There is literally NOTHING wrong with carbs if you are an active guy and eat them to fuel your lifting and cardio. If you look at actual athletes and their diets, you will see they eat a ton of carbs.
KETO is mostly an excuse for lazy fat fricks (with no self control) to stuff their fat faces with bacon and burgers
Eat carbs if you actually want to lift heavy and also enjoy running/cycling/swimming/whatever
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Agree but glucose, dextrose and starches/polysaccharide chains only
Sucrose, fructose and galactose are garbage shit
Depends on the carbs you eat. Modern day bread is garbage tier, completely processed. Bread usually only takes about 6 ingredients to make, nowadays it's more than you can count.
Carbs are good if you expend the energy you gain from it. If you sit on your ass and eat carbs all day, you're basically giving yourself a lot of energy and then a dip for no reason.
TLDR if you don't lift and you have an office job / easy going job with little to no physical labor, living off fats is more sustainable and you'll probably feel better.
If you want to bodybuild, yes carbs + protein + fats are kino.
>Yeah eat my bullshit sugar replacements, but fruits are bad!
GTFO American
>More ingredients is bad because...BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY?!
Not him but you are a moron.
True. Anyone who sees actual gains is eating a TON of carbs.
>Oh no teh ingredients!!!
It's me, you are a moron
Apples are high in fructose, are you saying those are bad for you?
Yes
ok, now prove it.
As I suspected. Saying "apples are actually bad for you" is not 1+1=2. If you cannot back up your claim then it is quite worthless.
fiber + sugar + water = healthy?
Refined sugars are bad for you because they are burned fast and you crash faster
Fructose is released more slowly and more sustainable
AMERICANS GET THE FRICK OFF THIS BOARD YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DIET OR NUTRITION GO FIX YOUR FRICKING COUNTRY BEFORE YOU EVER TALK HERE AGAIN AS IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Yes, those are all things your body needs to operate effectively. And since your body is required to work to break down an apple to get at its sugar, it doesn't have the same ill effects you get from processed sugars like hfcs that the body absorbs instantly.
>are genetically engineered apples with 30g of sugar bad for you????!!!?!?
>genetically engineered
genetics=scary
every food has been genetically engineered to be bigger, even meat. so you should stop eating.
and even the air you breathe is produced by genetically modified plants, so stop breathing
the problem with apples is that they were bred specifically to be sugar bombs
it's literally tree-grown candy
nothing wrong with that but a pitiful amount of micronutrients doesn't make up for it
Just having a lot of sugar isn't automatically a bad thing. Apples are lower on the glycemic index than all grains, oatmeal, and even vegetables like peas and carrots.
and a high glycemic index is not a bad thing
if I'm eating carbs it's because I need to fuel my cardio
fat can fuel cardio without giving you diabetes
Carbs don't give you diabetes so
>a high glycemic index is not a bad thing
Oh? Why is that?
i will eat my bananas and i will be happy
>Fructose is bad for you
Absolute cringe and moronic take.
Educate yourself
https://umzu.com/blogs/health/sugar-is-good-for-you-the-power-of-sugar-for-the-metabolism
>sources say man made food good!
>Educate yourself
Ok, I read your link.
>Besides the evidence that fructose creates more CO2, it also has been shown to lower the insulin response whenever added to glucose.
Yep, those mass monsters sure do get big by lowering their insulin responses. Only small dudes inject slin to stay small
>glucose
Okay time to candymaxx
goyslop
kings eat meat
Based. Slaves get angry when bad goys refuse to eat the slave feed.
This.
Grains are for peasants and peons, always have been, always will be.
I'm not keto, but my only carbs come from dairy, fruit(berries, almost exclusively)and the odd bit of potato or oats. Always below 130g.
Kings were obese and died young
This is true but you're going to get endless kvetching at this fact
The truth hurts
Athletes eat carbs because they're athletes
For fatties doing baby's first cut they don't need carbs
Also learning to get by without carbs just incidentally introduces good diet habits
As long as you don't go full moron and eat steak and bacon 10 times a week it's fine
>burgers
>keto
lol
You can have carbs and s
Even simple carbs like sugar imo. I'm not a gymcel I eat what i want and lift and look good.
This site is making me paranoid. Can you make gains as long as you're not eating junk food and eat whatever you want (in moderation)?
No. Body composition for a natty is hugely influenced by diet. Food changes hormones. Hormones change body composition.
Bullshit post Chad eats pizza and looks good.
Once you hit a certain amount of lean mass you unlock insane diet flexibility by virtue of having so much muscle to fuel. At a maintenance of 3k+ you can basically eat anything you want so long as you get enough protein and make it in the ballpark of your calories.
Because Chad has a high FFMI and therefore a higher BMR
Ryan Talbot just won the decathlon thanks to his carnivore diet.
Carbs are a meme.
I eat them so I can lift hard and still run every day
Keto is for diabetics and pre diabetics which now accounts for almost 50% of the US
it doesn't work for them. My bloods were in the pre-diabetic range after months on strict keto, due to the fat clogging up the insulin receptors. You may not like it, but plant based whole food worked in my case.
Take your blood sugar, keto nards. You might be shocked.
>LCSFA β-oxidation induced reverse electron transport generates superoxide to signal that the cell should stop taking up energy
not quite as pithy as your version but more correct
Yeah but guess what 98% of people are either fat or doing just enough cardio to not get fat.
"People who are not fat and are also do such intense cardio they need loads of energy" is really really small
I love my carbs. God damn, I love them.
>eat carbs
>get fat
no thanks
To be fair, this looks like a total increase in consumed calories. So it is open to debate if the carb itself is the problem, or if the influence of higher total energy input combined with a more sedentary lifestyle are to blame
seems to perfectly correlate with the increased popularity with deep fried fatty fast food chains. what a coincidence
Okay, that's a lot of fat and carbs and not much protein or vegetables. All this proves is that either fat or carbs makes you fat and that either carnivores or vegans or possibly normal people are right.
>either carnivores or vegans are right
That's a big gap lol
Difference between wheat/grain/refined carbs and carbs like potatoes, rice etc.
Difference between trans fats and saturated fats
pufas for the insulin sensitivity
carbs for the insulin
remove one, both or count calories to stay slim
Ketolards in my experience are the least likely people to ever post body.
ketoschizo posted body, I have yet to see a vegan
I've seen some vegans post, I think I remember ketoschizo was he making the threads like daily a few months back? I was gone from here for a few months.
ketoschizo doesn't exist. you have a mental illness.
you are in fact talking to a multitude of regular, normal people. they are all different posters - i assure you. many are baffled by your crippled mind (probably due to lack of nutrients from a vegan diet).
they tell you you are mentally ill, because you are. please get help. the treatment you so desperately need, veganschizo. i beg you. end this shadow-boxing with invisible opponents. end this endless fight against yourself, and you can finally declare true victory: the victory of mental health and proper nutrition.
ketoschizo is the guy from /fat/ shilling carnivore moron
There is nothing wrong with carbs even if you don’t have an active life.
>there is nothing wrong with consuming your body’s preferred energy choice
Gee who woulda thought
Inflammation apparently. Also the fact of getting tired after eating and experiencing energy level shifts throughout the day. If you can find me a carb diet that is non-inflammatory that would be pretty good. I've tried carnivore and had steady energy levels all day every single day. That alone has improved my quality of life so dramatically that I don't want to go back.
If you could show me a diet with carbs in it that doesn't make me sleepy randomly and also after eating then I would eat carbs.
>dyel
No I'm a fatass that's losing currently. I'll get on the train when I hit my goal weight. Not gonna be lifting in a massive deficit
You know if you have no energy to lift because of the deficit, you could eat some carbs like an hour before your workout? But then I guess you wouldn’t be doing your meme diet that you’re going to rebound from in a few months
>carb diet that is non-inflammatory
plant based whole foods only, nothing white or processed. Slow release, high fiber. Last known hunter gatherer tribe ate 100-120g fiber daily with four plump shits. Thats your natural state. They had three times the gut microbe diversity as the average Amerinard
Look at our closest animal relatives and how monster strong they are, their guts aren't all that different, except they are better adapted for fermentation. All they eat is plants. Strongest, with the biggest swinging dicks on land. A lion has a tiny wiener.
Gorillas eat 60 pounds of food per day you absolute moron, and chimps eat meat all the time. They even eat each other. By the way, primates fling their shit, frick in harems and kill weaklings, should we do that too?
they also eat their own shit to get vit B12. vegans should do the same
Yes.
yes
>What do we long for when we see beauty?
>300lb animals eat more food
Who would have thought
Gorilla dick size average is 3 inches, it's just a fun fact I like to share
Your fat is your carbs, thats why you fricking moron
Fat people truly are stupid
I eat over 300g of carbs daily and am currently 9% body fat. I do resistance and endurance training. I only eat rice and oats as my carbs though, breads and pasta are fricked up and literally make me feel like shit
keto also causes insulin resistance in the long run, basically fat clogs the insulin receptors. There aren't any weird tricks really one way or the other, there's always a balance.
Also too much fat is really hard on your liver, and you end up overproducing bile to break it all down, and the waste product is really bad for your colon.
At the end of the day, there aren't any long-lived, healthy populations that drink fat all day. Eskimos die relatively young. Too much omega-3 is worse than not enough, because you need a certain level of inflammation in your body for critical functions. There aren't any weird tricks at all.
>mentions carbs
>only posts grains
You've got grain brain my dude, maybe if you posted some potatoes i woulda taken you seriously
>yes goy eat those carbs, fat is bad for you!
now post mongolian liver cancer rates
hit and a miss autismo
You aren't a Mongolian warrior
YWNBAMW
We know
Most people here eat too much protein not enough carbs and not enough fat
You need 0.8g of protein/lb of LEAN body mass
Double that for your carbs
And fill the rest of the calories with fat
Dieting isn't hard once you know your ratios
T. 3+/4/5+
Peak bodybuilding stats:
274lbs@<8% bf @6'4
I agree, consuming enough dairy means you'll only ever be in mild ketosis.
trust me, carbs are evil.
carb the frick up passive aggressive estrogenic grain bros
God that looks delicious. Id kill for some nice seafood pasta rn
He be bulkin
This athleticism can only be achieved with carbs.
With that bulk, everyday is leg day. When that guy will be cutting he'll be jacked af.
"Fuel your lifting" except it's completely unnecessary for fuelling anything. You're just addicted to the stuff and you use it as a post-hoc rationalisation, as though if you weren't stuffing your face with man made crap you wouldn't have the energy to get out of bed. There are people on zero carbs winning ultra marathons and meanwhile some fat frick on IST thinks he needs to gorge on grains to fuel his PPL workout. The body makes what glucose it needs.
Lol
Samegayging this hard
>everyone I disagree with is one person because I'm so right there must only be one guy who disagrees
Yes mysteriously 3 people in a row, 1 minute after another had the same opinion
No moron if you want proof, tag all the posters that disagree with you , and I will show you there are more than 4 people here who think you're brain-dead.
>Oh no there's people that disagree with me
I haven't seen a keto thread in a year, yet here you are lmao. Spamming your own thread 10 hours later.
You know how we know?
You type the exact same way moron
How hard is it to imagine that more than one person can disagree ketoschizo?
It's time to take your meds
This kind of moronicness is only possible with a keto diet.
and what exactly is that photo meant to indicate? because to me it's the same thing
People post the graph in the top right to show a divergence between sugar intake and obesity but its on a short time scale and a relatively small change
>keto ultra marathon winners
Source?
Post body (you won't)
False idealism. Clothes and coffee aren't necessary. They are beneficial
Even if it were true that keto eaters were winning ultramarathons, which I doubt, why would you compare an ultra endurance sport like that with explosive, high strength, rapid, high performance activity?
"ultra marathoners" basically powerwalk for 50 miles. It's more of a mental challenge than a physical one.
Nooo i must eat carbs to bending one joint with some weight on the end
These are the people telling you not to eat carbs
I just had a lot of sandwiches because I was too lazy to cook anything 🙁
Reminder zero carb morons are all mentally stunted and depressed, that's why they lash out at anyone who disagrees with their meme diet.
>the brain competes with the rest of the body for glucose
more like fatty acid oxidation translocates GLUT4 away from the cell surface to save glucose for the brain
>Source
>Google
Stop samegayging
The brain can use ketones. Eating no carbs does not mean no blood sugar. Your liver is always producing glucose whether or not you eat glucose
Its not optimal
that's why doctors actually recommend keto diets for people
They don't but ok
>The brain can use ketones
Your red blood cells can't. And ketones aren't exactly optimal for the brain. Otherwise it wouldn't preferentially use glucose when given the choice.
i eat spaghetti or bread all the time and i consistently weight myself from 60 to 70 kg. keep in mind im 193cm tall
i also do burgers and pizza but it's pretty much the same anyway
post skelly body
if i ever get either fat or muscle i might post it, until then i'll keep it to myself
Why do you continue to eat like this when it's causing you to be morbidly underweight?
Carbs are essentially concentrated energy void of any other benefit than being batteries. So if you're using tons of energy, of course it's fine to go nuts on carbs. If you're a couch potato, not so much. Which is the problem.
How much "energy" you should consume to warrant such consumption of carbs/calories derived from carbs? Is 1 heavy weights workout every other day enough? Is 1 workout per day enough? 1 workout and 1 cardio session? 1 full marathon a day?
Truth be told nobody fricking knows. Just eat clean, there's literally nothing else to it.
Agreed. I'm all about high fat, absurd numbers of eggs, and drowning in butter, because I actually lift, but for that same reason I need carbs. I don't think ketogays are fat because how the frick could you gain weight without carbs? They're either twinks or conveniently aren't talking about how their 6 cheat days and how they're totally gonna get serious with their diet on monday.
All that said, I ain't eating much bread. I feel ten times stronger with just rice and potatoes for carbs.
I feel more energetic when I am on a keto diet.
I feel more energetic when I do meth. That must mean meth is good for me.
Hm you're right I should do meth thank you anon for being so incredibly fricking moronic for even making that statement
The cope is real
Yes, do nothing that increases your energy. You're a fricking genius. Do everything that make you feel absolutely lethargic and lazy.
Christ we got the next Einstein right here
>I put X in my body and I feel good
>I put Y in my body and I feel good also
>ITS NOT THE SAME REEEEE MEAT IS GOOD FOR YOU
You too, are completely autistic, and you deep down know that you are, yet it will crush your ego if you acknowledge it
Either that or you have American education same for you
>posts graph of a bunch of drug trials funded by drug companies
This has nothing to do with diet frick off
>the studies saying meat is good for you isn't funded by the beef and egg companies
How new are you
my favourite is raising HDL with drugs that inhibit its proper function and then claiming that high HDL through diet isn't actually useful
It's okay to eat carbs, men can get pregnant these days, I don't judge your addiction.
I'd eat more carbs if I burnt more calories, I'm at 160p, 165c, 85f at 2100 calories a day rn and I only eat meat a few times a weak cuz I'm cheap as heck.
I still have one carb heavy meal a day, but it's be so much easier if I could eat more calories, it'd all go straight to carbs.
It'd also be easier if I just ate more meat lmao
Damn the sugar addict is lashing out again.
Did you fast for 4 hours? Are the cravings too strong?
>NOTHING wrong with carbs if you are an active guy and eat them to fuel your lifting and cardio
>KETO is mostly an excuse for lazy fat fricks
No. Keto is wrong for everyone. Don't eat high-fat diets. Carbohydrates don't convert to fat readily, while fat you eat is fat you wear. In fact the few medicines which are approved for weight-loss work by preventing fat from being absorbed.
>Source: The 50's
>Carbohydrates don't convert to fat readily, while fat you eat is fat you wear
>Medicine for weight-loss
LMAO if your weight loss depends on 'medicine' you're already a lost cause
He’s right, glucose is rarely converted to fat, it’s an energy intensive process.
glucose raises insulin and then makes more fructose into fat in the liver
>carbs raise insulin, a hormone needed for them to be actually useful as fuel
I'm glad you could get there on your own
>word salad
What
its not word salad. if you have high insulin more fructose will turn into fat
In excess anything turns to fat. Eating fruit does not cause "high insulin"
fructose makes liver fat more than anything else. I didnt say fruit but high fructose specifically. most fruit has enough fiber that the fructose wont make it to the liver
other than alcohol obviously
This is the fitness board. Nobody here is mainlining high fructose corn syrup. You are making generalizations about fructose and then alluding to unhealthy foods. Its dishonest
the dose makes the poison. i shouldnt have to say that a coke isnt the same as a few apples like im trying to fool people that theyre the same
You made sweeping generalization about fructose and glucose in general.
See
, your original post
Are you implying glucose turns to fructose? It doesn't. Besides saturated fat intake is even higher causation of NAFLD than even fructose. For obvious reason. Gotta pack it somewhere out of bloodstream post-haste to keep system running, might as well pack it to liver and muscle cells causing fatty liver and insulin resistance.
Your reading comprehension is equivalent to your value as a human: zero.
These are the same people telling you that lifting isn't conducive to weight loss. I lift. I eat fatty meat. I cannot stop being lean and hungry. I don't trust a word they say.
That said I read How Not To Die and it was interesting. Makes it seem you can starve out cancer.
>Makes it seem you can starve out cancer.
in theory, you can shrink cancer and make it easier to deal with, while slowing down its growth with like a very light vegan diet and high impact exercise. You obviously aren't going to cure cancer though
>while slowing down its growth with like a very light vegan diet
vegan diets are usually high carb and most cancers feed exclusively on glucose
>There is literally NOTHING wrong with carbs if you are an active guy and eat them to fuel your lifting and cardio
There is literally nothing wrong with carbs, period.*
Okay, most of us are not fricking professional athletes and have real jobs we have to go to you moron. We can't all make our lives entirely focused on exercise. A low carb diet is still ideal for most people.
half of that shit is full of sneed oils and pasta cointain a disgusting amount of energy in consideration of its portion size,
broccoli, carrots, potatoes and few more for flavour and vitamins is enough for me for carbs
Literally nothing in that photo has seed oils in it besides the sliced bread, MAYBE.
literally half of the pic is bread and looks like the typical store bought garbage filled with sneed oils
by my experience carbs are great to bulk, maintain, or get fat, depends on how much and what you do
if you wanna lose weight eating them a lot is like shooting your own foot
Not good not bad just carbs, choose them wisely
captcha: grains(lave)
>mfw when the food pyramid was accurate all along.
Should have just listened to mom.
I literally don’t eat anything in that picture ever and I exercise twice a day lift and run
i sit on my ass for 9 hours a day and swim like 30 minutes after work everyday, does this apply to me too?
newbie here
Yes
>some type of refined garbage sugars are bad for you therefore all carbohydrates are bad
>>some type of refined fats (trans fats) are bad for you therefore all fats are bad
Carbs are based, however if you have metabolic syndrome, a period of intense therapeutic fasting and keto to reset insulin sensitivity, followed by a gradual reintroduction of healthy carbs, can be very effective.
Actual athletes who eat a lot of carbs have never been fat, and fricked over their metabolic flexibility. People who are overweight/obese should do keto with fairly intense caloric restriction until they reach a healthy BMI. It's a lot easier and psychologically less taxing than eating higher carbs at a deficit, imo.
Keto doesn't reset insulin sensitivty. Everyone fails oral glucose tolerance test after high-fat diets, and internet is rampant with people wondering why their blood sugars are so high on keto. It causes insulin resistance. There's a reason why ketogays only stare at A1C marker, because that doesn't reveal the diabetes they got as long as they keep doing low-carb diet. Everything else does.
So does sugar or saturated fat cause diabetes? WHAT THE FRICK IS IT.
Saturated fat.
I don't believe you
Ok
Being fat caused diabetes. Only link with sugar is that sugar makes ppl fat if more is consumed than burned off. Free fatty acids in the bloodstream are partly to blame for diabetes but its mainly inflammed fatty tissue that cannot regenerate because there arent enough bloodvessels close to it. The cure for diabetes type 2 is also just to lose weight, if you are not too far gone(in which case you wont lose the weight anyways since ur biblical tier).
I'm not fat but have a slightly high blood glucose and 0.1 over the A1C limit. Just a little protrusion in my belly region and I don't drink soda and rarely have sugar. It's probably all the carbs I eat
Saturated fat.
Fasting blood sugar levels and glucose tolerance. Like I said, keto shills deliberately focus on A1C and don't talk about the other two metrics at all since everyone on prolonged high-fat diets fails those.
What other markers should people be looking at? Personally I don't abide strictly by low carb but mentally I perform much better on low carb and add some carbs prior to workout and I'm wondering if that can induce hyperglycemia if I get carried away.
Don't be an idiot. There's an abundance of clinical evidence suggesting LCD has a positive impact on insulin sensitivity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8500369/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24015695/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31217353/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26638192/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33390277/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33652715/
Read every one of those studies before you reply.
Where are the keto advocates who aren't morbidly obese or using steroids?
Is this a joke?
Do you need me to repeat myself?
>hey bro just read all this shit I googled that I haven't actually read myself
Picked your last study at random and it doesn't even try to address activity levels and their effect on insulin sensitivity.
I'm not an obese diabetic/prediabetic. I'm a lean, athletic individual. These results are meaningless for me.
The best way to fight metabolic syndrome is to do more physical activity and stop eating junk food.
>give you clear instructions to read every study before replying to me
>you admit in your reply that you picked a single study "at random"
My god, you people are impossible.
If I recall you ketolards do the exact same thing whenever veganschizo appears
You haven't read those studies, you've skimmed the abstract and decided it supported your position and thought you would give it as homework to people before they have the right to disagree with you.
Slurp some more bacon grease you fat frick
The thing is you didn't read them. You searched low carb benefit or something and posted them en masse
The "positive impact" goes away the second you eat a carbohydrate. The benefit is within the boundaries of a chronic diet. It levels out, it doesn't improve the actal functioning of insulin once you do actually have to use it when you eat carbohydrates
Simple carbs are good. Whole grains are poison.
Carbs are for the chickens to convert into the eggs I eat.
>eating carb-loaded goychickens
NGMI
yes there is
I've been ripped drinking 600 calories of beer every day so I believe you
Since fit is wrong about everything, does this mean that the path to fitness
>eat lots of carbs
>cook with sneed oils
>do lots of cardio
Yes, besides the fact that fit acts like fat isn’t bad, so sneed oil is ok but not too much
I don't really notice any benefits going over 100g a day tbh, I eat white rice and veggies and have energy for an hour of cardio a day, walking 20k steps, work and 4x workouts a week with moderate volume
I read Lyle McD claim that that even a brutal marathon full body session will only use the equivalent in glycogen of 40g of carbs max
>Brutal marathon full body session
>160 kcal max
Lyle sounds moronic
I try to avoid cards cause they r ez to binge on and that shit is gay