That's why along with weights, you should join an MMA gym. After two years you'd be fit as and be able to fight. The cardio is far superior than doing your own thing at a regular gym as well. Most MMA gyms will have all the weights you need anyway. I wasted years in a commercial gym when I should've just joined a local club.
Your baseline protein needs dont change until you get into your old age or you compete in something.
When you look at optimal protein intake for noobs vs 2-3 years in, the number of grams doesn't change with lean body mass increase. It's around 0.8g/pound of bodyweight for noobs and 0.65g/pound for the 2-3 year experienced group.
It's shown that the elderly have higher protein requirements to build muscle well but your protein requirements also go up if you're doing endurance events or you're cutting severely for something like a prize fight or bodybuilding competition.
If you're not in those 3 camps then stop stressing about protein needs beyond baseline. If you needed 150g per day at the start you'll still need 150g per day 5 years into your training.
Hype is overrated, if you need metal blaring in your ears, smelling salts stuffed up your butthole, 7 different brands of preworkout, and the correct MINDSET to push your reps, you're prolly on a good path towards snapping your shit.
No music, or calm ambience, no stimulants, and a calm, focused demeanor will net you much better results, and keep you from egolifting yourself into a torn rotator.
https://i.imgur.com/XaJkIw2.png
Calisthenic and some cardio is all you need to impress woman and ahead of 98% population that is fat and sick nowadays
The only good repsonses
Other answers are gay and/or moronic
Here's my tip: Any method will work, if you push yourself every time and you're consistent, you'll achieve your goal.
The duality of man.
is moronic tbh. It's not like they are going to get huge muscles. A woman will never be muscular to the point of not looking attractive, assuming she is natty.
You just need to Emiyamaxx bro
No alarm clock only waking up with sheer force of will
Cook all of your own meals, Japanese diet
Daily high jump cardio
Quit your gym and get a part time warehouse job. Get paid to lift instead of paying
Think about swords constantly
Keto is the most shilled diet of the last 2 decade lol. If anything, industry wants you to do keto.
https://i.imgur.com/eh9FuTP.png
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The duality of man.
is moronic tbh. It's not like they are going to get huge muscles. A woman will never be muscular to the point of not looking attractive, assuming she is natty.
>. A woman will never be muscular to the point of not looking attractive, assuming she is natty.
Wrong. Too much corework and you can say bye bye to that hourglass waist. Just one example.
Optimal protein requirements go down slightly the longer you've been lifting. Think about it, nonlifters are supposed to have like 50g a day. A new lifter is maybe gaining 0.5lb of muscle a week so you need to fuel that. But an advanced lifter who can gain 2lb of muscle in a year probably doesn't need that much of a protein surplus. Anyway it's just a theory I had
>A new lifter is maybe gaining 0.5lb of muscle a week so you need to fuel that.
How in the FRICK do people do that? I've done PPL at a caloric surplus for about 5 months now and my lifts have gone up somewhat, but there's no way I've gained anywhere close to 12.5lbs of muscle.
If gender roles were reversed and women were all getting IST to protect their loved ones, I would have no problem being some woman's twink bf getting dommed by them in bed.
>Tfw this sexy as hell glam girl is trying to peg me >Tfw I act indifferent and open bht secretly I want her to pound my brain out
Goddamn it bros so this is how making it feels.
>Box squat is one of the more functional lifts, one of the major concerns with the elderly is being able to stand up from sitting >Deadlifts are essentially meme lift due to the vast difference in leverages across bodytypes skewing starting position more than any other lift >Machines are for absolute homosexuals, you can isolate everything and anything with free weights
are for absolute homosexuals, you can isolate everything and anything with free weights
wrong on this point, cables are phenomenal for switching up tension and ROM, e.g. you cant use DB flyes to stretch the chest to the full ROM since you lose almost all tension at the top of the movement whereas the opposite is true with cables
Seconded on box squats, in addition to being very functional it can engage your legs without exposing your hips to large shear forces. People who've had both hips replaced can box squat as heavy as they are capable without having to worry about possible dislocations or damaging anything. I believe Dave Tate is one of those guys who's had both hips replaced and still Box squats insane weights. Box squats are part of the recommended physiotherapy after a hip replacement.
Most people into fitness are terrible at estimating bodyfat% (obviously everyone not into fitness is even worse at it). Everyone I've met and trained with who thought they were at 10% or even sub-10% body fat was more in the 12-15% range. 12-15% is where a lot of people feel pretty good and strong while feeling kind of lean. Generally everyone I've met who makes it down to 10% has told me that they feel smaller and weaker at 10%. Which also reflects my experience being there. So I'm guessing people hit a low bf% that they still feel good at and assume they've made it to 10%.
Hype is overrated, if you need metal blaring in your ears, smelling salts stuffed up your butthole, 7 different brands of preworkout, and the correct MINDSET to push your reps, you're prolly on a good path towards snapping your shit.
No music, or calm ambience, no stimulants, and a calm, focused demeanor will net you much better results, and keep you from egolifting yourself into a torn rotator.
I listen to music because I like music. Happens to be punk or punk-adjacent most of the time, but that's because I like that music. People who listen to metal are idiots anyways, whether lifting or not, metal is garbage for garbage people.
Calisthenics is too advanced if you have a high fat to muscle ratio and you are a rookie with no form. Start with full body workout and cardio, learn correct form, stance and rep discipline, then proceed to exercising specific muscle groups and keep on cardioing, at this point you have more muscle mass and lower fat, keep on training and cardioing and add more lifts and deadlifts in your routine to get even stronger, then and only then you can progress in pure calisthenics. This journey will take between 2 and 3 years.
Calisthenics is too advanced if you have a high fat to muscle ratio and you are a rookie with no form. Start with full body workout and cardio, learn correct form, stance and rep discipline, then proceed to exercising specific muscle groups and keep on cardioing, at this point you have more muscle mass and lower fat, keep on training and cardioing and add more lifts and deadlifts in your routine to get even stronger, then and only then you can progress in pure calisthenics. This journey will take between 2 and 3 years.
By calisthenics we mean dips, chinups, pullups and leg raises. Nobody is going to do planches and iron crosses for muscle mass lmao
All these
Here is mine.
Once you reach your desired muscle mass there is no need to continue to lift heavy, expect if you want to or it's your job.
Everybody that continues to lift heavy 35+ will have fricked up joints and spine later in life.
95% of your muscle mass can be maintained with calisthenics.
frequency doesn't matter whether you do 10+ sets spread throughout the week or on a single day makes minimal to no difference.
protein is overrated.
variety is a meme, a varied program just makes you mediocre at a lot of things instead of good at a few.
programming makes no difference, most people look roughly the same after two years regardless of whether they overloaded with weight or volume, regardless of which exercises provided the entire body is activated.
secondary and tetiary muscles are a meme, just do more of the same exercise and those become primary when the primary muscles are exhausted due to compensation.
tracking calories is a meme for people with stunted hormonal signaling.
tracking macros is a meme for blind people who don't see obvious health markers in the mirror.
>tracking calories is a meme for people with stunted hormonal signaling.
So just about everyone nowadays.
Tracking calories is the most effective way to control weight, period. Everything else is just a roundabout way to control calories without looking at them directly.
> Everything else is just a roundabout way to control calories without looking at them directly.
Yes. We have an incredibly effective system for balancing calories, and even specific macro and micro nutrients. Trying to limit calories with a dysfunctional diet and metabolism is treating the symptom while ignoring the cause. It isn’t natural for humans to be over 20% body fat and hungry. It isn’t necessary to brute force your way to 15-18% and be hungry all the time, and most people will fail eventually when trying it.
>We have an incredibly effective system for balancing calories, and even specific macro and micro nutrients.
Maybe if you eat like a caveman and have never been exposed to selectioned carbs, let alone modern processed foods that deleted all that shit when you were still a kid.
Never seen anybody who can't even count calories get their physique in order.
true to everything except I think you get more from split frequency (because you wouldn't possibly get 12-16 sets of proper volume in 1 day, compared to 2-3)
and the fact that clearly over 40% of the world has stunted hormonal signaling, so calorie counting is in fact not a meme. to be fair, I would have lost weight without it, just a lot more misery and way more time.
>all you need to "make it" is an ascended ottermode body (pic related) at =<12% bodyfat >achievable with weighted calisthenics (dips, pullups, chinups,leg raises) >you don't need to squat for big legs, leg press/extensions/cycling (uphill sprints) is more than enough as T-Rex legs are ugly as frick
deadlifts are a good leg exercise, they make them strong but are shit for hypertrophy so they don't get big, especially the quads don't really grow much from them, but calves do.
You don't need to be "strong" in the modern day era, all you need is to look good (getting to ascended ottermode will make you stronger than 95% of other men).
Nobody is impressed by your 3pl8 DL beside other powershitters and your ego.
>how exceptional this physique is in actuality
most zoomers go to the gym nowadays and lifting is mainstream as frick, probably like 20-25% of men below 40 look like that or better
Time under tension (with appropriate weight) should be more important than reps. Also I wish more people viewed cardio as training for the heart and lungs, basically improving your work capacity.
I hate fast reps that bounce off the chest, and I hate people who think a 10k run will be enough to burn off that McFrickin burger.
Lifting is much less important than dieting. You can get away with only lifting 1-2 time per week if you eat right. I'm able to get so much more puss at 155 lbs 10% BF then I ever could at 180 lbs 25% BF
most of you wont make it because you're too obsessed with finding obscure knowledge and behaving like an antisocial autist instead of actually living a healthy life and working out for something
>OHP is a better exercise for shoulder health and strength in the long run compared to bench press. >Straight arm pulldowns is a superior back exercise compared to rows, pull-ups, and regular lat pulldowns. >8x3 is ideal in terms of size and strength gains
This worship of some sort of muscleape ideal is a pursuit engaged in by low-IQ morons, usually macho manapes, who can't understand the idea of improving themselves mentally.
Unless you focus on gym shit AFTER you've become widely learned and skilled in a lot of different fields, you're just being a dumb ape who's looked down on by people who aren't roidmonkeys.
>Each large muscle of a bodybuilder represents a language he didn't learn, a poem he didn't read, a fun fact he never memorised.
You can do both, and you don't need to hold off entering a gym until you are 35 and "widely learned." have a nice day, trash.
there isn't actually any point in going to the gym past like a year into training. I just go because I like lifting heavy.
This but two years
>there isn't actually any point in going to the gym past like a year into training
The how I will stay in shape?
I like going to the gym.
I'm still nowhere near 1/2/3/4
This but in the afterlife
That's why along with weights, you should join an MMA gym. After two years you'd be fit as and be able to fight. The cardio is far superior than doing your own thing at a regular gym as well. Most MMA gyms will have all the weights you need anyway. I wasted years in a commercial gym when I should've just joined a local club.
women only become dateable when they're varbies
Your baseline protein needs dont change until you get into your old age or you compete in something.
When you look at optimal protein intake for noobs vs 2-3 years in, the number of grams doesn't change with lean body mass increase. It's around 0.8g/pound of bodyweight for noobs and 0.65g/pound for the 2-3 year experienced group.
It's shown that the elderly have higher protein requirements to build muscle well but your protein requirements also go up if you're doing endurance events or you're cutting severely for something like a prize fight or bodybuilding competition.
If you're not in those 3 camps then stop stressing about protein needs beyond baseline. If you needed 150g per day at the start you'll still need 150g per day 5 years into your training.
The only good repsonses
Other answers are gay and/or moronic
Here's my tip: Any method will work, if you push yourself every time and you're consistent, you'll achieve your goal.
that pic is so brutal its ridiculous
It means that it's all in your head incel.
It's honestly the best virgin vs chad. I snicker at it every time.
Women should only do cardio + light machine movements at high reps
The duality of man.
is moronic tbh. It's not like they are going to get huge muscles. A woman will never be muscular to the point of not looking attractive, assuming she is natty.
>thinks high reps are less hypertrophic than low reps
lmaaaaaooooooooo
i don't think everyone is going to make it
If you can bench 405+ you're on steroids.
If you’re above 15% bf your non bw lifts don’t count.
If you’re below 15% bf your body weight lifts don’t count
Saber is a better IST waifu than Mordred. Actually, almost anybody is
she is so fricking cute why cant she be real
I want to lick and huff her pantyhose clad feet.
i wanna cuddle her so bad
You just need to Emiyamaxx bro
No alarm clock only waking up with sheer force of will
Cook all of your own meals, Japanese diet
Daily high jump cardio
Quit your gym and get a part time warehouse job. Get paid to lift instead of paying
Think about swords constantly
Doin't forget archery for upper back workout and nightly cuckshed meditations.
>Emiyamaxx
>cuckshed meditations
Isn't he a harem lord? I was mad enough when my yuri e-girl anime turned more and more into a harem.
Men only want one thing and its fricking disgusting
pretty sure that’s a fact and not controversial
If saber and mordred have the same body, there is only one logical conclusion.
Ketogenic diets work and there is substantial pressure from large industrial groups to bury this fact.
Keto is the most shilled diet of the last 2 decade lol. If anything, industry wants you to do keto.
>. A woman will never be muscular to the point of not looking attractive, assuming she is natty.
Wrong. Too much corework and you can say bye bye to that hourglass waist. Just one example.
I find the most erotic part of the woman to be the tummy
Optimal protein requirements go down slightly the longer you've been lifting. Think about it, nonlifters are supposed to have like 50g a day. A new lifter is maybe gaining 0.5lb of muscle a week so you need to fuel that. But an advanced lifter who can gain 2lb of muscle in a year probably doesn't need that much of a protein surplus. Anyway it's just a theory I had
>A new lifter is maybe gaining 0.5lb of muscle a week so you need to fuel that.
How in the FRICK do people do that? I've done PPL at a caloric surplus for about 5 months now and my lifts have gone up somewhat, but there's no way I've gained anywhere close to 12.5lbs of muscle.
If gender roles were reversed and women were all getting IST to protect their loved ones, I would have no problem being some woman's twink bf getting dommed by them in bed.
This is honestly my dream. Don't even need for roles to change, would be happy if such a girl found me.
>Tfw this sexy as hell glam girl is trying to peg me
>Tfw I act indifferent and open bht secretly I want her to pound my brain out
Goddamn it bros so this is how making it feels.
>girl is trying to peg me
How do you know?
Would you be willing to wear elf ears?
What's the point with the elf ears? I have long hair though.
I would achieve my long term goals in 3 months if I did a cycle
I don't like mires, and the moment I start getting positive attention is when I get most self conscious, stop going to the gym and start regressing.
>Box squat is one of the more functional lifts, one of the major concerns with the elderly is being able to stand up from sitting
>Deadlifts are essentially meme lift due to the vast difference in leverages across bodytypes skewing starting position more than any other lift
>Machines are for absolute homosexuals, you can isolate everything and anything with free weights
are for absolute homosexuals, you can isolate everything and anything with free weights
wrong on this point, cables are phenomenal for switching up tension and ROM, e.g. you cant use DB flyes to stretch the chest to the full ROM since you lose almost all tension at the top of the movement whereas the opposite is true with cables
Seconded on box squats, in addition to being very functional it can engage your legs without exposing your hips to large shear forces. People who've had both hips replaced can box squat as heavy as they are capable without having to worry about possible dislocations or damaging anything. I believe Dave Tate is one of those guys who's had both hips replaced and still Box squats insane weights. Box squats are part of the recommended physiotherapy after a hip replacement.
Most people into fitness are terrible at estimating bodyfat% (obviously everyone not into fitness is even worse at it). Everyone I've met and trained with who thought they were at 10% or even sub-10% body fat was more in the 12-15% range. 12-15% is where a lot of people feel pretty good and strong while feeling kind of lean. Generally everyone I've met who makes it down to 10% has told me that they feel smaller and weaker at 10%. Which also reflects my experience being there. So I'm guessing people hit a low bf% that they still feel good at and assume they've made it to 10%.
Nihilism is the only reasonable way to think. Others are just cope.
There is no reason for a woman to be weak.
>poop comes out
>it doesn't go back in
why live?
Metabolism is a meme
My 1rm > ur 1rm
Hype is overrated, if you need metal blaring in your ears, smelling salts stuffed up your butthole, 7 different brands of preworkout, and the correct MINDSET to push your reps, you're prolly on a good path towards snapping your shit.
No music, or calm ambience, no stimulants, and a calm, focused demeanor will net you much better results, and keep you from egolifting yourself into a torn rotator.
>when the gym plays William Basinski
I listen to music because I like music. Happens to be punk or punk-adjacent most of the time, but that's because I like that music. People who listen to metal are idiots anyways, whether lifting or not, metal is garbage for garbage people.
Lefty?
Calisthenic and some cardio is all you need to impress woman and ahead of 98% population that is fat and sick nowadays
Calisthenics is too advanced if you have a high fat to muscle ratio and you are a rookie with no form. Start with full body workout and cardio, learn correct form, stance and rep discipline, then proceed to exercising specific muscle groups and keep on cardioing, at this point you have more muscle mass and lower fat, keep on training and cardioing and add more lifts and deadlifts in your routine to get even stronger, then and only then you can progress in pure calisthenics. This journey will take between 2 and 3 years.
By calisthenics we mean dips, chinups, pullups and leg raises. Nobody is going to do planches and iron crosses for muscle mass lmao
All these
Here is mine.
Once you reach your desired muscle mass there is no need to continue to lift heavy, expect if you want to or it's your job.
Everybody that continues to lift heavy 35+ will have fricked up joints and spine later in life.
95% of your muscle mass can be maintained with calisthenics.
Lifting makes me happy. Find what makes you happy anons.
a lot of people don't know the secret to do more perfect pull-ups.
frequency doesn't matter whether you do 10+ sets spread throughout the week or on a single day makes minimal to no difference.
protein is overrated.
variety is a meme, a varied program just makes you mediocre at a lot of things instead of good at a few.
programming makes no difference, most people look roughly the same after two years regardless of whether they overloaded with weight or volume, regardless of which exercises provided the entire body is activated.
secondary and tetiary muscles are a meme, just do more of the same exercise and those become primary when the primary muscles are exhausted due to compensation.
tracking calories is a meme for people with stunted hormonal signaling.
tracking macros is a meme for blind people who don't see obvious health markers in the mirror.
meat is overrated, dairy is vastly superior.
americans are not human, neither are brits.
>tracking calories is a meme for people with stunted hormonal signaling.
So just about everyone nowadays.
Tracking calories is the most effective way to control weight, period. Everything else is just a roundabout way to control calories without looking at them directly.
> Everything else is just a roundabout way to control calories without looking at them directly.
Yes. We have an incredibly effective system for balancing calories, and even specific macro and micro nutrients. Trying to limit calories with a dysfunctional diet and metabolism is treating the symptom while ignoring the cause. It isn’t natural for humans to be over 20% body fat and hungry. It isn’t necessary to brute force your way to 15-18% and be hungry all the time, and most people will fail eventually when trying it.
>We have an incredibly effective system for balancing calories, and even specific macro and micro nutrients.
Maybe if you eat like a caveman and have never been exposed to selectioned carbs, let alone modern processed foods that deleted all that shit when you were still a kid.
Never seen anybody who can't even count calories get their physique in order.
true to everything except I think you get more from split frequency (because you wouldn't possibly get 12-16 sets of proper volume in 1 day, compared to 2-3)
and the fact that clearly over 40% of the world has stunted hormonal signaling, so calorie counting is in fact not a meme. to be fair, I would have lost weight without it, just a lot more misery and way more time.
> (because you wouldn't possibly get 12-16 sets of proper volume in 1 day, compared to 2-3)
you can and I've done exactly that.
>mediocre at a lot of things instead of good at a few.
That's literally what fitness means. Specialization is harmful.
I hate that smug look on her plastic face. Makes me wanna dropkick her.
Hardly even saw it because that hint of cameltoe makes me want to drop down on my knees and lick her.
>all you need to "make it" is an ascended ottermode body (pic related) at =<12% bodyfat
>achievable with weighted calisthenics (dips, pullups, chinups,leg raises)
>you don't need to squat for big legs, leg press/extensions/cycling (uphill sprints) is more than enough as T-Rex legs are ugly as frick
deadlifts are a good leg exercise, they make them strong but are shit for hypertrophy so they don't get big, especially the quads don't really grow much from them, but calves do.
You don't need to be "strong" in the modern day era, all you need is to look good (getting to ascended ottermode will make you stronger than 95% of other men).
Nobody is impressed by your 3pl8 DL beside other powershitters and your ego.
strong legs are important for injury prevention, big legs however are disadvantageous.
>pic related
>"all" you need
Your body dysmorphia so bad you can't recognize how exceptional this physique is in actuality
>tfw pic looks small to me now
It would have girls drooling.
>how exceptional this physique is in actuality
most zoomers go to the gym nowadays and lifting is mainstream as frick, probably like 20-25% of men below 40 look like that or better
>All you need is roids
The guy in your pic isn't even natty.
Sex is overrated. Women are gain goblins. Fit volcel for life is peak chad.
It's only overrated bc you've never had sex with someone who truly loves you.
>volume > weight
>intensity > consistency
>bulgarian split squats are the single best leg exercise
>huge chest looks bad
>> consistency > intensity
Time under tension (with appropriate weight) should be more important than reps. Also I wish more people viewed cardio as training for the heart and lungs, basically improving your work capacity.
I hate fast reps that bounce off the chest, and I hate people who think a 10k run will be enough to burn off that McFrickin burger.
>I hate fast reps that bounce off the chest
They're more important than full ROM reps for speed and power.
You should never ever do competition bench and instead just do close grip bench.
Lifting is much less important than dieting. You can get away with only lifting 1-2 time per week if you eat right. I'm able to get so much more puss at 155 lbs 10% BF then I ever could at 180 lbs 25% BF
Squatting/Bench past 150kg is just really unsafe and pointless
Genetics doesnt matter if you ask God to change them
most of you wont make it because you're too obsessed with finding obscure knowledge and behaving like an antisocial autist instead of actually living a healthy life and working out for something
only 5% of you homosexuals here actually push yourself in the gym and the rest just make excuses as to why you're weak/unathletic/unaesthetic.
If you simply worked harder you would have what you wanted
Heaven's Feel is the worst route
>OHP is a better exercise for shoulder health and strength in the long run compared to bench press.
>Straight arm pulldowns is a superior back exercise compared to rows, pull-ups, and regular lat pulldowns.
>8x3 is ideal in terms of size and strength gains
No refunds
My main reason for lifting and trying to get fit is to get a girl.
Any kind of diet will work.
If you can't grow by just eating what you want and lifting heavy you have shit genetics
Everyone bigger than me is fraud and everyone smaller than me is dyel and ngmi
Everyone should adjust their programming to suit their own needs.
S-y beans are not effectively estrogenic but inferior to meat because of its protein absorption rate.
>gets recommended to menopausal women
nothin personnel, vegan
This worship of some sort of muscleape ideal is a pursuit engaged in by low-IQ morons, usually macho manapes, who can't understand the idea of improving themselves mentally.
Unless you focus on gym shit AFTER you've become widely learned and skilled in a lot of different fields, you're just being a dumb ape who's looked down on by people who aren't roidmonkeys.
>Each large muscle of a bodybuilder represents a language he didn't learn, a poem he didn't read, a fun fact he never memorised.
You can do both, and you don't need to hold off entering a gym until you are 35 and "widely learned." have a nice day, trash.
Think you got the wrong door, reddit is two links down.
>Post your controversial IST opinions.
it didnt happen
but it should have
also they deserved it