>the deadlift is a great mass b- Posted on April 28, 2023 by Anonymous >the deadlift is a great mass b-
>thinking sumo builds any muscle
It's the same weight lifted by the same arms.
Using your hip joints as levers when one can't lift the same weight normally isn't the same and it isn't magic. Enjoy your future hip surgery.
You don't think you use your hip joint as a "lever" in a conventional deadlift?
Please use you pea sized brain
>What are legs even?
You don't think at all. Open your legs wide open like the woman you are. Your leg and hip joints are moving in a different manner as a conventional lift and allocating pressure completely differently.
You are not smart interpreting words and you wish your brain was as large as a pea.
You don't understand human anatomy or biomechanics. The hip joint does extension in both lifts. Difference is the hip flexors are more involved in a sumo deadlift
Yes, different muscle groups are engaged at higher-or-lower levels with a sumo lift versus a deadlift. We aren't arguing about how the concepts of human anatomy or biomechanics exist or not, we are arguing about the the mechanics of a sumo lift versus the mechanics of a conventional lift right? Biomechanics isn't my field of study, but fuck you I love learning.
Isn't sumo a form that engages muscles that should not be primarily engaged for this type of lift, such as rotator cuffs during a bench press; or in this case hip flexors in the sumo? Knowing biomechanics as you do on this anonymous basket weaving forum, what about the sumo lift isn't dangerous for long-term health vs. the spine compressing naturally as it can in a conventional? It seems to me like all shear force is directed towards your hips and is begging for major hip injuries when people think they can simply up their PR for deadlift without understanding the anatomy in play.
None of this is sarcasm or meant to be snarky, sumo looks dangerous to do wrongly. Which can be said about all lifts, but the sumo lift is repeatedly viewed and taken to up your deadlift significantly and that's what attracts people to try it.
This. Same goes for wide-stance low bar squats. They're basically cheating now and destroying your hips for later.
>it doesn't destroy your CNS because I say so!
I stopped deadlifting regularly after reaching 2.5pl8 for reps because it'd turn me into a useless vegetable the rest of the day. I don't care if it's CNS or just "normal" fatigue from baby weights, it was still draining.
I know right? One time I used a multiple pulley system to lift a 600 pound crate, and when I told people I could easily lift 600 lbs I faced a similar disbelief from DYEL weaklings
romanian deadlift is the only valid deadlift
American gym with new eleiko plates? (Mattie Rogers at Houston worlds in the poster)
Steroids are a great mass builder
I'm at 3/4/5 and I wonder what would happen if I roided
you'd get stronger and bigger
When I cut to single digits I'm already over 270
I don't know if I can get bigger
>I'm already over 270
Jesus, I notice this a lot people aim to get fit with exercise but just end up being unhealthy.
People often mistake things like bodybuilding/powerlifting/weightlifting as health endeavors, but they never have been.
My dad asked at the dinner table today if I felt any healthier since I started lifting with some discipline and all I could say was "idk I guess" because it's absolutely nowhere near important to me. I just want to get jacked
They can be though. This boomer at my gym lifted something past 1/2/3/4 decades ago and switched to just maintaining around half his once goals while doing other sports for fun. So good form, stretching, cardio, the whole deal. I'd say he's pretty healthy and I respect that.
>When I cut to single digits I'm already over 270
Absolutely delusional unless you're over 7 feet tall
That's Mr. Olympia tier
I don’t know bro, im in the same boat, lifts and weight at single digits are lower than yours but its probably the height difference (doubt you’re 270 9% at 5’11).
Honestly the only thing stopping me right now is the fact I don’t have kids yet. Why shouldn’t we really? Its obviously a hobby we are pasaionate about and are willing to invest years in why not taste the full version if we only live once.
How much do you think he could lift if he bulked?
Sumo cuts the range of motion.
His conventional deadlift is probably 200 kg or a little less.
I've been lifting for a while now, but still a noob on the actual mechanisms. Is that what happens when you rarely lift to failure?
No it's what happens when you lift high intensity with low volume whilst focusing on technique and probably not eating in much of a surplus. You train your cns to use your muscle mass more efficiently and fire your muscle fibres in sync (outside of the fact that he's doing a sumo deadlift which cuts ROM and is mechanically more advantageous). Potential strength of a muscle is dictated by cross sectional area of the muscle belly but it needs to be trained with strength specific stimulus to achieve the potential strength. It's why most bodybuilders aren't as strong as most powerlifters even with more muscle mass. You ofc can get guys who were strong like Ronnie Coleman who are huge but also he lifted heavy often.
Thanks for the answer, I must be seriously underslept to forget you need to eat to gain muscle. At least this site's anonymous.
Intensity as a programming variable is measured as a percent of 1rm
No it isn't, or if it is then whoever is doing the programming is an idiot. It's an objective measire, not a subjective one. A 5 rep set at 90% 1RM is totally different in terms of load on the body if it's 140kg or 340kg.
Objectively measured against what? The world record for that lift? Seems like a useless system for 99.5% of lifters
Christ every day there are some fucking stupid posts on here (ignoring the vegan reddit raiders). Yours is the dumbest of the day grats.
5pl8 isn't high intensity in terms of neurological or physiological load. If you can work at a reasonable percentage of your 1rm multiple times a week it's not high intensity
Jesus, you guys really are a bunch of nerds. No wonder you always complain about never getting laid.
He's tall and has fast metabolism.
This is it. He's got to be really tall, like 6'6. He has muscle but it's spread out so much that you can't see it. People are so obsessed with height around here you'd think they'd actually understand the first thing about it.
orm deadlifting is a risky business, some would say stupid, and that's part of why it makes it even more a pisspoor metric than other lift orms.
Why do people insist sumo is as difficult as conventional when it's so easy to disprove through simple mathematics?
if sumo was so easy, records will all be in sumo but it's not.
But cbum said sumo is cheating
Went to ipf website, out of 8 weight catehories only one world record isnt sumo
not a sport
no one cares
what the fuck are those numbers on the right? Like 66-kg person's world record is 65kg deadlift? Wtf?
All have done the 500 kg sumo deadlift with straps.
Eddie Hall had to use a suit and he fainted and Halfthor used a suit as well.
No other man has done the 500 kg conventional deadlift in training or in competition.
Please do explain the simple mathematics.
force x displacement = work
nta but if you look at the stats you'll see that more people pull sumo in the lower weight classes. this is because people in lower weight classes are generally shorter and can get in a more favorable sumo stance. as weight classes go up limbs get longer and longer limbs will at some point prevent people from getting into a proper sumo stance since they can't spread out as wide.
tldr: barbell width is universal, limb lengths are not. people with shorter limbs (lower weight) can abuse the ROM reduction of sumo more than people with larger limbs (higher weight)
This. It's the exact same as how you see the bullshit zero ROM benches happening in the lower weight classes because they're able to take a proportionately wider grip compared to big guys.
yep, candito has a good video about this, grip width by weight class is a good fix. instead IPF went with the retarded "bench depth" solution. there's not a clear fix for sumo tho, except banning it kek
>shorter limbs are better for sumo
no, shorter legs are better, you will get to lockout faster
longer arms are better, your lockout height will be lower to the floor
I meant that the longer your limbs are, the more weight you will carry because of the increased volume of muscle. your point about leverages is also true, just not really the point of my post
People aren't failing a 1rm from gassing out though, it's all about force production. You can either generate enough force or you can't.
Sumo is definitely easier for a set of 10 though.
Really? Is it? You don't flex anything almost anything but Ure butt? It's like saying planks will build you abs
I would literally kill a sumo deadlifter irl for no reason other than the fact that they do sumo
You idiot. The back has far more potential for strength than the legs, and most peoples backs are weak as fuck compared to their leg strength. Especially bodybuilders. Once you actually get strong, you will probably lift more conventional (depending on hip structure and limb/torso length). Retard bodybuilder.
Nothing in the scapula does hip extension you fucking retard
Scapular? What the fuck does the scapular have to do with this?
Ignore him, he's just some retard who goes around talking about the scapula on the powerlifting thread
You have musculature in your scapula with specific function. None of the muscles attatched to your scapula are used for hip extension. The deadlift and all forms of it are hip extension patterns.
that's nice but I once saw a webm of a guy struggling to deadlift 4 pl8 normally and then could do 725 pounds sumo
if sumo didn't let you get higher numbers for less work no one at all would do it
Yes, because he has weak back and strong legs. How hard is that understand? Why do most of the biggest strongest guys lift conventional? They could break records if they did similar according to your dumb logic.
if they did sumo*
because they wouldn't be big and strong in the first place if they did sumo
Ate you actually stupid? If you were on the verge of breaking a deadlift record but couldn't quite manage it, wouldn't you switch to sumo based on your logic? Why don't they? Only a few of the strong guys lift sumo, and they usually have long legs.
deadlift is a very technical lift, switching to shit you're not used to all of a sudden isn't going to work out
sumo is the lift of the eternal evermediate, quick immediate bigger numbers but you will always look like shit and be weak as fuck
You think top level powerlifters don't know the mechanics of the sumo deadlift? You think they wouldn't spend 5 years or more training it so they could beat their conventional records?
Imagine you're an elite powerlifter or strongman. Your max DL is 450kg. Surely you would see the opportunities and money that Eddie hall got when he pulled 500 and start training sumo to beat that record (if your logic is correct). I certainly would. I'd do anything to break records and make all that cash.
Strongman specifically bans sumo
> Why do most of the biggest strongest guys lift conventional?
1) it's CONVENTIONAL. ie, it's the proper standard lift and it's the one they've trained for, rather than doing some cheating bullshit cope
2) sumo cheating works better when you're shorter since you can get a proportionally wider stance. Those big 6'8 dudes doing World's Strongest Man and such don't get as much benefit from sumo because in order to get that ridiculous ROM decrease their leg stance would literally be wider than the distance of the barbell, so they can't do that.
3) sumo is banned in strongman, as it should be
That video was a bit of a meme, the conventional video was a couple years old and he pulled 600lbs conventional pretty soon after.
It's not just about numbers retard. Sumo focuses on different muscle group, you should be doing both. And the numbers you can sumo vs regular dl should not be compared anyways. Different lift, different category.
imagine if people made fun of mixed grippers and they responded "UH MIXED GRIP IS ACTUALLY HARDER BECAUSE UH UH UH REASONS. WHY DO I DO IT THEN UH UH UH SHUT UP THERE ARE GUYS STRONGER THAN ME WHO DO NORMAL GRIP SO IT'S NOT FUCKING EASIER"
Anons, I am tired of doing sets of singles and doubles once a week like an ego lifting retard and making barely any progress while absolutely destroying my CNS. wanna focus on quality reps now.
I can currently do 140kg for 2 reps, what weight should I use for 3 sets of 4-5 reps.
140kg for doubles isn't destroying your CNS. Deadlift twice a week working up to a 1x5 and another lighter session working at 3x6-8 or a 10, 8, 6 pyramid.
Go a little lighter than you think you should, for your 1x5 I'd pick 130kg and for the pyramid do 100, 110, 120
Forgot to mention the obvious-you should be able to progress linerarly on both these sessions for a few weeks.
sumotard actually thinks he's going to debate people into respecting his cheating LOL like just don't do it if it's not any easier???? oh but you will because getting over 4 pl8 means oh so much to you and you can't do it conventional
I don't pull sumo except in training. You would know if you training for powerlifting that you reach a point where your conventional overtakes your sumo (in most cases). Almost everyone starts sumo because noobs can lift more sumo.
the most retarded and useless exercise of all times
They're a fantastic addition to your leg day.
The absolute state of zoomer gym goes. Too afraid to do a great compound movement in training because fellow zoomers use it as an ego lift and he doesn't want to be judged.
>dyel too afraid to post body
I don't have any photos. I'm not a body dysmorphic bodybuilder like you.
ok have fun wasting your time on useless exercises and making 0 gains , genetic dead end
Do you actually think that a lift enabling a new lifter to lift more weight than any other lift is a useless exercise? I can't believe you are that stupid.
Do you even know the first thing about hypertrophy?
More weight does not equal more hypertrophy. It's about taking the target musculature to failure resulting in high degrees of mechanical tension for the muscle fibers.
In regards to the deadlift it is an unstable exercise, using a lot of different muscles, none of which are taken through a full range of motion.
In short it's useless. and also highly dependet on leverages. That's why you reguarly see skinny dyels with long arms who can look out just above their kneejoint pull large loads but still look like they've never participated in any physical exercise. See OP pic.
Op is doing sumo with knee wraps and a belt he might as well be doing a forth of the weight.
This must be bait.
Those are neoprene knee sleeves and not knee wraps.
Literally does zero for the deadlift
Please leave this board
The fact you know means you’re dyel
If hypertrophy is your only goal, you are somewhat correct. Some of us aren't gays obsessed with appearance. I will take my strength gains from sumo deadlifting and apply them to your girlfriend.
They build your spinal erectors and glutes, maybe a little bit of traps. That's about it.
baiting 80 IQ dyel ITT
do not engage
Every dyel deadlifter you see exclusively does sumo.
Imagine what ed could've pulled if he did sumo
He did do sumo but he did both and he said he would pull conventional most of the time until leading up to a meet. He also never did the damn near splits stance you see lanklets do.
His sumo pulls were cheating dude. Come on. They don't count.
?? yeahhh he's a super weak cheater?
Deadlifts in sets of 12 are a great mass builder. If you train 1-5 then no you won't be big.
It is. I built my back with them. I never row. The problem is people who do 1, take a 5 minute rest, do one more, take a rest and maybe get 2 more and that's it. Or they do 1 set of 5 (lol). To reap the hypertrophy benefits you need to drop the weight to say 80%, hit multiple triples, then drop it down to around 50% and do a bunch of touch and go sets for amrap.
This sounds retarded. I've never heard that you should do DL for volume
sumo does not count and never has
doing deadlifts if you aren't a powershitter is retarded 75% of the time
just do RDLs and isolate your traps and you'll mog anyone who deadlifts respectable weight
This is objectively wrong and you should feel bad about having posted it
Yeah don't listen to this moron.
As soon as I started incorporating deadlifts, I blew up in terms of strength and size.
>on anonymous image board
Yup it’s cringe at dyel time
Anecdotal evidence is all that matters.
>why yes, n=1, how could you tell
It can be, if you EAT TO GAIN MASS, retard.
Do you understand that there are boxers in weight classes from bantamweight to heavyweight, and that they don't all have the same mass because they're staying IN A WEIGHT CLASS as is the case with many powerlifters?
Trying to explain simple concepts to 90 lb. weaklings is tiresome. And you're also mad that some lanky kid can lift twice what you can, it must really suck.
How do I find a strong gym twink to lift with and trade brojobs after