Are they a waste of time?
I'm not even trying to be all edgy and misogynistic but genuinely. I took multiple blows from this chick that apparently was a Qwan Ki Do or whatever fighter that made it to the national level. Apparently she also had broken another sparring partner's ribs with a kick before. I didn't feel shit. My 14 year old brother hit harder than that. Also, you guys remember that one time the Australian female soccer team got beaten by a group of 14 year olds? Or that one time some of the top female tennis players lost in a 2v1 against a random mediocre male player?
My point is, if the sex gap is this big, isn't getting women to learn martial arts a waste of time and actually dangerous since we're getting them in a mindset of not immediately running away and instead trying to use what they learned? Should we just stop this and get women used to carrying SOS signal buttons or, if you're American, guns?
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It's better to have some training than none at all.
Maybe, but it still feels like it's not gonna level the playing field at all. Fighting against a female that knows martial arts is like fighting against a 10 year old instead of a 5 year old. You'd still win either way. So why not try to focus on other aspects of saving yourself instead?
Ehhh, wouldn't say stuff like boxing is a meme, it's pretty decently effective.
>knife or pepper spray
Yes, I agree, that's exactly the point I'm making. But even with those, I'm not sure of they're ENOUGH protection to close the gap.
It's way better than nothing and it gives you at least a chance to escape. If you're asking if there's a gender difference, of course there is and of course it's pretty big, we already know that. Just from bone density alone men can obliterate women in contact sports. That's why gaining a distance advantage and playing unfairly would be in their best interest.
No, it's more of a matter of trained vs. untrained. If you know what a position is and can defend against basic chokes and joint locks and maybe have a bit of stamina you'll be able to do a thing or two against white belts with a stripe or two. A little bit of BJJ can obliterate someone who knows nothing about fighting, e.g. 97% of the population.
>Ehhh, wouldn't say stuff like boxing is a meme, it's pretty decently effective
Yeah dude I'm sure a 100lb woman with boxing skills will be able to defend herself against grown men with boxing lmfao.
This is correct, in a situation where the aggressor is trying to rape a woman in broad daylight, bjj would be an effective last defense.
I think Judo might be more effective than bjj for women in so much as it's significantly more intense and there is a frantic avoidal of pins. I've grappled with women in bjj and judo, and the ones who do judo always surprise me in terms of how much power they have and use to escape. Bjj women on the other hand are always soft and weak bc of the nature of a roll, so I've never been impressed rolling with them.
Too bad Judo is cucked by the olympics. Judo Newaza teaches you ground grappling but isn't taught as much because the sport is all about throws.
Both places i did judo did one hour standing one hour newaza. Both bjj places i did bjj did zero standing, one hour ground.
Same at the judo gym I trained at, it was literally 50/50 stand up and ground
Judo def is gimped though. Can't touch the legs for takedowns and a bad instinct to roll into turtle once on the ground. Easily worse than pulling guard in bjj self defense wise. Further, a lot of submissions are banned or infeasible to setup in judo. Still, the high intensity aggressive mentality is better for self defense than the low intensity passive mentality of bjj.
Judo makes sense on the street though. Not saying bjj(newaza) isnt useful. Its just thay when you see nigs getting fricked up its usually because they get thrown on the concrete asphalt; getting thrown somewhere you aren't on a mat
Judo also doesn't have a no gi component which makes it harder to translate "to the street". And don't fricking cope with "ha but people wear jackets and shit", it's nowhere near the same as grabbing a lapel or a belt for a grip (let alone the fact that it's summer and everyone is wearing tank tops). Yes you can do judo with nogi, but you need to have a wrestling/nogi skill set to do it. And if you say it's easy, you've never done judo or wrestling before.
And you've never done any ground grappling if you think """strength""" is what gimps women on the ground. It's just size, force from gravity that puts them at a massive disadvantage. A weak 200lb onions boy with a 45 lb bench will be applying a shit ton of force by virtue of being on top of a person. All he has to do the neuter a woman's ground skills is to get on top and hug her, keeping his head close to hers. She's pinned and can't do anything and she's going to start gassing since it's hard to breathe when a fat frick is on top of you. This applies to men too, I roll with a 250lb super bad case of childhood obesity 14 yr old, and if I let the guy work mount (bc I'm nice obv), it sucks.
Yeah, if I have to throw bigger guys, it's almost always from timing-based trip or sweep - or fully committing my bodyweight to a sacrifice throw or makikomi.
you're overestimating the strength of average man. average man is not built like a Linebacker. 90% of normal men are 50 kilo söyboys whose only experience in fighting is preschool karate.
>posting anime
>thinks he understands anything about physicality
>t.söyboy
Pot meet kettle
Most people are obese/overweight
>Most people are obese/overweight
sorry i'm not american
What if you're trying to rape her and she does that high kick and her dirty toes go right in your mouth haha just kidding!
What if accidentally footjob?
>patrician purveyors of female foot art
hnngg the orange nail girls soft pink toes at the end of the clip
goddamn
HWD prostitutes are something else
>offering her little foot to go directly into my mouth
what kind of self-defense is this exactly
Did you even read his post?
How effective is a woman kicking a man in the balls? Is that good self defense?
nice feet
Self defense with fighting is a meme in general, if you want to practice a martial art because it's fun in the same way chess is fun then you'll get more out of martial arts practice.
The most effective martial art women can learn is BJJ, they have a reach and strength disadvantage and are less dense so they will have trouble taking down a larger aggressor. They should just buy a CC and some pepper spray and maybe carry a flip knife, as should anybody trying to "self defend" in a city or something.
What's a cc?
Nvm, I am a moron.
>What's a cc?
Conceal carry
>What's a cc?
Credit Card
>The most effective martial art women can learn is GunFu
ftfy
>martial art for women's self defense
BJJ.
Except for genetic anomalies, a woman isn't going to be able to strike a man with meaningful force. So her best bet is to be able to keep the man from raping her for long enough to pull out her AIWB Glock and ventilate his cranial cavity.
Still sounds like you guys are overestimating them a bit. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is obv effective when it's small vs big fighters, but it's still only gonna kind of work 1/100 times maybe. You wouldn't expect a 12 year old martial arts prodigy to beat a fully grown adult, no matter how good he is, would you?
You didn't read the rest of my comment. I said, "keep the guy from raping her for long enough to pull out her glock and ventilate his cranial cavity." A gun, a dog, or another man is a woman's only real defense against a man.
only if hes a strong man. with training, a woman of average genetics can beat a dyel in a fight
X
she's not average and he's not a total dyel, but whos that german chick who beat up the tv guy
An average woman with years of training could maybe beat a complete twink. The case of that one MMA fighter that tapped a fatty dyel is a genetic freak against a genetic dead end
>You wouldn't expect a 12 year old martial arts prodigy to beat a fully grown adult, no matter how good he is, would you?
Yeah, I've read Baki
>Yeah, I've read Baki
Based.
As much as most of the english dubs are gay the original baki animation in English is great. I love how Hanma says "Bahkey!" To baki
the original animation with the English dub is pure frickin kino
Tops indeed bro.
Frick Black folk
look at her fricking DEFORMED TOES holy shit YUCK
kek
Wtf bro
I'm kidding haha... but imagine the salty toes tho!
Is this footjob practice?
what the frick is going on here
the likely scenario is that one of them has a tiktok video that got some views due to their feet. they're essentially doing the:
>haha wouldn't it be so hilarious and random if we posted more videos of our feet
>haha that would be silly! it's just for fun girls, right?
>haha yeah just for fun haha
when in reality they just love the attention and views they're getting but can't admit it without seeming vain.
god i hate women.
i do this
AMA
perfect breeding material
Depends. Karate is a waste of time because it's an asian meme promoted by Hollywood in the 80s. MMA is a better alternative.
mma, you mean mixed martial arts, wherein people fight each other in the art of their choosing, including karate?
MMA is bestiality to fight/contact sports.
In a guy's case physical strength does undeniable play a role to some extent. There's a reason why a lot of people that take up fighting also workout. Fighting is definitely helpful but it's not mysticism shit that makes you invincible. I'd normally say that it's effective as long as the larger opponent doesn't have 70+ pounds on you but for most of women's attackers this is absolutely the case.
TL;DR, they should just buy a weapon because grappling somebody twice your size is near impossible unless your a prodigy.
Gun-jutsu
Grappling is better than striking for women, because they will always be at a huge disadvantage for power and range in striking. Choking however works, if you know how you can pull off a rear naked choke or a triangle against people how are much stronger than you physically.
Guillotine chokes and armbars should work aswell.
gigachad
>he ... he .. he
i am confused by this article
yep
it's brazil, a hellish realm where gender is in flux
If a person quickly grabs your ball sack and twists it hard it can cause you to instantly lost consciousness. Women can do this to you.
A woman can also poke your eyeball.
I think a throw heavy martial art like Judo might be ideal. The self defense is in no way a prolonged encounter, just a throw to topple/get the attacker off balance so the woman can disengage and use pepper spray/gun or run away.
The benefit of a woman having experience in a martial art is most predators are ambush, if she suddenly puts up an unexpected, competent defense the attacker might think twice and disengage. But again she won't stand up in a prolonged fight unless she's lucky or the guy is inebriated.
Beyond martial arts or weapons is situational awareness and acting on it. I think of that webm where a woman walks right by a rapist at night. You can tell she's uncomfortable by her body language but she wasn't trying to avoid him due to social norms or something. He just starts punching her in the face in a very methodical manner, slowly circling her as she gets more and more disoriented by the blows. When she's on the ground he starts punching her to knock her out/make her give up resisting before dragging her off. Very fricked up but puts self defense into context on multiple levels.
Be situationally aware. Avoid these situations in the first place. Know a martial art that emphasizes disengagement. Carry a weapon, ideally a gun.
I'm writing so much because I fricking hate those "self defense" classes where they have women kick a guy in the nuts to incapacitate, which gives them a false sense of confidence. It's not real world compatible.
I have never heard of "Qwan Ki Do" I would assume they are like a bad Tae Kwon Do and would say that not only is it hard for a woman to hit hard in the first place, but this probably is a terrible place to learn
It's not a waste of time.
All they need is to do a nice kick to the balls
then while the man is bent over the woman slips off her shoes and makes him smell her feet.
just get a gun if you're a girl.
Maybe a trained girl can bushwack a normal guy but you better believe if a 140 pound girl trys to put me in an arm bar she's getting her skull bounced off the ground.
I don't even think that will help a lot of them. I know a girl who bought a gun and got a CC because her boyfriend is really into them and she's one of the most panicky non-present people I've ever met.
In any situation where she would need it she will either forget she has it or somehow manage to shoot herself. Every time I'm around her I feel like I'm watching an accident waiting to happen.
people saying whamen should get into grappling are moronic
if the other option is to learn a striking art then grappling is the easy choice. they at least give themselves a chance against an equal-sized but untrained male. it's either learn to grapple or do cross-country.
well duh, the whole point is that they are not equal size to males
what the frick are you trying to say moron? you said that advising females to go into a grappling art for self-defense is stupid but the alternative (a striking art) is an even worse choice because their chances against even an untrained, equal sized male in a fight centered around striking is still terrible. if their grappling training means they can isolate an arm or take the back in a scramble then they can actually defend themselves successfully.
Yes. The 50 kg 150 cm woman can take down a dude with her heckin 1,2 leg kick combos.
yes, because wrestling with a guy twice your size is totally going to work
Women actually do really well at wrestling competitions quite late into teenage years against boys and young men. They never win but they can hold their own. This simply isn't the case in boxing, they'll get fricking destroyed.
the most pressing and common assault situation involving a man and a woman are where the woman is grabbed and pinned down for rape. women generally dont get into barfights where they trade blows with dudes. And its precisely because dudes are stronger than women that its essential for them to learn grappling, because if a woman gets grabbed theyre done for unless they know what to do against some untrained dude whos stronger than them. in all other scenarios they can and will run. Strikes arent going to do much against a dude twice your weight but with grappling you can escape from being grabbed and maybe throw the dude if youre lucky.
you also have to contend with the fact that striking is way more intuitive to people than grappling.a strong untrained dude can knock someone out easily by throwing shitty haymakers, but the same dude wouldnt know what to do if he holds you other than shoving you to the ground or doing a rape choke.
and then lets not forget the difference in practice structure between grappling and striking. in grappling, women will constantly and regularly spar hard against dudes stronger than them, and so will be more used to their strength, or at least know about it and can prepare for it. striking doesnt spar hard as much for the obvious reason of wanting to mitigate head injuries
so, how much is your local bjj dojo paying you for these delusions
BJJ, Judo and Wrestling is good for women judging by liveleak footage. Rarely saw a woman who knew how to punch take down anything more than drunks.
Women should just get guns if they want to be safe, but if women have guns than literally no man is safe since they'll shoot you for walking behind them even if you weren't a rapist.
Women are literally insane schizophrenic freaks and if don't know what I'm talking about you're obvious not around women enough
>guns
>women can't do shit but run away if at all
Okay, so is it a better idea to get women to have jogging, sprinting or running as a hobby? Isn't it smarter to encourage them to learn to be faster than the average man? Most places don't allow gun ownership within normal citizens and even if they did, most women would be against using them. So is running as a sport the optimal female martial arts?
Well yeah, but I guess it can't hurt to learn the basics of breaking a grip or getting out of guard too. I mean if you're taking BJJ just for the self defense you're wasting your time but it's a worthwhile hobby anyways.
Bjj is absolutely worth it for self defence. Yes we all know the "his friend jamal comes and kicks you in the head" while you are on the ground thing but women should 100% learn bjj like wtf she isn't going to win with striking and the type of attack that she will be facing is when she is alone and getting stalked / ambushed. White knights will always defend women if someone even so much as touches her unless it is the NYC subway or some other hellhole
This. it is like fighting a child. Give women guns and knives and a kevlar vest with stab protection and they'll do fine. Even with handguns women struggle to handle 9mm pistols so I would give women a stocked pistol / pdw. something like vz 61 skorpion + red dot.
>I would give women a stocked pistol / pdw. something like vz 61 skorpion + red dot.
Give her a KAC PDW and NODs and I'd wife her on the spot
Unironically they really just need to be somewhere safe. Some women can fight someone off if they're a 5th degree jiu jitsu black belt or maybe shoot someone if they can actually manage a gun but overwhelmingly if a woman is in a situation where a man wants to hurt her she's just screwed.
So, what's your proposal for the safety of women?
Go ssj1 and suck my wiener whilst i drink espresso on the toilet having a diarrhea
>smilefrogcoyexpression.jpeg
>So is running as a sport the optimal female martial arts?
No. Because women are still significantly slower.
Martial arts and shit is fun but for women, your self defense isnt going to be based on beating the shit out of a male attacker. It’s going to be how to get away from a male attacker. Even fit women are not as strong as an average guy let alone a sigma predator. Im not trying to be sexist but thats a fact.
Guns will always be the best self defense women have against male attackers.
Complete waste of time for self-defense; if women want to pursue it as a sport they enjoy, it's as legitimate as anything else. The reason women's self defense is a total joke is because the person that wins a fight is usually the bigger, stronger, more aggressive person who initiates it - 4 factors compounding against the woman.
I enjoy watching women's judo and ONE's wmma division, but let's not kid ourselves about women's fighting ability. We're talking Top 0.1% women on juice for whom combat sports are their jobs to have a chance against a guy that swangs and bangs like Worldstar and learned how to tackle in JV football.
Anyone who has ever sparred a woman can tell you that there is zero chance an average woman can repel a determined attacker regardless of training.
That's kind of the point of a lot of martial arts forms--- namely aikido. The point is to use biomechanical advantage to make strength a non issue. This girl you're talking about doesn't HAVE to punch hard if she can knock you down or put you in a joint lock through good technique. Martial arts isn't about brute strength and overcoming people by being bigger and stronger; it's really the opposite
Shame aikido is LARP
thats a good meme, too bad its not true
>m-muh grappring is superior tbh against nigs
thats a good cope too, bigger guy will prolly win anyways
lmao homies here ve thinkin' they can beat a trained fighter 'cus they go to the gym
imö martial arts does help a lot for everyone-yeah a w*man won't be able to beat a bodybuilder in muay thai but pretty sure she's gonna be able to obliterate an untrained dyel
Those are two men, anon. Weight differences are VERY secondary to sex differences. The girl I mentioned in the start of the thread that kicked me was a national level martial artist that weighed like 20-30 pounds less than me, it wasn't a huge gap
I train muay thai and have playfully sparred against very competitive women. Strength and physicality is fricking massive benefit. A weak but technically talented grappler can get squished by a moron strength dude.
>A weak but technically talented grappler can get squished by a moron strength dude
only if the beefy guy knows at least the basics of fighting. random nig on the street won't even know how to guard or throw a punch
She probably pulled her punch (or kick) so as to not put you in the hospital. Skilled people can exercise control that way.
This, kek. Imagine being such a a newhomosexual that he thinks sparring means go all out with intent to maim
It could be that, but it could also be that the woman has no power.
I sparred with this ~12 year old kid at my striking class who I think was a TKD black belt. He was throwing full force crazy tornado kicks at me and it was nothing. I would block them and it was like a little tap and he would fall over.
Nope. Got her to go full out and give it everything she got. She got more and more frustrated with each kick and put more weight behind it every time but nothing changed. Was gonna frick her stupid after that but smth got in the way :/
@67850567
>Pot meet kettle
>posting a pic of himself.
Many such cases
a pic of himself.
>Many such cases
Don't hurt yourself there, buddy.
If it's not picrel, it's not worth your time for self defense. Commenters that disagree need to go cope and seethe at their local dojo
My state doesn't require a permit to conceal anymore and I never got one. So basically I waited them out and won.
what everyone is saying on here is completely wrong. Thats why i hate combat sports gays so much, they all talk from the POV of combat sports.In competitive sports women dont beat men. But in a streetfight its not that unlikely. Usually the man wants to rape or steal the purse, he doesnt use his fricking reach advantage to give her a straight combination. kick between the legs and theyre done. Happened uncountable of times
> Usually the man wants to rape or steal the purse
Source
So fricking wrong. Has to be trolling.
Look at it this way: first of all, most people in 2022 are lucky enough to live in places where practicing martial arts has more to do with having fun and doing some exercise than with self defense, so women can and will train as they wish not to appeal some dumb macho fantasy as yours, but because they want to. Second, as with any physical activity, practicing martial arts has many benefits, in particular compared to not practicing anything at all: not only female martial arts practicioners do have a (perhaps slight) better chance at survival if the shit were to hit the fan, but they will be in a better shape. Do you judge people who play football based in the likelyhood of then playing the world cup? Do you judge people hitting the gym based on how they would perform at the next Mr. Olympia? No, you don't: you praise them for being physically active.
So go suck a wiener, I guess, and stop wasting time with your fantasy battles against women.
Seething
>Self defense and martial arts for women
>"behold, sonny, the most powerful technique of all"
No amount of training will stop a horny man from taking the sacred fruit
Ju-jistu can save them from being raped. The rest is useless for them.
Waste of time. Learn to shoot. Civilization isn't a guarantee. Gun is the great equalizer. If the world goes to shit, no martial art is going to protect a woman. I learned to shoot along with my wife and every woman should know how to use a gun. It is still very much a man's world and the illusion of civilized interaction can be gone tomorrow.
All women should own and know how to shoot a gun.
Women's only hope in a fight against a man is something like Judo or BJJ
They don't have the strength to strike, nor can they do power moves like you'll find in wrestling
It makes sense for women to train to fight because rapists and other assorted men who prey on them are by-and-large "failed men" - big, strong, healthy males do not need to rape, they just frick. A woman in a self-defense scenario will generally be facing off against the absolute bottom of the barrel of the male gene pool. You've probably seen the kind of malnourished freaks that lurk around at the bottom of society - THAT'S the prospective opponent, not Chad and not even an average man. A woman who trains something like BJJ will have a realistic shot of getting away that she otherwise wouldn't.