Roider's Conundrum

Yesterday some anon made a copium post (not picrel) about how one can never really be jacked natty because roiders have elevated public expectations so far that a genuinely well-built but moderate physique does not register as /fit in comparison to the meatwalls out there.

Now whilst this post was an absolute joke, I think it had *some* merit. I think normies can generally recognise somebody who actively looks after themselves but I think the public have truly lost touch with how insane some of the physiques out there are. A few years ago even I would be a bit surprised when a guy who's lifted for a few years achieves "'only"' ottermode at best; I of course know better now.

Thoughts?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares what normies thinks?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Roiding is pretty safe as long as you are not clinically retarded.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Roiding is pretty safe as long as you are the type of person that doesn't want to roid in the first place
      Seems legit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Roiding is pretty safe as long as you treat it as a medical procedure, and not your weekend pub crawls
        Ftfy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So is transitioning lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes , chopping your cock off and blocking puberty is tots safe. And effective too!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >40% attempted suicide rate
        >safe

        Anon I......

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds about right.

    The lines have definitely been blurred and the bar raised.

    Most people don't care that someone's on steroids either.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lol I can 100% guarantee you’ve never talked with a woman before

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What? I'm genuinely curious what do you think his post has to do with talking to women.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If a chick realises you put needles in your ass just so other dudes who put needles in their asses compliment u she'll dip if shes normal

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When I first started lifting I assumed everyone got really jacked and it was something you had to avoid doing.

    10 years later I realized most people barely make any noticeable gains no matter how hard they train

    Shit is funny how delusional newfag lifters are like i once was

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not everything you think is true

      Been lifting on and off since the age of 11, am now 26, have accumulated years of gains

      Anabolic steroids did not exist for most of history yet strong people have

      It is possible to train poorly and make slow progress as well

      You have to do some serious mental contortion to think that you need drugs to get strong

      The roiders haven't fucked with the public's perception or with the perceptions of average women, they've fucked with *yours*. Normal people and especially normal women say things like "too big" or "too muscly" or "that looks freakish, idk it's just unnatural" all the time, you just don't fucking listen because roidtrannies claim they're all lying to cope.

      Yes exactly, the whole steroid market revolves around professional athletes and insecure men who are convinced they need it to make progress

      This is how the drugs keep flowing, it's a scheduled substance, you buy it from a drug dealer

      Consider the motivations of someone who makes a profit from selling drugs that kill you

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        post body mr. reddit moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          am not on reddit and definitely not going to listen to people who talk like that, not to myself or anyone else

          you wish it was still socially acceptable to talk like this but instead you've been pushed into this little anonymous hidey hole to spread your hate like a coward

          man up and stop living a lie

          you will be happier for it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not the guy you're replying to but you're a massive gay and everyone around you knows this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah. My goal body when i started was some roided up dude and because he wasn't that big i thought i could get it in 2-3 years lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is this really due to needing good genetics or are most people dumb cunts who don't train and eat well. I've been lifting for 5 months and I'm bigger than 90% of people in my gym. (also a lanklet so it makes it even harder)

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when Pewdiepie posted a pic of himself with literally just visible abs and normalfags went crazy calling him "buff" and "ripped"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A word to describe him would be "healthy", being healthy is attractive.
      It's funny how unhealthiness has become the norm in this day and age due to the modern lifestyle and diet that a simple lean and healthy musculature is seen as a rarity.
      In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed is king

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It depends. For women, natty ottermode physiques are the most attractive (someone post the pic), they don't find gigantic muscle-bound beasts attractive at all. For men, we can't help but feel inadequate when the next guy is bigger than us, no matter how gigantic and unnatural he is. Us nattys will always be mogged by roid freaks, but we'll always be more attractive to women.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The roiders haven't fucked with the public's perception or with the perceptions of average women, they've fucked with *yours*. Normal people and especially normal women say things like "too big" or "too muscly" or "that looks freakish, idk it's just unnatural" all the time, you just don't fucking listen because roidtrannies claim they're all lying to cope.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This, roiders look as freaky as the fried chicken looking fitness bikini barbies and no one really like the looks.
      >be me
      >have a cute shorty coworker
      >she starts dating a roider meathead
      >turns into a 10k follower fitness influencer herself
      >gets an eating disorder
      >gets a boob job (nice)
      >new lips too
      >dies hair
      >competes with other fried chicks on stage
      >he breaks up with her and immediately marries a normal looking 5/10
      The "pro" fitness crowd is extremely weird and they don't even like their own kind.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >women say things like "too big" or "too muscly" or "that looks freakish
      Yeah when they see Ronnie or Jay Cutler, not when they see Chris Hemsworth in Thor. You're coping, anon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >women think Thor looks good so I need to do steroids to compete
        lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Roidtrannies think they look like Chris Hemsworth on-screen in a multimillion dollar movie the same way that trannies think they look like the femboy catgirls in their favorite hentai.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They say this when someone is sub 8% bodyfat, not about their size. Show a girl Chris Bumstead off-season and they won’t say that, show them his competition photos and they will.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you actually spent time with normies, you'd know it takes little to impress them.
      DYEL by fit standards is shredded for normies

      This

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From what I hear and see around, roiders only attract bimbo type women with appropriate mental issues. As far as what kind of men find roiders inspiring, they are never bright as well.

    Absolute majority of sane people, men and women, would consider someone like brad pitt in fight club or patrick bateman to have a great body, and you definitely need no roids for that.

    So in general, I don't think it's what normies think, but people with mental problems and various stages of body dysmorphia (which can also be expressed outwardly in how you see other people bodies), be it women, or other men.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Natty is a joke now. Being a natty who is in top shape registers as “oh he jogs and probably does some pull ups. Maybe plays some weekend sports.” Being on TRT is the standard now for “natty” fitness gurus. Half my gym is on gear in some form. It is over if you are a natty now, you will always just register as “in shape” to normies. The average normie now thinks fitness tubers like the hodge twins are natty. Hell most normies think liverking and Larry Wheels are natty. Jeff cavalier who ironically is probably natty, is just seen as a slightly fit guy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is body dysmorphia in action. Full-on hallucinations about the thoughts in other people's heads. They may SAY things like "that looks weird tbh" when I show them a picture of Larry fucking Wheels looking like the incredible hulk, bulging with veins while he rips gorilla weights off the floor, but they're all secretly thinking that he looks like a normal natural person who just works out a lot and looks really good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/z13OYes.jpg

      Yesterday some anon made a copium post (not picrel) about how one can never really be jacked natty because roiders have elevated public expectations so far that a genuinely well-built but moderate physique does not register as /fit in comparison to the meatwalls out there.

      Now whilst this post was an absolute joke, I think it had *some* merit. I think normies can generally recognise somebody who actively looks after themselves but I think the public have truly lost touch with how insane some of the physiques out there are. A few years ago even I would be a bit surprised when a guy who's lifted for a few years achieves "'only"' ottermode at best; I of course know better now.

      Thoughts?

      I'm natty and whenever I post my physique on here I get accused of roids

      Most nattys are small because they train like shit and don't have the knowledge/mindset to go next level
      Big strong natty physique is always noticed by everyone

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Post body

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There you go, I don't have a current full frontal, sorry
          Bear in mind those are done in perfect light with perfect pump, I don't look that sharp on the daily, but the size is there

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're a beast bro

            Has me doubting as well just due to arm vascularity

            But I would not be surprised at all if natty

            You can never truly know without a drug test or if they are a freak beast mass monster

            I know I have good genes.
            There is a variation, definetely, but I very commonly see dudes who train for years, never acquire the proper technique never progress in strength and keep talking about natty limits and poor genes.
            Everyone can build an impressive physique, the gene factor comes in when you talk about who is going to be an elite freak.

            Exactly bro, the mechanics/science of training is neglected for easy answers like gurus and one-size-fits-all programs

            If you truly understand the mechanics of hypertrophy then you can leverage that knowledge to make crazy gains

            A lot of "hard gainers" are just training poorly, it goes beyond the weightroom into your diet and sleep as well

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Has me doubting as well just due to arm vascularity
              that's the fat distribution I have, very little on the arms, a little too much on the love handles

              >If you truly understand the mechanics of hypertrophy then you can leverage that knowledge to make crazy gains
              >A lot of "hard gainers" are just training poorly, it goes beyond the weightroom into your diet and sleep as well

              that's literally it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You have reached a point where people will just have their doubts and honestly that is high praise would not take it as an insult

                Just tell them thanks lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >those veins
            >natty
            kek

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              If dude is truly natty then would consider it a high compliment to be accused of roids

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I have zero interest in lying to people on a mongolian basket weaving forum
              that would be terrible karma

              If dude is truly natty then would consider it a high compliment to be accused of roids

              sometimes I do but sometimes the comments are just seethe and cope

              • 1 month ago
                WAGMIBROS

                I get the same.

                hurr "curly veins" like bro, youre just looking at vascularity, biggest whiff of copium

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You just don’t have an understanding of how important genetics are, I was also always accused of gear before I ever got on it, and my friend trained with me followed the same routine and ate properly, was making consistent progress, but he wasn’t getting anywhere near the results I was getting. That’s not to say there aren’t many out there who don’t train hard enough or they are lazy with their diets, but most guys won’t be able to look as good as you natty even with training and diet perfect.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >most guys won’t be able to look as good as you natty

              I know, but I was answering to OP, they are absolutely able to get big and noticably jacked so that people will look at them and go holy shit that's a buff dude even though social media and media in general are full of roiders people still respond positively to a nice physique

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think the OP is making the mistake in realizing that you can never look truly exceptional natty with the idea that you can’t look impressive or good. Yea you aren’t going to be the guy with a 1 in a 100,000 physique walking around natty that some people will have stronger reactions to. But you can easily be a top 0.5% of physiques which people will still notice not just as fit but as impressive.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You can though, the problem is peoples warped idea of what a best physique is, paired with the fact that modern diet and living has completely tanked the average health/attractiveness of the population.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but they think "Okay that guy has a nice physique but if I trained for 6 months I could have it too". (But of course, they choose not to)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You look good and that is possible naturally with a good routine. Many people get stupid expectations of low natural limits because of all the garbage in modern lifestyle and lies on social media.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              that's my entire point
              thanks anon
              WAGMI

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the more I speak one-on-one with bigger dudes, I do realise there is an insane difference between good genetics are dogshit ones.

            i'm coming around to the idea that vascular beasts exist outside of the general confines.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'll believe it, you lack the signature traps, delts and tris of frauds. The vascularity, leanness and dryness of your skin does suggest otherwise, though.

            Nice work btw.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There's a big variation in what is genetically possible. Just because you have good genetics for muscle building doesn't mean it's easily doable for others and although you want to take all the credit for it due to your hard work you put in, which I don't doubt, it may just be that you've been blessed by great genetics. It's like a tall, handsome guy claiming his success with women comes from being charming. Yeah, maybe he's really charming and charismatic, but maybe that's just one piece of the puzzle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I know I have good genes.
          There is a variation, definetely, but I very commonly see dudes who train for years, never acquire the proper technique never progress in strength and keep talking about natty limits and poor genes.
          Everyone can build an impressive physique, the gene factor comes in when you talk about who is going to be an elite freak.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A rough estimate for muscle gains in the first year of training, assuming proper diet and training, is between 5 and 15 lbs. Half the people are going to make around 10lbs, some of the remaining people less and some more. There are outliers that make 20+ lbs. So it's entirely possible that you being on the upper end of average make 3x the gains in the first year than someone on the lower end of average. In the following years the differences are smaller but could still be 2x.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              But still it's just a matter of time
              Natural bodybuilding is a lifetime journey
              Rennaissance Periodization has a lot of nice videos on that topic
              I know and understand that it comes easier for some but it's achievable for everybody

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Totally. My earlier point before this discussion was that I believe roiders have mostly skewed expectations of what is doable in a short manner of time (all those x months transformations) rather than what is achievable in terms of size, so that's why I don't focus so much on what is achievable in a lifetime.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is true, but this is exactly the reason that you have to stop comparing your progress in the gym to other people.
          > inb4 cope. mad cause small
          As cliche as it sounds, it is entirely true. Are there people who achieve in 6 months what it takes you a year to do? Yes. Should that matter to you unless you are some blackpilled dumbass? No. Who the fuck cares? Just go lift. Even if you have bottom 10% genetics, you cannot avoid the fact that human muscle tissue responds and adapts to stimulus. You will grow. You will look better. Quit being a gay and lift some weights.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I agree with you, and personally I think I have quite decent genetics. It's just that people seem to underestimate the importance of them and those with good genetics are quick to say someone who makes shitty gains just doesn't put in the work. I'll be the first to call out people who just fuck around in the gym and don't push themselves but it's important to realize and keep in mind that someone could push hard and eat well and still make poor muscle gains. I think it's obvious to everyone here and not really up to debate, I just figure it's good to point out anyway.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some people here don't seem to get that the ottermode / athletic guys on tiktok are roiders too. "Roiders are too big" is not an argument because most people that roid do not look like bodybuilders. Anyway, I think what changed is the perception of how much work and time it takes to achieve a certain physique. For example, for me it probably took 15 months of lifting for people to first comment on my physique but realistically they thought I had only lifted for 3 months or so. Over 2.5 years in they can tell I lift but I'm definitely not turning heads.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    (OP)
    I'm torn, I'm NOWHERE near swole (calisthenics bro) but girls swear up and down I'm a "big guy" and don't want me getting any bigger or any more cut.
    I think there's a certain bar to pass, and then after that you're on a spectrum of swole but there is a difference between strong and "freak" like a roidgoy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you're a big guy!
      >for you

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder, you don't have body dysmorphia. You're just small.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    idk what you're asking but a low-dose cycle would be a comfy 175-250mg/week dose.

    This would put very comfortable above the highest generic test range with minimal sides, you'd grow quite fast but not exponentially.

    If I could be bothered to find a fucking source who could supply me my entire life, it'd cruise on 250mg/week for life.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is not me and a ton of people are writing like this now on this website

      go on reddit and it's just longass paragraphs of self-absorbed bs that happens to have indentation

      not these sweet short lines that please the eye and hold the attention

      it's definitely aesthetic

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    why does he have 2 delts?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Deltoids are composed of front, side and rear delts. Most people don't train rear delts enough so they usually aren't that visible.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Roiders aren't fit. That's because you can absolutely pack on tons of muscle and get shredded with roids in a very short amount of time (1 year).

    However, compare that with an athlete who has been training for decades and you don't have the tendon strength / coordination/ CNS adaptation he has. You are quite literally a fraud. Yes, pro athletes do roid but even the average pleb who played basketball every weekend mogs you because people can tell he is fit and he doesn't even try whereas you are the equivalent of a big plastic boobed blonde.

    Not to mention that roid gains go away insanely fast. I've seen roiders who stopped lifting for 3-4 months and they became these beer gut abominations. Meanwhile i literally didn't lift consistently for 2 years due to covid bullshit and i got back to my old lifts with 1 month of consistent lifting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      post body

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    normies also think that bmi is a hoax and fat is beautiful or whatever nonsense. normie perception on what is fit and what is fat is completely fucked up so no point in caring about it

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have friends who are adamant that none of the marvel actors roid, at best they concede Hemsworth did so. Even with him they argue his physique is achievable natty but that the timeframe was probably too short.

    Also have a buddy who was surprised when I said the Rock roided and was in disbelief.

    None of my friends lift, they do now however sarcastically point at built actors and say how they bet I think that guy roids as well.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your perspective is fucked by online bullshit if you think that most people wont see any guy who has decent arms and ~15% bodyfat to be jacked.

    Everyone knows the Marvel actors are using a combination of roids, lighting, and CGI to enhance their appearance on screen.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How big are decent arms?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anything above 15 inches and most people will think you're muscular.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Your perspective is fucked by online bullshit if you think that most people wont see any guy who has decent arms and ~15% bodyfat to be jacked.
      have you been on IST? they think gigachad is achievable natty

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >have you been on IST?
        >IST
        >most people
        >normal people

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what most teenagers think=what IST thinks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody cares what teenagers think.

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