Let's dig into the dark side of IST, friends. Steroids. Is it really "cheating," or is it just leveling the playing field? After all, isn't fitness about pushing our bodies to their limits?
On the flip side, aren't we just lying to ourselves by taking a shortcut to gains? Where do we draw the line between hard work and enhancement?
And what about those who use them for competitive sports? Do they deserve their wins?
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>cheating
Life isn’t drug tested unless you are a professional athlete
There’s pros and cons to everything and if you don’t take the roid pill, you need to find a new hobby after 3 years of gymming
>unless you are a professional athlete
>he doesn’t know…
Nta but are you moronic? He wasn't saying professional athletes don't use roids.
based
You can only cheat if you break the rules and there are no rules here. What rule says you can't take steroids but you can do loads of reps and take creatine?
>if you feel the need to take the roid pill after 3 years of gymming you have shit genetic
FTFY
moron
It's cheating and it's also pathetic when people roid for natty bodies. Only makes sense if you surpass the natty limit which 99% of roiders don't
This
The only reason to roid is to go further beyond and reach Super Saiyan 3plate
The opposite of what you said is true, athletes should be roiding regular people doing it is cringe
I think it's all about balance. You can't just avoid your problems, but you also can't fix everything in one day. Workout, do your best in life, and sleep well.
if you're still natty after 3 years in the gym then you are a certified moron
I hate them because you're killing yourself. Age you, risk infertility, and will break you when you off cycle and you see loss, prompting you to forever cycle.
Not to mention the more guys that do them, it becomes the norm. So every guy will have to do them. Then you're all the same. So then what?
Those that want to be big and stand out must go more and more extreme.
It's just totally toxic and the dumbest path to go down.
Often it's for women, and what do women have to do? Frick all. Just not be obese. Equality my fricking ass.
Steroids are a substitute for hard work.
You can be on the broest brosplit doing meme exercises with the shittest of forms and eat junk food, and you'll still get big (no matter what you do/eat).
You gain a huge % increase in muscle gain, recovery and stamina, they also increase the fat burn.
That being said - everything comes at a price. Once you get off roids, you deflate within a few months back to where you started.
Not only do you deflate to your initial DYEL stage, you become EVEN MORE DYEL since every cycle fricks up your natty test production forever.
It an endless cycle where roidtrannies deflate, jump on the needle, deflate, etc. Those who choose to stay permanently on roids eventually and inevitably develop health complications.
Remember - natties keep their gains for life.
Natty you see gains as you progress, and gains that stay. Imagine been the dude in that pic, how depressing and heart breaking is it after, this makes you go right back on roids, and you'll be stuck on them for life.
tbh roidtrannies deserve everything they get
>desu
homosexual
>he doesnt know
off you go summergay
I don't even know who likes or finds this attractive. Is wear it is a tiny percent of mentally ill dudes who do the same thing. It looks fricking disgusting. Like an inflated scrotum. Vomit,
More plates more ugly.
Just like harassment and a women liking it, the difference is an ugly vs good looking dude.
Same here. Ugly dudes just scream insecurity when they look like that. And that would be right.
I dunno why it doesn't click, are models, top tier guys, the most desirable men in the world etc. bloated roiders?
Of course not, so why the f do some morons think that? Haha just incredible. It gives you nuts the size of grapes.
no ab genetics?
We know what you look like troony and Id rather look like nick walker and die at 35 than spend a day as you
That's cool bro, still got laid more than you lol so LOL @ ur life.
Open class bodybuilding isn't about being attractive or asthetic - Nick knows this, he's going for the crazy freak factor. That's why he doesn't get his varicose veins sorted out too. He wants to look like a monster on stage
If you pct right and arent past hthe anatty limit and keep going to the gym you can keep the muscles,
or you can just blaaast 200 mg of test which will prevent it going away
>you can keep the muscles
They could, but they won't. There's a learning curve to building muscle as a natty and if you skip it then you will not stay big once you get off of the drugs.
>everyone who roids starts pinning the first time they set foot in a gym
moron
Bullshit. Stop fearmongering here you beta.
Roidtroony cope
You will lose your muscles too if you stop working out for a few months as a natty, you would know if you had any to lose
Do israelites really pay people to shill against male hormones?
They might not be roiding. They might all just be like 5'6
sigh. i have a feeling i would get addicted to the mental side of doing a cycle and never getting off. people say they wake up feeling energetic and can crush their workouts, it sounds too good to be true. i also don’t want to go bald or decrease my lifespan. i’ve been lifting for 3 years and still look like shit and depressed. it’s not that i want it to be easy but damn it would be nice to have a little cheat code.
i’ll be getting my test levels checked and go from there.
Change your routine. Do you? People get stuck in the same lifting cycle. Try high intensity training to even contacting the muscles with light weights. I work hard and never grew at one point, so I did the old time training, tiny weight while contacting the muscle, felt like a waste of time, and was hard to break the regular workout schedule, but 6 weeks on and I gained half an inch on the arms. The fastest growth I have ever had.
I have tried PPL, brosplit, Upper/lower and full body workouts.
My diet is good, not perfect but good. Good macros. I tried progressive overload yet every time I would fail my lifts despite gaining weight. After deloading I would try again and simply plateau at the same weight. It was extremely demotivating and now I don’t even track my lifts anymore because i wasn’t getting stronger.
I will look into the low weight training. I have the discipline in me to give a proper schedule a chance again, i’ll need to figure out what exactly and give it a final shot.
I used pic related. If anything, you will develop a greater mind to muscle connection. A thing most people blasting music in the gym forget about, and yet for some people very important.
Also eccentric contraction of the muscle is super important. I will curl in 1 second, and take 3 to lower the weight.
Can you pls upload it somewhere? Can't find it anywhere on the internet.
There is a lit board on here 😉
>http://library.lol/main/5184A4C7AE1267A1361928A27AA3921C
Click the "Get" link at the top.
Progressive overload is so demontaing I think they tell us this meme so we buy their shittu courses. Without roids I just dont see the point in progressive overload.
There is a 50% chance that you are using the word progressive overload to refer to linear progression.
What exactly did you do during your progressive overload? How much weight did you try to add, and how frequently?
The funny thing is that ChatGPT threads are higher quality than the ones made by “humans”
levels playfield as long as there are weight classes. Soccer for example is all about skill, because the naturally small and weak but techincally skilled players can do steroids, like Messi.
Literally all of those people have physiques that are attainable natty. People are just too dogmatic and lazy to get results. They listen to something that is meant for beginners and insist that that will work for the rest of time, then call everyone who is bigger than them or leaner than them frauds.
roids?
He looks beta af
Little nattylet
no, just a manlet
Roid King
5'2"
looks 4'11"
average men are shit
Not taking them is an act of fundamental negligence.
“If I take these pills, I’ll become stronger.”
“If I inject this, I’ll become stronger.”
Anyone who knows that and isn’t using is half-assing it.
noble natties seething itt
You will never be a natty. You have no drive, you are a cheater, you have no genetics. You are a roidtroony twisted by needles and vials into a crude mockery of natures perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Gymgoers are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “gymbros” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even roiders who dont have gyno look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to put on some muscle it all going to come off once you stop pinning your needles.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your steroids, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a roidtrany is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably natural.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
It's completely necessary to surpass 25ffmi. It makes sitting at 23-25ffmi easier but you pay for it with the hassle of roiding. It won't take you anywhere you don't already know how to go. We live in a just world whether you believe it or not.
This was the average man 100 years ago. It was likely the average man all through history.
Until recently. The explosion of drugs and mental illness. Mass body dysmorphia.
>the average man all through history.
>history
Maybe. But history only covers the last ~5k years when most men have been farm cattle.
Humans in their natural habitat - hunting and gathering - don't look like that. DYELs? Absolutely. Skinnyfat? Never.
I strongly agree. The pic from 100 years ago was after the start of eating all the processed junk like bread, cakes, alcohol, biscuits.
This all said for completely average men when age is taken into account pretty sure they beat the pants off the modern average.
Now let's see a bunch of farmers or labourers from that time and not individuals who never undertook any strength exercises other than pushing the odd piece of furniture or carrying a few books. Maybe a bit of cricket or hunting.
2/2
However I wouldn't say those guys look dyel at all. They look like they lift. They don't lift, but clearly whatever they're doing involves strength and builds their muscles, their testosterone would also be a lot higher than modern man.
They look essentially like perfect specimens of a human male - and what else would be expected considering they are living in an environment they are perfectly well adapted for. Everything else is body dysmorphia and conditioning.
How to toespread-max??? I'm tired of having my feet cucked by modern footware.
those are definitely upper class men who never did any physical labor
Cecil you look like shit stop giving people advice
Post ur self lol @ u.
>Cecil you look like shit
Oh yeah not to mention I am a personal trainer and train mahreens.
Oh u so mad lolz.
People can do whatever they want but I'm going to take advantage of all technology that will improve my life. Steroids are just like any other tech, it can help you if leverage it properly.
Been natty lifting for 15 years or something
I peaked my bodybuilding stats at 274lbs@8% bf @ 6'4
I'm now sitting around 315lbs still under 20% bf chasing a 600lb deadlift
People who don't figure out how to make gains continually natty are so stupid
You have to do something you've never done to get things you've never had
post body
Unfair advantage in what? Life isn't a competition 99% of the time. Nornal people don't think about mugging eachother. Nobody cares how much you bench outside of being juat basically strong. Sure sometimes people mire and women like bug muscles but for the vast majority of your day it makes literally 0 difference. Its not cheating because nobody else is fricking playing against you. Unless you're an athlete in which case you are cheating and you are a homosexual.
t. Fraud
I'm gonna do some light roiding cause I like going to the gym and training hard but recovering from it is beginning to negatively impact my life, end of story.
It's not "cheating" really, it's just stupid to make your body become dependant on them to function and if you ever quit for some reason you crash below sedentary natties. And don't give me "muh pct", I know a lot of people who were very strict and regemented about their "muh pct" and it didn't help them, it's like wrapping yourself in bubble wrap during a car crash.
Most motherfrickers don't even achieve half their potential before they get on the juice, and they compete at all of jack and shit, so there's not even a field to hypothetically level.