WE GOT ANOTHER ONE CARNIBROS!!!!!

Plant based and vegan isn't the same thing you moron.
Plant based = whole food plants (whole foods = non processed)
Vegan = no animal products

No it isn't, go look at Wikipedia or go to plantbaseddiet on Reddit to see the largest community and you will see it's not about veganism.
You're a fricking moronic moron who is confident about things you don't know shit about, probably refers to most areas in your life you low IQ homosexual

Tell me about all the carbs in my, coconut milk, nuts and oliveoil homosexual. Plants don't contain a lot of carbs nor do carbs in plants cause problems because fiber slows down the uptake of carbs hence lower insulin responses and hence carbs aren't a problem in plant based diets. It's evident you don't understand biology

You're the lying AND moronic homosexual who cannot even look up a word and still claim you know what it's about but I'll do it for you.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant-based_diet
>A plant-based diet is a diet consisting mostly or entirely of plant-based foods.[1][2] Plant-based diets encompass a wide range of dietary patterns that contain low amounts of animal products and high amounts of fiber-rich[3] plant products such as vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds.[4][5] They do not need to be vegan or vegetarian[6][7] but are defined in terms of low frequency of animal food consumption.[8][9]

You must be brain damaged, vegans don't eat any animal products, plant based dieters can do that, it's not the same at all.
Vegan is a moral standpoint, plant based is a diet for health

We know what the wiki says, you're still a vegan moron

Black person, flour and beer is processed, there is nothing wrong with eating flour or beer if you’re White.

That’s most likely cause by vaccines, unironically

Chuando isn't plant based, moron. He eats eggs and lean animal protein daily. His cheat meal is ice cream.

Where are all the examples of absolutely sickly states of malnutrition?
Actually, I'll just repost the epitome of malnutrition videos by Sv3rige.

https://rumble.com/v1mvjwe-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment.html
https://rumble.com/v1pggp9-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-2.html
https://rumble.com/v1n86mo-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-3.html
https://rumble.com/v1n8tcq-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-4.html
https://rumble.com/v1salfu-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-5.html
https://rumble.com/v1meeus-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-6.html
https://rumble.com/v1lz976-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-7.html
https://rumble.com/v1lec03-vegans-the-epitome-of-malnourishment-8.html

This is what real vegans look like.

Nice cherry picking, she looks old af, idk if that pic is photoshopped but other videos and pics of her makes her look her age lmao

She was carnivore for 65 years, she's over 80.

>She was carnivore for 65 years, she's over 80.
She wasn't. She was "meat based"

a rancher..working outside. Yeah, that'll age ya bro

Show us a picture of a better looking 82 year old. Can be vegan or standard American diet. We’ll wait

How did they look at 82? Please show us a vegan who looks like her at 82

>oh no he wasn't super pretty!!!
Do you have an actual argument or what? Maybe we should disregard your opinion because you aren't the most handsome person we've ever seen. Please post fave so we can know how seriously to take your non-argument

and they looked like shit and had a lot of health issues, i saw those videos on youtube too you abobawde cretin frick

lmao you dont even know what straman means
its like when morons call everything a cope
come on smartypants, show me where I did le heckin strawman
you absolute moron

>cant tell me where i did le hecking strawman
thought so

>next up, ad hom
Why are diet absolutionists like this?

>cant tell me where i did le hecking strawman
thought so

lmao you dont even know what straman means
its like when morons call everything a cope
come on smartypants, show me where I did le heckin strawman
you absolute moron

and they looked like shit and had a lot of health issues, i saw those videos on youtube too you abobawde cretin frick

Just goes to show you that unhappy people cling to fads to try to define themselves. Normal people who sit down to a a nice balanced meal dont have these arguments. Happy people dont curse out randos on the net. Hope things get better guys.

It's often people who have health conditions. Even if the diet is more healthy, the condition might kill them in the end.

>rumble

I'll take your word for it I'm not watching diet propaganda

You okay pal

>Mackenzie Merriott
seems like shes not carnivore anymore

I just checked her recent tiktoks and shes eating bread so idk

>Their hormonal profiles normally do not allow it to advance to the point that it's noticeable.
they do moron, they just have a million hairstyles where they either hide it or you'd be focusing more on the hairstyle rather than searching for their hairline

>proving my point further
>new ip
uh huh
so these homosexuals making these "memes" and posting these shitty threads are from a discord
now i see

too many new ips pop up and post the same shitty edits, so I'd assume its at least 4-5 morons from a discord planning these little raids

I'm 99% certain it is just moxyte. Nothing has ever indicated there's anyone else doing this.

He will post in his own threads with different IPs. Sometimes he is the first 3 posts and they all have different IPs. He's just that mentally ill and obnoxious.

I'm 99% certain it is just moxyte. Nothing has ever indicated there's anyone else doing this.

He will post in his own threads with different IPs. Sometimes he is the first 3 posts and they all have different IPs. He's just that mentally ill and obnoxious.

Or just one autist with multiple devices. He looks obsessed enough to be willing to use multiple devices to flood a thread.

too many new ips pop up and post the same shitty edits, so I'd assume its at least 4-5 morons from a discord planning these little raids

>are from a discord
It's literally just moxyte. He doesn't have a team of people he does this all himself. He has been doing it for years now.

>proving my point further
>new ip
uh huh
so these homosexuals making these "memes" and posting these shitty threads are from a discord
now i see

Lmao @ the keto IQ

That pic is so rael. Who would have thought a balanced and healthy diet consists of both meat AND vegetables...?

Whatever works for you. I think people could do with a bit more animal protein in their life and skip the seed oils. The people shoving sticks of butter down their throat are legitimately moronic though

A diet of nothing but fatty red meat and fresh water is perfectly balanced.

Didn't know about this Icelander. Being one myself I'll have to look him up sometime. That being said he's still mostly wrong but I believe him when he says he felt healthy on a (mostly) all fish diet. His advice is far from universal though. With agriculture people's digestive systems have evolved. I don't think 9000+ years of eating different food has had no impact on a race's digestive system. Problem is that Icelanders and Eskimos have lived without agriculture for most of their history. I don't think a healthy diet for a Chinese person would be healthy for an Icelander, and vice versa, because of the different way they are evolved to absorb nutrients. Some people have a very limited history of agriculture and others have lived with it for millennia. Your ancestors ate both vegetables and meat, and you're evolved to do the same. With the abundance of all food sorts it is up to you to find a balance that emulates what you're evolved to eat regularly.

>equates the historical diets of mongolians to that of the chinese
Please tell me you're joking

A diet of nothing but fatty red meat and fresh water is perfectly balanced.

The reason for the body composition difference in the mice study is that one group was eating powdered carbs, which raise insulin.

You ignored the hormonal difference.

He's denying the role of hormones in obesity.

Calorietards are the nutrition version of flat-earthers.

>hormones only matter when you inject them
Why was one group of mice obese and the other group of mice lean?

His claim is that it was due to calories when the actual correct answer is insulin.

>chewing burns so many calories it can make an obese animal lean
What you're claiming is totally insane. Chewing doesn't burn that many calories. In fact even going on a hamster wheel doesn't burn much additional calories. Pic related.

The difference in body composition was because powdered carbs spike insulin more than unpowdered carbs. Insulin is obesogenic.

Again, even running on a treadmill doesn't burn additional calories. Stomach muscle usage cannot be the explanation for the difference in body composition, because muscle usage doesn't increase daily energy expenditure.

Why are you denying the role of hormones? There's no need to make up an insane biology-denying fantasy. We already know for sure what caused the body composition difference: INSULIN.

Proof was provided in pic related here:

https://i.imgur.com/fjlZkGq.png

>chewing burns so many calories it can make an obese animal lean
What you're claiming is totally insane. Chewing doesn't burn that many calories. In fact even going on a hamster wheel doesn't burn much additional calories. Pic related.

The difference in body composition was because powdered carbs spike insulin more than unpowdered carbs. Insulin is obesogenic.

Additive DEE is a childish fantasy. Constrained DEE is reality.

It's not speculative. There's two studies. Look at the bottom two charts and the highlighted text.

>Left: Women from Westerterp's half-marathon study. Right: Mice kept sedentary (days 1-7), then allowed access to a wheel (days 7-28).

Sorry calorietard, you worship a false ideology.

>Their methods for estimating total energy expenditure were extremely crude.
That is a rather histrionic leftist way of speaking.

The Westerterp half-marathon study used doubly-labeled water to measure energy expenditure, which is the gold-standard.

And you didn't even bother to give an excuse for ignoring the mouse study which showed the same thing.

No, you're denying that they are getting more calories due to the easier uptake.
Think of it like this, you have a car that's running and using fuel, your fuel tank is at 50/100
You have an additional 50 liquid fuel (the powdered carbs)
And you have 50 additional frozen fuel (regular carbs)

The liquid fuel will instantly add to your fuel tank and fill it up.
But the frozen fuel needs to be heated up before it can be used and will use fuel from your fuel tank to heat it, your car will also be running in the mean time and use fuel from its tank. Hence when you have heated the frozen fuel your tank is now at 30/100 instead

So liquid fuel (powdered carbs) puts your tank at 100
Frozen fuel (regular carbs) at 80
Do you understand now?

Insulin was higher in the powder group because more calories of sugar entered their bloodstream in a shorter period of time.

In this context, we're comparing THE SAME macronutrients in powder or pellet form. The only variable is how quickly the amount of energy in the food (gosh if only we had a standard unit to measure food energy with) hits the bloodstream.

If the energy from your food hits your bloodstream all at once, you're going to have a sharp insulin response, compared to the SAME energy hitting your bloodstream more gradually.

Drink a can of soda in 30 seconds.
Sip a can of soda over 2 hours.
Which one will raise insulin more? This is the exact same situation as your powdered vs pellet experiment. Same energy, same calories, it's simply about how many UNITS OF ENERGY enter the bloodstream in a given frame of time.

The pellet food and powdered food weren't only carbs. It was the whole diet. Carbs, fat and protein.
Being powdered meant all the fat, carbs and protein were rapidly dissolved into the digestive juices of the rodents' guts. Less energy (almost none) was spent in digestion compared to pellets.
Look up the thermic effect of food - in regular, whole foods, up to 30% of the energy value of the food is spent in digestion and absorption.

>A study in humans controlled for speed of ingestion
Did your rat study "control for the speed of ingestion"? Your studies aren't proving the things you think they prove.
>The hormonal response is a result of food structure. Not 'calories'
The hormonal response is a function of how rapidly food enters the bloodstream.

>Slow ingestion of liquid carbs didn't alter the hormonal response compared to quick ingestion
There's no indication that ingestion speed was varied in your shitty YouTube video study. The legend only explains the different physical structures of the solid vs various liquid forms, it doesnt specify the timeframe that the food was consumed in.

Black person I'm drunk and high idgaf. I'm not the one claiming that muscles don't use energy. You are literally insane.

Your own study shows ingestion time DOES matter. Lower blood glucose on this chart indicates a higher insulin response, and the fast puree led to lower blood glucose after 90m than slow puree.

>carnivores absolutely understand this
Which is why they're malding (further) in this thread and shit up every thread about food and nutrition with their cult?

>that is not what vegans do and you know it.
True. Veganism is moronic too.

>carnis also don't constantly lie
Carnitards constantly lie and decieve. See sv3rige, Dr Shawn Baker and Liver King.

lol
you couldn't make it more clear that you're a vegan

>"Veganism is moronic"
Peak carnitard reading comprehension

lol
you couldn't make it more clear that you're a vegan

>t. brainlet who doesn't understand scientific papers
Even all the current vitamin studies only SUGGESTS. Do you know why? The body is infinitely complex, and to prove something in the body would require more understanding than we currently have of it.
It's not as easy as dropping a stone and saying
>yep, hits the ground
because even if Fisetin causes all these good things to happen we don't know HOW or WHY it happens hence we can only
>suggest
even if we KNOW it happens. The outcome is confirmed, the why and how isn't hence it will be suggests until that is known.
It's so sad how you talk about diet and health when you know absolutely nothing

>The body is infinitely complex, and to prove something in the body would require more understanding than we currently have of it.
exactly why I will go by results. Ive tested many things, including changing my diet. none of that worked. I've had multiple decades to figure things out for myself and I've found something that actually works. and so called "anecdotes" also suggest the very same thing for a lot of people trying out carnivore. you suggest there's some benefit and claim I'll be getting "age related problems". looking at the population a huge proportion of 50+ year olds fit that description. where exactly is the proof of a balanced diet leading to good health outcomes? just by fixing my blood pressure and T2D according to "science" will bump up my life expectancy by 6 years. its a fricking joke, but I can play that game as well.

>This is an anecdote. It's a lower form of proof than the visual evidence I posted. Since you want to be a smart-ass about quantifiable evidence: let's see you post your
you've posted pictures of people claiming they have elevated bloodpressure. its far lower than anecdotal evidence. its no evidence at all.

>You do realize that it could be because you cut something out that your body didnt handle well or that you got some large imbalance due to your prior diet, maybe you got too much vitmian X and now you get less of it, but it could have been counteracted by more of vitamin Y.
yes, it was vitamin X. lets see, what has improved for me:
normalized blood pressure
normalized blood surgar. I was diagnosed with T2D.
was overweight. fixed that no calorie counting or any other nonsense.
20+ years of seborrheic eczema, for which I had to use ketoconazole containing shampoo untill that stopped working. head and shoulders did but even then I had to wash myself with it every other day or be covered in skin flakes.
receeding gum/gum bleeding/aching gums.
aching joints.
I am not going to bother listing minor improvements. overall, what Ive listed is regularily experienced by other people trying carnivore. so unless you can point out the vitamin X that caused all of my previous problems, ill stay away from plants. so far Ive been doing great.