If veganism is wrong, why do vegans live longer and with less disease?

If veganism is wrong, why do vegans live longer and with less disease?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Truth.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ACK!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >one guy

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Stay mad cultoid. Your leader looks like a woman, can't lift anything heavy, can't run a mile. Sad.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >nothing of substance
          >haha he's ugly

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            he's a fucking malnourished twig you retard

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          that's a man

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Malaga,Spai...New Jersey
      Da fuck.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You have a study that compares vegans to meat eaters with similar rates of health-seeking behaviours don't you?
    Because, given that vegan/vegetarian lifestyles are perceived as healthy, then the average person following those diets probably avoids most or all junk food, doesn't consistently eat excess calories, doesn't drink much alcohol and gets regular physical exercise.
    Do you have a single study that attempts to control for these confounding factors? Or do you have studies comparing vegans/vegetarians to the average fat drunken junk-food eating westerner?

    https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4897
    >vegetarians had 20% higher rates of total stroke (hazard ratio 1.20, 95% confidence interval 1.02 to 1.40) than meat eaters, equivalent to three more cases of total stroke (95% confidence interval 0.8 to 5.4 more) per 1000 population over 10 years, mostly due to a higher rate of haemorrhagic stroke. The associations for stroke did not attenuate after further adjustment of disease risk factors.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. Fuck's sake. If you are paying attention to your diet AT ALL you're already in the upper 15% of health probably. I hate these misleading studies.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ding ding ding
      thread answered

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The science is settled
    The experts have spoken
    In a rare independent study not sponsored by Beyond Meat or the grain industry something that every culture ever has consumed has been found to be positive for human health.
    Floyd status: It ain't easy beeing breathey

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you read the study (you didn't) its literally a joke

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        uuuh rapeseed oil xisters... how are we gonna spin this one

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          One is a modernised economic miracle thanks to the British. The other is a failed experiment of the British with gang rapes, unsanitary conditions and poverty. Not eating meat is just the cherry on top of the shit pie that is the average Indians life

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >ketolards will complain about confounding factors then unironically post shit like this

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          In India there are no toilets.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Still waiting for you to read the study.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Maximizing for longevity isn’t the goal of life. Of course we shouldn’t needlessly shorten our lives with high risk low reward behavior, but if you actually start looking into all the things you need to do to maximize longevity, you realize you will have to live an extremely boring life, and your entire life will be centered around uninteresting routines to maximize longevity.

    It’s not a good idea to only look at longevity as what makes an optimum diet, as if you adjust a vegan diet to be more optimized for sports, you will then not have it optimized for longevity.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the goal of life isnt to live
      Wow. Ok.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >>the goal of life isnt to live as long as possible at the expense of everything else
        FTFY

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >meat is worth dying over
          That's an ED right there

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I guess everything has a price but it strikes me as very weird that this guy can keep using up hearts

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        We can put you in a vegetative state and have you hooked up to lots of machines that will make you stay alive forever. Do you agree?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >you realize you will have to live an extremely boring life, and your entire life will be centered around uninteresting routines to maximize longevity.
      Cope. The longest-lived people who live in the "Blue Zones" also lead extremely fulfilling lives.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >i am vegan becau-
    didn’t ask?
    brb having a fuck off big chicken burger

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's no such thing as a "chicken burger". You're thinking of a chicken sandwich.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    imagine liking chicken but cucking themselves their whole lives so the omnivore bull can get all the meat

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I guarantee you've converted literally 0 posters here to your cause, vegan shill.
    You spam these threads all day for at least the past week and it gets you nowhere.
    No one wants to join your gay ass starvation cult.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >If veganism is wrong, why do vegans live longer
    They die young and from heart disease, the exact thing their diet is supposed to avoid
    >and with less disease?
    Vegans have tons of diseases from their nutritional deficiencies. Haven’t you ever seen how many pills one of them takes in the morning? Vegans are also always on some kind of mood stabilizer or antidepressant or something. Hell, they often can’t even go to sleep without pills.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >vegans live longer and with less disease
    kek

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      These are fruitarians

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I went to a vegan restaurant for the first time last night. The highlights:

    - You couldn't order a normal salad. All vegetables on the menu were fried, processed, or pureed in some way.
    - The "cauliflower wings" were far too Hispanicy hot to eat- they tried to cover up the lack of flavor of the fake wings by adding stomach-churning levels of Hispanices. Everything ordered was far too Hispaniced or salty, come to think of it.
    - The fake steak on the menu was $45. It wasn't even meat, and they were selling it for $45.
    - The meal came to $50 per person, after a 20% required gratuity was added to the bill, for a few appetizers and entrees.
    - Our waiter was clearly high out of their mind.

    It was by far the worst dining experience of my life, bar none.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegan Shill Detected!!!
    Deployement of Anti-Vegan Science-based reasoning.

    Don't belive the Lies of the Vegans.
    Don't fall for their Vegan Propaganda.
    Inform yourselves, Knowledge is Power, especially when defending against Vegan Lies and Propaganda!

    Anti-Vegan Rundown Part 1, Pic related.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Part 2.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they watch what they eat. The average person eats whatever the fuck they feel like. Do these studies even control for exercise?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The trick is to compare the average vegan that has to take dozens of supplement pills a day and watch everything they're eating to not just die, to the average obese american that still eats mostly plant based food, mixed with some shit tier fried meat.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much no vegan does that. Meanwhile meat eaters over here taking test and preworkouts and beet juice and NAC and lions mane and whatever new mushroom came from an eceleb's lips because meat is sooo much better lol

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          creatine deficiency really does impact your brain

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    there isn't a single, true vegan that doesn't look malnourished. it's either a fatass, or an auschwitz mode.
    >b-but Patrik Baboumian!
    Not only he lies about what he lifts, he likely blasts an unreal amount of test just to look like a random natty.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there isn't a single, true vegan that doesn't look malnourished. it's either a fatass, or an auschwitz mode.
      Fucking retard. Every single vegan that doesn't get to be a meme is just a slightly normal looking but still malnourished vegan. We are just posting the memes.
      There isn't a vegan who isn't malnourished.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't. The reason vegans live longer is because they are always compared with the rest of the population. Vegans tend to have healthier habits than your average wagie (they aren’t fatfucks, care about their fucking diet and nutrients, take supplement when needed, do sport…).
    If you want to prove that the lack of meat/fish/eggs is the specific reason vegans are healthier then you need to compare them with people with similar habits but also consume meat.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So compare them to fitness conscious people?
      >Meanwhile bodybuilders dropping like flies

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >roid junkies
        Next time try to not cherry-pick

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bodybuilders are not fitness conscious people. They are narcissistic aesthetes.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don't and you're coping.
    Almost all the benefits of veganism come from polyphenols that reduce gastritis and thereby decrease inflammation increase absorption.
    You can easily achieve the same thing by eating more fruits/vegetables with a heavy meat diet.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the benefits of veganism are the vegetables
      Yes that's the idea

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you un-ironically retarded?
        I gave you a clear and objective interaction as to why vegetables and fruits should be added to a diet. Not be a staple of a diet.
        Literally and only because of Polyphenols.
        Polyphenols are the only thing found in vegetables that are not found abundantly in meat.
        So by supplementing polyphenols you can effectively remove vegetables entirely from your diet.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >replace veggies with pills so you can eat a meme diet
          You have an eating disorder

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >replace meats with vegetables so you can eat a meme diet
            you have an eating disorder : )
            Haven't eaten a vegetable in 35 years.
            Just fruits and meat.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't but good on u bro enjoy ur colon cancer :*~~

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you incapable of reading?
                Polyphenols are the leading fighter of colon cancer.
                Fruits have polyphenols.
                You don't need vegetables, there isn't a single chemical, nutrient, or mineral found in vegetables that isn't found in either meat or fruit.

                You can go away now cope gay.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I restrict the healthiest food group so I can eat a meme diet
                That is an eating disorder. But ok bro 🙂

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >baiting this badly
                no

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >coping this hard

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you're a vegan you probably live in a first world country in a location with an abundance of goods and services. You probably have money and healthcare.
    If you live in Bumfuck Nowhere or some kind of low income project/scheme you probably don't have a vegan supermarket with organic food from the entire globe flown in. Obviously those people have a lower quality lives.

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bad data, vegans are inherently more interested in health than the average amerilard, they are also wealthier, etc. of course veganism is healthier than straight fast food, need to compare veganism to a healthy diet with animal products

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >they are also wealthier
      this mainly.
      being wealthy means not eating fast food.
      causation=/= correlation when it comes to eating vegetables and being ~~*healthier*~~.
      It's literally just not slamming down grease ball fast food all day.

      I've seen plenty of unhealthy vegans who drown their foods in excess cooking oils and add sugars and shit to everything.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Polyphenols are not beneficial to humans. What a silly conversation.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The japanese live to 90 on average and they drink a shit ton in green tea. What do you say about that. They also eat a 70% grain based diet with low fatty fish like tuna and other sushi. Even the pork in noodles+broth barely has any fat compared to a burger in the USA

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They also don't overeat and eat only to combat hunger...

        Not the best way to eat other than in absolute state of scarcity.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then how come any given fitness/health/lifestyle enthusiast who pushes a meat heavy diet doesn't live that long? Surely health conscious people don't overeat

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > Could it be PEDs.
            > Could it be not enough rest.
            > Could it be, alcohol and other drugs involved in party life style.
            > Could it be inherited diseases that stop them short?

            You are ruling out everything else as a possible claim than meat based diet. Stupid ass vegan, kiss my grainy asshole.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              So vegans don't get diseases that are inherited? They don't party? They don't drink? They don't stay up late? That's your argument. Your argument, whether you like it or not, is that despite all naturally occurring negative lifestyle factors, vegans live longer

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Those that do die up younger than meat eaters, grow up smaller than meat eaters, enjoy life less than meat eaters as they are constantly worrying about muh animals. Get your gayry back to lé réddit.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And you don't have a source for any of that

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Just like Vegans don't for their information, checkmate, atheist piece of shit.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah ok buddy

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Roids. They die of roids. Or trying to catch trains

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vegans live longer than the average (American) person because the average person eats like shit. People who make conscious decisions about the way they eat obviously have a certain level of self control and therefore, most vegans don't eat like shit and eat relatively healthy stuff instead. Of course it's more healthy to eat a "good" vegan meal than to stuff your face with white bread, highly processed meats and seed oil based products while chugging gallons of sugar water.

    But the health benefit has nothing to do with veganism itself; both not eating like shit and becoming vegan merely have the same cause: Self discipline and being conscious about what you eat.

    If you compare a vegan to a meat eater with self discipline who actually cares about what he eats and therefore eats a good diet, the vegan loses by a wide margin due to B12 and creatine deficiency.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >If you compare a vegan to a meat eater with self discipline who actually cares about what he eats and therefore eats a good diet, the vegan loses by a wide margin due to B12 and creatine deficiency
      Do you have a source

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        d.com/food-recipes/news/20030618/vegetarian-diet-b12-deficiency

        https://www.news-medical.net/news/20191222/Vegans-at-risk-of-vitamin-B12-deficiency-finds-study.aspx

        https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2022/01/10/Danger-of-B12-deficiency-among-vegans-warn-researchers

        https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-b12-foods

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          None of these prove your claim that vegans lose to meat eaters who are health conscious. Health conscious vegans take a b12 supplement. All this is is saying that a non-health conscious vegan would suffer b12 deficiency, and you quite clearly are talking about comparing standards.

          • 2 months ago
            Veganman

            You dont need supplements for B12. Literally just dont wash your potatoes so much, B12 comes from dirt. Supplemented in cattle too. Plus deficiency is highly overexaggerated, reqson nicokado got off the diet and look at him now

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Just eat contaminated soil bro
              Holy veganchud cope

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Just eat meat pumped full of hormones and force fed with grain bro

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Supplemented in cattle too
              Fake news.
              Cattle are only supplemented with B12 when they have been sick and required antibiotic treatment. The antibiotics nuke their gut bacteria that produce their B12.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Creatine deficiency is not a thing. Your liver makes 1-2g which is enough. What's interesting is vegos actually become more efficient at using less. So a long time vego starts supping it they get more benefits.

      Time to start vegocycling bros

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Longevity hack:
    Eat meat, including organs
    Vitamin D mega dose
    Frequent fasting
    Touch grass

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Touch grass
      she won't let me smash though

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Eat grass

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Veganism has become more popular and the average vegan probably isn’t as healthy as it used to be 10-15 years ago. Back then most vegans were upper mid class and very health conscious people. I’m 100% sure that the average dropped because unlike before there are many fatty vegans that eat like shit.

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Half of the vegans look like cancer or aids patients and the other half looks obese lmfao

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >vegan shills at it again

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I rather die at 25 if that means I get to eat meat, seethe trannies

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're not gonna die at 25 if you eat meat.
      I'm almost 34 and have no health issues and I eat meat regularly.

      Eat everything in moderation, get regular exercise, enjoy life, and with a bit of genetic luck you will die with a triple digit age score.

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wrong
    Veganism is amoral. The fact that you turn it into a moral dilemma makes YOU wrong. Now fuck off your high horse, shill

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >every vet on the planet recommends grain free dog food
    >trust us bro your puppy will be great on this $200 food
    >dogs quickly start getting heart disease across the country
    >woah dogs appear to have evolved around a balanced diet
    >sorry about that heart disease ur puppy got bro lol
    >you should buy the 20$ purina everyone feeds their dogs lol

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >irrelevant nonsense

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        all unbalanced fad diets are nonsense. dogs going grain free and getting JUSTed is just an example that you are supposed to eat what you evolved to eat, period. and leaving out certain food groups for and aspects of nutrition for extended periods of time can have very nasty, unpredictable effects.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          We don't live in a natural environment

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            neither do domesticated dogs.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Okay? Not eating meat naturally wouldn't have been an issue because of the b12 in the soil, its not the same as dogs naturally not eating grains

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao. quasi-shit fake vegan science and a modern invention. no one ever got significant b12 from soil, ever, even at the pinnacle of soil quality, and any evidence to the contrary that you could produce would be lobbied. regardless, no anthropologist can identify strict veganism. veganism is a modern invention made by people with interest, just like vets who were lobbied to shill grain free diets to poor doggies, causing heart disease and other developmental issues. balance is all there is when it comes to nutritional choices, and yes I’m speaking to you too keto tards.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Based

  29. 2 months ago
    Sage

    Total meat intake associated with life expectancy (at a population level and worldwide)
    >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/
    eat shit moron.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every vegan looks like the walking dead

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah? Post body

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Socioeconomic reasons. Vegans are generally wealthier

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Muh meat eaters that only eat meat vs vegans.

    When nothing like that exists in reality, lmao. COPE.

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >vegan schizo replying to it's post over and over again
    Just another day spent damaging your brain by depriving it of animal fats

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they DON'T.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They don’t eat shitty processed food as much.

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