FPBP
He looks like a skeleton in clothes and only teen girls think they want a man with this body.
I'm not saying you should get fat, but this guy is essentially bragging about abs as a spooky skeleton just like fat girls brag about their big boobs.
I've been fat, I've been skelly, I've been big and lean and now I'm around 15%.
Women unanimously prefer the last 2
I know you're baiting, but try not crying after having to kill two people in self defense, having hundreds of thousands of Twitter drones calling for your public hanging, and then going to court with the possibility of years in prison.
Kek, he went to murder people and lied about it. Just because they couldn't prove it in a court of law and he got away with it you think I'll go with your lies? Frick off. republicans ain't shit without the police covering their ass.
the police weren't covering kyle's ass. he was handed to you homosexuals on a silver platter and you couldn't put a mark on him. for the rest of your miserable pathetic life you'll always remember how a doughy, downsy teen made you all look like pussies.
>he went to murder people and lied about it
People can go around with the goal of killing people in self-defense at all times for all I care as long as it's actual self-defense. Didn't start shit, the people who started got killed, where's the fricking problem?
He's half right, with specific and anecdotal evidence presented as a blanket rule - so basically a standard ISTposter.
Bodyweight can make you 'athletic' and strong, but genetics play the biggest role in how 'aesthetic' you will be, where lifting can compensate for naturally occurring weak areas.
Weights provide more consistent results than bodyweight, and if your genetics allow for an aesthetic physique, great - but it's a moot point when those same genetics would yield even better results with weights.
Serious question: what does IST think of this kraft? I used to use him as workout motivation a few years back, but is this really doable natty with just calisthenics in the timeframe he claims? Or is he a blessed kraut with BGC genetics?
Let's just say it is doable for YOU in that time frame. Let's just assume it is. You realise you could get bigger in half the time if you just lifted weights? Lifting weights is way more efficient. You could go closer to failure since you can vary the weights, and you can isolate different muscles, and not just muscle but different movements of the muscles.
this, it's so much easier to get the right volume at the right intensity to get hypertrophy stimulus where you want it with weights as a natty. Not just less time on calendar less time working out in general.
Gaining lean mass is a progressively uphill battle over 25 so if you're starting late you have much stronger incentive to put your best foot forward which is weights. If you're 16 you got forever to frick around with this stuff and you're in your hormonal prime so might even makes gains from and women your age like skinnier guys anyway so if you lose you win. The game definitely changes as you get older though.
Cardio is gold though. There's no excuse not to do it. No amount of powerlifting can exempt you from the benefits of 70 minutes of cardio a week.
Is that his body in the picture? Looks like he has no arms and an underdeveloped chest, I would love to see his back and legs, for fun.
No? If you want to be aesthetic just lift specifically to be aesthetic. If you vant a v taper, focus shoulders and lats heavy. I'm for sure not doin calisthenics (pulls up are fun tho). I have a home gym as well.
Ultimately if you want to maximise health and the amount of young attractive women who want you inside of them (both of these things are pretty much the whole point of male fitness imo) then the body type posted by OP is ideal. Bloatloard powersharting is cope. Roidtroony bodybuilding is cope. Gym rats get defensive because they are insecure about their masculinity and think bigger/more muscle = better. It's not, at best people think damn that guys big and get on with their day. At worst you look like complete shit and make children want to cry.
Its a difficult pill to swallow that growing your hair long and getting a defined somewhat muscular twink body will get you more pussy and takes way less effort than bodybuilding and powersharting.
you dont just turn into a bloated powertroon overnight, the same is true for roidtrannies. for the average person the gym is the only place they will ever get close to looking good. if it was that easy to accidentally just turn 300lbs and total 1000lbs total then it wouldnt actually be a sport
None of that matters. Like I said, the purpose of mens fitness should be to get healthier and look more attractive to women, powersharting and roidtroonying does neither of those, so there's no point.
>none of that matters
no its the only thing that matters. you will not get a good body from running and calisthenics. it doesnt matter what powerlifters or bodybuilders do, normies in the gym arent going to become them without dedicated years long effort so its irrelevant
define 'good body'. OPs pic is a good body as its healthy and looks attractive, and that is achievable from cardio and calisthenics easily. bigger =/= better body
I unironically had that really lean runners phisique but (maybe due to body dismorphia) I rejected that look cause you look weak and twinklike.. because you ARE weak and twinklike and I did not like that about myself
also what is that cope about bodybuilders being fat when the whole point is to look good and lean to the point people fast before competition to be MAX lean
They don't care about physique in the sense that they don't have the willpower to put the fork down. They're well aware of their obesity which is why almost no powerlard ever goes shirtless
>train and compete in tour de france >win 1st place >some dude comes up to you >umm did you know cycling is shit cause you dont look as good as calisthenics athletes do shirtless, checkmate
this is example of ops and yours moronic argument, by definition if youre a powershitter you should train to win at your sport - being aesthetic doesnt matter at all to them >but they actually care and train for aesthetics and are moronic
then theyre not a powerlifter
>this is example of ops and yours moronic argument, by definition if youre a powershitter you should train to win at your sport - being aesthetic doesnt matter at all to them
everyone in /plg/ is way too fat for the baby weights they lift
anon is too concerned with aesthetics. telling people that they're not aesthetic reeks of insecurity. anon is insecure and anon should stop thinking like a homosexual
I would say its completely dependent on your bodyweight. I used to be 118lbs throughout grade school and did gymnastics + calisthenics. I got to maybe 121lbs at heaviest. I never looked strong but I did look fit.
After hitting the gym I am now 170lbs. Muscles are significantly bigger and do normal things like move furniture without much struggle.
yes, bodybuilders look like fricking chuds and every calisthenics bodyweightbro looks like some Greek statue
Calisthenics keeps you lean in order to be good at it, is mostly high rep so burns more calories and builds endurance, makes you more agile, and let's you move with greater ease.
Nobody gives a god damn if you hit a 4 plate diddy, but if you can do a headstand or planche everyone will respect it
you have to keep in mind normies don't know shit, so why they see some bodyweightbro bust out 20+ pullups they think he's superman
ideally you do calisthenics/weighted calisthenics for upper body and running/weight lifting for lower body
but alone calisthenics is more beneficial and will build a more beautiful body while also making you insanely strong
His advice is wrong for most people. Bodyweight exercise people have to figure out how to progress and end up trying stupid shit like 1000 pushups per day. With lifting weights you can add reps or eventually simply add more weight. Adding reps is great, but it feels like more of a milestone when you increase the weight and that keeps people motivated. Also, runners always get foot injuries and then they can't do shit, get depressed and then get fat because of it.
I have his book because I was a martial arts weeb, he mostly talks about using weight roughly in the 10 rep range with very controlled movements and do a ton of isometrics training on top, additionally cardio. For food he says to use a very high-protein diet and use protein shakes (for him: whey+raw egg+milk).
Do whatever resistance training you want and eat a low calorie/high protein diet and you will get a body like that.
My brother had a friend of his helping him on a kitchen tiling project. He had some fancy commercial oven that weighs 400lbs and he tried to get his friend with weakling twink physique to move the thing. Impossible.Did not budge. He called me and asked me to come over. We picked it right up and carried it across the room. Aerobics and body weight exercises are nice if you're a useless little girl who never does anything that actually requires strength or power.
I agree that leanness is most attractive. But you can lift weights and still be lean. There’s nothing inherently wrong with lifting weights. Just stay lean.
If you train strictly for being aesthetic you’re either a gay or use it as a cope for getting no pussy. Sorry I dont make the rules.
Rather be at around 15% bodyfat enjoying life. Have the capacity to actually use the body for sports other than soccer or some gay shit like that.
Not saying to be a fat frick either just to be strong, theres a sweet spot and both extremes have more negatives than positives
yeah he's basically correct, if your only goal is to look good, then all you need to do is do any physical exercize at least 4x a week, ans eat clean/get lean
lifting weights is necessary to gain mass and power, not to meet the minimal requirements of being aesthetic
Hes basically right, but the way he brushed over isolating muscles is kinda misleading. You dont need to use weights to be aesthetic, but you WILL need to do that if you want to see results that you will ultimately be happy with. Even if youre just looking to be an ottermode frickboi, youll wanna at least do curls and benches to maximize the contrast between your lean washboard swimmers abs and your broad shoulders and bulging biceps. None of its necessary, but you're cheating yourself if you dont.
Majority of people who start lifting or bodyweight will never look super good, it requires hard training, diet and lifestyle change if you're typical fast food eating sedentary office drone.
If you 100% focused on your training and recovery it doesnt matter much as long as you progress steadily and push yourself.
In fact splitting bodyweight onlyweights only is pretty moronic, you can mix both in a way that satisfactory for you.
>Eat no calories >Only train your calves and let your body eat your muscles for power because you're running 7km a day on a deficit
I may be DYEL but at least I'm getting the good ending
>Bodyweight exercises are much better to get lean and aesthetic physique.
They force you into a higher rep range for most movements which is the only benefit I can imagine. Weightlifting with a comparable program is no different. >Running 30 min a day for 3-5 days a week is a great way to stay lean etc.
Yes. If you have no other specific fitness goals, ideally you should aim for 2.5h of LISS cardio and 30minutes of highet intensity cardio a week. Your heart needs exercise and burning extra calories makes it easier to maintain low BF. Any form of prolonged cardio will do, but running is the most accessible.
>The rest
Dunno if it's meant seriously, but the calisthenicgay vs powershitter shitflinging is just boring to me. Everybody knows what a good looking body looks like, what a strong body can do. You can bulk up for a time, but hardly anyone likes being "too fat". Don't undervalue stretching as well, all this movement is taxing.
Textbook weakling cope
Nah he's 100% right, you're just a fat bodybuilder
Post body.
You won't.
Make with haste a photograph of your fizek, homosexual.
>t. roidtroony
FPBP
He looks like a skeleton in clothes and only teen girls think they want a man with this body.
I'm not saying you should get fat, but this guy is essentially bragging about abs as a spooky skeleton just like fat girls brag about their big boobs.
I've been fat, I've been skelly, I've been big and lean and now I'm around 15%.
Women unanimously prefer the last 2
>only teen girls think they want a man with this body
prime pussy then?
i always giggle when someone on here tell me they can beat me up, like homie i carry a gun frick around and find out
Big tuff Kyle Rittenhouse here!
You would cry like a b***h on the stand just like he did. Lucky you're a white guy living in some racist place or you'd already be dead. b***h.
Quit your Black person babble moron.
my boy kyle merked 3 israelite pedos and walked away with a 10/10 gf and millions of dollars. Id cry on the stand for that in a heart beat. FAFO
This is the zoomer mindset. Cry, lie, cheat and steal. That's what makes you a man nowadays I guess.
yeah, natural selection is back baby
You can't breed. Post current body.
i already have with your mum
I know you're baiting, but try not crying after having to kill two people in self defense, having hundreds of thousands of Twitter drones calling for your public hanging, and then going to court with the possibility of years in prison.
Kek, he went to murder people and lied about it. Just because they couldn't prove it in a court of law and he got away with it you think I'll go with your lies? Frick off. republicans ain't shit without the police covering their ass.
this is such poor bait its almost sad
>implying some deep blue tier reddit democrat would know what kek means or use it
>or would browse fricking IST
you are genuinely moronic anon, i dont say this lightly but you need to relook at how you spend your life
Oh wow ur speshul sekret klub and safe space has been invaded!!! It's a raid!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY CANNOT KNOW
I really hope you're serious.
Lol you're a gay
mad
You're the one sperging out about people carrying guns, seethe more.
I will personally kill anyone who works at reddit hq and then torch the servers you homosexual
the police weren't covering kyle's ass. he was handed to you homosexuals on a silver platter and you couldn't put a mark on him. for the rest of your miserable pathetic life you'll always remember how a doughy, downsy teen made you all look like pussies.
>he went to murder people and lied about it
People can go around with the goal of killing people in self-defense at all times for all I care as long as it's actual self-defense. Didn't start shit, the people who started got killed, where's the fricking problem?
I wish the holocaust was real
Gr8 h8 b8 m8, r8 8/8.
IST will bite
He's half right, with specific and anecdotal evidence presented as a blanket rule - so basically a standard ISTposter.
Bodyweight can make you 'athletic' and strong, but genetics play the biggest role in how 'aesthetic' you will be, where lifting can compensate for naturally occurring weak areas.
Weights provide more consistent results than bodyweight, and if your genetics allow for an aesthetic physique, great - but it's a moot point when those same genetics would yield even better results with weights.
Whatever you could build using bodyweight exercises in 5 years, you could build that lifting weights in 6 months.
Serious question: what does IST think of this kraft? I used to use him as workout motivation a few years back, but is this really doable natty with just calisthenics in the timeframe he claims? Or is he a blessed kraut with BGC genetics?
Let's just say it is doable for YOU in that time frame. Let's just assume it is. You realise you could get bigger in half the time if you just lifted weights? Lifting weights is way more efficient. You could go closer to failure since you can vary the weights, and you can isolate different muscles, and not just muscle but different movements of the muscles.
Agreed. If it's about size, lift weights.
this, it's so much easier to get the right volume at the right intensity to get hypertrophy stimulus where you want it with weights as a natty. Not just less time on calendar less time working out in general.
Gaining lean mass is a progressively uphill battle over 25 so if you're starting late you have much stronger incentive to put your best foot forward which is weights. If you're 16 you got forever to frick around with this stuff and you're in your hormonal prime so might even makes gains from and women your age like skinnier guys anyway so if you lose you win. The game definitely changes as you get older though.
Cardio is gold though. There's no excuse not to do it. No amount of powerlifting can exempt you from the benefits of 70 minutes of cardio a week.
of course it's not it's some instragram guy
i dont care what you say, you will never get big with calisthenics, id go as far as saying neither will you get big with weighted calisthenics either.
there are 2 people who do calisthenics: teenagers (dyel, wont make it) and poors (dyel, wont make it). everyone else is in the gym pushing P
No? If you want to be aesthetic just lift specifically to be aesthetic. If you vant a v taper, focus shoulders and lats heavy. I'm for sure not doin calisthenics (pulls up are fun tho). I have a home gym as well.
Also being lean more has to do with your diet.
You're lying to yourself if you don't just say all three are beneficial, especially when in tandem with each other
Ultimately if you want to maximise health and the amount of young attractive women who want you inside of them (both of these things are pretty much the whole point of male fitness imo) then the body type posted by OP is ideal. Bloatloard powersharting is cope. Roidtroony bodybuilding is cope. Gym rats get defensive because they are insecure about their masculinity and think bigger/more muscle = better. It's not, at best people think damn that guys big and get on with their day. At worst you look like complete shit and make children want to cry.
Its a difficult pill to swallow that growing your hair long and getting a defined somewhat muscular twink body will get you more pussy and takes way less effort than bodybuilding and powersharting.
you dont just turn into a bloated powertroon overnight, the same is true for roidtrannies. for the average person the gym is the only place they will ever get close to looking good. if it was that easy to accidentally just turn 300lbs and total 1000lbs total then it wouldnt actually be a sport
None of that matters. Like I said, the purpose of mens fitness should be to get healthier and look more attractive to women, powersharting and roidtroonying does neither of those, so there's no point.
>none of that matters
no its the only thing that matters. you will not get a good body from running and calisthenics. it doesnt matter what powerlifters or bodybuilders do, normies in the gym arent going to become them without dedicated years long effort so its irrelevant
define 'good body'. OPs pic is a good body as its healthy and looks attractive, and that is achievable from cardio and calisthenics easily. bigger =/= better body
cardio + lifting is just better anon, this thread has already been done to death
Is that his body in the picture? Looks like he has no arms and an underdeveloped chest, I would love to see his back and legs, for fun.
I unironically had that really lean runners phisique but (maybe due to body dismorphia) I rejected that look cause you look weak and twinklike.. because you ARE weak and twinklike and I did not like that about myself
also what is that cope about bodybuilders being fat when the whole point is to look good and lean to the point people fast before competition to be MAX lean
he mixed up bodybuilding with powershitting, aside from that he's spot on
ok, tho powershitters dont care about phisique so that part of ops point is void aka
>you dont lift for looks
>you dont look good
They don't care about physique in the sense that they don't have the willpower to put the fork down. They're well aware of their obesity which is why almost no powerlard ever goes shirtless
>train and compete in tour de france
>win 1st place
>some dude comes up to you
>umm did you know cycling is shit cause you dont look as good as calisthenics athletes do shirtless, checkmate
this is example of ops and yours moronic argument, by definition if youre a powershitter you should train to win at your sport - being aesthetic doesnt matter at all to them
>but they actually care and train for aesthetics and are moronic
then theyre not a powerlifter
>this is example of ops and yours moronic argument, by definition if youre a powershitter you should train to win at your sport - being aesthetic doesnt matter at all to them
everyone in /plg/ is way too fat for the baby weights they lift
how do i get a body like guy in OP's pic only using rings?
anon is too concerned with aesthetics. telling people that they're not aesthetic reeks of insecurity. anon is insecure and anon should stop thinking like a homosexual
I would say its completely dependent on your bodyweight. I used to be 118lbs throughout grade school and did gymnastics + calisthenics. I got to maybe 121lbs at heaviest. I never looked strong but I did look fit.
After hitting the gym I am now 170lbs. Muscles are significantly bigger and do normal things like move furniture without much struggle.
It's pure cope from a genuine homosexual.
yes, bodybuilders look like fricking chuds and every calisthenics bodyweightbro looks like some Greek statue
Calisthenics keeps you lean in order to be good at it, is mostly high rep so burns more calories and builds endurance, makes you more agile, and let's you move with greater ease.
Nobody gives a god damn if you hit a 4 plate diddy, but if you can do a headstand or planche everyone will respect it
you have to keep in mind normies don't know shit, so why they see some bodyweightbro bust out 20+ pullups they think he's superman
ideally you do calisthenics/weighted calisthenics for upper body and running/weight lifting for lower body
but alone calisthenics is more beneficial and will build a more beautiful body while also making you insanely strong
GIVE ME HIS ROUTINE
>bodyweight exercises
If we're talking about chin-ups, dips, BSS, and back extensions, then yes you'll get a lean aesthetic body.
My opinion is that I want to be an ugly powerful creature that people avoid.
His advice is wrong for most people. Bodyweight exercise people have to figure out how to progress and end up trying stupid shit like 1000 pushups per day. With lifting weights you can add reps or eventually simply add more weight. Adding reps is great, but it feels like more of a milestone when you increase the weight and that keeps people motivated. Also, runners always get foot injuries and then they can't do shit, get depressed and then get fat because of it.
Bruce Lee wasn't smashing protein shakes and destroying his joints in the gym. he was doing nunchucks and backflips.
According to Bruce Lee, Bruce lee was smashing protein shakes and destroying his joints in the gym
Training: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHc4086gn9M
Food: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bphOgC1gM7A
I have his book because I was a martial arts weeb, he mostly talks about using weight roughly in the 10 rep range with very controlled movements and do a ton of isometrics training on top, additionally cardio. For food he says to use a very high-protein diet and use protein shakes (for him: whey+raw egg+milk).
Do whatever resistance training you want and eat a low calorie/high protein diet and you will get a body like that.
>fat bodybuilder isn't attractive
strength is
My brother had a friend of his helping him on a kitchen tiling project. He had some fancy commercial oven that weighs 400lbs and he tried to get his friend with weakling twink physique to move the thing. Impossible.Did not budge. He called me and asked me to come over. We picked it right up and carried it across the room. Aerobics and body weight exercises are nice if you're a useless little girl who never does anything that actually requires strength or power.
I agree that leanness is most attractive. But you can lift weights and still be lean. There’s nothing inherently wrong with lifting weights. Just stay lean.
If you train strictly for being aesthetic you’re either a gay or use it as a cope for getting no pussy. Sorry I dont make the rules.
Rather be at around 15% bodyfat enjoying life. Have the capacity to actually use the body for sports other than soccer or some gay shit like that.
Not saying to be a fat frick either just to be strong, theres a sweet spot and both extremes have more negatives than positives
yeah he's basically correct, if your only goal is to look good, then all you need to do is do any physical exercize at least 4x a week, ans eat clean/get lean
lifting weights is necessary to gain mass and power, not to meet the minimal requirements of being aesthetic
Hes basically right, but the way he brushed over isolating muscles is kinda misleading. You dont need to use weights to be aesthetic, but you WILL need to do that if you want to see results that you will ultimately be happy with. Even if youre just looking to be an ottermode frickboi, youll wanna at least do curls and benches to maximize the contrast between your lean washboard swimmers abs and your broad shoulders and bulging biceps. None of its necessary, but you're cheating yourself if you dont.
Majority of people who start lifting or bodyweight will never look super good, it requires hard training, diet and lifestyle change if you're typical fast food eating sedentary office drone.
If you 100% focused on your training and recovery it doesnt matter much as long as you progress steadily and push yourself.
In fact splitting bodyweight onlyweights only is pretty moronic, you can mix both in a way that satisfactory for you.
>Eat no calories
>Only train your calves and let your body eat your muscles for power because you're running 7km a day on a deficit
I may be DYEL but at least I'm getting the good ending
>Bodyweight exercises are much better to get lean and aesthetic physique.
They force you into a higher rep range for most movements which is the only benefit I can imagine. Weightlifting with a comparable program is no different.
>Running 30 min a day for 3-5 days a week is a great way to stay lean etc.
Yes. If you have no other specific fitness goals, ideally you should aim for 2.5h of LISS cardio and 30minutes of highet intensity cardio a week. Your heart needs exercise and burning extra calories makes it easier to maintain low BF. Any form of prolonged cardio will do, but running is the most accessible.
>The rest
Dunno if it's meant seriously, but the calisthenicgay vs powershitter shitflinging is just boring to me. Everybody knows what a good looking body looks like, what a strong body can do. You can bulk up for a time, but hardly anyone likes being "too fat". Don't undervalue stretching as well, all this movement is taxing.
Time to go rooning myself.