200-300+ g of carbs daily
ill eagerly await the fat cope
You are moronic. What is makes more sense for the planets apex predator to eat, undeveloped, nutritionally sparse, hard to attain plant foods. Or abundant animal foods. It was only with the discovery of agriculture that plant food as the stable of the diet become possible. However it never became optimal.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>What is makes more sense for the planets apex predator to eat, undeveloped, nutritionally sparse, hard to attain plant foods.
Why do grizzly bears eat sedge grass?
Game wasn't as abundant as you imagine and isn't as easily obtained as plants. Especially when you are sexually dimorphic role-specializing humans where women have to devote substantial, but hardly all of their time to bearing and raising children. Surveys of real hunter-gatherers point to diets varying widely and being heavily dependent on the specific resources of the area. Some are dominated by game animals others by locally abundant plants. Humans have always been omnivores, like bears. But where bears evolved from an order literally called Carnivora, humans evolved from primates which were originally tree-dwelling plant/fruit eaters.
Humans have only been evolving with agriculture for 10,000 years. So it's likely our adaptations to the change come with downsides-- but we do have adaptations (adults producing lactase, for example). It's silly to ignore them. Sherpas have been living at high elevations for 10,000 years. They are well-adapted to their environment by now, why would they worry about altitude sickness that affects lowlanders?
7 months ago
Anonymous
who cares if we selectively bred crops?
how do you know what ancient people did?
youre trying to convince somebody that they are wrong or simply misled. thats already hard enough. now add in the moronation that excess body fat has on the brain, and excess dietary fat that carnivore also adds... well here we are today. we have literal overweight/obese cattle morons losing like 50lbs and feeling somewhat better, and then they go and infest the internet with their snake oil pitch. PROTIP: every social media "carnivore" that makes money off of shilling it eats carbs off-camera, gauranteed. and sadly every "carnivore" that took them seriously, takes it seriously. like cattle. >>moo moo i cant eat carbs because le heckin fitnessgram balding carnivore primal man told me so
7 months ago
Anonymous
Danny Roddy talked about this as well. he was early into zerocarb, before Baker and before it became mainstream. he would frequent their forums and try to help people and the head guy, can't remember his name but it's the skinny homie that runs (so any homie?) and has been on a few podcasts, anyways he told Danny that he needed to chill out and that most of these people aren't strict on their diet.
he ended up having health problems, like all carnivores, and moved on from the diet.
but you're probably right. maybe the people reading it looking for advice will ask the questions that carnivores can't answer and avoid fricking up their life.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah these guys are a lost cause, your urine smelling like rotten eggs should be a major red flag but no, it just means that they aren't doing it enough, gotta fast for 72 hours bro! until they lose muscle and have to wear a sweater under a hoodie on a summer day while shitting liquids once every three days, will they then realize that they messed up big time.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Look at all that soya aggression.
7 months ago
Anonymous
thats the best study youre pulling out? didnt even read it mate. its not even applicable to me. >t. 10-12% bodyfat my whole fricking life with 300g carbs daily
quit trying to kill people with your meme diet. you, vegans, ketolards, and all other meme dieters make me fricking sick.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I just see keto carnivore spam. Why mention vegans when like 1 posts in spam threads made by the Sv3rige Shawn Baker Joe Rogan fanboy?
7 months ago
Anonymous
because if youre even remotely critical of carnitards and ketolards they have a tendencncy to assume you must be vegan. these people are so blinded by their radical shit meme diet that any criticism must come from the other end of the extreme, where they also dwell. the excess body fat and dietary fat has taken such a toll that they forget there are millions of in-shape people who dont buy into fads and want to actually guide people the right way.
7 months ago
Anonymous
who cares if we selectively bred crops?
how do you know what ancient people did?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Literal physical history says plants. Neolithic feces contain upwards of 100 grams of fiber.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>fiber is so indigestible that a million years later it still hasn't decayed
And people willingly put this inside their bodies?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't eat a lot of fiber. I'm just telling you what the science says
7 months ago
Anonymous
Science says humans ate exclusively meat for 2 million years.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I just showed that it doesn't but okay
7 months ago
Anonymous
>one turd >"the science"
Humans are evolved from apex predators who ate exclusively meat for 2 million years.
This article literally doesn't support your position. You are free free to research coprolites and their makeup to see that humans have always eaten plants, as your article says
7 months ago
Anonymous
>This article literally doesn't support your position. You are free free to research coprolites and their makeup to see that humans have always eaten plants, as your article says
7 months ago
Anonymous
Oh okay its you. Thanks for posting the sane pic as last time so I know you dotn argue in good faith and can stop wasting my time >inb4 ꜱoy meme
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it is hypothesized >could have been >associated with >possible >generous estimates
Nobody ever reads the studies they post. Ever. Its ridiculous.
7 months ago
Anonymous
sterile guts increase longevity.
regular bowel movements reduce endotoxin buildup in the blood stream.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Meat increases longevity.
7 months ago
Anonymous
that's nice. but it's not relevant to the conversation.
perhaps you'd like to show me a longevity study of meat consumers segregated by their fiber intake?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Look guys he's LARPing again. Go kiss Black person toes with your boomer YouTubers.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>abnormal body chemistry requires abnormal treatment
Yes. Glad it helped you by the way.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>It isn't big pharma conspiring with doctors, it's those damn cattle ranchers!!
Love the projection, keep it coming.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's not how the term projection is used but okay
7 months ago
Anonymous
>gaslighting; pretense to intellectual superiority
love it, keep it coming.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's not how you use those terms either ironically. You have a persecution/combative complex. "Keep it coming" though I guess.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>psychologizing
Keep it coming israelite. Stay boiling mad that people aren't falling for your pharma+vegan scam.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Hope life gets better for you mate. Your the only one spurting expletives. I'm going to leave the thread now, but you'll still reply calling me a like or a vegan or some such nonsense, feel free, I won't see it.
>everyone credible thinks he is natty
Tards like you are not credible. That old childless gay foot doctor has never agreed to take test to see is he on gear. Keep that in your dumb fricking "mind" you mindless lemming.
Shawn Baker has repeatedly agreed to get drug tested. He offered to go on a full athletic drug testing regimen. Vegans backed out because they know it will prove he is natty and they want to keep lying about him.
So to be clear even the people saying he isn't natty actually think he is natty.
This shit is hilarious because this shows he's clearly roiding. He says he's cutting but he's the same bf in both pictures. Even so cutting wouldn't cause you to lost that much muscle. And you can see the gyno in his pic. Right pic is him off cycle.
It's for sure a photoshop. The way you behave proves it.
Honest people don't hide sources.
>no steroids ever for me
L M A O
Shawn Baker is lifetime natty.
This shit is hilarious because this shows he's clearly roiding. He says he's cutting but he's the same bf in both pictures. Even so cutting wouldn't cause you to lost that much muscle. And you can see the gyno in his pic. Right pic is him off cycle.
Yeah just like O'Hearn is lifetime natty also. If someone claims they're natty they 100 percent are because there's no way they'd ever lie, especially when they're trying to sell you something
>All pro athletes are on PEDs anyway so they have a lot of leeway with diet compared to normal people.
Pro athletes are:
a) competing against other pro athletes in athletic events
b) competing against regular people for mires
Even athletes are realizing that meat is best for performance.
to be fair when i played sports i felt great even on low carb diets because i was lean and light as frick @ 170lbs
i didn't need my muscles to produce maximum potential force in order to run and jump
after i started lifting for size and strength, i noticed my performance at the gym was shit if i ever underdosed my carbs
leaner athletes simply don't need as much carb-load fulfillment as a percentage of 100% as hardcore lifters do
being at 35% theoretical carb load is fine for a football player because all he's doing is running and jumping, both of which have diminishing returns after a certain point of fulfillment
meanwhile a bodybuilder at 35% load is going to be weak as frick and feel like shit because he's used to having his best lifts at 70%+
this has been my experience with carbs and athletic performance
lifting and running are different activities
the benefit both activities receive from the varying levels of carb (glucose, ATP) fulfillment differs drastically
a runner can have an excellent session, graded through 10, with a lower percentage carb load than a powerlifter
there are no metrics as far as i know relating to carb load fulfillment, and so the concepts i am discussing are largely theoretical, backed by anecdote
Based. Thinking about it evolutionarily. Hunter gatherers that lived primarily on meat needed endurance but very rarely had to lift heavy loads of weight. However the grain eating peasants that built monuments, that fought in wars wearing armour, carrying heavy spears and swords and shields, rowing galleys e.c.t required increased muscle mass and increased strength to lift heavy things that a heavy carb diet allowed. Meat is essential for nutrition. However for the purpose of body building where at most the human body can gain 10+ grams of muscle per day protein requirements can be met with minimal meat. But Carb consumption is required to have the energy to stimulate the muscles properly to grow.
TL;DR
Meat& fat for endurance
Meat & Carbs for Strength.
Not really, the young pro athletes will eat candy but when they are 18-24 their body can take it but most usually follow strict diets once they get older, esp the veterans.
>It doesn't matter when You're at that level
of gear abuse, besides - who in their right mighd would believe pro athletes when they are 100% cases habitual liars xD ?
Meat is based. Carbs are slave food. Future mr olympias and powershitters and endurance runners will look back at carb loading and laugh as they smash records
The US government started the carb meme in 1980. Before that everyone knew they were cheap filler food that needed to be supplemented with as much meat and animal fat as possible.
this doesn't match your first graph homosexual. kys. >chinks modernize >eat more fat >get fat
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7694029/
too many calories makes you fat, moron
Pic related. >same calories >identical food pellets >powdered vs unpowdered >different body composition
Food structure alone caues obesity. In particular powdered or liquid carbs cause obesity due to elevating insulin.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>mice
Black person shut the frick up. this is pathetic.
https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)18864-2/fulltext >Excess dietary fat leads to greater fat accumulation than does excess dietary carbohydrate >Carbohydrate 75-85% >Fat 90-95%
7 months ago
Anonymous
Do the laws of physics not apply to mice?
7 months ago
Anonymous
have more studies in humans you fricking idiot.
https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)29373-9/fulltext >On a HC diet, the subjects who had a higher positive CHO balance on day 15 while they were inactive gained less fat mass during 4 y, a predictive effect independent of SI. As suggested in rodents, the capacity to expand the glycogen pool might reduce energy intake and protect against fat and weight gain.
https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)05651-4/fulltext >The diets induced changes in 1) body weight: −2.5 ± 2.8 kg (P < 0.01) and −1.7 ± 3.1 kg (P < 0.05) and 2) fasting plasma triacylglycerols: 0.0 ± 0.4 mmol/L (NS) and −0.3 ± 0.3 mmol/L (P < 0.05) for the high-carbohydrate and the low-carbohydrate diets, respectively
7 months ago
Anonymous
why can't he respond?
7 months ago
Anonymous
what do you gain from posting the same images in an attempt to spread misinformation all the time?
>When the frick did we ever have a Carb Fad?
1970s to 1990s, aka when people were actually skinny. Low carb started around the mid to late 90s and people became obese pretty fricking quickly on it.
You know, low fat high carb, chicken, rice broccoli diets, that kind of thing. Of course, low fat diets are nothing new, they have been the norm until after ww2 simply because meat was leaner back then.
hunter gatherers are still around, and they still eat the same diet they always have, tubers (65%) honey (15%) and any game they can catch makes up the rest. All meat 'Ancestral diets' are a fantasy
>hunter gatherers are still around, and they still eat the same diet they always have, tubers (65%) honey (15%) and any game they can catch makes up the rest
lmao, that's vegtard fiction. Every single tribe that is recently contacted gets almost all its calories from raw fish or raw meat.
The only "tribes" that may do this shit are the ones living like two miles from a big city and getting most of their food from charity organizations.
Those are the "tribals hunter-gatherers" that you see in TV documentaries. It's all a big hoax.
it's not good for anybody, but it's easier than learning about nutrition so fatties do better with it.
just like how a vegan diet is better than a standard diet, but it's still deficient.
If you think NFL players don't eat a frickton of carbs you're completely moronic. We shit out like 5 NFL players per year and not a single one was ever low carb. GF was a wimminz swim coach and there was not one single low carb athlete there either. These people are fricking insane.
>If you think NFL players don't eat a frickton of carbs you're completely moronic. We shit out like 5 NFL players per year and not a single one was ever low carb. GF was a wimminz swim coach and there was not one single low carb athlete there either. These people are fricking insane.
Shut the frick up
Carb the frick up, chuds!
she won't live long.
Good.
c**t
Probably 3% of her calories from meat. So technically a meat-eater by nutritional science standards.
This is exactly why those vegan "studies" are full of shit.
As always, no proof of ridiculous claims, just reactive dogma.
I'm not going to write you a thesis to prove common sense facts like that grass is green. Use your head a little.
Diet studies are woefully lacking in details regarding what constitutes a meat eating diet. What this means is that it draws the meat eating cohort from the average person, who eats meat. The average person may qualify for the meat eating group, but they're also not diet conscious and eat like shit. By default, vegetarians and vegans are diet conscious since they are eating a nonstandard diet, so of course they're going to be healthier due to inherently being selective about food.
It shouldn't require much thought on your part to see why this is an issue. A vegan who eats rice and seitan should be compared to an omnivore who eats rice and chicken not to a normalgay who eats tv dinners and McDonald's.
Frick disgusting
Nightmare fuel for my cut, thanks
was that a fricking potato sandwich?
Possibly a fried mozzarella sandwich
She probably only gets up and moves around to eat.
I like that she most likely didn't eat the only healthy stuff which was potatoes and some peas and greens.
Insane eyes, unbearable
Disgusting
That stupid head dance was her whole workout for the day
That's only her breakfast, where's the rest of the video?
Fat people finding pleasure in eating and overreacting is one of the most gross things in the world
This is a phenotype I commonly see with rich youth. I work as a cashier on the nice, rich,
>white
part of town, and Im increasingly seeing these HAWGS with each passing day. They really dont feel disgust in not being able to bathe right or wear tiny cute clothes like normal pretty girls do. I feel so relieved when a skinny b***h walks up to the register in a nice outfit, its like seeing Sanguinius come out of a festering pus crowd of Nurgle troops, glowing in divinity.
Man, how the FRICK do these fat homosexuals afford all this shit? Don't tell me it's my fricking tax money.
atta goy
Tax money doesn't just pay for their food and all expenses. Tax money pays for them to have a full time carer. They of course hire their spouse or whoever their normal enabler is.
Their enablers get paid, full time, just to enable them. All with your tax dollars.
>she winked at me
People with small foreheads are not to be trusted
They also drink chocolate milk after rigorous training sessions thoughever. No troll
>drinking chocolate milk
LMAO. Probably skim, too.
The government guidelines ruined American nutrition on every level including in athletics.
Nice to see the carb myth is finally being dispelled.
>athletes do not have good nutrition
Post body.
Pic related is me. As you can tell I am super athletic because of all the carbs I eat to fuel my athletic performance.
weird face but wood
>fruit bad
>carrot bad
I swear Americans are stupid as shit, glad the chinks are taking over
No successful pro athlete eats low carb.
https://www.mensjournal.com/news/world-record-yosemite-climber-meat-diet
>Ehman completed the climb in just four hours and 39 minutes, starting his climb at around 8 a.m. on Oct. 10 and scaling to the top of El Capitan by 12:41 p.m. He beat the previous record-holder, Alex Honnold, by over an hour. Honnold, who was featured in a 2018 Academy Award-winning National Geographic documentary about his quest to perform the first free-solo climb up El Capitan, previously made the climb in five hours and 50 minutes back in 2010.
>"His exceptional diet of meat, salt, and water seems to have given him unusual strength and endurance and he took no water or food on this run up the route," the publication writes. "Our local vegetarians were dumbfounded!"
Say that again?
how much money did he earn for this event?
who was he competing against?
>who was he competing against?
A complete autist obsessed with climbing (Honnold) who's been on every MSM outlet and podcast, introduced as one of the greatest climbers of all time, isn't enough competition? Yeah, I'm sure it's the lack of prize money holding all the other unknown, goyfeeder superclimbers back.
ok, so he's not a professional.
Kek. You're delusional.
professional implies you get paid. sorry you don't know English.
Keep munching on the goyfeed, estrogenic homosexual. Positioning yourself against real athletic performance with no arguments just because you're addicted to The Current Diet™. Pathetic. And learn punctuation, you absolute moron.
honnold is literally the face of badass climbers with no fear.
The claim that "no pro athlete eats only meat" is a lazy hyperbole and you autists are free to get into a b***hfight over that nitpick if you want.
But it's silly to conclude without further evidence that the difference between Honnold and Ehman is due to diet. Even in non-niche sports like sprinting, genetics trump all. Rock climbers are sufficiently rare that the safest assumption is that Ehman just has superior genetics.
Deceptive graph. Makes it look like there was a turning point specifically when the low-fat diet recommendations happened, but in fact that's just when the measurement was taken.
You'll find the fatness increase over this time period actually correlates with a host of other obviously suspect factors including sedentary lifestyles, food costs, eating culture and mass production/distribution of processed foods.
People did change what they ate. More carbs. This happened due to low-fat diet advice.
Carbs cause obesity. The obesity epidemic is surely caused by the proven increase in carb consumption.
Wrong. Food got cheaper and activity rates declined. People ate more and burned less. None of your graphs refute this.
Food fundamentally changed. More carbs in general and more processed carbs. Food manufacturers engineered food to fit the guidelines.
See pic related:
>More carbs in general and more processed carbs
Also more fats in general and more processed food with fats.
It was more of everything.
Food got cheaper and cheaper. Cheap food also made it cheaper to eat out at restaurants. An entire industry called Fast Food evolved around making it cheaper to eat food someone else prepared. The low-fat fad has been dead for two decades yet obesity rates have not reversed.
Fixating on the carbs alone is moronic because you wind up ignoring all the other important factors.
Fat consumption remained stable in absolute amounts. Fat as a percentage of the diet declined.
That's what happens when you tell people to eat a low-fat diet.
By very slight amounts, which aren't even well-correlated with obesity increases except in your incompetently presented graphs.
It's not a mystery.
I'm not a CICO homosexual of course there's more to the story than raw calories. I'm against morons like you fixated on carbs and the USDA food pyramid shit to the exclusion of everything else, to the point that you spam fallacious nonsense that's just as bad.
CICO proven a israeli pseudoscience once again. I'm saving the picture for future posting.
cico is the only way to lose weight. co is very complicated but I wouldn't expect you to be able to comprehend that.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/highfat-diet-decreases-energy-expenditure-and-expression-of-genes-controlling-lipid-metabolism-mitochondrial-function-and-skeletal-system-development-in-the-adipose-tissue-along-with-increased-expression-of-extracellular-matrix-remodelling-and-inflammationrelated-genes/BABB921BAE4A518D1B1CDC6A2FA2E769
>HFD-fed mice exhibited obesity, insulin resistance, dyslipidaemia and adipose collagen accumulation, along with higher levels of plasma leptin, resistin and plasminogen activator inhibitor type 1, although there were no significant differences in plasma cytokine levels. Energy intake was similar in the two diet groups owing to lower food intake in the HFD group; however, energy expenditure was also lower in the HFD group than in the LFD group. Microarray analysis revealed that genes related to lipolysis, fatty acid metabolism, mitochondrial energy transduction, oxidation–reduction, insulin sensitivity and skeletal system development were down-regulated in HFD-fed mice, and genes associated with extracellular matrix (ECM) components, ECM remodelling and inflammation were up-regulated.
>See pic related:
After the US government decided to create dietary guidelines there was a huge low-fat fad.
The food processing companies started making goyslop designed to fit the guidelines. Pic related.
>proxy
The data actually points to lack of fiber as the problem, twisted to be about carbs because hating on carbs is the current fad (the way hating on fat was the fad in the 80s).
Not defending the low-fat advice, by the way. But you are wrong about it being the major factor in the obesity rates.
The two reasons obesity exploded are:
1. Government guidelines
2. Sugar industry advertising
Of course the sugar industry probably had a hand in the guidelines.
Wrong. Nobody follows the guidelines. Obesity skyrocketed because of apathy and inner unhappinesses due to rapid increases in availability of food, technology and quality of life, leading to a decrease in work ethic and drive
They did follow the guidelines. As you can see in pic related here:
And also pic related I am posting right now.
That chart literally disproves your claim. The difference is menial and not in lone with recommendations
>That chart literally disproves your claim.
bro you can't bring logic into a diet discussion thread, especially when the resident ketolard and vegan schizo are here.
Peak performance is high carb. What you are describing is primarily a feat of skill; fitness plays second fiddle.
>fitness isn't important when free climbing El Capitan in record-destroying pace
This is your brain on carbs, everyone. I want everyone to remember this post when you read someone shilling carbs
tbf climbing is not a high VO2 activity
carbs are only a problem if you have problem with self control and abuse them.
>Entering his fourth NFL season at age 24, however, Bosa’s diet looks much different.
>He told The Athletic that his eating routine in the morning now mostly consists of fruit juices, followed by egg-white frittatas with ground bison, turkey bacon and vegetables. Bosa then eats a meal about every three hours, chowing mostly fish and salad throughout the day -- from salmon to tuna to grouper and sea bass.
>Fruit juices, vegetables
>No carbs
yeah I doubt he's carnivore.
that's about the average IQ of a reporter and a ketolard, so makes sense.
The average IQ of the board is lower than the miniscule amount of carbs that man ate.
Fore it's the Lane Johnson diet
False starting homosexual
Can anyone identify the vegan social media this photoshop is from? Logo is in the top left of pic related.
I too believe photoshopped pictures only vegans post
Delusional if you think hes natty
>looks natty
>lifts are natty
>everyone credible thinks he is natty
Noooo he can't be natty because he eats meat and meat is bad! Nooooooooo!
he lifts the same as stan efferding who has been on gear for years.
Stan graciously did a lift that a natty could do. It's low weight with a trap bar and they are competing for reps.
Nobody actually thinks Shawn Baker frauds. This is an accusation uniquely made by vegans. Even vegans know they are lying.
take the average natty gymcel who has been lifting for 20 years, put him against another gymcel who has been lifting for 20 years on gear, and what will the strength difference be?
>20+ reps
They're doing cardio.
oh, ok, nevermind then.
>lifting for 20 years on gear
trick question, the frauds heart wouldnt last 10
that's not how it works. there's plenty of old bodybuilders.
Tbh I reckon I could do those reps and I'm a natty. Also carrying a lot less muscle than both guys.
Ftfy
Has anyone other than vegans ever said Shawn Baker isn't natty?
He looks natty and his lifts are natty. I don't see why people say otherwise other than slander because he eats meat.
I'm not a vegan.
Okay then just show me your real identity and I will believe you. Otherwise you'll have to find someone else to use as a proxy for your accusation.
Nobody makes that accusation because it's so obvious that he is natty.
I'm not vegan and he's not natty.
Okay just go ahead and say that with your real identity.
>dox yourself on an anonymous forum
go home.
Right. Anonymous posts are meaningless. Vegans post here and lie constantly.
There's no reason to accuse Shawn Baker other than slander. He looks natty. His lifts are natty. What's the basis for accusations?
People (vegans/leftists) simply don't like the diet he advocates and they think slander is a way to make his message less impactful.
no, you don't belong here and you will never fit in.
>beef salesman tells you to only eat beef
>This man is credible
Lol no
>beef salesman
Yeah those cattle ranchers have so much secret hidden power.
Are you trying to make a point or pivot, I can't tell. Shawn baker sells beef. He also sells supplements.
I was mocking the stupidity of your post.
Comparative analysis isn't a valid method of determining what scientifically correct. But you do you.
So your point is what, that since large corporations push refined food products, we should instead listen to doctors who have lost their license because of ethics violations, who also happen to sell the food they promote as the staple of the diet?
>we should instead listen to doctors who have lost their license because of ethics violations
Yes.
Agree, Baker is a charlatan
>don't get the reply you want
>pretend the reply says something else
Kek.
Go die in a ditch in odesa, dumb zigger troll
>supports the American medical system
>supports the war in Ukraine
>wants people to stop eating meat
It's like a parody but I know you're serious.
I'm against israeli subversion, yes, and i'm not anti meat either, i'm just anti grifters like baker and bart kay
>I am not a cookie cutter cliche
I think you are overestimating the pol IQ ITT a tad bit too much.
>Doctor tries to keep his patients healthy instead of pushing needless surgeries on them
>this is deemed medical malpractice and he loses his license.
This is kafka levels of tyranny and mindfrickery. The whole system is subverted.
They have been doing the same thing to doctors who treated patients for COVID. They were supposed to let the patients become hypoxic, go to the hospital, get midazolam and morphine, be put on a ventilator, and then die. Doctors who treated people with zinc, vitamin d, and ivermectin to prevent them from getting severe illness are still fighting to keep their medical licenses. This is despite these doctors having provably better patient outcomes.
America still recommends the poison injections for 6 month old babies.
The hospital is incentivized 40k per victim to put them on remdesivir (kidney failure) and ventilate them for covid.
>This is despite these doctors having provably better patient outcomes
Have a source? I'm on your side but I'd like to have data on hand.
For example Dr Meryl Nass
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/press-release/maine-board-licensure-in-medicine-suddenly-withdraws-misinformation-allegations-against-dr-meryl-nass/
Dr John Litell has also faced backlash but I don't think they have gone after his medical license.
Interesting, thank you.
You missed the part where he tried to get them on his meme diet to sell them beef under the table to "help" them and lied on and did fake studies on carnivore dieters,
>cure diseases
>anger the medical system
Why do leftists post here?
posts like these are deleted off the subreddits too. if you have any adverse side effects from this deficient diet you're shunned.
i used to know a dude who had feces surgically removed from his colon after going full ketard
>I totally know this guy frfr no cap!
>meat is sus af ong! Heckin vegarinos are straight bussin!
>antinutrients slap! Bioavailability is cap
no, carnivore is a meme. most of us against the diet eat meat. we tried the diet and it was shit.
Funny. Carnivore diet fixed my lifelong problems with stomach problems. I guess some people are just built different.
yeah you're a genetic dead end that was eating such terrible slop that a deficient diet is an upgrade for you.
>natural human diet for millions of years
vs
>food to raise an empire of slaves in perpetual poor health
You are a born subhuman slave
>natural human diet for millions of years
[citation needed]
>food to raise an empire of slaves in perpetual poor health
I don't eat slop and my health is great.
carnivore was the natural human diet for millions of years
>what is fruit
>what are wild roots and tubers
its honestly really funny to me that every carnitard is so convinced that carnivore isnt moronic, and its because you all were such fat fricks that even a meme diet deficient in proper macronutrients pushed by fitnessgram shills caused you to lose a little weight. therefore everyone is wrong right? lmao. quit trying to pretend that humans havent been thriving off carbohydrates from whole foods in addition to fats and proteins.
>t. 10-12%bodyfat whole life with 200-300+ g of carbs daily
ill eagerly await the fat cope
https://www.sciencealert.com/fruits-vegetables-before-domestication-photos-genetically-modified-food-natural
You are moronic. What is makes more sense for the planets apex predator to eat, undeveloped, nutritionally sparse, hard to attain plant foods. Or abundant animal foods. It was only with the discovery of agriculture that plant food as the stable of the diet become possible. However it never became optimal.
>What is makes more sense for the planets apex predator to eat, undeveloped, nutritionally sparse, hard to attain plant foods.
Why do grizzly bears eat sedge grass?
Game wasn't as abundant as you imagine and isn't as easily obtained as plants. Especially when you are sexually dimorphic role-specializing humans where women have to devote substantial, but hardly all of their time to bearing and raising children. Surveys of real hunter-gatherers point to diets varying widely and being heavily dependent on the specific resources of the area. Some are dominated by game animals others by locally abundant plants. Humans have always been omnivores, like bears. But where bears evolved from an order literally called Carnivora, humans evolved from primates which were originally tree-dwelling plant/fruit eaters.
Humans have only been evolving with agriculture for 10,000 years. So it's likely our adaptations to the change come with downsides-- but we do have adaptations (adults producing lactase, for example). It's silly to ignore them. Sherpas have been living at high elevations for 10,000 years. They are well-adapted to their environment by now, why would they worry about altitude sickness that affects lowlanders?
youre trying to convince somebody that they are wrong or simply misled. thats already hard enough. now add in the moronation that excess body fat has on the brain, and excess dietary fat that carnivore also adds... well here we are today. we have literal overweight/obese cattle morons losing like 50lbs and feeling somewhat better, and then they go and infest the internet with their snake oil pitch. PROTIP: every social media "carnivore" that makes money off of shilling it eats carbs off-camera, gauranteed. and sadly every "carnivore" that took them seriously, takes it seriously. like cattle.
>>moo moo i cant eat carbs because le heckin fitnessgram balding carnivore primal man told me so
Danny Roddy talked about this as well. he was early into zerocarb, before Baker and before it became mainstream. he would frequent their forums and try to help people and the head guy, can't remember his name but it's the skinny homie that runs (so any homie?) and has been on a few podcasts, anyways he told Danny that he needed to chill out and that most of these people aren't strict on their diet.
he ended up having health problems, like all carnivores, and moved on from the diet.
but you're probably right. maybe the people reading it looking for advice will ask the questions that carnivores can't answer and avoid fricking up their life.
Yeah these guys are a lost cause, your urine smelling like rotten eggs should be a major red flag but no, it just means that they aren't doing it enough, gotta fast for 72 hours bro! until they lose muscle and have to wear a sweater under a hoodie on a summer day while shitting liquids once every three days, will they then realize that they messed up big time.
Look at all that soya aggression.
thats the best study youre pulling out? didnt even read it mate. its not even applicable to me.
>t. 10-12% bodyfat my whole fricking life with 300g carbs daily
quit trying to kill people with your meme diet. you, vegans, ketolards, and all other meme dieters make me fricking sick.
I just see keto carnivore spam. Why mention vegans when like 1 posts in spam threads made by the Sv3rige Shawn Baker Joe Rogan fanboy?
because if youre even remotely critical of carnitards and ketolards they have a tendencncy to assume you must be vegan. these people are so blinded by their radical shit meme diet that any criticism must come from the other end of the extreme, where they also dwell. the excess body fat and dietary fat has taken such a toll that they forget there are millions of in-shape people who dont buy into fads and want to actually guide people the right way.
who cares if we selectively bred crops?
how do you know what ancient people did?
Literal physical history says plants. Neolithic feces contain upwards of 100 grams of fiber.
>fiber is so indigestible that a million years later it still hasn't decayed
And people willingly put this inside their bodies?
I don't eat a lot of fiber. I'm just telling you what the science says
Science says humans ate exclusively meat for 2 million years.
I just showed that it doesn't but okay
>one turd
>"the science"
Humans are evolved from apex predators who ate exclusively meat for 2 million years.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.24247
This article literally doesn't support your position. You are free free to research coprolites and their makeup to see that humans have always eaten plants, as your article says
>This article literally doesn't support your position. You are free free to research coprolites and their makeup to see that humans have always eaten plants, as your article says
Oh okay its you. Thanks for posting the sane pic as last time so I know you dotn argue in good faith and can stop wasting my time
>inb4 ꜱoy meme
>it is hypothesized
>could have been
>associated with
>possible
>generous estimates
Nobody ever reads the studies they post. Ever. Its ridiculous.
sterile guts increase longevity.
regular bowel movements reduce endotoxin buildup in the blood stream.
Meat increases longevity.
that's nice. but it's not relevant to the conversation.
perhaps you'd like to show me a longevity study of meat consumers segregated by their fiber intake?
Look guys he's LARPing again. Go kiss Black person toes with your boomer YouTubers.
>abnormal body chemistry requires abnormal treatment
Yes. Glad it helped you by the way.
>It isn't big pharma conspiring with doctors, it's those damn cattle ranchers!!
Love the projection, keep it coming.
That's not how the term projection is used but okay
>gaslighting; pretense to intellectual superiority
love it, keep it coming.
That's not how you use those terms either ironically. You have a persecution/combative complex. "Keep it coming" though I guess.
>psychologizing
Keep it coming israelite. Stay boiling mad that people aren't falling for your pharma+vegan scam.
Hope life gets better for you mate. Your the only one spurting expletives. I'm going to leave the thread now, but you'll still reply calling me a like or a vegan or some such nonsense, feel free, I won't see it.
>Your
You're
>everyone credible thinks he is natty
Tards like you are not credible. That old childless gay foot doctor has never agreed to take test to see is he on gear. Keep that in your dumb fricking "mind" you mindless lemming.
Shawn Baker has repeatedly agreed to get drug tested. He offered to go on a full athletic drug testing regimen. Vegans backed out because they know it will prove he is natty and they want to keep lying about him.
So to be clear even the people saying he isn't natty actually think he is natty.
>photoshop
he admitted that it's real, cope and seethe.
>no steroids ever for me
L M A O
This shit is hilarious because this shows he's clearly roiding. He says he's cutting but he's the same bf in both pictures. Even so cutting wouldn't cause you to lost that much muscle. And you can see the gyno in his pic. Right pic is him off cycle.
It's for sure a photoshop. The way you behave proves it.
Honest people don't hide sources.
Shawn Baker is lifetime natty.
He's clearly not on steroids.
Yeah just like O'Hearn is lifetime natty also. If someone claims they're natty they 100 percent are because there's no way they'd ever lie, especially when they're trying to sell you something
this
I would say that if someone claims he is natty he is 99% not natty
His lifts are natty. He looks natty. No reason to say otherwise except ꜱoyrage because he eats meat.
He's constantly slandered by vegans.
>if you defend yourself from our accusations it means you're guilty of our accusations
Frick off, struggle session commie.
>ꜱoyrage
you're right, shawn baker is prone to soi rage
i met up with dr shawn baker and fricked him in the ass, AMA
Why don't you respect her pronouns, being trans yourself?
>they call you every name in the book but not a liar
~~*Baker*~~
>claiming natty unprovoked
i am now 100% conviced he is on steroids and there is nothing anybody can say to convince me otherwise
>It's for sure a photoshop.
Proofs?
>33
>looks 45
so this is the power...of keto....
What are you screeching about, leftist?
His delts look natty
He's a roider. If he confirms that the image is real I guarantee you it's a shop.
Shawn Baker is lifetime natty.
oh nononnonno carnisisters i believed that it was photoshop because 1 guy always said it, our response?
What's the source of the photo?
Even the body on the right looks better than you, I bet.
>most efficient fuel for muscle are carbs
>carbs are bad
50 iq post
He's on a low-carb diet.
Reducing carbs made him more athletic. This is opposite of what carb chompers claim.
>3% BF
Nick Bosa is nowhere close to that. All pro athletes are on PEDs anyway so they have a lot of leeway with diet compared to normal people.
Roids don't just magically make you not gain fat, Dyel
Its not magic but they definitely do. There are substances for cutting that stop your body from storing excess energy as fat.
>All pro athletes are on PEDs anyway so they have a lot of leeway with diet compared to normal people.
Pro athletes are:
a) competing against other pro athletes in athletic events
b) competing against regular people for mires
why are you linking twitter posts like they hold any weight in this conversation? do you have any thoughts of your own?
>dr shawn baker and dr shawn baker follow this random homosexual
oh wow
What's random about Dr Tro?
>having an all pro year
he's worse than last year
to be fair when i played sports i felt great even on low carb diets because i was lean and light as frick @ 170lbs
i didn't need my muscles to produce maximum potential force in order to run and jump
after i started lifting for size and strength, i noticed my performance at the gym was shit if i ever underdosed my carbs
leaner athletes simply don't need as much carb-load fulfillment as a percentage of 100% as hardcore lifters do
being at 35% theoretical carb load is fine for a football player because all he's doing is running and jumping, both of which have diminishing returns after a certain point of fulfillment
meanwhile a bodybuilder at 35% load is going to be weak as frick and feel like shit because he's used to having his best lifts at 70%+
this has been my experience with carbs and athletic performance
lifting and running are different activities
the benefit both activities receive from the varying levels of carb (glucose, ATP) fulfillment differs drastically
a runner can have an excellent session, graded through 10, with a lower percentage carb load than a powerlifter
30% runner = 8/10 run, felt good
30% powerlifter = 2/10 lift, felt soft
90% runner = 1/10 run, felt heavy
90% powerlifter = 10/10 lift, felt smooth
there are no metrics as far as i know relating to carb load fulfillment, and so the concepts i am discussing are largely theoretical, backed by anecdote
The truth /fit can't handle
Based. Thinking about it evolutionarily. Hunter gatherers that lived primarily on meat needed endurance but very rarely had to lift heavy loads of weight. However the grain eating peasants that built monuments, that fought in wars wearing armour, carrying heavy spears and swords and shields, rowing galleys e.c.t required increased muscle mass and increased strength to lift heavy things that a heavy carb diet allowed. Meat is essential for nutrition. However for the purpose of body building where at most the human body can gain 10+ grams of muscle per day protein requirements can be met with minimal meat. But Carb consumption is required to have the energy to stimulate the muscles properly to grow.
TL;DR
Meat& fat for endurance
Meat & Carbs for Strength.
CALORIE FORMULA:
GRAMS PER POUND OF LEAN BODY WEIGHT
PROTEIN:
- CHILDREN: 1.0+
- SEDENTARY MINIMUM: 0.5 - 0.75
- WITH ACTIVITY ADEQUATE: 0.75 - 1.0
- WITH ACTIVITY OPTIMAL, HARD GAINERS: 1.0 - 1.5
- MASS MONSTERS, CADIO JUNKIES, VERY HARD GAINERS: 1.5 - 2.0
- CARNIVORES (DERIVE GLYCOGEN FROM PROTEIN): SURPLUS
FAT:
- MINIMUM FOR HEALTH: 0.25
- AVERAGE ACTIVITY 0.5
- HIGH 0.75
- VERY HIGH 1.0+:
1. KETO
2. THOSE WITH VERY HIGH BMR REQUIREMENTS (FOR EXAMPLE STRONGMEN HAVE VERY HIGH ORGAN AND MUSCLE MASS)
3. CARDIO JUNKIES
CARBS: (NEEDED FOR HIGH-INTENSITY ACTIVITY)
- ESSENTIAL CARB: 0-30 GRAMS PER DAY
- SEDENTARY: 0.5 G/LB BW
- LOW VOLUME OF HIGH-INTENSITY ACTIVITY: 1
- MODERATE VOLUME: 2
- HIGH VOLUME: 3
- VERY HIGH VOLUME: 4
Globohomosexual must be seething about this after shilling for plant-based garbage for so long
Pro athletes are genetic freaks. Some eat candy. Some are carnivore. It doesn't matter when You're at that level.
Not really, the young pro athletes will eat candy but when they are 18-24 their body can take it but most usually follow strict diets once they get older, esp the veterans.
>It doesn't matter when You're at that level
of gear abuse, besides - who in their right mighd would believe pro athletes when they are 100% cases habitual liars xD ?
It doesn't matter when you're at that level...of steroid use LOL damn right
IST is so contrarian that they legit think carbs good/protein bad because redditors and normies do high protein/low carb now
I have never once seen that claim made on this board. You seem to know a lot about what is posted on plebbit, maybe it's time for you to head back
what's plebbit
Carbs before the game protein afterwards
Meat is based. Carbs are slave food. Future mr olympias and powershitters and endurance runners will look back at carb loading and laugh as they smash records
Carbs were even popular? I thought low carb was like, the desired diet because Veggies fill better?
The US government started the carb meme in 1980. Before that everyone knew they were cheap filler food that needed to be supplemented with as much meat and animal fat as possible.
For some reason even athletes fell for the meme.
>calories increase
>people get fat
shocking
>calories remain stable
>fatness keeps increasing
>Study of calorie reporting
>accurate
It's US government stats on food availability and consumption
this doesn't match your first graph homosexual. kys.
>chinks modernize
>eat more fat
>get fat
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7694029/
too many calories makes you fat, moron
Calories have nothing to do with obesity.
Pic related.
>same calories
>identical food pellets
>powdered vs unpowdered
>different body composition
Food structure alone caues obesity. In particular powdered or liquid carbs cause obesity due to elevating insulin.
>mice
Black person shut the frick up. this is pathetic.
https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)18864-2/fulltext
>Excess dietary fat leads to greater fat accumulation than does excess dietary carbohydrate
>Carbohydrate 75-85%
>Fat 90-95%
Do the laws of physics not apply to mice?
have more studies in humans you fricking idiot.
https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)29373-9/fulltext
>On a HC diet, the subjects who had a higher positive CHO balance on day 15 while they were inactive gained less fat mass during 4 y, a predictive effect independent of SI. As suggested in rodents, the capacity to expand the glycogen pool might reduce energy intake and protect against fat and weight gain.
https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)05651-4/fulltext
>The diets induced changes in 1) body weight: −2.5 ± 2.8 kg (P < 0.01) and −1.7 ± 3.1 kg (P < 0.05) and 2) fasting plasma triacylglycerols: 0.0 ± 0.4 mmol/L (NS) and −0.3 ± 0.3 mmol/L (P < 0.05) for the high-carbohydrate and the low-carbohydrate diets, respectively
why can't he respond?
what do you gain from posting the same images in an attempt to spread misinformation all the time?
>self-reported
into the trash it goes
its not self reported. any other copes?
now post the rest of the food groups over that period.
Stable calories above maintenance times time equals obesity.
post the source if you're so great
>another Twitter homosexual thread
X is the most free platform on the internet now.
do the one about ryan talbot again
Ryan Talbot NCAA Big 10 champion and zero carb carnivore?
>american hand egg
>athletes
haha, alright buddy, whatever
When the frick did we ever have a Carb Fad?
You must be too young to remember the anti fat phase where they made everything low/no fat and jacked up the auger to try and make up for the taste
After the US government decided to create dietary guidelines there was a huge low-fat fad.
The food processing companies started making goyslop designed to fit the guidelines. Pic related.
What is veganism?
>When the frick did we ever have a Carb Fad?
1970s to 1990s, aka when people were actually skinny. Low carb started around the mid to late 90s and people became obese pretty fricking quickly on it.
You know, low fat high carb, chicken, rice broccoli diets, that kind of thing. Of course, low fat diets are nothing new, they have been the norm until after ww2 simply because meat was leaner back then.
t. oldgay
All roids
Should carbs help some athletes if they're working out for hours?
Mmm I got some meat for Mr bosa if y’all know what I mean haha
It's healthier to eat Department of Agriculture approved high fructose corn syrup
I see carnivores worship africans, eskimos, and mongolians and it gives me the heebie jeebies
inuit and masai have only been a thing for less than 10k years
You are a meat industry shill.
Enjoy your clogged arteries
maybe low carb is only good for obese people trying to lose weight/deal with pre-diabetes/reverse peripheral neuropathy but not a permanent diet?
Humans are descended from apex predators who ate almost entirely meat for 2 million years.
Every human will do best on low-carb. The more human you are the more important it is to stay lowcarb or zerocarb.
hunter gatherers are still around, and they still eat the same diet they always have, tubers (65%) honey (15%) and any game they can catch makes up the rest. All meat 'Ancestral diets' are a fantasy
>hunter gatherers are still around, and they still eat the same diet they always have, tubers (65%) honey (15%) and any game they can catch makes up the rest
lmao, that's vegtard fiction. Every single tribe that is recently contacted gets almost all its calories from raw fish or raw meat.
The only "tribes" that may do this shit are the ones living like two miles from a big city and getting most of their food from charity organizations.
Those are the "tribals hunter-gatherers" that you see in TV documentaries. It's all a big hoax.
stupid ass tripgay.
it's not good for anybody, but it's easier than learning about nutrition so fatties do better with it.
just like how a vegan diet is better than a standard diet, but it's still deficient.
moxyte on suicide watch lmao
Based. No wonder leftists hate Joe Rogan so much. People getting fit is their worst nightmare.
>Based Joe Rogan!!! The Lying Left wants to kill our TRUE President!!!!
You're a gay.
>based Joe Rogan
Change your script moxshyte that bald manlet is shilling athletic greens daily
This is what an athlete looks like chud
Have you heard about the athleticism epidemic?
Americans in 1980 started to eat way more carbs. Of course carbs cause athleticism so Americans became super athletic.
I’m only eating beef jerky and drinking water/coffee and smoking darts (mostly because I hate cooking). What are the potential consequences of this?
If you think NFL players don't eat a frickton of carbs you're completely moronic. We shit out like 5 NFL players per year and not a single one was ever low carb. GF was a wimminz swim coach and there was not one single low carb athlete there either. These people are fricking insane.
>If you think NFL players don't eat a frickton of carbs you're completely moronic. We shit out like 5 NFL players per year and not a single one was ever low carb. GF was a wimminz swim coach and there was not one single low carb athlete there either. These people are fricking insane.