I thought that too, until I was diagnosed and shown physical evidence of it. Most adhd (real ones anyway) have marked reduction in coritcal volume for executive function and or drd2 gene dysfunction that makes neurological tissue insensitive to dopamine.
I would guess 50%+ of diagnosis are basically fraudulant though, the dex prescription people chase are simply too useful for college to leave on the table.
I read a book "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker
He's a neuroscientist who specializes in sleep and its effects on people
He definitely gets a ltitle bit "this is the one cure to everything" in his book but is mostly very clear about what things are backed up by studies or not.
Anyway one of the things he mentioned was that up to 50% of kids being diagnosed ADHD may actually be "neurotypcial" but not sleeping right
Yes and multiple vastly different root problems can all end up leading to these observable changes in brain physiology.
It is basically the catch all for any medical condition that we fail to identify and treat over a long period of time.
In the current medical climate, if you have some unknown, undocumented neurological disorder which has no previous documentilation on it, you will be ignored until your symptoms turn into something more common and easily identifiable and then you will be treated for that.
So when you have people going chronically untreated for these medical conditions, it's natural to have fatigue develop and then over time having experienced chronic fatigue motivation starts decreasing and after having fatigue and low motivation for a long while it naturally becomes difficult to pay attention. You now pretty much match the symptomset of ADHD.
they are the epitome of "i don't experience this therefore it doesn't exists".
this is the same reasons why they can't conceptualise being in a loving relationship with a women, since every one of them was turned off by their [pick a color] pilled "" personality "" hence the birth of the biggest cognitive dissonance of the chud verse: >women won't have sex with me because all women are prostitutes
i would say an even larger portion considering the sleep effect that
I read a book "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker
He's a neuroscientist who specializes in sleep and its effects on people
He definitely gets a ltitle bit "this is the one cure to everything" in his book but is mostly very clear about what things are backed up by studies or not.
Anyway one of the things he mentioned was that up to 50% of kids being diagnosed ADHD may actually be "neurotypcial" but not sleeping right
said, and also the placebos that makes relatability + no parent figures +no cohesion in the modern world make a sick child with slight trouble focusing (because their attention span is fricked) want to be part of a group of people or be unique without doing anything.
That's called being stupid I think, maybe it's called having the brain of a Black person. Just watch some hitler speeches and drink a coffee with sugar, get over yourself.
Nope, you have been lied. Germans found out how to differentiate the damage from covid and from vaccines. So far bot a single case of miocarditis from covid. All those studies claiming that people from covid get miocarditis at 10 times more higher frequency than from vaccine and unvaxcinated are at risk were fabricated.
poster here
It's both, due to how the funny viral spike protein and its mRNA coding section is used as part of the vaccine. Get the vaccine, get a heavy dose of delicis hemoglobin binding spikes. Get the virus, get a constant dose of delicious hemoglobin binding spikes. Everyone wins.
No one really likes the shit you listed, it's not a marker of uniqueness, it's just a matter of recognizing the importance of the boring things.
ADHD doesn't exist, it's just another American made up meme sickness to sell amphetamine. If you think it's real you're just American and can't be helped because you're hardwired to think so.
>Is illness made up to sell medicine
Yes.
ADHD isn't real.
Even if it was studies show there are no real solutions.
Medicine doesn't actually change outcomes, no better grades, no better work, no better life.
ADHD isn't real, these are all problems most people have. you're just pussies and need special labels to have an excuse to tell to yourself why you're pathetic
The ADHD you're referring to are the ones neurotypicals get, the natural-born ADHDs are a menace that don't sit properly on their school chair, always on the run. ADHD is also the most violent type of autism if you were naturally born with it, you would like getting hurt and hurting other kids be it with physical or verbal. The TikTok zoomies got ADHD because they played too much cod mw2 shit and got their dopamine levels fricked up. It's real, and have been evident in the hunter-gatherer eras of humanity they still survive up this day.
They've started being able to identify the actual neurochemistry behind it and see in in brain scans and shit so they should be able to start confirming it better soon
There are a number of things that can mirror ADHD symptoms, the main 2 that should immediately explain it to you being:
Chronic sleep deprivation
Smartphone addictions
I've not seen it talked about personally but I would hazard a guess that certain video game formats are murder on your dopamine processing too
People with ADHD have been shown to have lower levels of dopamine than normal people, their uptake of it can be harder too.
This leads them to be much more strongly dopamine seeking.
A lot of social media and games that people are looking at on their smart phone give them quick dopamine hits and they end up sort of being dopamine addicts and thus exhibiting similar behavior.
>they end up sort of being dopamine addicts >This leads them to be much more strongly dopamine seeking.
But if they crave dopamine they should be able to focus on things since they have a lot of pleasure in the process and seek it more intensly? Sorry if i misunderstand you.
People with ADHD can focus on things sometimes, they call it "hyperfocus" but it's often on the wrong thing or to such a degree it becomes a problem; things like forgetting to eat or sleep, or completely stonewalling a person trying to talk to them because they're so into whatever they're doing.
It's the boring stuff that kicks their ass which is rather unfortunate if you need to do your taxes, you don't enjoy a particular school subject or you need to pay attention in a long afternoon work meeting. They'll end up doing anything else that's remotely more interesting even if it's playing with their fingernails or examining the brickwork next to them
No one really likes the shit you listed, it's not a marker of uniqueness, it's just a matter of recognizing the importance of the boring things.
ADHD doesn't exist, it's just another American made up meme sickness to sell amphetamine. If you think it's real you're just American and can't be helped because you're hardwired to think so.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The point was they cannot make themselves pay attention to that stuff without resorting to extreme measures or medication
11 months ago
Anonymous
The main point of debate is whether this is caused by internal factors only, or whether external factors can affect the brain enough for it to be "ADHD".
In my case, in order to focus, I had to resort to self harm when I lived alone, but I am fairly certain that this problem with focusing was due to computer games induced overstimulation
11 months ago
Anonymous
>only do what you wanna do >this is somehow a disorder (normal humans are hardwired to be lazy and seek pleasure) >you now have an excuse to not actually try, but if you want to try, they will give you dopamine releasers so you can do math homework in bliss
Amphetamines are incredibly good at what they’re prescribed for, but saying you need them because le ADHD is cope
11 months ago
Anonymous
>ADHD doesn't exist, it's just another American made up meme sickness to sell amphetamine. If you think it's real you're just American and can't be helped because you're hardwired to think so.
Do you believe in any mental illness whatsoever? Or illness in general, or is it all made up to sell medicine?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Is illness made up to sell medicine
Yes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm nta, but I believe that there are certain psychiatric illnesses that should be treated with pills, but ADHD is not one of them. The illness exists, though, but it's dumb to fight the symptoms and not the cause.
I was diagnosed with it as a teenager and took ritalin for some time, although I was aware of the memeness of it even then. I just liked my Ritalin. I mostly snorted it which in the end wasn't too great for my mind's health.
Just live and eat healthy as a child, go play outdoor, have friends, don't look at screens all the time, sleep well, and there will be no ADHD.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Just live and eat healthy as a child, go play outdoor, have friends, don't look at screens all the time, sleep well, and there will be no ADHD.
Out of curiosity, what do you think ADHD is? And if your prescription wasn't met when they were children and they are now adults with ADHD what is the solution?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>And if your prescription wasn't met when they were children and they are now adults with ADHD what is the solution?
I guess I would be one of those adults. For me what works is just the same I would advice to children, and probably most importantly not to be obsessed with psychiatric illnesses in general. People are different and nobody is perfect, you have good and bad days and life sucks sometimes, that's how it is and that's how it always will be. You're not a less valuable person because you struggle with certain things and if one good thing came about through this ADHD hype, it's that people realize they are not alone with their issues.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Just live and eat healthy as a child
do you really think that's up to the child?
Folks are lunatics here about adhd & Adderall. It's just really sad.
For me, it's getting stuck on the unimportant stuff. I need to clean my kitchen counter so I can cook dinner. What do I do? Refill my salt & pepper shakers, feed my sourdough starter and organize the spatulas by size and color.
It isn't that it's even fun. It just takes over as "most important" because I can focus on this task instead of jumping between 5 others.
I've cleaned a closet for 8 hours instead of doing the basics of picking up the rest of the house. This isn't laziness. It's a disfunction.
I wish I knew what this was when I was a teenager. I could have avoided so much pain. I'm an old man and we just didn't know. That we know better now and so many are still promoting ignorance breaks my heart. It's dooming a lot of folks to never reach their true potential and suffer.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This isn't laziness. It's a disfunction.
Holy excuses, post phone screen time
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've been this way since before flipphones, homosexual. I have nothing to prove to you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok so what sort of help are we talking about if I’m like this, therapy seems like a scam, I don’t want to get a addicted to drugs and I will fricking die before asking for special treatment from my boss or colleagues.g280kg
Unironically this.
I was diagnosed with Adhd(don't even believe in it now) in 1996.
Was given ritalin and was a fricking zombie and stopped taking it after 5th grade.
Still went onto be a productive member pf society but I have to force myself to do things.
If I don't follow my regiment through and through I'm pretty much fricked.
People with ADHD can focus on things sometimes, they call it "hyperfocus" but it's often on the wrong thing or to such a degree it becomes a problem; things like forgetting to eat or sleep, or completely stonewalling a person trying to talk to them because they're so into whatever they're doing.
It's the boring stuff that kicks their ass which is rather unfortunate if you need to do your taxes, you don't enjoy a particular school subject or you need to pay attention in a long afternoon work meeting. They'll end up doing anything else that's remotely more interesting even if it's playing with their fingernails or examining the brickwork next to them
>dude ADHD doesn't exist, it's just because you're not sleeping well >years of porn and vydia fried your brain man you just need to exercise and diet >ADHD isn't real, like, you're just smoking too much weed and not getting out of home enough >people just invented ADHD to explain that they're lazy >it's just the big pharma and the government trying to drug and control people, ADHD is a scam >like, I'm 100% sure what I'm talking about, ADHD is just a fake illness and doctors paycheck, people are just lazy
why are people in this place so fricking dumb
ADHD isn't real. It's a consequence of having a hyperstimulated lifestyle and thus having dopamine tolerance. Because of your dopamine tolerance it's difficult to get the natural flow of dopamine in you that allows you to not get fidgetty and instead to focus on stuff.
That's why taking amphetamines every day is what those people do. They get a chemical upper for getting dopamine.
Everyone that claims to have ADHD is "cured" after a month in prison or in the military.
They basically do a fast of dopamine and their neurological circuitry go back to normal in a month or so. They were not able to read a single page of a book before without doing something else, and now they're able to read for hours without raising their head.
It's all behavioral and environmental. It's not real.
You sticking all your deficiencies and failures onto "adhd" doesn't make it real. Fix yourself by changing your lifestyle.
The rate of ADHD is correlated with screentime per day.
You know I'm right, but you refuse to admit it because you're too lazy to try.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> The rate of ADHD is correlated with screentime per day.
provide your source
11 months ago
Anonymous
>> The rate of ADHD is correlated with screentime per day.
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+rate+of+ADHD+is+correlated+with+screentime+per+day
I literally copy and pasted the sentence you little lazy c**t, and all the results are there. How fricking pathetic and resentful can you be that you can't even do three clicks but instead try to oppose the claim.
11 months ago
Anonymous
google is a content aggregator not a source. provide your sources. burden of proof is on you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're obtuse. The links are all there.
You won't even read the stuff anyway, you don't have the discipline.
I could give you 100 more links because it's a very well researched topic, but I know that you won't read them and merely try to discard everything.
You don't want an answer, you just want to be a poor little victim not responsible for your life.
Poor little sick child. It's not his fault he's a loser, he's sick. Come here, mommy will take care of you forever.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>first link
“in china”. easiest dismissal of my life. cannot be trusted. >second link
states that screen time is higher in ADHD persons not that ADHD is fake. >3rd link
same as second link >4th link
states that ADD is worsened by technology and is addictive to those who suffer, not as a cause >5th link
“ Experts analyzing noted that it was difficult to establish cause and effect from the data” >6th link
same conclusion as the others. unable to establish causation, only correlation and does not refute ADD as a real condition
try reading your sources before using them.
thanks for playing. i won’t reply again. you
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yep, like clockwork.
Dismissal of everything for every reason you can think of.
You're a predictable man. Like all addict.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>same conclusion as the others. unable to establish causation, only correlation
You little goal-moving israelite. Ask yourself why you desperately want to convince yourself that you're sick.
Everyone would agree that it would be better to be healthy instead of having an incurable sickness. Yet you WANT to be sick.
Ask yourself why.
11 months ago
Anonymous
HOLY FRICK YOURE DENSE.
You dont have adhd, i think you are on the spectrum. Worse than anyone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You sticking all your deficiencies and failures onto "adhd" doesn't make it real
Black person. I swear to god you actually do have ADHD and OCD because you are fricking OBSESSED with your own bullshit.
I'm a successful business owner. I've never worked a 40 hour week in my life. I've been homeless. I'm literally unemployable so I had to start my own company to make money.
I have ADHD. I don't take amphetamines. It has never stopped me from being successful and I don't blame it for anything, but it is a real part of my life that I have to manage.
You sound like an incredibly dense homosexual. Probably a closeted homosexual with your head firmly lodged inside your own ass.
>ADHD CAN'T BE REAL >HOW CAN MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN ME >Y-Y-YOU'RE JUST BLAMING ADHD F-FOR YOUR F-F-FAILURES
and you're literally coping by convincing yourself mental ilness isn't real so you're on a level playing field with literal autists. Otherwise, if ADHD is real, you literally have NO EXCUSE for your failures and pathetic existence. Black person.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nice redditspacing.
Go back to r/adhd.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>reddit spacing
Welcome, newfriend, nice of you to join us.
Lurk more before exposing yourself as a complete fricking homosexual again.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nice man, yes I find it better to be self employed too. Work at my own pace and all my frick ups come back on me and I can handle them instead of it costing other people money.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>i have a dopamine addiction causing me focus issues, look at all the troubles my "disease" caused me
I fail to see your point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>spends hours on IST hitting refresh waiting for (you)s
please, tell me more about dopamine addiction
I had ADHD before the internet or cellphones.
>ok boomer
moronic fricking zoomer
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sure you did.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I fail to see your point >i dont understand something so it isn't real >everyone else is wrong
https://i.imgur.com/s2LlqdC.png
Sure you did.
>Sure you did. >look at this thing i googled
How many hours have you spent on this thread begging for (you)s
Zoom Zoom.
Post body
>Post body
You have autism, anon. lol.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>>Post body >You have autism, anon. lol.
Didn't think so, pussy
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Didn't think so, pussy
The amount of time you spend obsessing over this thread says otherwise, anon
Someone objectively analyzing your comments in this thread would absolutely come to the conclusion that you're on the lower end of the autism spectrum.
>oh no im not moronic >i was just pretending
Sure thing, bro. I bet you're a 140 IQ chad in your delusional fantasies. kek
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sorry, I don't respect DYELs who won't post body, kek
Go take your good boy pills
11 months ago
Anonymous
so you can't refute anything that I said. Typical moron.
This
You autists can't seem to understand that ADHD is a series of words used to describe the symptoms of living in modern society. You're trying to argue that words don't exist. I know you can't understand how moronic this truly is, but I think it's hilarious, even if you can't understand why.
>just go in the woods and it goes away >just go to prison and it goes away >just stop participating in society and it goes away >just stop doing the thing and the thing stops >look the thing isn't real cause i stopped
You aren't making valid arguments. You're just artistically screeching about some of the reasons why ADHD is on the rise. You haven't disputed anything yet. lol.
was a little too real for you to respond, wasn't it?
Asking men to post their body is unironically the gayest thing a man can do. Believing that a picture of your body can win an argument is just pathetic. Assuming you actually mog anyone in this thread is just delusional, anon.
I'll make you a deal. Post body with timestamp then I will post mine. I guarantee I mog you even in my mid 30s. We both know you won't because you look liked meth addict right now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Believing that a picture of your body can win an argument is just pathetic.
Spoken like a true DYEL, I already posted my body, now you
11 months ago
Anonymous
>i already posted a random picture without a timestamp
spoken like a true homosexual that won't post his current body. We're waiting.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I mean it was me about 3 weeks ago but I guess you don't want to be embarrassed and that's okay
But the person who mogs wins the argument, sorry, you lose
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Go take your good boy pills
anon, you seem to lack the ability to follow a thread. I've never taken medication for ADHD and I've managed to build a successful business. ADHD never caused any failures, anon, I started poor and my life has steadily improved ever year, without medication. Once again, I know you will fail to understand anything that I've said because you're literally moronic. I bet you can't even get triple digits on an IQ test.
>p-p-post b-b-b-ody
post IQ. Black person brain.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sounds like you don't have ADHD but are a typical underachiever that ends up freelance because he can't handle a proper job like a disciplined person.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>doctors diagnose ADHD >moron on IST says it isn't real because just because
sound like you're moronic, anon
>underachiever
lol though. Low effort bait. I would say that I expected better from you, but I don't.
>certain circumstances cause a person to have certain qualities >but the word to describe this phenomenon "isn't real"
what do you think the word "real" means? Are you trying to say ADHD is used as an excuse to not change poor lifestyle choices?
>diagnosed with adhd in the 90s >forced on medication by the school >never really helped but now I love stimulants >be 30 >diagnosed with Sleep Apnea >have to jump through a year worth of hoops to get cpap machine >get cpap machine >all symptoms of ADHD go away
Wow! Wonder why its easier to get amphetamines than a machine that helps you breathe...
Real or not, the overwhelming majority of post-graduate/professional degree holders used ADHD meds to get through school. Drug testing prior to entrance exams would btfo admissions in every US institution.
Mental illness is caused my demons and low energy, bad energy management.
They're trying to convince you it's a physical / neurochemical issue so they can sell you pills that destroy your mind.
People spend all day getting dopamine hits for minimal effort online, smoking weed, eating like crap, and not sleeping. Then they go on reddit and someone tells them that their symptoms are a clear sign of ADHD. What a relief, that explains everything!
ADHD isn't real.
Even if it was studies show there are no real solutions.
Medicine doesn't actually change outcomes, no better grades, no better work, no better life.
ADHD isn't real, these are all problems most people have. you're just pussies and need special labels to have an excuse to tell to yourself why you're pathetic
>Why everyone is having ADHD now?
Because ADHD isn't a thing. It's a side effect of prolonged hyper stimuli, your dopamine receptors are so cooked from non-stop porn, entertainment, hyper stimulative foods and whatever else you consume in the 21st century that people literally have biologically programmed themselves into not being able to concentrate on anything that isn't super simulative.
The reason people are so apprehensive to this is that
1) Claiming mental illness is a very easy cop out for when you're at fault
2) We live in the age of oppression Olympics
3) Implying it's something you can actively work on and potential eradicate is bad business for big pharma and (like obesity) means that the person suffering from ADHD did this to themselves when they would much prefer to ignore that truth and just default to "muh fricked brain"
Just like troons, ADHD is real but only a very small fraction of the population has it.
Instead, our current environment rots our brains, and we develop symptoms that look the same as the illness.
>dude ADHD doesn't exist, it's just because you're not sleeping well >years of porn and vydia fried your brain man you just need to exercise and diet >ADHD isn't real, like, you're just smoking too much weed and not getting out of home enough >people just invented ADHD to explain that they're lazy >it's just the big pharma and the government trying to drug and control people, ADHD is a scam >like, I'm 100% sure what I'm talking about, ADHD is just a fake illness and doctors paycheck, people are just lazy
the average fitizen thinks that exercise and diet can fix anything, and they're at certain point right, you can prevent and treat many health problems with just having at least a healthy lifestyle, but the average fitizen thinks that all meds will corrode your body and transform you into a "npc", or even think that all the meds are simply drugs that will addict you for no reason like
No one really likes the shit you listed, it's not a marker of uniqueness, it's just a matter of recognizing the importance of the boring things.
ADHD doesn't exist, it's just another American made up meme sickness to sell amphetamine. If you think it's real you're just American and can't be helped because you're hardwired to think so.
>ADHD doesn't exist, it's just another American made up meme sickness to sell amphetamine
none of these tin foil hats have a single idea of how pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics works nor even knows the differences between classes of drugs, isn't a surprise that they think that mental illness doesn't exist
Mental illness does exist but ADHD does not, simple as. It would not prevent one from being perfectly functional in a real situation so it's just an attitude and a symptom of bad habits and too much comfort. One should get his gut health in order, get a 6 pack and test for ADHD then.
naturally, ADHD isn't a flaw but a brain power, during 99% of human story the ADHD brain had to work the way he had work because it was a natural selection of the most dispersive and attentive, the actual bad habits are more like a instinctive mental trap of technological and industrial society, actual ADHD makes you lose focus with the minimal thing that passes in front of you >One should get his gut health in order, get a 6 pack and test for ADHD then
I concur 100%, but even a IST person can have ADHD and it can muddle his professional life, career and relationships
So now we have "brain power" ADHD and actual ADHD. Right. I can call ADHD bullshit all day. Did you try googling "symptoms" of it? It's literally Skill issue: the list. >"Having trouble"
Seriously? >Poor time management skills
Alarm clocks exist. >Low frustration tolerance
aka being butthurt >Problems focusing on a task AND Trouble multitasking
So which one is it? Btw multitasking is THE thing that kills productivity
None of those are "symptoms" for fricks sake.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I agree adhd is overdiagnosed and I really don't think we should be giving speed to children, but legit adhd can be pretty debilitating >getting ready to go to the gym >find shirt >start putting shoes on >check clock and 25 mins has gone past and I only have 1 shoe on
Where the frick does the time go
11 months ago
Anonymous
>actual ADHD
actually ADHD only*
i forgor
also these symptoms are just the scratch of ADHD, the most scary and post-perceptive symptom are the time you waste by simply brain fogging and the oppotunities you lost in life, so no ADHD isn't just a goofy "I can't focus and want anphetamine" thing
I think adhd is real, but I think a lot of people abuse the diagnosis to get amphetamines so they can look at spreadsheets more gooder, even though that’s not something you’re supposed to be good at.
Also, a lot of younger people have fried brains from short-form internet posts, and that gets misdiagnosed.
For many people who report adhd symptoms, medication is unnecessary, what they need is a lifestyle change.
As an aside, I was diagnosed as an adult, but the stimulants made me euphoric and jumpy as hell, the way that you’d expect them to in someone without the [adhd paradoxical effect]. Any guesses as to what conditions I should look into? My executive function is garbage, I have the time blindness, easily angered but nowhere near as low impulse control as the adhd kids from when I was in elementary school, rejection sensitivity, some amount of anxiety, forgetting to text people back, generally a lot of the shit in the OP pic.
But when I take preworkout or drink energy drinks I get hyped as frick, chatty, enthusiastic, etc, so I don’t think it’s adhd, given that caffeine is supposed to make you sleepy when you have real adhd
firstly thanks for your intelligible appointment, the ~~*other anon*~~ was just attention whoring at this point >a lot of people abuse the diagnosis to get amphetamines
yeah it exists, people think that ADHD meds are the productivity pills, but usually they don't work for them because some ADHD meds in non ADHD people cause anxiety, panic attacks and/or unproductivity by hyperstimulation >Also, a lot of younger people have fried brains from short-form internet posts, and that gets misdiagnosed.
yes, any kind of addiction (especially the most modern ones like games, porn and social media interaction) can cause a "brain frying" and is scary how people are unaware of this, and I agree with the point below this
>the stimulants made me euphoric and jumpy as hell [...] when I take preworkout or drink energy drinks I get hyped as frick, chatty, enthusiastic, etc
every stimulant have their own effects on each individual, it can vary depending the dose and/or type of stimulant, caffeine doesn't make people with ADHD sleepy but also doesn't work so well, maybe you might be misdiagnosed >Any guesses as to what conditions I should look into?
I'm not a doctor, but to be diagnosed with ADHD you have to do a neuropsychological exam, show symptoms AND do the EEG to have the complete sure, maybe you have anxiety or some offscreen sleep issue
>adhd meds in non-adhd people
Yeah, I’ve seen some people try to take it to study and end up having very bad experiences. Not something to frick around with. >internet addictions and brain frying
This is definitely something I struggle with, I had issues with time management and whatnot as a kid, but it got so much worse when I started spending lots of time online. Porn definitely had a negative impact, gaming too. Although I’ve successfully dropped gaming, so at least I’m on the right road. >stimulant effects, diagnosis
Yeah, I didn’t fully start tweaking out when I was on adderall, but it noticed I was talking a lot faster, slower to get vocally angry but also more tense, twitchy, subconsciously clenching my jaw, etc. it was not a fun experience. It also gave me pretty impactful vasoconstriction, my hands got cold and I couldn’t get hard at all. Vyvanse was a little smoother, but had most of the same effects.
As for caffeine, I do build up a tolerance but when I’ve taken a tolerance break, even like 150mg is enough to get me seriously hyped up to lift, feelings of vigor and slight euphoria. Even after a few months of daily use, a 250mg caffeine energy drink gets me going in a serious way. So, if caffeine resistance is a normal symptom, I definitely don’t have that. >exams
Yeah, in the US, they are not giving people EEGs. I filled out like a 20 question survey and they gave me adderall lmao. Will definitely try to follow up with a doc for alternative diagnoses. Anxiety seems extremely likely, could also be a sleep thing. I know that when I have time to get into a healthy sleep routine, a lot of my symptoms are milder and more manageable.
>have no focus, no discipline, few to no interests, no motivation because i can’t focus enough to do anything >the few interests I do have I will obsessively hyper focus on and keep looking at and coming back to the same things over and over and over to make sure it is perfect
Let me tell you a story. >have no focus, no discipline, few to no interests, no motivation because i can’t focus enough to do anything
*record scratch* *freeze frame* yup, that was me. You're probably wondering what I did about it. I just did things that had to be done REGARDLESS of how I feel, if I have the motivation, or focus. All you need to do is get a bit too close to death and suddenly once you realize you're mortal and will be dead pretty soon ANYWAY, you stop caring and start pursuing your real interests with passion. Suddenly, you don't need no extra motivation and no military discipline.
i probably could be diagnosed with this. im not going to though because its fake and gay. also if i started taking adderall i would become too powerful
Not to the extent it is now. Not where I'm from anyway. Not nearly as many people were being tricked in to thinking they have "adhd" plus it never used to encompass all that op's pic encompasses.
>I have ADHD
I'm a self centred twat who eats too much sugar, drinks too much caffeine, lacks empathy and doesn't want to be held accountable for any of that
>I have high functioning autism/Aspergers
I'm a pretentious midwit with no social skills and I enjoy having a way to deflect scrutiny in an oversocialised society
>I have borderline personality syndrome
Look, it's REALLY REALLY important to me that I frick all your friends then self-harm when you threaten to dump me, OK?
>I have depression
I'm miserable because I'm a socially isolated underachiever, and I'm a socially isolated underachiever because I'm miserable, and FRICK YOU if you think I'm going to break that cycle
>I have hypothyroidism and PCOS
If you call me out for eating 3000kcal a day, I'll sic my feminazi friends on you
Ask anyone who is diagnosed with ADHD, depression, anxiety etc "so when you got tested, what were your chemical levels?"
They will not answer you, because they didn't get tested. They said they fit the criteria and the ~~*doctor*~~ saw an opportunity to get a moronic patient who will come back every few months for the next decade and give them money for pills that don't do anything.
There is none of that shit in Hunter gatherer cultures. All of the above are symptoms of hopelessness and meaninglessness that liberalism has pushed onto the Western World.
>What was your brain activity before the insane mind-altering medication?
Extremely low alpha waves and very high beta waves. Also no change at all when my eyes close which isn't normal. Pic related is an example of what the eeg results look like. What makes you think I'm medicated?
>Extremely low alpha waves and very high beta waves.
Yeah don't worry, I assumed lmao
>What makes you think I'm medicated?
Because you wouldn't stick up for a made up illness that JUST SO HAPPENS to disproportionately be found in the sons of single mothers. Wierd how that works, isn't it?
>Because you wouldn't stick up for a made up illness that JUST SO HAPPENS to disproportionately be found in the sons of single mothers. Wierd how that works, isn't it?
This literally doesn't even make sense. You really are a shitskin aren't you? Do some research before offering your opinion next time. Adhd is just a behaviour pattern, are you really suggesting that every single person behaves/acts the same?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Kek, medicated mummy's boy is getting mad, is that one of your symptoms?
Get off tik tok, read, exercise and clean up your diet Tyrone and the "ADHD" will magically disappear
11 months ago
Anonymous
>what are your chemicals levels
Proven wrong >what is your brain activity
Showed you >well what about single mums?
At this point I asked you a question which you can't answer >tyrone
You are possibly the dumbest shitskin on this board. You jump from one thing to the next as soon as you realise you're wrong. have a nice day immediately
PS I bench 160kg for a triple touch and go, don't tell me to lift you skinny fat shitskin Black person
11 months ago
Anonymous
Omg, maybe you need some more meds for your anger. Keep taking your good boy pills, they'll totally work if you just take more!
Also, no one cares about your bench, fatty.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not medicated >shitskin
Confirmed >dyel
Confirmed >skinnyfat
Confirmed >Black person
have a nice day >still won't answer my question
Typical
11 months ago
Anonymous
Post body
11 months ago
Anonymous
Answer my question first. If adhd, being a behaviour pattern, doesn't exist. Then do you believe every single human on earth behaves the same way? Or just no one can have that particular pattern of behaviour?
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, "mental illness" as just a disease you are born with is bullshit. Your childhood shapes your thinking and your behaviours in adulthood make that thinking manifest into a bad life, but you have a choice to not make your life worse but most chose to take the good boy pills.
Now, post body.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No one said adhd was a disease and I've never heard anyone call it a mental illness. So does this pattern of behaviour exist or not?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're really delaying posting body. You bench a lot, you must look amazing, right?
Right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Stop deflecting and answer the question first shitskin
11 months ago
Anonymous
Does the pattern of being easily distracted exist? Yes, no shit, but if you just cut out distraction and have some self discipline then you can overcome this without meds.
Now, post body
11 months ago
Anonymous
So adhd does exist then? Stop moving the goalposts to now say that this was all about medication when all along you've been saying it doesn't exist at all. This argument style may work on your fellow shitskin but not an ubermensch like myself
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not everything is a diagnosis you tik tok obsessed loser, are you a man or a teenage girl?
>muh ADHD >muh Autism >muh BPD
Everyone deals with things in their life, only weak and feminine men feel the need to diagnose and drug themselves.
Now, POST BODY, I have asked 4 times now and you said you bench a lot so you must look amazing, so go ahead. We all want to see the man who believes in mental health and how awesome he looks.
11 months ago
Anonymous
ANSWER THE QUESTION. You keep sidestepping it. Why are you so scared to admit you're wrong? >not everything is a diagnosis >autism
Yea OK shitskin let's go tell a 25 year old who can only communicate by screaming and shits his pants 10 times a day that he's making it up and he just needs some exercise
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not answering anything else until you post body, just admit you look like shit and we can end this whole thing or post body. You're either right, or you look like shit and we shouldn't listen to you. So go ahead and post body.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's very obvious you know you're wrong. Just admit it and I'll post body
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cmon fat boy, we won't make fun of you, promise.
But you won't post, therefore I am correct, thanks for playing you fat spaz.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Shitskin backed into a corner realizing he's wrong arguing with an aryan
Just admit you're wrong and I'll post pics of recent bulk and cut
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/Gz2a2vp.jpg
>Shitskin backed into a corner realizing he's wrong arguing with an aryan
Just admit you're wrong and I'll post pics of recent bulk and cut
He's doing anything to not post body lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Just admit you're wrong and I'll post pics of recent bulk and cut
There's no cut, let's be honest, you fat addict.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anything to avoid answering my question
11 months ago
Anonymous
What's more shameful, not answering some moronic question or not posting body on request?
We all know the answer, fat boy
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not answering a simple question. In a thread about the topic. Especially when the question was asked first. Answer and I'll post. Until then shitskin keep wishing you were white
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've answered like 8 of your moronic questions. So I'll ask again, post you fat body or stfu. If you are out of shape, your opinion is worthless in every subject. Because you won't post body, we all know you are in awful shape, therefore we can disregard your opinion.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You never answered you fricking idiot. Show me where you answered. The closest thing was this >"mental illness" as just a disease you are born with is bullshit
Which is a cop-out because no one has ever claimed adhd is a disease you disingenuous moron. Answer the question and I'll post. Fricking low iq shitskin
11 months ago
Anonymous
Does the pattern of being easily distracted exist? Yes, no shit, but if you just cut out distraction and have some self discipline then you can overcome this without meds.
Now, post body
I answered your shitty question right here
NOW POST BODY
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao so you admit that it does exist. Why all the hostility then you fricking black c**t
11 months ago
Anonymous
Being easily distracted is not a diagnosis, you moron
https://i.imgur.com/0MlPj9s.jpg
Bulk
Now its your turn
My God, please sort that skin out, that makes me physically ill. Your skin is blacker than mine due to the amount of acne you have.
>6'7"
Mate your barely taller than a colorbond fence
Also >leaner than you >stronger than you
Keep crying panty boy
11 months ago
Anonymous
>>6'7" >Mate your barely taller than a colorbond fence
MASSIVE cope lmao, what am I, a foot taller than you?
Your physique looks like you gained muscle with no intentionality, no plan on how to look good but simply to make up for your skin issues and height
Top kek
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm 6' and I reach the same height on one of those fences lmao you look like shit bro you're far from lean and not even strong. Stop posting vahoa
11 months ago
Anonymous
Last cut
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bulk
Now its your turn
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What's more shameful
begging anons to post their body, stupid homosexual
11 months ago
Anonymous
Post body
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's very obvious you know you're wrong. Just admit it and I'll post body
you guys aren't even real, why are you this mad?
but yeah, ADHD is just moronic dopamine receptors. i like having it though.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not mad I'm just tired of the mental gymnastics people go through to avoid having to think. It's literally the reason for every problem with the world
11 months ago
Anonymous
>easily distracted
that's literally the opposite of what adhd is. once you latch on to a train of thought it's very difficult to get distracted from it
11 months ago
Anonymous
>very difficult
Oh no something is very difficult, better do some meth!
My God, just have some fricking self control
11 months ago
Anonymous
if you think it's just meth them you're clearly too moronic to reason with. does meth usually help you sit down and do the laundry? does meth help you remember to eat? does meth help you mellow out and not spaz about minute things?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks ESL, but I have discipline and do those things by myself. You can do those things but you chose not to and instead take your good boy pills because big pharma lied to you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you have the "discipline" because you don't have adhd. it's like saying "paralyzed people should just get up and walk around, it's super easy, i do it all day".
11 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly, I was a very fit ski bum, athletic as frick, healthy food, very healthy lifestyle and my ADHD was as intense as ever.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>my ADHD was as intense as ever
Assault a hobo and spend a month in isolation in county jail. You'll see that by week three you won't feel "intense ADHD" anymore.
Do a dopamine fast. Go in the mountain, in a cave, touch grass. Do what israelites do and don't touch an electronical device for a whole day every week.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm 30 you moron I spent 20 years of my life without a device.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm 31 and spent my whole life with a device. I was born with TV and a Sega megadrive at home. I had a gameboy at age 5 and a mobile phone at age 10.
What the frick are you talking about. Are you some zoomer that thinks electricity was invented 10 years ago?
It's pretty clear that you have to be willfully ignorant to deny the existence of ADHD since it is measurable in the brain and has extensive literature supporting it.
The question that results is: why? What do regular ass people have to gain by entering a thread and proclaiming that ADHD isn't real?
My gut feeling is that there's a specific persona, status, or image that ADHD deniers want to portray. Likely something to the effect of wanting to come off as superior willed and of greater capacity of the mind.
Some aggressive ADHD deniers actually have it themselves, it's a mixture of not wanting to admit they could possibly have anything wrong with them and repeating what they've been told their whole lives - that you just need to stop being so lazy and put in a little effort/get organized.
It's extra fun when their kid gets diagnosed with it and they refuse to let it get treated because of that mindset
The parents thing happened to one of my best friends who could ask you a question and then zone out during the answer before he finally got medicated.
Another case of contrarianism. They think that they're exceptionally smart and not like the npcs just because they're against a thing that most normies accept.
>all these homosexuals itt claiming they have adhd
holy shit what a bunch of women, kek. so many chicks and moron guys I know now claim to have this shit. they all smoke mountains of weed, eat takeout constantly, drink twice a week, and have tiktok installed. I egg them on just for amusement, tell them that having adhd must be ‘so hard’ and that they ‘definitely have it’ just so they never take an actual step to improve their lives. guess what fairies. studying and working sucks for everyone, but we do it because smoking weed bussing tables and eating mcdonalds is no way for a white person to live.
has just gone undiagnosed for a long time. ADHD isn't a disability, it's just bad for current school system. adhd people are perfect soldiers for example. a lot of people don't realise that you can utilize the hyperfixation shit for cool shit,and just usi it for anime or other dumb nerd shit. i aimed my hyperfixation thing on lifting and now that's my main hobby.
most adhd people just fry their dopamine receptors with porn and hollywood dhit
>he has ADHD and can't focus Dr. Pillstein! >what about video games, sport and building things? >well yeah he can focus on those but he can't focus in math or English class >say no more, here is some meth
I have no contribution to make except to not take advice on anything from the moronic ill willed scumbags who post here. Treat it all as entertainment and rely on the opinions of educated, normal people. Don't be fooled into thinking these morons are even remotely connected to reality.
Especially as a young person. Case in point, this stupid homosexual:
Mental illness does exist but ADHD does not, simple as. It would not prevent one from being perfectly functional in a real situation so it's just an attitude and a symptom of bad habits and too much comfort. One should get his gut health in order, get a 6 pack and test for ADHD then.
Because modern psychiatry is mostly made up bullshit. They classify classifications, come up with terms and illnesses, but never actually cure anything.
Ever heard of a schizophrenic get better? No, the only thing they can do is chemically lobotize them.
ADHD is just another classification, but of rather common personality traits. Whether it's a real disorder or not is up for debate, but the cure for it definitely isn't shoving meth-like drugs down a kid's throat.
I remember I used to play video games on US servers and made a few friends. Half of them sounded high all the time. When I asked them why they sounded like that, they all said ADHD medication. It's absolute insanity how modern society allows this to happen, but it is what it is.
Those drugs can give you "focus" but not without a cost. Much like roids can give you gains for a price on your body.
You have one brain, don't be a moron and frick it up with "MUH ADHD MEDICATION"
>difficulty maintaining relationships
yep, mainly friendships. i’ve been happily with my gf nearly five years though >depression
yep >inability to focus
yep >poor impulse control
yep >forgetting to eat, sleep, bathroom
yep, shit myself a bunch of times >problem focusing on interests
yep, haven’t touched my drumkit in ages, flunked out of uni >difficulty switching tasks or sticking to one
yep >mood swings
yep >hyperfixation
yep >financial problems
yep >anxiety
yep >sleeping problems
yep >poor sense of time
yep >trouble regulating emotions
yep >chronic unemployment
in the past yes but i’ve been fine past few years >choice paralysis
yep >uncontrollable fidgeting
yep >forgetting thoughts
sometimes but not often. i have good recall >APD
nope >RSD
yep >executive dysfunction
yep >SPD
nope >trouble recalling words
nope >losing items
nope >all or nothing
yep
let me guess, i need muh disciprine and to give up le porn le internet le social media le caffeine le sugar?
i don’t watch porn. i don’t use social media except for messengers. i drink coffee occasionally but not relentlessly. the internet is required to live in the 21st century and i barely use that now, i rarely have my pc turned on. i prefer savoury to sweet foods and i don’t like chocolate. cmon. what meme will you throw at me?
>i don’t use social media except for messengers
IST is a social media you dummy. You are getting dopamine from getting replies to your posts and arguing with people. Most of us are here because we like to argue and get dopamine from that.
Don't lie to yourself. Cut your screen time in half and go meditate for 10 minutes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>IST is a social media
frick off back whence you came. IST is an pseudo-anon imageboard . there is no socialising. we aren’t friends. i don’t share your posts. i don’t try to link up with you. i don’t share pictures of my dog with you. get a grip.
You admitted to accidentally shitting yourself because you forgot to go to the bathroom.
What are you doing when you forget to go to the bathroom?
almost anything. i could be out walking, reading a book, listening to music, playing drums, reading articles, watching a tv show or movie, digging in the garden. it can be anything i get absorbed into that i don’t want to stop doing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon but just because it's psuedo-anonymous doesn't mean its not social media. Tiktok is social media and most people just use it for videos and junk. Reddit is very similar to IST. If the definition you're going by is connection or active building of relationships online its very outdated.
That died with early-mid 00s facebook and myspace. It's all about making $$ off users now and algorithms. IST is very much no different in this regard and hasn't been since moot left.
Sharing images, even reaction images or replying to this post counts as socializing. Like it or not.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>IST is an pseudo-anon imageboard
A social media.
It's social. All we do is talk to each other.
It's social. It's a media. It's a social media.
Just like twitter, just like reddit, just like any other forum or imageboard.
Here is another (You), I know you love those and that it gives you dopamine, which is what you're here for.
You love social media.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>there is no socialising. we aren’t friends. i don’t share your posts. i don’t try to link up with you. i don’t share pictures of my dog with you
You just described Reddit. Are you also going to say that Reddit is not a social media? You're being silly.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> You just described Reddit.
lol what? every single one of those things happen on reddit you fricking child. did your flyover hickville only just get dialup or something?
the modern world is becoming harder and harder to deal with if you have ADHD. if i was alive 200 years ago and lived on a farm like 90% of other people then ADHD wouldn't have affected me that much and I wouldn't seem all that different. the modern world with its instant gratification and infinite stimulation from the internet, porn, and video games and whatnot make it harder to deal with
>the modern world is becoming harder and harder to deal with if you have ADHD.
You don't have ADHD, you're addicted to stimuli and this causes a dopamine tolerance.
I live in a country where prescribed amphetamines are illegal, so ADHD is treated with no medication whatsoever, simple Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and people have a better remission rate than in the rest of the world.
Change your environment, change your behavior.
Spend your next weekend camping in the woods with not much to do, you'll see if the following monday you don't feel relaxed, calm, without having much need to "stim" yourself.
Put down your phone you addict. You're like fat fricks that don't understand why they are fat.
Yeah, taking amphetamines alleviate your symptoms WITHIN A DAY. It does not cure anything.
CBT takes time and effort. Swallowing a pill (thanks Pfizer) does not. That's why we also give diabetes pills to obese fricks instead of giving them a therapy to learn how to eat properly instead.
Welcome to a pharmaceutical dystopia. Treat the symptoms with meds they'll take their whole lives instead of getting at the root cause.
Like I said, in my country amphetamines are illegal, even as meds.
So they cannot just give pills to someone every day for the rest of their lives, they HAVE to do something else.
And CBT works. It takes months or years, but people end up cured, free of symptoms, and drug-free.
The same thing can never be said for those that take amphetamines. This is why the cure rate is higher here than in the West.
But I know that none of you spaz will watch a video that would contradict your convenient life view that tells you that none of your failures in life are your fault.
It's sooooo convenient to have a "disease" on which you can blame all your problems. Nothing is your fault, nothing is your responsibility.
I'm proud of my IST bros. Most of you seem to be aware that it's a fake disease for the maladjusted.
In other places like /LULZ/ or Reddit, ADHD is commonly talked about and no one dares to talk about it not being real. It's too important for the people there to have an illness they can hide behind.
You do know that not giving me a (You) is not a punishment for someone that doesn't have dopamine addiction, right?
You're just not doing it because you know it would hurt you, right?
You're a weak man. You ask source of correlation, get the proof, then say that it doesn't prove causation, therefore you'll ignore it.
I accept your concession. Consider this your last (You).
>A big part of it is that it was discovered that woman can have it too so suddenly it gets way more attention and is important.
That's also true. "ADHD" used to be a "little boy" disease. We gave pills to young boys that were not sitting calmly in class like good little goys, and now it's also a disease for 20-something females that have trouble adjusting to adult life, or "adulting" as the zoomers say.
yeah the funny part about this is these women complain about how men with ADHD were privileged for being diagnosed at kids while the women were discriminated against. It's hilarious because the kids getting diagnosed were absolute little shits who disrupted everything and lots are probably living terrible lives right now, they were diagnosed for a good reason because there was clearly something wrong with them. Women go and call that a privilege baka.
The dopamine-addict is immunized against all dangers: One may call him lazy, weak, pathetic, leech, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a dopamine-addict and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out"
You autists can't seem to understand that ADHD is a series of words used to describe the symptoms of living in modern society. You're trying to argue that words don't exist. I know you can't understand how moronic this truly is, but I think it's hilarious, even if you can't understand why.
>just go in the woods and it goes away >just go to prison and it goes away >just stop participating in society and it goes away >just stop doing the thing and the thing stops >look the thing isn't real cause i stopped
You aren't making valid arguments. You're just artistically screeching about some of the reasons why ADHD is on the rise. You haven't disputed anything yet. lol.
adhd was critically inderstudies amd underdiagnosed back then. ppl who didn't take their meds then are now additionally getting them prescribed after getting a late adhd diagnosis
Sure, I'll prescribe you to stay inside and browse tiktok for 6 hours straight then try to read a book. If you fail at it, then you got it and you can officially call yourself ill and ask for amphetamines.
If it doesn't work, keep doing it. It's a matter of time before your dopamine circuitry is overstimulated and you develop dopamine tolerance.
It’s easier for me to rob people now. I can just walk up to a person and show them family guy clips on my phone. Meanwhile I take out their wallet with my other hand.
these idiots cant survive with hurling insults at each other, normies here can't fathom that adhd is real and spergs here are too ignorant that there are different lifestyles with adhd for different persons
>Hey kids, I'm Dr Shekelstein >Did you know, some experts agree that studies suggest there's a newly discovered mental health disorder that lowers your quality of life? I call this "Being normal syndrome" >symptoms of Being Normal Syndrome include >Finding it difficult to concentrate when distracted >Feeling low or depressed immediately after something bad happens >Fatigue after extended mental or physical exertion >Sometimes getting an itch under a fingernail, and being frustrated that the only way to scratch the itch is to hit your fingernail >Do the above apply to you? Then you'll be relieved to know you can qualify for neetbux and social privileges by getting a formal diagnosis from me or one of my affiliated franchisees >Don't go undiagnosed, get meds for this debilitating condition! Let's normalize the frick out of this, just like your favourite social media personalities do
well you are correct in a way - 50 years ago people just accepted that some people are diligent and some are lazy. Why are some people lazy? We don't know but we sure know they are. What does "lazy" mean exactly? Doesn't matter, it's self-evident. If people want to cling to this mindset, sure why not but times have changed and the discipline of psychology has progressed. Now we have better understanding of the types of "lazy" that exist and how some of those types can be fixed. Basically we separated "lazy people" into three groups: Depressed, who could do stuff but they don't see the reason to. ADHD, who are motivated to do stuff but they have problems doing it. And the rest of them who we still haven't figured out.
For most people ADHD can indeed be treated without meds, kind of like how most fatasses can lose weight without meds. That doesn't negate the fact that people who need medication DO exist, albeit there are significantly fewer of them than suggested by popular culture trends.
>no life accomplishments at 31 >unable to focus on anything and just burn all my time fricking around on the internet, if i don't have the internet i just stare at walls >needs to do something, go to another room to do it then immediately forget what i came there for >when i do come upon something that interests me, i autistically hyper focus on it and obsessively check it, edit it, want to make it perfect, so i hyper focus on these things that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things but then completely ignore improving the big things that have ruined my life by not developing them >extremely sensitive to certain sounds and can't focus on anything if i hear annoying sounds but my growing anger about them
i gues adhd is fake but i dont know what this would fall under
>put monkey in cage >monkey becomes suicidal >give monkey antidepressants
Literally all of those are natural reactions to having a dopamine dispenser in your pocket 24/7. Even the ""experts"" admit that ADHD is not based in genetics, its developmental (aka environmental).
>ADHD tends to run in families and, in most cases, it's thought the genes you inherit from your parents are a significant factor in developing the condition. Research shows that parents and siblings of someone with ADHD are more likely to have ADHD themselves.
Why does this everyone in this thread have have such strong opinions about things they know nothing about?
Auditory processing disorder is real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_processing_disorder and it SUCK ASS
Also: ADHD is a description of a set of highly-correlated symptoms, it isn't a label for a disease that is causing those symptoms (though, in the future a causal mechanism might be identified and confirmed that explains most ADHD cases). If you match the symptoms the DSM lays out for ADHD, then you "have" ADHD, but that's literally all it means. But, some people get an ADHD diagnosis, they try the techniques correlated to improvement in symptoms, and their symptoms improve
What most of you aren't taking into account is how much MORE attention needs to be paid in the modern era. Going outside and touching grass? Sure, I can concentrate on that. At work (IT) I am bombarded by thousands of "social tests" daily. Look this way, act this way, type this way, make this joke, make eye contact, pack a lunch, make small talk, answer phone, etc. The shit is never ending and exhausting.
It's not just about paying attention to boring things, but the overstimulation of constant tasks that must be executed perfectly according to those around you and the noise in your brain that won't shut the hell up ever it never shuts the frick up
Not to mention MEMORY ISSUES. God damn. I can't remember phone numbers, names, faces, email addresses, IP addresses. Hell, I can't remember anything unless it's written down. Even on the phone I forget their name by the time the conversation is over.
Not to mention MEMORY ISSUES. God damn. I can't remember phone numbers, names, faces, email addresses, IP addresses. Hell, I can't remember anything unless it's written down. Even on the phone I forget their name by the time the conversation is over.
Holy fricking manchild
This is called being a functioning human in a work environment, you literally sound like a 14 year old tik tok girl lmao
>adhd doesn't exist bro, just learn to concentrate >alzheimers doesn't exist bro, just don't forget things >parkinsons doesn't exist bro, just stop shaking >paralysis doesn't exist bro, just get up and walk >blindness doesn't exist bro, just open your eyes
I take adderall to help me focus on my multimillion dollar software company and I take intense joy knowing there's broke wagies on this site who seethe at something that has zero effect on them.
Doctors gotta pay for their fifth investment property somehow, you know.
This and this
Same as depression
It's a combination of people just being lazy and doctors wanting their patients to have something wrong with them.
because it's a fake illness
I thought that too, until I was diagnosed and shown physical evidence of it. Most adhd (real ones anyway) have marked reduction in coritcal volume for executive function and or drd2 gene dysfunction that makes neurological tissue insensitive to dopamine.
I would guess 50%+ of diagnosis are basically fraudulant though, the dex prescription people chase are simply too useful for college to leave on the table.
I read a book "Why We Sleep" by Matthew Walker
He's a neuroscientist who specializes in sleep and its effects on people
He definitely gets a ltitle bit "this is the one cure to everything" in his book but is mostly very clear about what things are backed up by studies or not.
Anyway one of the things he mentioned was that up to 50% of kids being diagnosed ADHD may actually be "neurotypcial" but not sleeping right
Yes and multiple vastly different root problems can all end up leading to these observable changes in brain physiology.
It is basically the catch all for any medical condition that we fail to identify and treat over a long period of time.
In the current medical climate, if you have some unknown, undocumented neurological disorder which has no previous documentilation on it, you will be ignored until your symptoms turn into something more common and easily identifiable and then you will be treated for that.
So when you have people going chronically untreated for these medical conditions, it's natural to have fatigue develop and then over time having experienced chronic fatigue motivation starts decreasing and after having fatigue and low motivation for a long while it naturally becomes difficult to pay attention. You now pretty much match the symptomset of ADHD.
Turns out angry IST school shooters don't know anything about neuroscience, huh?
they are the epitome of "i don't experience this therefore it doesn't exists".
this is the same reasons why they can't conceptualise being in a loving relationship with a women, since every one of them was turned off by their [pick a color] pilled "" personality "" hence the birth of the biggest cognitive dissonance of the chud verse:
>women won't have sex with me because all women are prostitutes
*wieners assault penis*
Im sorry what did you say, you normie frick?
i would say an even larger portion considering the sleep effect that
said, and also the placebos that makes relatability + no parent figures +no cohesion in the modern world make a sick child with slight trouble focusing (because their attention span is fricked) want to be part of a group of people or be unique without doing anything.
Yeah, I see that, LinkedIn might as well be "women who have adhd" now, it's very cringe.
That's called being stupid I think, maybe it's called having the brain of a Black person. Just watch some hitler speeches and drink a coffee with sugar, get over yourself.
You sound vaccinated.
Worldwide brain-damage from covid-induced hypoxia.
>Vaccine-induced hypoxia
ftfy
Any reaction the vaccine causes in people is generally 4-10 times worse in covid patients
Covid doesen't exist.
Covid literally never existed
covid was fake homie sorry
well it's a good thing we didn't vax billions of people multiple times then
wait
Nope, you have been lied. Germans found out how to differentiate the damage from covid and from vaccines. So far bot a single case of miocarditis from covid. All those studies claiming that people from covid get miocarditis at 10 times more higher frequency than from vaccine and unvaxcinated are at risk were fabricated.
And yea, covid virus doesn't cross blood vrain barrier. All the brain damage is from the vaccine.
Grow up.
poster here
It's both, due to how the funny viral spike protein and its mRNA coding section is used as part of the vaccine. Get the vaccine, get a heavy dose of delicis hemoglobin binding spikes. Get the virus, get a constant dose of delicious hemoglobin binding spikes. Everyone wins.
ADHD is so fricking 2011. Everyone is on to claiming they have autism now
The ADHD you're referring to are the ones neurotypicals get, the natural-born ADHDs are a menace that don't sit properly on their school chair, always on the run. ADHD is also the most violent type of autism if you were naturally born with it, you would like getting hurt and hurting other kids be it with physical or verbal. The TikTok zoomies got ADHD because they played too much cod mw2 shit and got their dopamine levels fricked up. It's real, and have been evident in the hunter-gatherer eras of humanity they still survive up this day.
>don't sit properly on their school chair
Wew
They've started being able to identify the actual neurochemistry behind it and see in in brain scans and shit so they should be able to start confirming it better soon
There are a number of things that can mirror ADHD symptoms, the main 2 that should immediately explain it to you being:
Chronic sleep deprivation
Smartphone addictions
I've not seen it talked about personally but I would hazard a guess that certain video game formats are murder on your dopamine processing too
>Smartphone addictions
How is this related to ADHD symptoms?
In the most basic terms:
People with ADHD have been shown to have lower levels of dopamine than normal people, their uptake of it can be harder too.
This leads them to be much more strongly dopamine seeking.
A lot of social media and games that people are looking at on their smart phone give them quick dopamine hits and they end up sort of being dopamine addicts and thus exhibiting similar behavior.
>they end up sort of being dopamine addicts
>This leads them to be much more strongly dopamine seeking.
But if they crave dopamine they should be able to focus on things since they have a lot of pleasure in the process and seek it more intensly? Sorry if i misunderstand you.
They do, that's called hyperfocus, they'll find something that gives dopamine and latch onto that activity like a leech and won't let go.
People with ADHD can focus on things sometimes, they call it "hyperfocus" but it's often on the wrong thing or to such a degree it becomes a problem; things like forgetting to eat or sleep, or completely stonewalling a person trying to talk to them because they're so into whatever they're doing.
It's the boring stuff that kicks their ass which is rather unfortunate if you need to do your taxes, you don't enjoy a particular school subject or you need to pay attention in a long afternoon work meeting. They'll end up doing anything else that's remotely more interesting even if it's playing with their fingernails or examining the brickwork next to them
No one really likes the shit you listed, it's not a marker of uniqueness, it's just a matter of recognizing the importance of the boring things.
ADHD doesn't exist, it's just another American made up meme sickness to sell amphetamine. If you think it's real you're just American and can't be helped because you're hardwired to think so.
The point was they cannot make themselves pay attention to that stuff without resorting to extreme measures or medication
The main point of debate is whether this is caused by internal factors only, or whether external factors can affect the brain enough for it to be "ADHD".
In my case, in order to focus, I had to resort to self harm when I lived alone, but I am fairly certain that this problem with focusing was due to computer games induced overstimulation
>only do what you wanna do
>this is somehow a disorder (normal humans are hardwired to be lazy and seek pleasure)
>you now have an excuse to not actually try, but if you want to try, they will give you dopamine releasers so you can do math homework in bliss
Amphetamines are incredibly good at what they’re prescribed for, but saying you need them because le ADHD is cope
>ADHD doesn't exist, it's just another American made up meme sickness to sell amphetamine. If you think it's real you're just American and can't be helped because you're hardwired to think so.
Do you believe in any mental illness whatsoever? Or illness in general, or is it all made up to sell medicine?
>Is illness made up to sell medicine
Yes.
I'm nta, but I believe that there are certain psychiatric illnesses that should be treated with pills, but ADHD is not one of them. The illness exists, though, but it's dumb to fight the symptoms and not the cause.
I was diagnosed with it as a teenager and took ritalin for some time, although I was aware of the memeness of it even then. I just liked my Ritalin. I mostly snorted it which in the end wasn't too great for my mind's health.
Just live and eat healthy as a child, go play outdoor, have friends, don't look at screens all the time, sleep well, and there will be no ADHD.
>Just live and eat healthy as a child, go play outdoor, have friends, don't look at screens all the time, sleep well, and there will be no ADHD.
Out of curiosity, what do you think ADHD is? And if your prescription wasn't met when they were children and they are now adults with ADHD what is the solution?
>And if your prescription wasn't met when they were children and they are now adults with ADHD what is the solution?
I guess I would be one of those adults. For me what works is just the same I would advice to children, and probably most importantly not to be obsessed with psychiatric illnesses in general. People are different and nobody is perfect, you have good and bad days and life sucks sometimes, that's how it is and that's how it always will be. You're not a less valuable person because you struggle with certain things and if one good thing came about through this ADHD hype, it's that people realize they are not alone with their issues.
>Just live and eat healthy as a child
do you really think that's up to the child?
Folks are lunatics here about adhd & Adderall. It's just really sad.
For me, it's getting stuck on the unimportant stuff. I need to clean my kitchen counter so I can cook dinner. What do I do? Refill my salt & pepper shakers, feed my sourdough starter and organize the spatulas by size and color.
It isn't that it's even fun. It just takes over as "most important" because I can focus on this task instead of jumping between 5 others.
I've cleaned a closet for 8 hours instead of doing the basics of picking up the rest of the house. This isn't laziness. It's a disfunction.
I wish I knew what this was when I was a teenager. I could have avoided so much pain. I'm an old man and we just didn't know. That we know better now and so many are still promoting ignorance breaks my heart. It's dooming a lot of folks to never reach their true potential and suffer.
>This isn't laziness. It's a disfunction.
Holy excuses, post phone screen time
I've been this way since before flipphones, homosexual. I have nothing to prove to you.
Ok so what sort of help are we talking about if I’m like this, therapy seems like a scam, I don’t want to get a addicted to drugs and I will fricking die before asking for special treatment from my boss or colleagues.g280kg
Unironically this.
I was diagnosed with Adhd(don't even believe in it now) in 1996.
Was given ritalin and was a fricking zombie and stopped taking it after 5th grade.
Still went onto be a productive member pf society but I have to force myself to do things.
If I don't follow my regiment through and through I'm pretty much fricked.
ADHD isn't real. It's a consequence of having a hyperstimulated lifestyle and thus having dopamine tolerance. Because of your dopamine tolerance it's difficult to get the natural flow of dopamine in you that allows you to not get fidgetty and instead to focus on stuff.
That's why taking amphetamines every day is what those people do. They get a chemical upper for getting dopamine.
Everyone that claims to have ADHD is "cured" after a month in prison or in the military.
They basically do a fast of dopamine and their neurological circuitry go back to normal in a month or so. They were not able to read a single page of a book before without doing something else, and now they're able to read for hours without raising their head.
It's all behavioral and environmental. It's not real.
>adhd is just fidgeting and loss of focus
moronic homosexual
You sticking all your deficiencies and failures onto "adhd" doesn't make it real. Fix yourself by changing your lifestyle.
The rate of ADHD is correlated with screentime per day.
You know I'm right, but you refuse to admit it because you're too lazy to try.
> The rate of ADHD is correlated with screentime per day.
provide your source
>> The rate of ADHD is correlated with screentime per day.
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+rate+of+ADHD+is+correlated+with+screentime+per+day
I literally copy and pasted the sentence you little lazy c**t, and all the results are there. How fricking pathetic and resentful can you be that you can't even do three clicks but instead try to oppose the claim.
google is a content aggregator not a source. provide your sources. burden of proof is on you.
You're obtuse. The links are all there.
You won't even read the stuff anyway, you don't have the discipline.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9683344/
d.com/add-adhd/childhood-adhd/childhood-adhd-screen-time
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/screen-time-linked-higher-risk-adhd-preschool-aged/story?id=62429157
https://www.additudemag.com/screen-time-video-game-technology-dependence-adhd/
https://kidslox.com/guide-to/adhd-and-screen-time/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-children-who-have-more-than-two-hours-of-screen-time-daily-are-more/
I could give you 100 more links because it's a very well researched topic, but I know that you won't read them and merely try to discard everything.
You don't want an answer, you just want to be a poor little victim not responsible for your life.
Poor little sick child. It's not his fault he's a loser, he's sick. Come here, mommy will take care of you forever.
>first link
“in china”. easiest dismissal of my life. cannot be trusted.
>second link
states that screen time is higher in ADHD persons not that ADHD is fake.
>3rd link
same as second link
>4th link
states that ADD is worsened by technology and is addictive to those who suffer, not as a cause
>5th link
“ Experts analyzing noted that it was difficult to establish cause and effect from the data”
>6th link
same conclusion as the others. unable to establish causation, only correlation and does not refute ADD as a real condition
try reading your sources before using them.
thanks for playing. i won’t reply again. you
Yep, like clockwork.
Dismissal of everything for every reason you can think of.
You're a predictable man. Like all addict.
>same conclusion as the others. unable to establish causation, only correlation
You little goal-moving israelite. Ask yourself why you desperately want to convince yourself that you're sick.
Everyone would agree that it would be better to be healthy instead of having an incurable sickness. Yet you WANT to be sick.
Ask yourself why.
HOLY FRICK YOURE DENSE.
You dont have adhd, i think you are on the spectrum. Worse than anyone.
>You sticking all your deficiencies and failures onto "adhd" doesn't make it real
Black person. I swear to god you actually do have ADHD and OCD because you are fricking OBSESSED with your own bullshit.
I'm a successful business owner. I've never worked a 40 hour week in my life. I've been homeless. I'm literally unemployable so I had to start my own company to make money.
I have ADHD. I don't take amphetamines. It has never stopped me from being successful and I don't blame it for anything, but it is a real part of my life that I have to manage.
You sound like an incredibly dense homosexual. Probably a closeted homosexual with your head firmly lodged inside your own ass.
>ADHD CAN'T BE REAL
>HOW CAN MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN ME
>Y-Y-YOU'RE JUST BLAMING ADHD F-FOR YOUR F-F-FAILURES
and you're literally coping by convincing yourself mental ilness isn't real so you're on a level playing field with literal autists. Otherwise, if ADHD is real, you literally have NO EXCUSE for your failures and pathetic existence. Black person.
Nice redditspacing.
Go back to r/adhd.
>reddit spacing
Welcome, newfriend, nice of you to join us.
Lurk more before exposing yourself as a complete fricking homosexual again.
Nice man, yes I find it better to be self employed too. Work at my own pace and all my frick ups come back on me and I can handle them instead of it costing other people money.
>i have a dopamine addiction causing me focus issues, look at all the troubles my "disease" caused me
I fail to see your point.
>spends hours on IST hitting refresh waiting for (you)s
please, tell me more about dopamine addiction
I had ADHD before the internet or cellphones.
>ok boomer
moronic fricking zoomer
Sure you did.
>I fail to see your point
>i dont understand something so it isn't real
>everyone else is wrong
>Sure you did.
>look at this thing i googled
How many hours have you spent on this thread begging for (you)s
Zoom Zoom.
>Post body
You have autism, anon. lol.
>>Post body
>You have autism, anon. lol.
Didn't think so, pussy
>Didn't think so, pussy
The amount of time you spend obsessing over this thread says otherwise, anon
Someone objectively analyzing your comments in this thread would absolutely come to the conclusion that you're on the lower end of the autism spectrum.
>oh no im not moronic
>i was just pretending
Sure thing, bro. I bet you're a 140 IQ chad in your delusional fantasies. kek
I'm sorry, I don't respect DYELs who won't post body, kek
Go take your good boy pills
so you can't refute anything that I said. Typical moron.
This
was a little too real for you to respond, wasn't it?
Asking men to post their body is unironically the gayest thing a man can do. Believing that a picture of your body can win an argument is just pathetic. Assuming you actually mog anyone in this thread is just delusional, anon.
I'll make you a deal. Post body with timestamp then I will post mine. I guarantee I mog you even in my mid 30s. We both know you won't because you look liked meth addict right now.
>Believing that a picture of your body can win an argument is just pathetic.
Spoken like a true DYEL, I already posted my body, now you
>i already posted a random picture without a timestamp
spoken like a true homosexual that won't post his current body. We're waiting.
I mean it was me about 3 weeks ago but I guess you don't want to be embarrassed and that's okay
But the person who mogs wins the argument, sorry, you lose
>Go take your good boy pills
anon, you seem to lack the ability to follow a thread. I've never taken medication for ADHD and I've managed to build a successful business. ADHD never caused any failures, anon, I started poor and my life has steadily improved ever year, without medication. Once again, I know you will fail to understand anything that I've said because you're literally moronic. I bet you can't even get triple digits on an IQ test.
>p-p-post b-b-b-ody
post IQ. Black person brain.
Sounds like you don't have ADHD but are a typical underachiever that ends up freelance because he can't handle a proper job like a disciplined person.
>doctors diagnose ADHD
>moron on IST says it isn't real because just because
sound like you're moronic, anon
>underachiever
lol though. Low effort bait. I would say that I expected better from you, but I don't.
Sounds like you don't know frick all about dopamine's actual role in the body. Provide a single citation for your bullshit, I'll wait.
You're getting cranky, take another amphetamine.
>certain circumstances cause a person to have certain qualities
>but the word to describe this phenomenon "isn't real"
what do you think the word "real" means? Are you trying to say ADHD is used as an excuse to not change poor lifestyle choices?
This. Finally someone says it. ADHD is a made up disease thats a result of modern society.
I'm pretty convinced that playing league of legends has given me uncurable ADHD
Thats funny because its basically calmed mine down
>diagnosed with adhd in the 90s
>forced on medication by the school
>never really helped but now I love stimulants
>be 30
>diagnosed with Sleep Apnea
>have to jump through a year worth of hoops to get cpap machine
>get cpap machine
>all symptoms of ADHD go away
Wow! Wonder why its easier to get amphetamines than a machine that helps you breathe...
>Wow! Wonder why its easier to get amphetamines than a machine that helps you breathe...
Why?
did you snore? or did you have bruxism?
Real or not, the overwhelming majority of post-graduate/professional degree holders used ADHD meds to get through school. Drug testing prior to entrance exams would btfo admissions in every US institution.
Mental illness is caused my demons and low energy, bad energy management.
They're trying to convince you it's a physical / neurochemical issue so they can sell you pills that destroy your mind.
by*
>muh DEMONS!
>bitches don't know I'm le HAUNTED by evil DEM0NS!
>ONLY I have understanding, unlike those.. those israelites!
People spend all day getting dopamine hits for minimal effort online, smoking weed, eating like crap, and not sleeping. Then they go on reddit and someone tells them that their symptoms are a clear sign of ADHD. What a relief, that explains everything!
People like having a vague, non-debilitating problem that explains why they're failures without a clear cut "cure" that they'd be obligated to act on.
internet fault
ADHD isn't real.
Even if it was studies show there are no real solutions.
Medicine doesn't actually change outcomes, no better grades, no better work, no better life.
Social media convinced them.
ADHD isn't real, these are all problems most people have. you're just pussies and need special labels to have an excuse to tell to yourself why you're pathetic
>Why everyone is having ADHD now?
Because ADHD isn't a thing. It's a side effect of prolonged hyper stimuli, your dopamine receptors are so cooked from non-stop porn, entertainment, hyper stimulative foods and whatever else you consume in the 21st century that people literally have biologically programmed themselves into not being able to concentrate on anything that isn't super simulative.
The reason people are so apprehensive to this is that
1) Claiming mental illness is a very easy cop out for when you're at fault
2) We live in the age of oppression Olympics
3) Implying it's something you can actively work on and potential eradicate is bad business for big pharma and (like obesity) means that the person suffering from ADHD did this to themselves when they would much prefer to ignore that truth and just default to "muh fricked brain"
Chronic sleep deprivation and endless scrolling (which go hand in hand) atrophy the parts of your brain that regulate attention.
Just like troons, ADHD is real but only a very small fraction of the population has it.
Instead, our current environment rots our brains, and we develop symptoms that look the same as the illness.
>difficulty maintaining relationships
yep i think i have ADHD
>dude ADHD doesn't exist, it's just because you're not sleeping well
>years of porn and vydia fried your brain man you just need to exercise and diet
>ADHD isn't real, like, you're just smoking too much weed and not getting out of home enough
>people just invented ADHD to explain that they're lazy
>it's just the big pharma and the government trying to drug and control people, ADHD is a scam
>like, I'm 100% sure what I'm talking about, ADHD is just a fake illness and doctors paycheck, people are just lazy
why are people in this place so fricking dumb
>lists all perfectly valid points
>can only counter it with calling us dumb
bravo anon, least intelligent post of the day award is rightfully yours
the average fitizen thinks that exercise and diet can fix anything, and they're at certain point right, you can prevent and treat many health problems with just having at least a healthy lifestyle, but the average fitizen thinks that all meds will corrode your body and transform you into a "npc", or even think that all the meds are simply drugs that will addict you for no reason like
>ADHD doesn't exist, it's just another American made up meme sickness to sell amphetamine
none of these tin foil hats have a single idea of how pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics works nor even knows the differences between classes of drugs, isn't a surprise that they think that mental illness doesn't exist
Mental illness does exist but ADHD does not, simple as. It would not prevent one from being perfectly functional in a real situation so it's just an attitude and a symptom of bad habits and too much comfort. One should get his gut health in order, get a 6 pack and test for ADHD then.
Also both posts quoted are mine.
naturally, ADHD isn't a flaw but a brain power, during 99% of human story the ADHD brain had to work the way he had work because it was a natural selection of the most dispersive and attentive, the actual bad habits are more like a instinctive mental trap of technological and industrial society, actual ADHD makes you lose focus with the minimal thing that passes in front of you
>One should get his gut health in order, get a 6 pack and test for ADHD then
I concur 100%, but even a IST person can have ADHD and it can muddle his professional life, career and relationships
So now we have "brain power" ADHD and actual ADHD. Right. I can call ADHD bullshit all day. Did you try googling "symptoms" of it? It's literally Skill issue: the list.
>"Having trouble"
Seriously?
>Poor time management skills
Alarm clocks exist.
>Low frustration tolerance
aka being butthurt
>Problems focusing on a task AND Trouble multitasking
So which one is it? Btw multitasking is THE thing that kills productivity
None of those are "symptoms" for fricks sake.
I agree adhd is overdiagnosed and I really don't think we should be giving speed to children, but legit adhd can be pretty debilitating
>getting ready to go to the gym
>find shirt
>start putting shoes on
>check clock and 25 mins has gone past and I only have 1 shoe on
Where the frick does the time go
>actual ADHD
actually ADHD only*
i forgor
also these symptoms are just the scratch of ADHD, the most scary and post-perceptive symptom are the time you waste by simply brain fogging and the oppotunities you lost in life, so no ADHD isn't just a goofy "I can't focus and want anphetamine" thing
>get a 6 pack and test for ADHD then.
hahaha what the frick kind of argument is that, I still had ADHD when I was fit as frick.
>I still had ADHD
Can't be, since it's not real.
Cool man
I think adhd is real, but I think a lot of people abuse the diagnosis to get amphetamines so they can look at spreadsheets more gooder, even though that’s not something you’re supposed to be good at.
Also, a lot of younger people have fried brains from short-form internet posts, and that gets misdiagnosed.
For many people who report adhd symptoms, medication is unnecessary, what they need is a lifestyle change.
As an aside, I was diagnosed as an adult, but the stimulants made me euphoric and jumpy as hell, the way that you’d expect them to in someone without the [adhd paradoxical effect]. Any guesses as to what conditions I should look into? My executive function is garbage, I have the time blindness, easily angered but nowhere near as low impulse control as the adhd kids from when I was in elementary school, rejection sensitivity, some amount of anxiety, forgetting to text people back, generally a lot of the shit in the OP pic.
But when I take preworkout or drink energy drinks I get hyped as frick, chatty, enthusiastic, etc, so I don’t think it’s adhd, given that caffeine is supposed to make you sleepy when you have real adhd
firstly thanks for your intelligible appointment, the ~~*other anon*~~ was just attention whoring at this point
>a lot of people abuse the diagnosis to get amphetamines
yeah it exists, people think that ADHD meds are the productivity pills, but usually they don't work for them because some ADHD meds in non ADHD people cause anxiety, panic attacks and/or unproductivity by hyperstimulation
>Also, a lot of younger people have fried brains from short-form internet posts, and that gets misdiagnosed.
yes, any kind of addiction (especially the most modern ones like games, porn and social media interaction) can cause a "brain frying" and is scary how people are unaware of this, and I agree with the point below this
>the stimulants made me euphoric and jumpy as hell [...] when I take preworkout or drink energy drinks I get hyped as frick, chatty, enthusiastic, etc
every stimulant have their own effects on each individual, it can vary depending the dose and/or type of stimulant, caffeine doesn't make people with ADHD sleepy but also doesn't work so well, maybe you might be misdiagnosed
>Any guesses as to what conditions I should look into?
I'm not a doctor, but to be diagnosed with ADHD you have to do a neuropsychological exam, show symptoms AND do the EEG to have the complete sure, maybe you have anxiety or some offscreen sleep issue
>adhd meds in non-adhd people
Yeah, I’ve seen some people try to take it to study and end up having very bad experiences. Not something to frick around with.
>internet addictions and brain frying
This is definitely something I struggle with, I had issues with time management and whatnot as a kid, but it got so much worse when I started spending lots of time online. Porn definitely had a negative impact, gaming too. Although I’ve successfully dropped gaming, so at least I’m on the right road.
>stimulant effects, diagnosis
Yeah, I didn’t fully start tweaking out when I was on adderall, but it noticed I was talking a lot faster, slower to get vocally angry but also more tense, twitchy, subconsciously clenching my jaw, etc. it was not a fun experience. It also gave me pretty impactful vasoconstriction, my hands got cold and I couldn’t get hard at all. Vyvanse was a little smoother, but had most of the same effects.
As for caffeine, I do build up a tolerance but when I’ve taken a tolerance break, even like 150mg is enough to get me seriously hyped up to lift, feelings of vigor and slight euphoria. Even after a few months of daily use, a 250mg caffeine energy drink gets me going in a serious way. So, if caffeine resistance is a normal symptom, I definitely don’t have that.
>exams
Yeah, in the US, they are not giving people EEGs. I filled out like a 20 question survey and they gave me adderall lmao. Will definitely try to follow up with a doc for alternative diagnoses. Anxiety seems extremely likely, could also be a sleep thing. I know that when I have time to get into a healthy sleep routine, a lot of my symptoms are milder and more manageable.
Thanks for the in-depth response!
>have no focus, no discipline, few to no interests, no motivation because i can’t focus enough to do anything
>the few interests I do have I will obsessively hyper focus on and keep looking at and coming back to the same things over and over and over to make sure it is perfect
Let me tell you a story.
>have no focus, no discipline, few to no interests, no motivation because i can’t focus enough to do anything
*record scratch* *freeze frame* yup, that was me. You're probably wondering what I did about it. I just did things that had to be done REGARDLESS of how I feel, if I have the motivation, or focus. All you need to do is get a bit too close to death and suddenly once you realize you're mortal and will be dead pretty soon ANYWAY, you stop caring and start pursuing your real interests with passion. Suddenly, you don't need no extra motivation and no military discipline.
ADHD is just socially acceptable autism.
Normies won’t see you as a chris Chan type of sperg if you use the adhd excuse.
i probably could be diagnosed with this. im not going to though because its fake and gay. also if i started taking adderall i would become too powerful
Chicktok simple as
Soooo adhd is the new trend phrase for someone with borderline and who is also stupid?
adhd been a trend phrase since 2001
Not to the extent it is now. Not where I'm from anyway. Not nearly as many people were being tricked in to thinking they have "adhd" plus it never used to encompass all that op's pic encompasses.
>statement
Translation
>I have ADHD
I'm a self centred twat who eats too much sugar, drinks too much caffeine, lacks empathy and doesn't want to be held accountable for any of that
>I have high functioning autism/Aspergers
I'm a pretentious midwit with no social skills and I enjoy having a way to deflect scrutiny in an oversocialised society
>I have borderline personality syndrome
Look, it's REALLY REALLY important to me that I frick all your friends then self-harm when you threaten to dump me, OK?
>I have depression
I'm miserable because I'm a socially isolated underachiever, and I'm a socially isolated underachiever because I'm miserable, and FRICK YOU if you think I'm going to break that cycle
>I have hypothyroidism and PCOS
If you call me out for eating 3000kcal a day, I'll sic my feminazi friends on you
Based af
Mental illness is a myth, it is all behaviour
>ADHD is le real!
>muh chemicals!
Ask anyone who is diagnosed with ADHD, depression, anxiety etc "so when you got tested, what were your chemical levels?"
They will not answer you, because they didn't get tested. They said they fit the criteria and the ~~*doctor*~~ saw an opportunity to get a moronic patient who will come back every few months for the next decade and give them money for pills that don't do anything.
There is none of that shit in Hunter gatherer cultures. All of the above are symptoms of hopelessness and meaninglessness that liberalism has pushed onto the Western World.
>what were your chemical levels
Shitskin hands wrote this. They don't test "chemical levels" they measure brain activity using EEG
Okay
"What was your brain activity before the insane mind-altering medication?"
"Idk"
Every. Single. Time.
Also, imagine defending a made up illness because your single mum couldn't handle your energy levels as a boy.
>What was your brain activity before the insane mind-altering medication?
Extremely low alpha waves and very high beta waves. Also no change at all when my eyes close which isn't normal. Pic related is an example of what the eeg results look like. What makes you think I'm medicated?
>Extremely low alpha waves and very high beta waves.
Yeah don't worry, I assumed lmao
>What makes you think I'm medicated?
Because you wouldn't stick up for a made up illness that JUST SO HAPPENS to disproportionately be found in the sons of single mothers. Wierd how that works, isn't it?
>Because you wouldn't stick up for a made up illness that JUST SO HAPPENS to disproportionately be found in the sons of single mothers. Wierd how that works, isn't it?
This literally doesn't even make sense. You really are a shitskin aren't you? Do some research before offering your opinion next time. Adhd is just a behaviour pattern, are you really suggesting that every single person behaves/acts the same?
Kek, medicated mummy's boy is getting mad, is that one of your symptoms?
Get off tik tok, read, exercise and clean up your diet Tyrone and the "ADHD" will magically disappear
>what are your chemicals levels
Proven wrong
>what is your brain activity
Showed you
>well what about single mums?
At this point I asked you a question which you can't answer
>tyrone
You are possibly the dumbest shitskin on this board. You jump from one thing to the next as soon as you realise you're wrong. have a nice day immediately
PS I bench 160kg for a triple touch and go, don't tell me to lift you skinny fat shitskin Black person
Omg, maybe you need some more meds for your anger. Keep taking your good boy pills, they'll totally work if you just take more!
Also, no one cares about your bench, fatty.
I'm not medicated
>shitskin
Confirmed
>dyel
Confirmed
>skinnyfat
Confirmed
>Black person
have a nice day
>still won't answer my question
Typical
Post body
Answer my question first. If adhd, being a behaviour pattern, doesn't exist. Then do you believe every single human on earth behaves the same way? Or just no one can have that particular pattern of behaviour?
No, "mental illness" as just a disease you are born with is bullshit. Your childhood shapes your thinking and your behaviours in adulthood make that thinking manifest into a bad life, but you have a choice to not make your life worse but most chose to take the good boy pills.
Now, post body.
No one said adhd was a disease and I've never heard anyone call it a mental illness. So does this pattern of behaviour exist or not?
You're really delaying posting body. You bench a lot, you must look amazing, right?
Right?
Stop deflecting and answer the question first shitskin
Does the pattern of being easily distracted exist? Yes, no shit, but if you just cut out distraction and have some self discipline then you can overcome this without meds.
Now, post body
So adhd does exist then? Stop moving the goalposts to now say that this was all about medication when all along you've been saying it doesn't exist at all. This argument style may work on your fellow shitskin but not an ubermensch like myself
Not everything is a diagnosis you tik tok obsessed loser, are you a man or a teenage girl?
>muh ADHD
>muh Autism
>muh BPD
Everyone deals with things in their life, only weak and feminine men feel the need to diagnose and drug themselves.
Now, POST BODY, I have asked 4 times now and you said you bench a lot so you must look amazing, so go ahead. We all want to see the man who believes in mental health and how awesome he looks.
ANSWER THE QUESTION. You keep sidestepping it. Why are you so scared to admit you're wrong?
>not everything is a diagnosis
>autism
Yea OK shitskin let's go tell a 25 year old who can only communicate by screaming and shits his pants 10 times a day that he's making it up and he just needs some exercise
I'm not answering anything else until you post body, just admit you look like shit and we can end this whole thing or post body. You're either right, or you look like shit and we shouldn't listen to you. So go ahead and post body.
It's very obvious you know you're wrong. Just admit it and I'll post body
Cmon fat boy, we won't make fun of you, promise.
But you won't post, therefore I am correct, thanks for playing you fat spaz.
>Shitskin backed into a corner realizing he's wrong arguing with an aryan
Just admit you're wrong and I'll post pics of recent bulk and cut
He's doing anything to not post body lmao
>Just admit you're wrong and I'll post pics of recent bulk and cut
There's no cut, let's be honest, you fat addict.
Anything to avoid answering my question
What's more shameful, not answering some moronic question or not posting body on request?
We all know the answer, fat boy
Not answering a simple question. In a thread about the topic. Especially when the question was asked first. Answer and I'll post. Until then shitskin keep wishing you were white
I've answered like 8 of your moronic questions. So I'll ask again, post you fat body or stfu. If you are out of shape, your opinion is worthless in every subject. Because you won't post body, we all know you are in awful shape, therefore we can disregard your opinion.
You never answered you fricking idiot. Show me where you answered. The closest thing was this
>"mental illness" as just a disease you are born with is bullshit
Which is a cop-out because no one has ever claimed adhd is a disease you disingenuous moron. Answer the question and I'll post. Fricking low iq shitskin
I answered your shitty question right here
NOW POST BODY
Lmao so you admit that it does exist. Why all the hostility then you fricking black c**t
Being easily distracted is not a diagnosis, you moron
My God, please sort that skin out, that makes me physically ill. Your skin is blacker than mine due to the amount of acne you have.
6'7"
>height mugged
>skin mugged
>aesthetics mugged
Ouch, keep taking those pills though
>6'7"
Mate your barely taller than a colorbond fence
Also
>leaner than you
>stronger than you
Keep crying panty boy
>>6'7"
>Mate your barely taller than a colorbond fence
MASSIVE cope lmao, what am I, a foot taller than you?
Your physique looks like you gained muscle with no intentionality, no plan on how to look good but simply to make up for your skin issues and height
Top kek
I'm 6' and I reach the same height on one of those fences lmao you look like shit bro you're far from lean and not even strong. Stop posting vahoa
Last cut
Bulk
Now its your turn
>What's more shameful
begging anons to post their body, stupid homosexual
Post body
you guys aren't even real, why are you this mad?
but yeah, ADHD is just moronic dopamine receptors. i like having it though.
I'm not mad I'm just tired of the mental gymnastics people go through to avoid having to think. It's literally the reason for every problem with the world
>easily distracted
that's literally the opposite of what adhd is. once you latch on to a train of thought it's very difficult to get distracted from it
>very difficult
Oh no something is very difficult, better do some meth!
My God, just have some fricking self control
if you think it's just meth them you're clearly too moronic to reason with. does meth usually help you sit down and do the laundry? does meth help you remember to eat? does meth help you mellow out and not spaz about minute things?
Thanks ESL, but I have discipline and do those things by myself. You can do those things but you chose not to and instead take your good boy pills because big pharma lied to you.
you have the "discipline" because you don't have adhd. it's like saying "paralyzed people should just get up and walk around, it's super easy, i do it all day".
Exactly, I was a very fit ski bum, athletic as frick, healthy food, very healthy lifestyle and my ADHD was as intense as ever.
>my ADHD was as intense as ever
Assault a hobo and spend a month in isolation in county jail. You'll see that by week three you won't feel "intense ADHD" anymore.
Do a dopamine fast. Go in the mountain, in a cave, touch grass. Do what israelites do and don't touch an electronical device for a whole day every week.
I'm 30 you moron I spent 20 years of my life without a device.
I'm 31 and spent my whole life with a device. I was born with TV and a Sega megadrive at home. I had a gameboy at age 5 and a mobile phone at age 10.
What the frick are you talking about. Are you some zoomer that thinks electricity was invented 10 years ago?
It's pretty clear that you have to be willfully ignorant to deny the existence of ADHD since it is measurable in the brain and has extensive literature supporting it.
The question that results is: why? What do regular ass people have to gain by entering a thread and proclaiming that ADHD isn't real?
My gut feeling is that there's a specific persona, status, or image that ADHD deniers want to portray. Likely something to the effect of wanting to come off as superior willed and of greater capacity of the mind.
Some aggressive ADHD deniers actually have it themselves, it's a mixture of not wanting to admit they could possibly have anything wrong with them and repeating what they've been told their whole lives - that you just need to stop being so lazy and put in a little effort/get organized.
It's extra fun when their kid gets diagnosed with it and they refuse to let it get treated because of that mindset
The parents thing happened to one of my best friends who could ask you a question and then zone out during the answer before he finally got medicated.
Another case of contrarianism. They think that they're exceptionally smart and not like the npcs just because they're against a thing that most normies accept.
>not a single ADHD denier response to this post
really makes you think
Industrial chemicals cause it
Loss of delayed gratification is entirely to blame.
>all these homosexuals itt claiming they have adhd
holy shit what a bunch of women, kek. so many chicks and moron guys I know now claim to have this shit. they all smoke mountains of weed, eat takeout constantly, drink twice a week, and have tiktok installed. I egg them on just for amusement, tell them that having adhd must be ‘so hard’ and that they ‘definitely have it’ just so they never take an actual step to improve their lives. guess what fairies. studying and working sucks for everyone, but we do it because smoking weed bussing tables and eating mcdonalds is no way for a white person to live.
This, fricking based
"ADHD" is just an excuse to be unsuccessful
But I don't do any of those things
Because its really convenient to have a catch-all excuse that means you don't have to act like a mature or responsible adult
ADHD for me is asking somebody to repeat what they said three or four times. Even when you're trying to listen
goyslop
has just gone undiagnosed for a long time. ADHD isn't a disability, it's just bad for current school system. adhd people are perfect soldiers for example. a lot of people don't realise that you can utilize the hyperfixation shit for cool shit,and just usi it for anime or other dumb nerd shit. i aimed my hyperfixation thing on lifting and now that's my main hobby.
most adhd people just fry their dopamine receptors with porn and hollywood dhit
>he has ADHD and can't focus Dr. Pillstein!
>what about video games, sport and building things?
>well yeah he can focus on those but he can't focus in math or English class
>say no more, here is some meth
>what ADHD actually is:
>literally any negative behaviors or thought patterns
Oh boy guess I'll go take some Ritalin
The complete collapse of parental discipline.
I have no contribution to make except to not take advice on anything from the moronic ill willed scumbags who post here. Treat it all as entertainment and rely on the opinions of educated, normal people. Don't be fooled into thinking these morons are even remotely connected to reality.
Especially as a young person. Case in point, this stupid homosexual:
Because modern psychiatry is mostly made up bullshit. They classify classifications, come up with terms and illnesses, but never actually cure anything.
Ever heard of a schizophrenic get better? No, the only thing they can do is chemically lobotize them.
ADHD is just another classification, but of rather common personality traits. Whether it's a real disorder or not is up for debate, but the cure for it definitely isn't shoving meth-like drugs down a kid's throat.
I remember I used to play video games on US servers and made a few friends. Half of them sounded high all the time. When I asked them why they sounded like that, they all said ADHD medication. It's absolute insanity how modern society allows this to happen, but it is what it is.
Those drugs can give you "focus" but not without a cost. Much like roids can give you gains for a price on your body.
You have one brain, don't be a moron and frick it up with "MUH ADHD MEDICATION"
>difficulty maintaining relationships
yep, mainly friendships. i’ve been happily with my gf nearly five years though
>depression
yep
>inability to focus
yep
>poor impulse control
yep
>forgetting to eat, sleep, bathroom
yep, shit myself a bunch of times
>problem focusing on interests
yep, haven’t touched my drumkit in ages, flunked out of uni
>difficulty switching tasks or sticking to one
yep
>mood swings
yep
>hyperfixation
yep
>financial problems
yep
>anxiety
yep
>sleeping problems
yep
>poor sense of time
yep
>trouble regulating emotions
yep
>chronic unemployment
in the past yes but i’ve been fine past few years
>choice paralysis
yep
>uncontrollable fidgeting
yep
>forgetting thoughts
sometimes but not often. i have good recall
>APD
nope
>RSD
yep
>executive dysfunction
yep
>SPD
nope
>trouble recalling words
nope
>losing items
nope
>all or nothing
yep
im fricked aren’t i?
im 28 btw
Sort your life out, you bum
im trying. its been a long process. i’ve been waiting to see a specialist for about 18 months too. the NHS is hot garbage.
You don't need a specialist, or the NHS
let me guess, i need muh disciprine and to give up le porn le internet le social media le caffeine le sugar?
i don’t watch porn. i don’t use social media except for messengers. i drink coffee occasionally but not relentlessly. the internet is required to live in the 21st century and i barely use that now, i rarely have my pc turned on. i prefer savoury to sweet foods and i don’t like chocolate. cmon. what meme will you throw at me?
>i don’t use social media except for messengers
IST is a social media you dummy. You are getting dopamine from getting replies to your posts and arguing with people. Most of us are here because we like to argue and get dopamine from that.
Don't lie to yourself. Cut your screen time in half and go meditate for 10 minutes.
>IST is a social media
frick off back whence you came. IST is an pseudo-anon imageboard . there is no socialising. we aren’t friends. i don’t share your posts. i don’t try to link up with you. i don’t share pictures of my dog with you. get a grip.
almost anything. i could be out walking, reading a book, listening to music, playing drums, reading articles, watching a tv show or movie, digging in the garden. it can be anything i get absorbed into that i don’t want to stop doing.
Not that anon but just because it's psuedo-anonymous doesn't mean its not social media. Tiktok is social media and most people just use it for videos and junk. Reddit is very similar to IST. If the definition you're going by is connection or active building of relationships online its very outdated.
That died with early-mid 00s facebook and myspace. It's all about making $$ off users now and algorithms. IST is very much no different in this regard and hasn't been since moot left.
Sharing images, even reaction images or replying to this post counts as socializing. Like it or not.
>IST is an pseudo-anon imageboard
A social media.
It's social. All we do is talk to each other.
It's social. It's a media. It's a social media.
Just like twitter, just like reddit, just like any other forum or imageboard.
Here is another (You), I know you love those and that it gives you dopamine, which is what you're here for.
You love social media.
>there is no socialising. we aren’t friends. i don’t share your posts. i don’t try to link up with you. i don’t share pictures of my dog with you
You just described Reddit. Are you also going to say that Reddit is not a social media? You're being silly.
> You just described Reddit.
lol what? every single one of those things happen on reddit you fricking child. did your flyover hickville only just get dialup or something?
You admitted to accidentally shitting yourself because you forgot to go to the bathroom.
What are you doing when you forget to go to the bathroom?
who could have predicted putting the government in charge of healthcare administration would be a bad idea.
not fricked because of what you said, but because that whole response was genuine
channel your energy into something useful
Easier to sell meds. I found out I have OCD a few days ago, though
the modern world is becoming harder and harder to deal with if you have ADHD. if i was alive 200 years ago and lived on a farm like 90% of other people then ADHD wouldn't have affected me that much and I wouldn't seem all that different. the modern world with its instant gratification and infinite stimulation from the internet, porn, and video games and whatnot make it harder to deal with
>the modern world is becoming harder and harder to deal with if you have ADHD.
You don't have ADHD, you're addicted to stimuli and this causes a dopamine tolerance.
I live in a country where prescribed amphetamines are illegal, so ADHD is treated with no medication whatsoever, simple Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and people have a better remission rate than in the rest of the world.
Change your environment, change your behavior.
Spend your next weekend camping in the woods with not much to do, you'll see if the following monday you don't feel relaxed, calm, without having much need to "stim" yourself.
Put down your phone you addict. You're like fat fricks that don't understand why they are fat.
>CBT
CBT referred me to psychiatry specifically for ADHD/Autism because it was deemed ineffective.
explain that one.
Yeah, taking amphetamines alleviate your symptoms WITHIN A DAY. It does not cure anything.
CBT takes time and effort. Swallowing a pill (thanks Pfizer) does not. That's why we also give diabetes pills to obese fricks instead of giving them a therapy to learn how to eat properly instead.
Welcome to a pharmaceutical dystopia. Treat the symptoms with meds they'll take their whole lives instead of getting at the root cause.
you can give someone a hammer and a nail but just because the moron doesnt know how to use a hammer doesn’t mean its ineffective
Like I said, in my country amphetamines are illegal, even as meds.
So they cannot just give pills to someone every day for the rest of their lives, they HAVE to do something else.
And CBT works. It takes months or years, but people end up cured, free of symptoms, and drug-free.
The same thing can never be said for those that take amphetamines. This is why the cure rate is higher here than in the West.
ADHD isn't a real thing.
But I know that none of you spaz will watch a video that would contradict your convenient life view that tells you that none of your failures in life are your fault.
It's sooooo convenient to have a "disease" on which you can blame all your problems. Nothing is your fault, nothing is your responsibility.
You're just a poor little victim.
>low view count
>low subs
>entire comment section dissecting and BTFOing the video
yeah , shill your channel somewhere else
Yes I admit, it is I, Thomas Armstrong, Ph.D., also the author of The Myth of the ADHD Child, I am currently posting on IST.
Lmao moron. You're too lazy to listen to a video. Maybe he should have put more colors and flashing pictures.
I'm proud of my IST bros. Most of you seem to be aware that it's a fake disease for the maladjusted.
In other places like /LULZ/ or Reddit, ADHD is commonly talked about and no one dares to talk about it not being real. It's too important for the people there to have an illness they can hide behind.
Nicotine worked for me.
Dosage?
>Why everyone is having ADHD now?
Tiktok is even more dopamine-driven than youtube was before that. Kids can't focus for more than 12 seconds now.
Because there is a massive profit motive to convince as many people as possible they have it.
its just a side effect of the digital age, everyone uses tech, everyone sits in front of a screen for hours on end, everyone engages in social media,
so why wouldnt it make sense that now everyone has ADHD as a consequence?
>if i just read headlines and not the body text, i win!
>YOU CHALLENGE MY BULLSHIT? I WIN!
wait, who is the one with ADD again?
lmfao.
You do know that not giving me a (You) is not a punishment for someone that doesn't have dopamine addiction, right?
You're just not doing it because you know it would hurt you, right?
You're a weak man. You ask source of correlation, get the proof, then say that it doesn't prove causation, therefore you'll ignore it.
I accept your concession. Consider this your last (You).
A big part of it is that it was discovered that woman can have it too so suddenly it gets way more attention and is important.
>A big part of it is that it was discovered that woman can have it too so suddenly it gets way more attention and is important.
That's also true. "ADHD" used to be a "little boy" disease. We gave pills to young boys that were not sitting calmly in class like good little goys, and now it's also a disease for 20-something females that have trouble adjusting to adult life, or "adulting" as the zoomers say.
yeah the funny part about this is these women complain about how men with ADHD were privileged for being diagnosed at kids while the women were discriminated against. It's hilarious because the kids getting diagnosed were absolute little shits who disrupted everything and lots are probably living terrible lives right now, they were diagnosed for a good reason because there was clearly something wrong with them. Women go and call that a privilege baka.
>ADHD is not le real yet it has correlations with external stimuli
> You little goal-moving israelite.
> I accept your concession
The dopamine-addict is immunized against all dangers: One may call him lazy, weak, pathetic, leech, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a dopamine-addict and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I’ve been found out"
>i swear i'm not an addict, i can stop whenever i want
Not what I said you fricking bender
ADHD is a real disease guys.
Trust the science.
Take the meds.
It's safe and effective.
You autists can't seem to understand that ADHD is a series of words used to describe the symptoms of living in modern society. You're trying to argue that words don't exist. I know you can't understand how moronic this truly is, but I think it's hilarious, even if you can't understand why.
>just go in the woods and it goes away
>just go to prison and it goes away
>just stop participating in society and it goes away
>just stop doing the thing and the thing stops
>look the thing isn't real cause i stopped
You aren't making valid arguments. You're just artistically screeching about some of the reasons why ADHD is on the rise. You haven't disputed anything yet. lol.
adhd was critically inderstudies amd underdiagnosed back then. ppl who didn't take their meds then are now additionally getting them prescribed after getting a late adhd diagnosis
@71259375
>You have autism
At least autism is a real disease, amiright.
Jesus after reading this thread I know that ADHD isn't real, but I also know that Autism for sure is.
I have crazy mood swings. They're within 5 minutes of each other too.
Everyone has different emotions from one moment to the next.
Letting them control you is merely a lack of fortitude.
I'll have an order of ADHD please thank you.
Sure, I'll prescribe you to stay inside and browse tiktok for 6 hours straight then try to read a book. If you fail at it, then you got it and you can officially call yourself ill and ask for amphetamines.
If it doesn't work, keep doing it. It's a matter of time before your dopamine circuitry is overstimulated and you develop dopamine tolerance.
Would you like that served with a side of autism?
Tism is actually the main course
It’s easier for me to rob people now. I can just walk up to a person and show them family guy clips on my phone. Meanwhile I take out their wallet with my other hand.
How can anyone participate in a thread that ends up like this and claim that this isn't the worst website in the world
>making fun of my heckin conditionerinos
I'd unironically rather have cancer than ADHD.
Well good news, only one of those is real, so you'll be fine
If everyone posting in this thread committed suicide, society would be better off.
I know right. Those people that invent fake diseases to make themselves feel better about being losers are pretty pathetic.
>If everyone posting in this thread committed suicide, society would be better off.
there's like 4 people in this thread and 3 of them are OPs alternate personalities
This whole thread feels like the conversations inside my head
these idiots cant survive with hurling insults at each other, normies here can't fathom that adhd is real and spergs here are too ignorant that there are different lifestyles with adhd for different persons
>Suffer from pretty much every problem in the bottom of the iceberg
Do I have the ADHD?
No, since it's not real. We covered that.
No, no one does
>Hey kids, I'm Dr Shekelstein
>Did you know, some experts agree that studies suggest there's a newly discovered mental health disorder that lowers your quality of life? I call this "Being normal syndrome"
>symptoms of Being Normal Syndrome include
>Finding it difficult to concentrate when distracted
>Feeling low or depressed immediately after something bad happens
>Fatigue after extended mental or physical exertion
>Sometimes getting an itch under a fingernail, and being frustrated that the only way to scratch the itch is to hit your fingernail
>Do the above apply to you? Then you'll be relieved to know you can qualify for neetbux and social privileges by getting a formal diagnosis from me or one of my affiliated franchisees
>Don't go undiagnosed, get meds for this debilitating condition! Let's normalize the frick out of this, just like your favourite social media personalities do
You lack self-discipline. That's what ADHD is. You can fix it by training your willpower like you would a muscle.
well you are correct in a way - 50 years ago people just accepted that some people are diligent and some are lazy. Why are some people lazy? We don't know but we sure know they are. What does "lazy" mean exactly? Doesn't matter, it's self-evident. If people want to cling to this mindset, sure why not but times have changed and the discipline of psychology has progressed. Now we have better understanding of the types of "lazy" that exist and how some of those types can be fixed. Basically we separated "lazy people" into three groups: Depressed, who could do stuff but they don't see the reason to. ADHD, who are motivated to do stuff but they have problems doing it. And the rest of them who we still haven't figured out.
For most people ADHD can indeed be treated without meds, kind of like how most fatasses can lose weight without meds. That doesn't negate the fact that people who need medication DO exist, albeit there are significantly fewer of them than suggested by popular culture trends.
you are shit.
ADHD is as real of a disease as depression is.
Exactly. It's a state that your lifestyle put you in, but it's not a disease per se.
It's as much a disease as being sad or tired is a disease.
>no life accomplishments at 31
>unable to focus on anything and just burn all my time fricking around on the internet, if i don't have the internet i just stare at walls
>needs to do something, go to another room to do it then immediately forget what i came there for
>when i do come upon something that interests me, i autistically hyper focus on it and obsessively check it, edit it, want to make it perfect, so i hyper focus on these things that really don't matter in the grand scheme of things but then completely ignore improving the big things that have ruined my life by not developing them
>extremely sensitive to certain sounds and can't focus on anything if i hear annoying sounds but my growing anger about them
i gues adhd is fake but i dont know what this would fall under
Functional autism and bad parents.
it would fall under you being a homosexual for trying to put a label on yourself because you have le quirky behaviors that make you “not normal”
I just realised, reddit is down so there's a bunch of redditors here which explains all the onions boys defending their addictions
Yes I have noticed an uptick in chinese product shills, sissies, and extra moxyte schizophrenia today.
Life is incredibly boring and sanitizedz
The pic was made by someone with adhd probably because some symptoms are there multiple times.
This isn't adhd, it's called 'adult life'.
>put monkey in cage
>monkey becomes suicidal
>give monkey antidepressants
Literally all of those are natural reactions to having a dopamine dispenser in your pocket 24/7. Even the ""experts"" admit that ADHD is not based in genetics, its developmental (aka environmental).
>ADHD tends to run in families and, in most cases, it's thought the genes you inherit from your parents are a significant factor in developing the condition. Research shows that parents and siblings of someone with ADHD are more likely to have ADHD themselves.
Why does this everyone in this thread have have such strong opinions about things they know nothing about?
>research shows
>heres what the experts have to say
>the experts weight in
>a new study says
I know more than these idiots who all parrot each other
>even the experts admit
Why are you quoting yourself?
Auditory processing disorder is real https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_processing_disorder and it SUCK ASS
Also: ADHD is a description of a set of highly-correlated symptoms, it isn't a label for a disease that is causing those symptoms (though, in the future a causal mechanism might be identified and confirmed that explains most ADHD cases). If you match the symptoms the DSM lays out for ADHD, then you "have" ADHD, but that's literally all it means. But, some people get an ADHD diagnosis, they try the techniques correlated to improvement in symptoms, and their symptoms improve
29/M/Diagnosed inattentive-ADHD here.
What most of you aren't taking into account is how much MORE attention needs to be paid in the modern era. Going outside and touching grass? Sure, I can concentrate on that. At work (IT) I am bombarded by thousands of "social tests" daily. Look this way, act this way, type this way, make this joke, make eye contact, pack a lunch, make small talk, answer phone, etc. The shit is never ending and exhausting.
It's not just about paying attention to boring things, but the overstimulation of constant tasks that must be executed perfectly according to those around you and the noise in your brain that won't shut the hell up ever it never shuts the frick up
Not to mention MEMORY ISSUES. God damn. I can't remember phone numbers, names, faces, email addresses, IP addresses. Hell, I can't remember anything unless it's written down. Even on the phone I forget their name by the time the conversation is over.
Holy fricking manchild
This is called being a functioning human in a work environment, you literally sound like a 14 year old tik tok girl lmao
man the frick up soi boi
>forgetting things mean you're functioning correctly
highly overblown on TV and in internet.
I think adhd is a symptom not a separate disorder or diagnoses on its own
$$$$$$$$
>adhd doesn't exist bro, just learn to concentrate
>alzheimers doesn't exist bro, just don't forget things
>parkinsons doesn't exist bro, just stop shaking
>paralysis doesn't exist bro, just get up and walk
>blindness doesn't exist bro, just open your eyes
One of these things is not like the others
I take adderall to help me focus on my multimillion dollar software company and I take intense joy knowing there's broke wagies on this site who seethe at something that has zero effect on them.
why is it that every one of those "conditions"/"disorders" all the symptoms and all of them describe the same ones
Any other Auditory Processing Disorder bros here? It's fricking unbearable man, I wish I could just hear people normally.