Deadlifts have to be the most overrated exercise in existence for hypertrophy (unless we're talking about RDLs).
I swear 90% of the people who go on about them are DYELs with one rep maxes of 4 plate and just do them to feel superior to other gym users.
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yeah pretty much
>Shit 2-year lifters say when they're still gaining muscle from shit like 'hamstring curls'
Lol. Just wait till you plateau after 5 years of lifting and we'll talk. Every single big natty lives and dies by deadlifts
post body (you wont)
I would post my body, then you'd call me a DYEL.
I'd then point out I deadlift over 200kg which proves my point that deadlifts are shit for hypertrophy.
I'm pissed off I got memed into becoming a pseudo powerlifter by the SS mongs
what kind of hypertrophy were you expecting from deadlifts?
they're a glute exercise, they give you a big ass, that's about it.
Idiot moron moron
if you thought they were going to make your back bigger you're doing them wrong.
Stop existing
>noooooo the rest of my body didn't get huge from doing an ass exercise
who would've thought.
If all you do is powerlift yes you will not get that big
It's all about combining bodybuilding with deadlifting
First do lots of pump works like hyperextensions, pull ups, rows, curls etc. and then go into deadlifting.
and yet you never posted body at all
>over 200kg
That's weak. That's like 180 kg x 5, literal 4-6 months on SS tier.
post 200kg dl body lardass
>dislikes deadlifts
>instead of just not doing it goes on a spam crusade trying to justify not doing them
ngmi
>deadlifts are bad
Alright fair enough, where’s your alternative?
for me it's the trap bar deadlift.
conventional deadlift puts far too much pressure on my lower spine, no matter how much i deload or practice form. i blame my long femurs, short torso and long arms.
i did SS for 5 years and never breached 140kg
>i did SS for 5 years and never breached 140kg
Are you 4'6 or something?
>i did SS for 5 years and never breached 140kg
Maybe that's because you did a novice program that's MAXIMALLY supposed to be run for 8 months for about 10 times longer than it should be run and are clearly a fricking moron who has no goddamn clue what he's doing and never will. Confirmed dyel for life, give up. You should've probably read a single page of Practical Programming.
>conventional deadlift puts far too much pressure on my lower spine, no matter how much i deload or practice form. i blame my long femurs, short torso and long arms.
More evidence you have no idea what you're doing and haven't read a single page of SS. Literally quit.
it's not that deep bro
trap bar deadlifts are fair I like them too for higher rep sets.
strength is largely genetic most people aren't good deadlifters but it's still one of the best lower body exercises, and has a lower risk of injury than squats.
you don't need to be that big or heavy to deadlift 4.5 plate, literal skeletons can pull 6+ if they have the right leverages and strength genetics.
> literal skeletons can pull 6+
Post one example
Not him and not 6 but this guy has a very unimpressive physique and legs in particular for how good his deadlift is
Yo joe Biden gettin a lil swole in this one frfr ong
here's a skinny junior asian kid with glasses deadlifting 247 as an opener as if it's a joke.
>sumo
>genetic outlier top 10 worldwide
You really think this was a good example?
People look big from the front if they have big arms, big chest, big shoulders, and big quads. The deadlift trains none of these things well.
Why are you so argumentative?
It's recreation, I enjoy it.
It's almost like a weight class sport that has two two lower body movements that are also much heavier than the upper body movement favors people who specialize in those two and don't develop their upper body. Amazing.
Not him
, the original guy who said post example.
I tried to look for pics of his back and glutes but there was none since those are the muscles primarily taxed in the deadlift
> conventional deadlift puts far too much pressure on my lower spine, no matter how much i deload or practice form. i blame my long femurs, short torso and long arms.
Lol, you clearly don’t know how to deadlift because you literally have the more ideal anthropometry for deadlifts. 200kg beltless should have been a sneeze for you to achieve
yeah well...whatever dude. i think i got weak glutes. i hurt my lower back twice from pulling because i didn't realise i need to push into the ground and use glutes. i thought deadlift was a pull exercise.
so it actually wasnt the lift causing the problem it was the fact you were doing a lift without knowing the proper form
i think you're right sir. i am sorry for slandering such a perfect exercise. i'm going to the gym today but it's push day. i think i will still try some deadlifts though. perhaps i am going to make it after all. godspeed you magnificent basterd.
Its okay anon ygmi. Id recommend you try doing some below the knee rackpulls after squatting on leg day as well to get your lower back stronger.
Braaap bar deadsniffs
>troonybar deadlifts
just squat homosexual
Cleans
Cleans are good, but this thread is about hypertrophy, for which cleans are awful.
You're just a moron who thinks 4pl8 is a heavy/good deadlift, when it's literally achievable in less than 3 months on SS.
A decent deadlift starts at 6pl8+, and a good deadlift is 7pl8+. Men who deadlift 6pl8+ conventional generally are not dyels.
Even Zach evett or whatever he was called didn't hit 4 plate
To sum up this and every other deadlift thread: all you dyel morons on fit think that somehow a 4pl8 or 4.5pl8 deadlift is strong/impressive, when it's the same tier as a 2pl8 bench. People who bench 2pl8 are dyels and people who deadlift 4.5 pl8 are dyels. This has nothing to do with the deadlift being ineffective and everything to do with the fact that those numbers are simply not very strong.
Unless you start out obese, you’re not pulling 405 in three months. And definitely not for reps like that other gay was saying. And if you *do* achieve that, it’s not going to be by doing 1x5 deadlifts 1.5 times per week. Post body, SS shill.
You're just a GDE and weak-minded. These are pedestrian and easily obtainable numbers on the program. Many people end the program with 4pl8 x 5 squats and 4.5 pl8 x 5 diddies. Sit down and shut up.
*doesn’t post body*
>waist under the door knob
>that israelite fro
You will never make it manlet israelite
I’m 6’1 and Arab brah. Read up on camera angles.
>Doubt
You have a single example of a guy who ended with 50 lbs less and think it's evidence to the contrary? You think that means no one gets over 4pl8 x 5 because he didn't? Are you moronic?
Getting a 3.5pl8 x 5 deadlift in 3 months is not as unrealistic as you think for a young and reasonably athletic male. Men like that often start at 2pl8 x 5 and increment their deadlifts by 15-10 lbs for the first few weeks. That rapidly adds up to 150 lbs in 3 months.
>many people
Name one, or post body.
Me. I ended with 420 x 5 squat at 175 lbs, 5'11
Post body, anon who totally achieved 2.5x bw squat for reps after 3 months trust me bro
I post in /plg/ all the time. And I didn't say 3 months, I said the end of SS. 7 months.
Damn good shit anon im mirin
Nice, but we were talking about what you can do in three months, not 7. Still very impressive strength for that time and just in general, and props for actually posting (didn’t realize you were a tripgay).
A 4pl8 deadlift on SS is entirely reasonable in 3 months for an athletic male.
I’m
. To be clear, I deadlift and I think it’s good for hypertrophy. I think people who disagree should look at guys like Arnold, Ronnie, Cbum…every big guy ever, and realize that they might be wrong. I just think you’re overselling how fast noob gains are and how good starting strength is.
Once I started taking deadlift training serious I got to about 405 in a month and a half. I have long arms and legs though so results may vary.
Where you lifting prior to doing the deadlifts like squatting and doing back work?
Yeah but I was mostly doing meme routines and never actually did any lower back work or any remarkable weight on squats. I started doing 3 different deadlift variations through the week following a PPL DUP program and it did wonders on all of my lifts
LMFAO
They’re also fat you dumbass. For non competitive powerlifters getting fat and fricking up your joints just so you can impress three people at the gym for ten seconds is fricking stupid. And honestly it’s pretty fricking stupid for most people who are powerlifters too and random shows
>yeah it hurts when I walk and I’m a fatass but I deadlifted 700 pounds and got third place in a powerlifting meet nobody cares about!
Yeah, fat in a weight restricted sport. moron. And yeah, turns out you need to harbor reasonable body fat percentages to be strong while natty. You're the one with body dysmorphophia who thinks 12% bf is the superior state.
Honest question here. 4pl8 is 2 on each side right? I can do a set of 4 with 6pl8s total. Never tried my 1r max tbh
4 each side
No, it's 405 lbs. Sorry bud.
Gotcha. Getting there.
I love deadlifts and they make me better at climbing. Kindly frick off, Black person.
Yes, but we are in an odd time where acknowledging you’re in the gym to look good and get big muscles is seen as a bad thing. You need to train like a powerlifter and athlete and frick up your joints and see subpar results for absolutely no reason or at most playing 10% better in a rec league nobody cares about. Still like doing deadlifts though
the reason powerlifters frick up their joints isn't due to deadlifts, it's mostly bench, shit messes up your rotator cuffs long term for pretty much everyone.
competitive benches are wider than gym benches for this reason, they strain your shit less.
I like deadlifts, it's my favorite lift, and even I know it sucks for hypertrophy and is useless outside of the gym. You rarely lift things in real life in the deadlift stance.
deadlifts are great for hypertrophy, just not the kind many people care about, there are not many exercises that target glutes as well as deadlifts do, and there aren't that many that translate directly to power in other movements such as jumping either.
powerlifting has weight classes most dudes outside of the higher or open classes are not fat in the least, morono.
it's 4 on each side.
>glutes
Lunges, split squats, hell even squats are way better
>jumping
deadlift is slow and controlled. Jumpers practice explosive lifts, not deadlifts.
>Lunges, split squats, hell even squats are way better
none of these are better than deadlifts and squats have once again a higher risk of injury than deadlifts do.
>deadlift is slow and controlled
are you actually moronic my man?
> Getting stronger doesn't help you jump higher
Absolute moron
No it doesn't you absolute dingdong. If it were true all powerlifters have 40 inch verticals.
No, because explosivity is controlled by your ability to quickly recruit muscle mass and contract it. That's essentially genetically determined. Getting stronger means there's more to recruit and helps a bit (but also adds weight), but how high you can jump isn't particularly trainable. The best way to increase your power clean--an expression of power--is to increase your deadlift. What does that tell you about jumping?
God I forget some time how fricking stupid many people are.
Anon, you can't into basic logic. Frick's sake.
Based deadlifts turned from my least favorite lift to my favorite lift. I alternate sumo and conventional on pull days and then do romanian on leg days.
>You rarely lift things in real life in the deadlift stance.
That's not how it works, brainlet. How often do you squat things in real life? The point is it makes your muscles stronger not what position you do shit in.
You guys are both morons. You absolutely do lift things IRL via hip and knee extension while isometrically contracting the back musculature and abs. This is EXACTLY what happens in both lifts. You guys are so fricking dumb.
No, you're dumb, because you think your point somehow precludes mine. Obviously you lift shit by extending your hips. The point is you don't have to be in some specific stance, the lift just makes you stronger for all applications.
No shit, squatting makes you globally better at hip extension even if you're not squatting. Your point doesn't preclude mine, sorry.
Tbh I can't disagree, most people seem to deadlift just to brag about it. Idk about how good of exercise it is
Deadlifts are the physical manifestation of toxic masculinity
homosexual
because we are better
And the only reason other lifters don't do those weights and orm is because they'd rather not snap their spines or permanently loosen discs.
deadlifts have one of the lowest risks of injury most athletes such as swimmers, runners and climbers do them.
>one example
feel free to check any weight class below 80kg almost all deadlift specialists are just skinny dudes you absolute autist.
I feel like if you do injury yourself doing them it's not gonna be a minor injury though
There's a powerlifter at my gym who has perfect form evetytime I see him but he still manage to herniate a disc
you can say the same thing about literally every compound lift ever, you're more likely to frick up your back doing rows than deadlifts.
deadlifts are not very technical compared to squats hence why the risk of injury isn't that high, it's a very natural movement.
almost as if you were wrong then?
nice.
Deadlifts, squats, and deadlifts are all great for muscle building and anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong. Also, deadlifts give you a big thick back, and if you disagree with this you don’t have a big thick back.
You're a fricking moron. I thought we left subhumans like you on r/fitness in 2010. Go read a study about what muscles DL train you dumb Black person. You're just another proof that deadlift trannies are people who never trained and just regurgitate what they've read on r3ddit.
He couldn't even make a list of three without repeating lol.
Could anyone give some tips on how I can get a better deadlift? I'm currently on 3.5pl8 doing 3x8 but really struggling once I add weight.