If he gets that defensive he might as well regardless of his look,
achievable natty? Yes
Did he do it natty? Probably not with how it only took 4 months
Nope. 100% roids. This is not even remotely possible in 4 months not even with "le muscle memory". This is unironically fricking insane transformation even if he was on gear. People need to understand how small time frame 4 months is and that you don't just turn into an IFBB pro if you touch roids.
Getting called a roider is LITERALLY the best compliment you can get as a natural. It should be something to be insanely proud of. How defensive he gets is a dead giveaway that he is roiding with knut's help.
>Lighting and pump
It is mostly this and not even new muscle growth, he took the pic with some bright overhead lights after a long workout.
You should see how much your arms blow up after just hanging from a bar for a few minutes, completely achievable.
On pokimanes stream he showed his driving license to her to tell her his height because she thought he was like 5,9 or some shit and it turns out hes 5,5 actually
you know what, if this was a year's progress I wouldn't even question the dude's nattyness. four months seems pretty sus, although it could also be down to lighting and camera angles in both pictures (you can make yourself look really shitty for a "before" picture if you know what you're doing)
going from left to right in 4 months is physiologically impossible without steroids. It's not only a large amount of muscle gain, but it's also a large amount of fat loss.
If you look at FPS russia's steroid gains, this guy pretty much mirrors them.
that amount of progress in that amount of time is roids.
The picture in the middle is believable if he minmaxed everything and since he's a streamer he likely has the time to go to a gym, hire a trainer, hire a dietician, etc.
The pic on the right is obvious roids, that's like near genetic potential which should take about 5-8 years naturally for the average male. You just don't blow up like that while also cutting massive amount of weight which is what he did. The only thing that allows you to gain massive amounts of muscle while also losing massive amounts of fat is gear
>Hey chat >*says some zoomer lingo* >*Gives a half smirt and looks over his shoulder to the other person in the room" >*More zoomer lingo* >Isnt that right chat?
He is perhaps the most boring streamer I've ever encountered.
Honest question, has anyone here actually worked out like a properly for 4 months straight?
My brother took me to the gym 6 days a week, no pauses. Followed nothing outside of Arnold’s encyclopedia. Only took protein and creatine. And I looked like OP’s pic at 17. Exactly 4 months because that’s how long his break between work was.
I don’t get these fricking threads. There’s always an army of people who can’t believe it’s doable. While I fully believe genetics plays a huge role, I don’t know A SINGLE PERSON who doesn’t have an amazing body when they’re working out 6 on/1 rest day + tracking their diet and getting enough sleep. Except for the one fat frick who claims to work out “every day” but in reality, they mindlessly throw around some weights for 30 minutes before going home.
you literally didn't. Mizkif benches over 2pl8 for like 8 reps. It's just literally not possible there is no need to argue this you are just wrong. Case closed.
the average person can gain about 1 oz of muscle per day. This is assuming a caloric surplus and optimal training regimen. You don't gain more muscle by hitting the gym more often, in fact you may gain less muscle because of fatigue.
17 also makes you much more resilient and allows you to work out a lot because you can recover faster.
You were likely also skinnyfat, not fat, which also makes building muscle much easier since all you have to do is eat more. It takes much more willpower and effort to eat less and maintain a caloric deficit while also trying to build muscle if you're fat. If you are skinny you are in a caloric surplus and building muscles.
You have no idea what you're talking about because you don't understand the underlying physiology of what is happening.
So, have either of you homosexuals lifted 6on/1off? And yeah I forgot to mention I was skinny, not fat like OP
again, exercising more does not lead to more gains. Again, if you are starting lifting being fat, you have to lose the fat first before you gain any appreciable muscle. If you start skinny all you have to do is gain muscle.
Saying you work out 6 days a week has no relation to muscle growth. You are proving how little you know by doubling down on this statement
what does supercompensation mean in this context? Is it the body building back more musclefibers than were originally in place? Also, does this mean that working out my glutes with squats while they are still sore(a bit) from my last workout diminish my gains?
fatigue produces damage on the muscle, the body heals that muscle then supercompensates in an attempt to avoid the damage again, this is how the muscle grows. If you work out before this process happens, you will end up not growing any muscle at all. This is also why progressive overload is important because your body adapts to what you previously did and you have to go further to promote growth.
supercompensation in this context means you are growing beyond what you started with.
the average person can gain about 1 oz of muscle per day. This is assuming a caloric surplus and optimal training regimen. You don't gain more muscle by hitting the gym more often, in fact you may gain less muscle because of fatigue.
17 also makes you much more resilient and allows you to work out a lot because you can recover faster.
You were likely also skinnyfat, not fat, which also makes building muscle much easier since all you have to do is eat more. It takes much more willpower and effort to eat less and maintain a caloric deficit while also trying to build muscle if you're fat. If you are skinny you are in a caloric surplus and building muscles.
You have no idea what you're talking about because you don't understand the underlying physiology of what is happening.
Miz did Camp Knut with Norwegian bodybuilder (and steroid user) Knut. Knut was coaching during this content along with his streamer friend wakewilder (pictured below).
I would of believed he was natty if he didn't say he's been depressed for months and only eats chicken,broccoli and rice. What lazy peice of shit picks up lifting, continuously trains hard and follows a diet.
Just look at his traps, frick you can even see the acne on his shoulders. He might just be on sarms as a natty cope but I doubt he'll do a PCT so may as well done proper gear
>Puts on entirely lean mass >can literally see the pin marks on his delts >shoulder acne >spending time with multiple roiders >flipping out instantly over being called a roider
ye I mean hes a streamer who also likely has a super shitty routine involving poor diet and sleep, the only way this could be "legit" is if hes smaller in the last pic then he his in the first but he clearly isnt and has clearly put on 10lbs of lean mass
>nothing but traps and delts grew >delts hardly grow on natties
Yeah I'm gonna say 95% chance of using PEDs, guy is just too stupid and lazy to grow anything except for delts and traps
If he gets that defensive he might as well regardless of his look,
achievable natty? Yes
Did he do it natty? Probably not with how it only took 4 months
Delts are a literal dead giveaway
>delts
>lateral giveaway
such an opportunity wasted
those spinal erectors.. deadlift giveaway
no clue but he's 100% packing some meat
he's lifted before he was a fat frick so he's building quickly again because of muscle memory which nattys have
"Before" is obviously a natty who stopped lifting for a while
miz go to sleep roid boi
Nope. 100% roids. This is not even remotely possible in 4 months not even with "le muscle memory". This is unironically fricking insane transformation even if he was on gear. People need to understand how small time frame 4 months is and that you don't just turn into an IFBB pro if you touch roids.
Getting called a roider is LITERALLY the best compliment you can get as a natural. It should be something to be insanely proud of. How defensive he gets is a dead giveaway that he is roiding with knut's help.
Looks like roids in moderation.
if you get called a roider and sperg out over it... you’re roiding
imagine thinking this transformation achievable within 4 month.
this guy have no idea how hard to get muscle with natty.
>muh genetics
I laughed so hard
>Lighting and pump
It is mostly this and not even new muscle growth, he took the pic with some bright overhead lights after a long workout.
You should see how much your arms blow up after just hanging from a bar for a few minutes, completely achievable.
Dude took some SARMs
canonball delts and traps going from nonexistent to juicy in 4 months?
Nah, he's roiding
The classic roidtroony genetics cope. lol
Exactly this for anyone doubting
>instantly gets super defensive about it
yep hes roidin'
Probably. It looks like a lot of that muscle was already there but just hidden under fat. His comment about pump/ lighting is true as well
This. He could bench 2 pl8s even in the before pic
He is rounding. Traps are a dead giveaway
Height?
On pokimanes stream he showed his driving license to her to tell her his height because she thought he was like 5,9 or some shit and it turns out hes 5,5 actually
you know what, if this was a year's progress I wouldn't even question the dude's nattyness. four months seems pretty sus, although it could also be down to lighting and camera angles in both pictures (you can make yourself look really shitty for a "before" picture if you know what you're doing)
100% roiding.
traps. delts.
mizkif is also a liar so why believe anything he says
It's losing weight, lighting and camera angles.
going from left to right in 4 months is physiologically impossible without steroids. It's not only a large amount of muscle gain, but it's also a large amount of fat loss.
If you look at FPS russia's steroid gains, this guy pretty much mirrors them.
you think that moron is capable of doing that? he has zero discipline.
he is roiding.
so why dont you look like that even after 3-5 years of lifting?
that amount of progress in that amount of time is roids.
The picture in the middle is believable if he minmaxed everything and since he's a streamer he likely has the time to go to a gym, hire a trainer, hire a dietician, etc.
The pic on the right is obvious roids, that's like near genetic potential which should take about 5-8 years naturally for the average male. You just don't blow up like that while also cutting massive amount of weight which is what he did. The only thing that allows you to gain massive amounts of muscle while also losing massive amounts of fat is gear
This guy is a rat and always takes the easy way out so it's in his character to roid.
>Hey chat
>*says some zoomer lingo*
>*Gives a half smirt and looks over his shoulder to the other person in the room"
>*More zoomer lingo*
>Isnt that right chat?
He is perhaps the most boring streamer I've ever encountered.
If he didn’t mention genetics I would have believed him, he’s on test for sure
Honest question, has anyone here actually worked out like a properly for 4 months straight?
My brother took me to the gym 6 days a week, no pauses. Followed nothing outside of Arnold’s encyclopedia. Only took protein and creatine. And I looked like OP’s pic at 17. Exactly 4 months because that’s how long his break between work was.
I don’t get these fricking threads. There’s always an army of people who can’t believe it’s doable. While I fully believe genetics plays a huge role, I don’t know A SINGLE PERSON who doesn’t have an amazing body when they’re working out 6 on/1 rest day + tracking their diet and getting enough sleep. Except for the one fat frick who claims to work out “every day” but in reality, they mindlessly throw around some weights for 30 minutes before going home.
>like a properly
Whoops, just meant to type properly
you literally didn't. Mizkif benches over 2pl8 for like 8 reps. It's just literally not possible there is no need to argue this you are just wrong. Case closed.
So, have either of you homosexuals lifted 6on/1off? And yeah I forgot to mention I was skinny, not fat like OP
again, exercising more does not lead to more gains. Again, if you are starting lifting being fat, you have to lose the fat first before you gain any appreciable muscle. If you start skinny all you have to do is gain muscle.
Saying you work out 6 days a week has no relation to muscle growth. You are proving how little you know by doubling down on this statement
what does supercompensation mean in this context? Is it the body building back more musclefibers than were originally in place? Also, does this mean that working out my glutes with squats while they are still sore(a bit) from my last workout diminish my gains?
fatigue produces damage on the muscle, the body heals that muscle then supercompensates in an attempt to avoid the damage again, this is how the muscle grows. If you work out before this process happens, you will end up not growing any muscle at all. This is also why progressive overload is important because your body adapts to what you previously did and you have to go further to promote growth.
supercompensation in this context means you are growing beyond what you started with.
Thanks king 🙂
Show progress pic or you are full of shit. You can cover your face.
the average person can gain about 1 oz of muscle per day. This is assuming a caloric surplus and optimal training regimen. You don't gain more muscle by hitting the gym more often, in fact you may gain less muscle because of fatigue.
17 also makes you much more resilient and allows you to work out a lot because you can recover faster.
You were likely also skinnyfat, not fat, which also makes building muscle much easier since all you have to do is eat more. It takes much more willpower and effort to eat less and maintain a caloric deficit while also trying to build muscle if you're fat. If you are skinny you are in a caloric surplus and building muscles.
You have no idea what you're talking about because you don't understand the underlying physiology of what is happening.
>lean
>big
>natty
Pick two. He's pretty big for that time frame but not lean at all, probably 18-20% bf. Natty achievable.
ACHIEVABLE NATTY:
>YOUR MOM IS A prostitute
>BIG ASS
>BIG breasts
>COMPLETELY BLOWN OUT butthole AND vegana
>HALLWAY GRIP
>CONSTANT ANAL MASTURBATION
The middle is but the photo on the right is Rich Piana (RIP GOD DAMN IT, RIGHT BABE?!) tier natty
Yes?
My delts look bigger than that if I stretch them back like in right pose. Nobody fricking lifts here.
The frauding pump gives you is insane, all of you would know this if you actually lifted.
I never got a good pump in 18 years of lifting 🙁 I'm a smoker with shitty cardio though.
Miz did Camp Knut with Norwegian bodybuilder (and steroid user) Knut. Knut was coaching during this content along with his streamer friend wakewilder (pictured below).
Miz and wakewilder are both notably on gear now.
> upward angle
> down lighting
> pump
> contrast manipulation
> sharpening
> tonemapping
his chest completely changes shape in the right pic, he's not angle and lighting frauding, it's literal steroid frauding.
I would of believed he was natty if he didn't say he's been depressed for months and only eats chicken,broccoli and rice. What lazy peice of shit picks up lifting, continuously trains hard and follows a diet.
picrel
but even so those delts are looking a little juicy. Skin looks dry too
I thought this guy was a midget, is he really 179 or is he lying again? Wasn't the bird girl a midget, he didn't seem much taller.
he's like 5'7 for real
I suspect he's shorter than his "official" height but idk as I don't watch him
179cm is 5’10.5. What sort of moron math is that website using?
For a normal guy yes easily but for lazy streamer scum no, def steroids
Just look at his traps, frick you can even see the acne on his shoulders. He might just be on sarms as a natty cope but I doubt he'll do a PCT so may as well done proper gear
>Puts on entirely lean mass
>can literally see the pin marks on his delts
>shoulder acne
>spending time with multiple roiders
>flipping out instantly over being called a roider
ye I mean hes a streamer who also likely has a super shitty routine involving poor diet and sleep, the only way this could be "legit" is if hes smaller in the last pic then he his in the first but he clearly isnt and has clearly put on 10lbs of lean mass
>nothing but traps and delts grew
>delts hardly grow on natties
Yeah I'm gonna say 95% chance of using PEDs, guy is just too stupid and lazy to grow anything except for delts and traps
The guy is a typical adhd zoomer. There is no way he could go through with a proper training schedule, diet, sleep schedule etc.