same
depression and anxiety for 15 years, it killed my hormones too
Same bros, I excercise, mediate 30 mins daily, no weed, booze, caffiene or cigarettes, I don't want porn at all
And from 6am until around 1-2pm I am insanely anxious, frequently dissociating + borderline panic attack
I've lost my job now and have become a depressed neet
I used to take SSRIs which worked great, but stopped working about 6 years in, tried every other one since to no avail
Supposed to start EMDR next week and if that doesn't work, I'm roping
I refuse to let myself become agoraphobic, so I still interact with my few friends + family, and if not I walk around town and talk to the cashiers at shops
Usually leads to me dissociating but I force myself to stick it out and keep doing it so it doesn't become worse
>Same bros, I excercise, mediate 30 mins daily, no weed, booze, caffiene or cigarettes, I don't want porn at all > * spends 18 hours a day in front of a screen > HURRRR WHAT COULD IT BE?!?!
smartphone addled zoomer husk
this is probably it tbqh or at least the majority of it
I refuse to let myself become agoraphobic, so I still interact with my few friends + family, and if not I walk around town and talk to the cashiers at shops
Usually leads to me dissociating but I force myself to stick it out and keep doing it so it doesn't become worse
that's good, I find that doing this even more frequently helps
caffeine being bad is a meme, especially if you are depressed just a little bit can give you the energy and mood boost to get shit done
oh yeah, also ask a doctor or prescriber for a low dosage of wellbutrin (bupropion). way better than SSRIs, gives you energy, higher libido, helps with weight loss and quitting smoking.
unironically a glass of wine with a nice dinner in the evening can be very nice. one time after a hard week I cooked oysters, which IST told me are a test boost (lol). I think they do have a lot of nutrients. I cooked quinoa or something and steamed some vegetables and had two glasses of wine, I felt much better afterwards.
You wear a headset that measures your brain waves and then you do a kind of meditation. The headset gives you positive feedback when you produce brain waves that are associated with good mental states and negative feedback for bad mental states.
I usually watch a YT video and when my brain waves become bad, because I'm unfocussed or something, the screen goes black, then when I snap back the video continues playing normally.
It's very effective for ADHD but it also works for depression and anxiety and I find it much more pleasant than talk therapy, although I do both.
maybe I'm reaching but a change in your diet might help. Sounds like your diet might be immaculate, what worked for me is I added more fat into my diet. Hopes this helps
I used to have the same thing.
Now I did a whole bunch of things: got in really good shape, low bodyfat, don't eat inflammatory foods, fixed hairloss and all other insecurities. And then a strong dose of "it is what it is".
The truth is, there is always a reason. You don't just have anxiety because you have anxiety. You need to find that reason.
Now I am completely calm every single day. No problems whatsoever. Also never taken SSRIs or any type of drug.
>am insanely anxious, frequently dissociating + borderline panic attack >used to take SSRIs
do you read what you write? or do you just flap your fingers on the keyboard, smash Post, and never actually listen to what you say/write?
nta but i've been on zoloft for 3 months 10 years ago and I think it actually fricked me up even in that little time. Im doing somewhat ok nowadays tho.
low carb high meat makes me depressed af for some reason >no energy >constant dread >panic attacks
What is going on
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Same bros, I excercise, mediate 30 mins daily, no weed, booze, caffiene or cigarettes, I don't want porn at all
And from 6am until around 1-2pm I am insanely anxious, frequently dissociating + borderline panic attack
I've lost my job now and have become a depressed neet
I used to take SSRIs which worked great, but stopped working about 6 years in, tried every other one since to no avail
Supposed to start EMDR next week and if that doesn't work, I'm roping
>borderline panic attack
What does that even mean? Did you try theanine?
caffeine being bad is a meme, especially if you are depressed just a little bit can give you the energy and mood boost to get shit done
>caffeine being bad is a meme
this is kinda true. Im off the caffeine for 2 months and my depression is worsen although im 'calmer'
try boosting your glutathione levels to tolerate caffeine better.
long story: >blast and cruise test >entire adult life tolerated caffeine very poorly >up till 1am, never eating, anxious etc >take milk thistle for liver support cuz test >same week reintroduced PWO after 6 months off >caffeine is in and out of my system in hours, no crash, just a slow return to baseline >in bed at 9pm even if i had a coffee at 1pm
there's more than 1 way to boost glutathione. something to think about. also no, trt does not effect my ability to handle caff, i've tried it several times on it to same effect until also taking milk thistle.
>Im off the caffeine for 2 months and my depression is worsen although im 'calmer'
When I only had depression I could manage the symptoms well with absurd amounts of coffee but once I also developed anxiety my life really went to shit.
Yeah caffeine does make anxiety worse but I think people assume that depression and anxiety are inherently interlinked in some way and I don't think that's always the case.
If you're choosing to restrict carbs then you need to eat very high fat and protein. You can't just eat muscle meat. You're better off just eating a moderate amount of carbs.
i think the first thing to sort out is it sounds like you're stressed about being stressed, unironically therapy videos on regulating emotional affect are a good resource
as a physiological intervention try to make your level of stimulation throughout the day be a steadily decreasing
stop using social media (including IST)
invest in some good noise reduction earmuffs if that's bothering you
diet, exercise, sleep, read more, vitamin d, fish oil, blahblahblah
Just stop worrying, it's all gonna end one day, appreciate all you have and focus on getting what you want, being afraid of wasting your life is meaningless, all memories of existence will vanish as soon as you die, so just frick it
My theory on my moronation: >be predisposed to neuroticism + addiction >dad is similar and has OCD + anger issues >he physically abuses me as a little guy >stuff like the “why you little” Simpsons choke >transitions to emotional abuse as I hit puberty >berated daily after school >even if I do everything right, he’ll find a way to lay into me >learn that nothing matters >stop trying >addicted to vidya for escapism + some of the only positive memories I had with dad as a young kid >succeed but underachieve >afraid to do more because I know I’ll fail >chronic anxiety + depression as a result
I’m mad because I know I could be more, and I try to push towards that. I have a good job, a family, a solid physique, a home, and more, but it’s hard to me to do basic shit sometimes. I just need to keep forcing myself to do the stuff I’m afraid of. Trying to do better for my own kids, mostly.
take it easy bro lol
no seriously eat a lot of meat with clean carbs (fruit, vegetables, white rice) don't be a ketoschizo but don't be a grain peasant either
If you can regularly do a few hours at a time, start there. You can easily clear 15km/9mi in that time.
Sights, sounds, smells, environments, humidities, elevations, etc, the more of these you can include, the better you will feel.
The way a dog will misbehave and turn the house to shit if you dont give it structure, work, relax, and play - your brain is the same. You desperately need the stimulation.
The other half of this equation is letting your thoughts wander, too. It's active meditation, find a flow state where you're just walkin and talkin. There's a whole other person in there you aren't familiar enough with.
>oh my science in this irreproducible study they fed 30 transqueer disabled nonbinary kinfolk hamster treats and we brain imaged them while they shit themselves in the MRI machine and the image looked a bit different therefore free-will doesnt exist
i hate him so fricking much
Life finally broke me and I've got on the zogpills. Hate it, but it was the only way.
Gotta sort my life out, which is gonna be a fricking mess. All in all, last year was the worst of my life, this year is gonna be hard, and I feel like ngmi
Yes it does. I used to work a job I hated to the core of my heart that destroyed my body as well. One time I fell stomach first on a garbage bin frame and gave myself internal bleeding for month, got my hand sucked into machenry and popped my fingers out, it healed in three months and work just as well today. One time I got a two inch splinter under my eyelid(not in the eye) and my boss saw me trying remove it, he yelled at me for dragging my feet and told me to stop being a b***h. Never went to a doctor as my job had no insurance or any benefit for that manor, so I would just work the pain away, like my dad would say. I held my volcano of seething like a champ and never showed it once while working because I had to work with people and its not fair to make their shitty life any worse, because somehow they were worse off than me. I would bleed from the ass, lungs, and nose daily hoping death would come. When I would get home I would have manic laughing attacks were I would cry from laughing because I realized what a fricking clown I was. That was the only why I know how to cope with pain.
When I quit a month later the bleeding stop and healthy now. I wasted my 20s on a nowhere job. It was so bad that my only copping mechanism lost their fun overtime. So anons don't frick yourself like I did. If you hate something QUIT NOW. If you feel a urge to do something like start a business or hobby, DO IT and don't think. I over analysis every dream which lead me to nothing, because fear of failure would set in, but I failed by not doing it. Also learn how to spot narcissists, he fricked me up was so good that he made me self gas light myself for 9 years.
Get a large variety of anti oxidants, it's the only thing that combats the damage caused by stress. (Read about oxidative stress)
You can only get a large variety of anti oxidants by eating plants. Getting a lot of a single one turns them into pro oxidants (stress) so no you can just eat animals if you want to combat stress
Different kind of stress. Exercise is the kind of stress that gets me up and puts me in the zone and increases mental acuity. Emotional stress is just debilitating.
You definitely should adjust your training routine if you are very stressed. Walking is good, long intense cardio produces a lot of cortisol for a prolonged time. Some people also do well with short HIT, but you should lower your overall load.
Emotional stress is not imaginary though, you can measure the change in stress hormones, real stress always happens in the body, even if it's something we would call psychological.
In theory yes, just enough to stimulate growth hormone.
But is also depends on your goals, I'm not in a position to care about aesthetics at this point, so I just do 2 exercises to failure, twice a week.
It doesnt necessirily kill, but it can heavily disrupt life, and is more common, than moderate smoking or drinking (with those you suffer either from heavy dependancy or genetic weakness and cancers).
Stress definitely disrupts everything
bros I have chronic stress and I can tell it's fricking killing me slowly what do I do
I need help
same
depression and anxiety for 15 years, it killed my hormones too
Same bros, I excercise, mediate 30 mins daily, no weed, booze, caffiene or cigarettes, I don't want porn at all
And from 6am until around 1-2pm I am insanely anxious, frequently dissociating + borderline panic attack
I've lost my job now and have become a depressed neet
I used to take SSRIs which worked great, but stopped working about 6 years in, tried every other one since to no avail
Supposed to start EMDR next week and if that doesn't work, I'm roping
How often do you socialize? Might be the missing puzzle piece, or at least one of them
I refuse to let myself become agoraphobic, so I still interact with my few friends + family, and if not I walk around town and talk to the cashiers at shops
Usually leads to me dissociating but I force myself to stick it out and keep doing it so it doesn't become worse
>Same bros, I excercise, mediate 30 mins daily, no weed, booze, caffiene or cigarettes, I don't want porn at all
> * spends 18 hours a day in front of a screen
> HURRRR WHAT COULD IT BE?!?!
smartphone addled zoomer husk
this is probably it tbqh or at least the majority of it
that's good, I find that doing this even more frequently helps
Stop projecting, I spend 2 hours a day max looking at screens
oh only 2 hours frying your brain with trash? WOW
also youre lying. keep scrooooollling and simultaneously whining about your trash life, moron
How do you even manage under 2 hours of screen in 2024?
are you seriously asking that question? i sometimes forget just how far gone from actual reality zoomers really are
caffeine being bad is a meme, especially if you are depressed just a little bit can give you the energy and mood boost to get shit done
oh yeah, also ask a doctor or prescriber for a low dosage of wellbutrin (bupropion). way better than SSRIs, gives you energy, higher libido, helps with weight loss and quitting smoking.
Sounds familiar. Cold therapy and ashwagandha have helped me recently, but I still struggle.
Stop drinking every day and much of that will go away. Also, do whatever you can to get more sleep.
I said that I don't drink ever
Maybe take up drinking
unironically a glass of wine with a nice dinner in the evening can be very nice. one time after a hard week I cooked oysters, which IST told me are a test boost (lol). I think they do have a lot of nutrients. I cooked quinoa or something and steamed some vegetables and had two glasses of wine, I felt much better afterwards.
Try neurofeedback if emdr doesn't work.
What's neurofeedback?
You wear a headset that measures your brain waves and then you do a kind of meditation. The headset gives you positive feedback when you produce brain waves that are associated with good mental states and negative feedback for bad mental states.
I usually watch a YT video and when my brain waves become bad, because I'm unfocussed or something, the screen goes black, then when I snap back the video continues playing normally.
It's very effective for ADHD but it also works for depression and anxiety and I find it much more pleasant than talk therapy, although I do both.
maybe I'm reaching but a change in your diet might help. Sounds like your diet might be immaculate, what worked for me is I added more fat into my diet. Hopes this helps
I used to have the same thing.
Now I did a whole bunch of things: got in really good shape, low bodyfat, don't eat inflammatory foods, fixed hairloss and all other insecurities. And then a strong dose of "it is what it is".
The truth is, there is always a reason. You don't just have anxiety because you have anxiety. You need to find that reason.
Now I am completely calm every single day. No problems whatsoever. Also never taken SSRIs or any type of drug.
>am insanely anxious, frequently dissociating + borderline panic attack
>used to take SSRIs
do you read what you write? or do you just flap your fingers on the keyboard, smash Post, and never actually listen to what you say/write?
nta but i've been on zoloft for 3 months 10 years ago and I think it actually fricked me up even in that little time. Im doing somewhat ok nowadays tho.
You might have a chemical imbalance in your brain. Try some antidepressants. There's no shame in it especially if your brain has an imbalance.
Same bro, it kills my boners during sex sometimes, too
BROS IS THIS THE REASON??????
its sad af and is making my gf sad, had to explain its not her my brain is all fricked up, what can we do against this?
Eat a low carb diet with plenty of meat
low carb high meat makes me depressed af for some reason
>no energy
>constant dread
>panic attacks
What is going on
>borderline panic attack
What does that even mean? Did you try theanine?
>caffeine being bad is a meme
this is kinda true. Im off the caffeine for 2 months and my depression is worsen although im 'calmer'
try boosting your glutathione levels to tolerate caffeine better.
long story:
>blast and cruise test
>entire adult life tolerated caffeine very poorly
>up till 1am, never eating, anxious etc
>take milk thistle for liver support cuz test
>same week reintroduced PWO after 6 months off
>caffeine is in and out of my system in hours, no crash, just a slow return to baseline
>in bed at 9pm even if i had a coffee at 1pm
there's more than 1 way to boost glutathione. something to think about. also no, trt does not effect my ability to handle caff, i've tried it several times on it to same effect until also taking milk thistle.
>tolerate caffeine better.
So that would turn me functional with the boost of caffeine?
>Im off the caffeine for 2 months and my depression is worsen although im 'calmer'
When I only had depression I could manage the symptoms well with absurd amounts of coffee but once I also developed anxiety my life really went to shit.
so you quit now?
Yeah caffeine does make anxiety worse but I think people assume that depression and anxiety are inherently interlinked in some way and I don't think that's always the case.
If you're choosing to restrict carbs then you need to eat very high fat and protein. You can't just eat muscle meat. You're better off just eating a moderate amount of carbs.
i think the first thing to sort out is it sounds like you're stressed about being stressed, unironically therapy videos on regulating emotional affect are a good resource
as a physiological intervention try to make your level of stimulation throughout the day be a steadily decreasing
stop using social media (including IST)
invest in some good noise reduction earmuffs if that's bothering you
diet, exercise, sleep, read more, vitamin d, fish oil, blahblahblah
>stressed about being stressed,
this is one of the worst parts tbqh
Just stop worrying, it's all gonna end one day, appreciate all you have and focus on getting what you want, being afraid of wasting your life is meaningless, all memories of existence will vanish as soon as you die, so just frick it
Honestly just jerk off, not to porn but just to destress
When I try jerking off without foreskin it's just depressing. I don't even try anymore.
My theory on my moronation:
>be predisposed to neuroticism + addiction
>dad is similar and has OCD + anger issues
>he physically abuses me as a little guy
>stuff like the “why you little” Simpsons choke
>transitions to emotional abuse as I hit puberty
>berated daily after school
>even if I do everything right, he’ll find a way to lay into me
>learn that nothing matters
>stop trying
>addicted to vidya for escapism + some of the only positive memories I had with dad as a young kid
>succeed but underachieve
>afraid to do more because I know I’ll fail
>chronic anxiety + depression as a result
I’m mad because I know I could be more, and I try to push towards that. I have a good job, a family, a solid physique, a home, and more, but it’s hard to me to do basic shit sometimes. I just need to keep forcing myself to do the stuff I’m afraid of. Trying to do better for my own kids, mostly.
>>even if I do everything right, he’ll find a way to lay into me
I had the same thing. I wonder how it affected me.
Have you heard of transcendental meditation?
not really, what's it supposed to do?
take it easy bro lol
no seriously eat a lot of meat with clean carbs (fruit, vegetables, white rice) don't be a ketoschizo but don't be a grain peasant either
Have you tried not giving a frick?
it's hard to do
>Don't give a frick
>Still suffer all the physical symptoms
WALK. IN. NATURE.
>hurr i do
Nowhere close to enough.
I was you, I knew nothing but pain and planning.
Walk in nature. Find yourself.
>>hurr i do
kek yeah, how much should it be?
If you can regularly do a few hours at a time, start there. You can easily clear 15km/9mi in that time.
Sights, sounds, smells, environments, humidities, elevations, etc, the more of these you can include, the better you will feel.
The way a dog will misbehave and turn the house to shit if you dont give it structure, work, relax, and play - your brain is the same. You desperately need the stimulation.
thanks anon
wagmi
Just remember where we as a species come from, when we diverged from that path, and how badly it's gone for us ever since. Find that path.
The other half of this equation is letting your thoughts wander, too. It's active meditation, find a flow state where you're just walkin and talkin. There's a whole other person in there you aren't familiar enough with.
If you're going to be low-T and depressed anyway, you might as well smoke some cheebs & enjoy yourself sometimes...
*ruins a generation of midwits*
>oh my science in this irreproducible study they fed 30 transqueer disabled nonbinary kinfolk hamster treats and we brain imaged them while they shit themselves in the MRI machine and the image looked a bit different therefore free-will doesnt exist
i hate him so fricking much
Literally just don’t be stressed out, it’s all in your head.
And heart disease kills more than all the shit you just mentioned
Life finally broke me and I've got on the zogpills. Hate it, but it was the only way.
Gotta sort my life out, which is gonna be a fricking mess. All in all, last year was the worst of my life, this year is gonna be hard, and I feel like ngmi
take cypro
Yes it does. I used to work a job I hated to the core of my heart that destroyed my body as well. One time I fell stomach first on a garbage bin frame and gave myself internal bleeding for month, got my hand sucked into machenry and popped my fingers out, it healed in three months and work just as well today. One time I got a two inch splinter under my eyelid(not in the eye) and my boss saw me trying remove it, he yelled at me for dragging my feet and told me to stop being a b***h. Never went to a doctor as my job had no insurance or any benefit for that manor, so I would just work the pain away, like my dad would say. I held my volcano of seething like a champ and never showed it once while working because I had to work with people and its not fair to make their shitty life any worse, because somehow they were worse off than me. I would bleed from the ass, lungs, and nose daily hoping death would come. When I would get home I would have manic laughing attacks were I would cry from laughing because I realized what a fricking clown I was. That was the only why I know how to cope with pain.
When I quit a month later the bleeding stop and healthy now. I wasted my 20s on a nowhere job. It was so bad that my only copping mechanism lost their fun overtime. So anons don't frick yourself like I did. If you hate something QUIT NOW. If you feel a urge to do something like start a business or hobby, DO IT and don't think. I over analysis every dream which lead me to nothing, because fear of failure would set in, but I failed by not doing it. Also learn how to spot narcissists, he fricked me up was so good that he made me self gas light myself for 9 years.
Do you wear affliction?
Get a large variety of anti oxidants, it's the only thing that combats the damage caused by stress. (Read about oxidative stress)
You can only get a large variety of anti oxidants by eating plants. Getting a lot of a single one turns them into pro oxidants (stress) so no you can just eat animals if you want to combat stress
You know whats the most stressful thing for your body is? Exercise
You're welcome, slave
I exercise consistently and it barely touches my anxiety levels
Different kind of stress. Exercise is the kind of stress that gets me up and puts me in the zone and increases mental acuity. Emotional stress is just debilitating.
Emotional stress is imaginary, physical stress actually fricks you up, hence your brain bathing you in dopamine once its over
You definitely should adjust your training routine if you are very stressed. Walking is good, long intense cardio produces a lot of cortisol for a prolonged time. Some people also do well with short HIT, but you should lower your overall load.
Emotional stress is not imaginary though, you can measure the change in stress hormones, real stress always happens in the body, even if it's something we would call psychological.
so is the best course of action to do more intense lifting sessions to get it over faster?
In theory yes, just enough to stimulate growth hormone.
But is also depends on your goals, I'm not in a position to care about aesthetics at this point, so I just do 2 exercises to failure, twice a week.
It doesnt necessirily kill, but it can heavily disrupt life, and is more common, than moderate smoking or drinking (with those you suffer either from heavy dependancy or genetic weakness and cancers).
Stress definitely disrupts everything